Cowboy Bebop Remix [Endgame]

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Vote: Toast

Fate

, could we have a VC?

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Unvote, vote: Seraphim

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Explain your reasons behind your votes on Toasty and Seraphim.

Bandwagonning ho!

P.S. Claims of my Jackishness have been greatly exaggerated.

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Try

I operate on gut reads and change my mind a lot?

Logic is what I like to operate on.

You make me laugh.

Try actually reading things, Seraphim.

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CES, you might have to point out what I missed to me, because GreyICE says I'm stupid.

Hint: the meaning of one of the quotes you posted is heavily dependent on context.

Unvote, vote: Ladyµß

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CES: Oh. That. It was just a joke....the main thrust of my case was in my initial voting post.

You do realize jokes should be funny, right?

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Start reading the game then.

Also, you seem to assume that I'm an idiot. Please don't make that assumption again.

Nice AtE.

That's not an AtE at all.

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I get the feeling everyone in this game is American

OR

Canadian but me.

Edited a terrible, horrible fusion of two seperate races of people. -Fate

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I will not be denied.

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It's funny, how determined you are to exercise your freedom that WE INVENTED.
UNGRATEFUL DUTCH.

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Yeah, it doesn't really make sense as a nickname otherwise.

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Unvote, vote: GreyICE

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This vote was made on page three, when people were climbing out of the RVS stage.

zzzzz
No one cares.

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Why isn't GreyICE dead yet?

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It's "would you kindly", trigger words are exact like that.

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What I do know is that despite being called on it, he is STILL doing nothing to help the town.

A vote for GreyICE is a vote for progress!

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CES's avatar is incorrect.

The fish provides irony.

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snark because ~*~obviously~*~ scum don't react anything less than seriously

Whoever elevated snark to a scum tell should be burnt at the stake.

I will not be reading Lady µß's posts from now on.

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Unvote, vote: Jahudo

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I tend to play a more conventional game as scum, GreyICE. No need to worry.

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You guys are bad at not claiming.

Can we lynch Jahudoscum now?

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I'm waiting Nacho. Blind me with glory

That smiley is a scum tell.

P.S. LLD is really bad at this game.

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Hmm...interesting thought. You haven't said, like, anything about me CES. At all. What gives? You haven't snarked me at all ...I feel left out.

Try being not boring.

P.S. Lady µß is bad at snark.

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Seraphlynch is dumb.

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Hypothesis: if ToastyToast and Lady µß agree on anything non-trivial, they're wrong.

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Vote: Jahudo

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I have the same as Rhinox.

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Unvote, vote: GreyICE

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It's almost as if Lady µß is utterly clueless.

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Unvote, vote: Jahudo

I'm inclined to think that UK's bounty reward [Protector] may've been a role-specific protect or bodyguard.

Ok, I'm at the end of my fucking patience with you.

Start posting real fucking content or replace out of the game, you useless sack of shit.

All you ever do is place your vote on the newest wagon around, and then insult others for not being as good as you.

Stop being a condescending little prick, and play the fucking game.

/end rant

You're just annoyed that I'm calling out your play as, let's say, facepalm-inducing. Let's not pretend this is about anything else.

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Because it would give her 100% certainty that that role was in the game while giving her plenty of incentive to not reveal how she knew (since it tied into her role of bodyguard.)

Oh, you think? When did you figure that out? When you actually read the UK flip?

Your #970 made me re-evaluate the evidence.

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Vote: Jahudo

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I don't even begin to care.

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Just read Jahudo's iso. That should tell you plenty.

@GreyICE, not really.

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We have not.

@GreyICE, I neither believe that Seraphim would've shot Jahudo if he could nor that the vengeful part of his claim was that plausible. If Seraphim was vengeful, the Seraphimlynch was going to result in a RDCdeath anyway whether that would be Vi or Jahudo.

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Not obvtown, but obvscum Jahudo, Reck. Scummy claim, scummy behaviour.

This is probably something he does often enough to become his meta though

This is not pro-town curiosity. It's not a lot of effort to look at another game I played and glance at my ISO.

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Reck's idea is that attacking townies is a scum tell, Toasty. Which is true. GreyICE being legitimately scummy looking does help negate that.

