Cowboy Bebop Remix [Endgame]

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Meta from UK? No.

I'm keeping my confirmed town status because of this:
UncertainKitten, Jet Black, Ex-Lover Bodyguard [Protector] was killed N1.

Wrong target today, LLD

Notice ex-lover.

Why is that?

Simply because Fate wouldn't be bastardly enough to make scum be able to kill a town lover, and then go down 1 member.

UK said you were town base on her role.

I assume that it is the ex lover bit.

That is all flavor, and it's being used by you to confuse town.

You are scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Just because it works on you, doesn't mean you can't be scum.

Actually, that works wonderfully in this games mechanics.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Grey, the bodyguard power isn't going to JUST work on you.

I would Assume that UK gets to target who she wants with her BG power.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Huh, interesting.

Your argument that Vi is scum doesn't make any sense at all. Scum with Seraphim? Scum if Seraphim is scum? You never had any really solid reasoning there.

I can lay out exactly what made Vi scum. You never did. You were just CERTAIN the flip would be scum.

Misrep a little harder Grey.

The interactions that Seraphim had with Vi, as well as Vi's interactions with UK made me certain he was scum.

I explained this.

Moreover, I like how this is an issue for you NOW. It certainly wasn't an issue for you when you were cross-bussing with him.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, did Vi give you the arguments you would need to show him as scum?

Did he hold your hand and walk you through it Grey-kun~?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ooh, a game where you were town. Shock and awe.

You aren't town here Grey. You've had 1 scum PM before this, and you failed miserably at that. I had to save your ass, after Fate had caught it and chewed it out.

Think about it this way: What motivation does scum!LLD have to oppose town!GI's wagon on day 1?

Then think about this: What motivation does scum!Vi have to push scum!GI's wagon day 1?

You'll notice some patterns here...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Two, actually, but that's neither here nor there. Other was a newbie, and it's easy to win newbies as scum.

You opposed my wagon rather poorly. I hit L-1 with your 'opposition.' It was quite weak.

You saw a mislynch, you went for it.

Why are you going for me today? Because I'm still alive and I'm confirmed town? Who makes that decision? Whose that crazy? Who shoots Nacho if not Jahudo? Who shoots obv-town Antihero over me?

You do.

It hit L-1 day one because you had Vi and UK on your ass.

And I did my damnedest to get people onto Seraphim.

Unfortunately for me, I didn't see what UK did.

Of course, had you been lynched that day, and flipped scum, Vi would have been totally wiped fro my mind as scum.

Which was the INTENT of you two cross bussing.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

NO MOM AND DAD STOP FIGHTING!

I really don't buy the grey is scum because he is alive argument. And that is ironic given my previous stances on ICE throughout the game. And also because I can imagine scum sitting in the quicktopic going "herp derp rhino is so tunneled on ice i bet we can leave him alive and rhino will help us lynch him!"

Grey-kun is insinuating just that.

He's also insinuating that I'm the only one crazy enough to do that.

The problem is, that even I wouldn't leave Grey alive in this situation.

At least... I wouldn't leave him alive and then try to LYNCH him.

If I were scum, I would keep him alive because of his town read on me, and use him to keep me alive. That simple.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Rhinox: The longer scum leaves him alive, the more powerful confirmed town becomes. I can see them MAYBE killing Nacho over him.

But Antihero was inactive and while very protown, unlikely to be all that threatening to scum. Grey-kun not being dead by now is just setting off alarms in my head.

@Grey: See Above for why Antihero is an odd kill. He's inactive and probably not that threatening.

I came out gunning for you because I'm not going to be the townie that let the "confirmed town" dominate this game, only to be scum. Confirmed town living this long is unnatural.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And you left AGM alive for exactly that WIFOM.

I have a huge town read on you. That's a good enough reason to leave me alive if I'm leading MISLYNCHES not lynches.

Toasty AND Jahudo were mislynches, at least if I think Toasty thought he was hammered, and I do.

Not quite. I left AGM alive in Brotherhood for his killing ability.

Honestly, if I could have avoided the 3 person lylo with a confirmed town, I would have. I would have preferred to have UT, Spyrex and Myself there.

But AGM has the kill, and AGM was confirmed town. So he had to come with me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I would have killed you right after Vi died if I was scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

WIFOM

Damn it.

If it's not toasty and it's not Jahudo, WHO THE FUCK IS IT?

Let's assume for the moment that I don't think it is you.

Of the remaining 4 players (Rhinox,Kdub,CES,AGM) the only viable pair I see is Kdub and Rhinox.

Of course, I still am of the opinion that you are scum with Rhinox or AGM (And heaven help me if CES is scum, because I'm trusting UK on this).

But I can see a Kdub/Rhinox scum team...

P-Edit: Did we just do the same thing? XD

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hmmmm.....