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Vi was a likely enough investigation that not claiming miller would've been a definite misplay for hypothetical Vimillertown. Even disregarding that, miller breadcrumbs wouldn't prevent me from voting a guilty.

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That is a very small part of the conversation. What about the when Seraphim claimed lyncher and argued that Vi softclaimed his role? What about when Grey revealed he was a hider? People were calling Vi scum and you said nothing, not town or scum. Did you have a null read on Vi after all that?

That was a response to Rhinox, not to you. I didn't have a null read, no; I just thought you were the better lynch.

You assume I didn't look into your past games? I did and I saw one where you were town and played just like you are playing now, but I haven't looked into all of them so I said its probably something you do enough to become your meta and you could easily be this way as either alignment.

Which one?

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How many pages of my ISO did you look at? (Yes, that one was called Oldy Mafia. Pretty sweet victory.)

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His case was also way better than yours, just fyi.

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When did I ever call for a Jahudo lynch day 2? Pretty sure my goal was to ride Vi to the noose.

Who's saying you did?

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Jahudo, answer my question.

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Yes. I'm trying to determine how likely it is that you didn't notice the obvious differences (there are also obvious similarities, but that's besides the point) between my early play here and my normal play while doing the research.

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Don't mock the fish.

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The Seraphimlynch was most definitely a mislynch - lynching neutrals doesn't help the town and in this case Seraphim's win condition actually matched the town one rather well.

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I blame Fate for not giving me a daykill.

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Daykills are too valuable a commodity to waste on little old me (and at least one person (Nacho) was able to correctly peg me as town).

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Reck's your partner, aye?

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CONFESS!

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I'm Katrina. I have no normal power, but my bounty reward is a vote motivator. I give someone a nice injection of red-eye and they get enough power for 2 votes.

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He can totally be the pope as far as I'm concerned. Who listens to the pope anyway?

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Last minute Jahudowagon is go!

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- I was scummy for using a smiley emoticon (not sure if serious)

Entirely serious.

- The ISO tells you plenty (so basically you say nothing and hope someone else makes a case on the ISO)

Nice failure to check context (as if you're more interested in making a point against me than finding out my alignment). I told Reck to iso Jahudo since he didn't want to read the entire game.

- Saying I wasn't pro-town curious because I didn't look up his meta (CES made that assumption without knowing if I looked up his meta or not, who is lacking curiosity really?)

I'm not convinced now that you did look up my meta let alone that you did it properly; I've clearly opted for a specific playstyle this game (which you'd know if you had meta'd him semi-decently) and you didn't comment on that at all in your case.

That is it. He's voted me four different times and tried to motivate a wagon several times more without backing up his vote. I'm guessing he feels something about the counter-claim timing and style but he never even mentioned it which is the main reason why he is actually scum and not me. He waited it out and distanced himself from the whole event.

Dude, you radiate scumminess. The miller claim was just the icing on the cake.

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Entirely serious.

I've never heard of this tell so I'm calling BS until you explain it.

It's unnatural. You weren't looking forward to Nacho's greatness and you overcompensated. Self-conscious scum are more likely to use a smiley here too since in principle it conveys less information.

Nice failure to check context (as if you're more interested in making a point against me than finding out my alignment). I told Reck to iso Jahudo since he didn't want to read the entire game.

You reinforced me point there. You hadn't given a reason for voting me before that, and you ask someone else to read my ISO and in order to justify a vote on me. Something you haven't done.

It's clear I was telling people/someone to read your ISO; what I just pointed out, doesn't reinforce your point at all. It purely weakens it since I only told one person to read your ISO as opposed to everyone; that decreases the postulated scum benefit by a factor of 7 or so. Detracting from the point even more is that it makes perfect sense for me to point to your ISO there for Reck to read.

I'm not convinced now that you did look up my meta let alone that you did it properly; I've clearly opted for a specific playstyle this game (which you'd know if you had meta'd him semi-decently) and you didn't comment on that at all in your case.

Did I use meta to form an alignment read on you? No. I only wanted to check on a little bit of your history in order to see what someone else was saying about your personality. I never tried to use it for or against you personally. So what is scummy about that?

It's too prominent to ignore in any certain analysis if you're aware of it. I can totally imagine you reading Oldy to quickly confirm your preconception that I'm probably playing the same way and concluding that my play is similar; guess who's more likely to hold that preconception (hint: it's scum.)

Dude, you radiate scumminess. The miller claim was just the icing on the cake.

Inflated confidence + no reasoning = scum grasping for straws. My miller claim is starting to look like a scapegoat for you if I do get killed before you. If you focus on that you could go back and say "Well it would have been a good move if he was scum counter-claiming scum". Sure I guess, but what makes it more likely than an actual miller being in this game? You haven't been able to answer that, so I doubt you are thinking it either.

You can't scapegoat icing, just fyi. If I'm wrong about you, I look bad. Period.

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EBWOP: serious analysis, not certain.

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You weren't looking forward to Nacho's greatness and you overcompensated. Self-conscious scum are more likely to use a smiley here too since in principle it conveys less information.

This again? What reason did I have to be worried about Nacho's case? This isn't my first game, its not like I haven't been put under the spotlight before.

And what do you mean by conveying less information? I could have just ignored Nacho if I wanted to. That would have been even less information.

I doubt you were happy with your play thus far. "I could've ignored him." would be a more plausible excuse if this wasn't one the only comment you made on the matter.

It's clear I was telling people/someone to read your ISO; what I just pointed out, doesn't reinforce your point at all. It purely weakens it since I only told one person to read your ISO as opposed to everyone; that decreases the postulated scum benefit by a factor of 7 or so. Detracting from the point even more is that it makes perfect sense for me to point to your ISO there for Reck to read.

You are deflecting. The fact still remains that you had not justified your vote on me even after three re-votes. There was no reasoning to backup and no excuse for your overconfident behavior that suggested anyone not on my wagon was blind. That is exactly the same as leading someone.

No, you're deflecting. We're arguing about a specific thing I said. You can't rhetoric your way out of not conceding this point, kid.

It's too prominent to ignore in any certain analysis if you're aware of it. I can totally imagine you reading Oldy to quickly confirm your preconception that I'm probably playing the same way and concluding that my play is similar; guess who's more likely to hold that preconception (hint: it's scum.)

In hindsight I was being lazy town. If you'd prefer I will agree with you that you are not playing to your town meta. Hmm, who doesn't play to their town meta. (hint: its scum)

I find it revealing that you specify town here (i.e. as if you were thinking "Well, I could've made that mistake as lazy town too.") "Who intentionally doesn't play to their town meta despite being capable of doing so?" is a far more relevant and interesting question.

@AGM, Jahudo is town, because even when pushed to do so, he'd never participate in something as awesome as a miller counterclaim strategy? Lamest argument yet. Read the dude's posts - he's as scummy as they come.

Day 1:
Vi: "I suspect x!"
CES: "Vote X"

Vi: "I suspect y!"
CES: "Vote: y!"

Vi: "CES, I see what you're doing. Vote Z"
CES: "Vote Z"

Vi: "CES is obvtown."
Town: "WUT"

It's almost as if Vi supported all the major wagons. P.S. Vi never called me town.

CES: "Vote: Jahudo because he counterclaimed obvtown Vi."
Vi: "Right on my obvtown buddy!"
CES: *GRIN*

Yeah, no.

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Just read the latest exchange between Jahudo and me - Jahudo's trying to score points, not argue honestly.

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You sure do like to deflect, aye?

If anything I was hoping to have more suspicion on me. I try to catch scum while looking like a bad NK target, which makes me live until endgame where I catch more scum. I play that way every single game. Nacho saying he had a case on me was good in my mind. I felt confident I could answer for myself and avoid getting mislynched, like usual.

Can you give me a reference for that?

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EBWOP: Hadn't noticed the new page. The deflection comment is about Jahudo's post.

Antitown's point is obviously that Jahudo, Toasty and me being town would imply AGM-Kdub as most likely scum as opposed to LLD and Antitown.

P.S. The Seraphlynch was dumb.

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Jahudo was just not going to happen though, and... why the fuck did you have such a strong town read on Vi anyway?

I didn't?

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My first vote was wholly bandwagonny in nature; got nothing to say about the second vote; I didn't join the second Seraphimwagon; I voted for Jahudo in my first post of Day 2 and that was a continuation from Day 1.

I wasn't following Vi.

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CES:
OPINION ON TOASTY NAO PLZ.

Null read. I can't shake the feeling that he's just a newbie playing badly.

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I'll hammer Toast if it comes down to it. No no-lynch on my watch.

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We don't have enough votes in play to lynch Jahudo as is, sadly.

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Let's keep on topic here.

Jahudo is the right lynch.

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I'm voting toasty or ces. You guys decide.

Vote Jahudo.

The town demands it.

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The lyncher who could have won the game on day 1?

Game-ending lynchers don't come up in Minis.

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Waiting for Rhinox.

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Deadlines: do you get them?

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Mass claim?

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This isn't the least bit convincing.

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He's not confirmed town.

Seriously though, mass claim?

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He's not confirmed town.

Seriously though, mass claim?

Do you think we still have a mislynch? 2 scum left?

If so, should we wait until if/when we hit lylo for a massclaim?

I'd rather mass claim the day before so that we get at least one Night to disprove their claims.

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Claim

: Whitney Hagus Matsumoto, Townie [One-shot Neighborizer]

My bounty reward lets me form a neighborhood with Faye Valentine under our character names.

Popcorn to KDub

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@Toasty, what LLD said. I wouldn't even find out which player Faye was.

@Rhinox, the amount of town power seems rather low to the point that AGM makes more sense as a town RB than as a scum RB. Ugh, I need some time to think.

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Scum RB. That's a good point.

PEdit: Yes. We'd be posting under Whitney and Faye.

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It requires activation, but I can do that at any time; no provisions for dead Faye are made; yes, in a qt.

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It requires activation, but I can do that at any time; no provisions for dead Faye are made; yes, in a qt.

So Fate made a mechanic where you have to log in and out of Quicktopic to post or risk modkill, requires 0.5 seconds to break the anonymity (just agree to post a specific phrase at start of day) and is more or less functionally identical to:

Claim: Catelyn Stark - Mason Recruiter. Each night, I can target one player to find out if they are Brienne of Tarth. I can't tell the difference between a non-Brienne target and a roleblock. If the person I target is Brienne, she and I become mason buddies and become town-confirmed to each other. I have failed to find Brienne of Tarth thus far. My targets:
N1 - Percy
N2 - xvart
N3 - hascow
N4 - Mikujin

YOU LOSE

Vote: CES

Functionally identical in the sense that it's nothing a like apart from the basic possibility of forming a mason/neighbor group?

I believe the Faye/player divide is in place more than anything so that someone could be posing as Faye. If you assume a real Faye would be town, then this is the only way a neighborhood would work. If the players are posting themselves, I'd be hard-pressed to think of them as not-Faye.

Yes, it's clunky as hell. I have to go now, but don't fucking lynch me over this - I have zero motive to claim like this as scum.

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It does explicitly say Faye, but with this bounty system in place, something's gotta give.

As far as I see it, there are 2 possibilities:
1) Vicious is scum with 2 unlikelies, e.g. Vicious, Faye Valentine, Victoria Terpsichore. A bit weird that Vicious would be an exception, but possible. In this case we'd get a bunch of guaranteed non-Viciouses theoretically, but we wouldn't have the knowledge to take advantage of it, so this could work.
2) Full fake claim transparency, i.e. Fate treats each scum role as its fake claim for all purposes. A bit clunky, but it works.

Either way, the naive approach fails.

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Better fake claims I could've come up with 0 minutes of research:
1-shot Gender Cop (rawr seduction)
1-shot Roleblock (rawr seduction)
Role thief (rawr con man)

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Alisa-Townie [One-shot Hider]

Question: did your role PM use this format? Because I'm having trouble imagining how you'd mistake that for one-shot hider.

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That's not actually why I asked that question. I asked because you explicitly told us your role PM used a different format.

I have specific information for:

flavorname, role name [bounty reward]

all in one line.

Cool. I don't. I have flavor name, [bounty reward]

Unvote, vote: GreyICE

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I ignored that yesterday since it was stupid (why would Toastscum try to push a mislynch on Rhinoxtown with an argument he would know wouldn't hold up?) and frankly, I don't really care about the details. The point is that you lied about the format of your role PM with no discernible town motive at some point. Thus, you're scum.

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Very discernable motive, CES. Wanted to see who would pick up on it, who would let it linger, who would walk into a trap.

That's a horrible reason. You do not lie about the formatting of your role PM just because someone might respond to it at some point, especially if the town has a good reason to distrust you because you just claimed townie [one-shot hider] instead of one-shot cop.

You get run to L-1, and SUDDENLY remember something that I told you yesterday and was null when you were pushing Jahudo.

I don't think it's clear at all from yesterday's posts that you were retconning your claim. And I didn't "SUDDENLY remember" anything. I've been thinking about my role and the bounty system and I realised that if my role PM hadn't explicitly stated neighborhood, I might've felt the same way about Faye Valentine as UK did about your role. I always felt the D2 role thing was weird, but the UK evidence trumped it. So I looked back through your posting when I realised the UK evidence wasn't nearly as much of a slamdunk as I originally thought it was.

and you completely ignored this discussion when Rhinox brought it up earlier.

I actually voted for GreyICE at some point due to that discussion.

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I maintain Toasty-scum would have HAPPILY sheeped my claim over yours at L-1. It's just such a scum way to alley suspicion/push a mislynch. "I match your PM too, aren't we good friends? Lets go get that Rhino who tried to lynch you all yesterday!"

It seems extremely likely to me that each role PM has Name - Role name [bounty power], so pushing the mislynch doesn't work because people can back up Rhinox. I wouldn't even expect that type of subterfuge from Toastyscum anyway even if it were useful.

PEdit: Town has a good reason to suspect someone who claims a 1-shot hider as a 1-shot cop? What would that be, pray tell? And do explain how my actions were in ANY way anti-town.

That wouldn't be that bad - it's more the fact that you went from having a role to only having a bounty power. You yourself admitted you fucked it up. If you lie to the town, you should have a good reason for it. The lying itself wasn't anti-town; it was just a badly thought-out excuse.

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The lie was the bit about not having a role name. Was the "anti-town" comment not about that?

I don't think what you did would've been a bad play for scum if you hadn't claimed not to have a role name. Not having to claim an innocent on Toasty (who was the obvious investigation target) could easily result in an extra mislynch (assuming Toastytown) and the switcheroo probably doesn't hurt you enough to overcome the conf. innocent status conferred upon you by UK and the sooner the game ends, the less likely we are to question it.

Give me one good reason you lied about having a role name.

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I actually voted for GreyICE at some point due to that discussion.

It appears you did vote for him, but you gave no input or a reason for your vote, so it wasn't clear at all that you were doing it because you agreed with Rhinox's case.

It's just the only possible explanation but let's just ignore that, shall we?

I think we've heard from everybody on the claim.

What thread have you been reading?

At each turn your story has become more inconsistent today, CES. I was reaction fishing. It's fun to do. I can link you to plenty of games where I do it as town. I've claimed scum, misclaimed watcher target, fakeclaimed full jailkeeper as a 1-shot, etc.

Lying in moderation is fine. This was a horrible play if town.

If I'm confirmed town, why would I waste the opportunity by not reaction fishing?

UK was dead and you just changed your story.

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You didn't pile lies upon lies as town, GreyICE and that's exactly what you did. The role name thing was a lame excuse for why you supposedly got the bounty power wrong.

UK confirming me had nothing to do with me being a cop or hider anyway. Cop is never a confirmable role.

Obviously. I'm just saying you had good reason not to lie further.

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By the bye, Kdub quicklynching me is terrible. AGM and Toasty haven't even gotten a chance to respond to me.

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There are 2 scum left, so he should block whomever.

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You shouldn't've let Kdub get away with quicklynching me.

Also, who the hell is 1 information role + bodyguard vs. mafia roleblocker supposed to be balanced? The vote thief alone tips the balance in favour of scum in terms of bounty powers too.

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EBWOP : how the hell*

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I don't blame you at all, for what it's worth.

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That's not my concept at all, GI. I won't deny my scumhunting was off, but that doesn't justify my lynch. If you're looking to absolve yourself of all my responsibility, I'd suggest blaming it on Kdub's quicklynch.

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Nachomamma read me perfectly. There were reasons to think I'm suspicious (e.g. that my suspicions were wrong), but on the whole I do think the lynch could've been avoided. Heck, maybe I could've convinced Toasty to unvote if I had gotten the chance.

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It didn't give you Toastytown. That was a dumb argument. If you had recanted it after you got Rhinoxtown, I wouldn't've cared all that much.