Jahudo flipping town also lends to Kdub!scum... I guess.

I still can't shake you being ALIVE dammit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

GreyICE could've killed me in seconds, and yet he went on a very long internal-argument on whether or not I was scum. I could've been dead much early. Where is the scum motivation in that?

And wait a sec, LLD, NOW you are bringing up the "ex-lover" argument? NOW you are saying GreyICE isn't confirmed town. Didn't I say that and it was written off as scummy? The fact that when I say GreyICE is confirmed town I get a "dumb and scum" read and the fact that you then take one of my reasons for suspecting GreyICE as one of your own when people move away from my lynch is quite odd.

When Jahudo flipped town I first yelled at my computer and said "I TOLD YOU SO" and then I raged. Afterwards, I figured at least one scum would have to be on the Jahudo wagon. Rhinox's unwillingness to hammer Jahudo becomes a town read.

So, my Jahudo wagon suspects ultimately came down to LLD and CES. LLD was already low on my list, and Rhinox has already pointed out your strange shifts and stances. You say you changed because of the whole deadline lynch thing. But even amongst that you say things like "can we lynch rhinox instead?" and "I'm only lynching Jahudo or Toasty"--both things that would delay the lynch.

And I was L-1, so saying you had to make a quick decision and voted Jahudo is BS.

@Bolded: You're stupid. You were confirmed town the moment you thought you were lynched and acted town.

Lynching you wasn't an option anymore because you were town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

He's not confirmed town.

Seriously though, mass claim?

Do you think we still have a mislynch? 2 scum left?

If so, should we wait until if/when we hit lylo for a massclaim?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's not AGM time.

I want you or Jahudo to flip.

And your reaction to being "hammered" lowers you on my list.

Unvote: Vote: Jahudo

Even with your apparent change in read, you said it was between me or Jahudo. Still leaving the option open, eh?
And, in all honesty, I don't think my reactions to being "hammered" warrant an auto-matic switch to a town-read.

Read the third line.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I did, even commented on it in my post. REGARDLESS, YOU WERE STILL OK WITH MY FLIP. If you thought I was town, that shouldn't be there.

Any flip is better than no flip.

Only you and Jahudo were in range, due to who was online.

I also wanted Rhinox, but not enough people were online.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

He's not confirmed town.

Seriously though, mass claim?

Do you think we still have a mislynch? 2 scum left?

If so, should we wait until if/when we hit lylo for a massclaim?

I'd rather mass claim the day before so that we get at least one Night to disprove their claims.

I'll agree to that actually.

But let AGM say his shit, and then we will popcorn.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am Roko, Townie [Enabler].

The flavor is that I am a nobody who is trying to be a somebody. In fact, I want to "enable" my sister to be able to see again.

If I get a bounty, for the remainder of the game I am able to target one player at night. This will ensure that their action, regardless of alignment, goes through without fail.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh, yeah. Um. GI can full claim next I suppose.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@CES: does your neighborizer ability confirm both members as town?

It's a neighborizer. Not a mason.

Mason would confirm both as town.

Neighborizer does not, by definition of the two roles, this is the distinguishing feature of the two.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Toasty, what LLD said. I wouldn't even find out which player Faye was.

@Rhinox, the amount of town power seems rather low to the point that AGM makes more sense as a town RB than as a scum RB. Ugh, I need some time to think.

Query: Town Enabler lends to Town RB or Scum RB?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Scum RB. That's a good point.

PEdit: Yes. We'd be posting under Whitney and Faye.

In a quicktopic?

No Grey-kun, they'll use telepathy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm still confident in a AGM/GI scum team.

I'm happy with either of those lynches today.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

GI, you're saying that my suspicion on AGM is weird?

Well, let me see. A whole host of my other suspects just got massive town reads on them (such as toasty).

And my claim basically makes AGM's a scum RBer.

Add that along to you calling UT town all game based on Meta... I'm very confident in the AGM/Grey scum team.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Shock and motherfucking awe.

Now here comes AGM!scum to say he RB'd someone, and get the mislynch.

No, fuck that.

I'm tempted to just lynch AGM or Grey in the spot today, but I think a no lynch is what we need in mylo. And it is most CERTAINLY Mylo.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, look at the CES wagon.

AGM and GI.

Seriously, these two are scum. No two ways about it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: No Lynch

Even if I'm 100% certain of scum at this point, there is no need taking senseless risks.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LMFAO.

TOLD YOU.

I FUCKING TOLLLLLLLLLLD YOU.

UNVOTE; VOTE: AGM

QUESTION TIME: WITH ALL THE SUSPICION ON ME, WHY WOULD I BE THE ONE TO SEND THE KILL?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

AGM JUST COMMITTED A FATAL ERROR.

HE SHOUULD HAVE CLAIMED TO HAVE RB'D SOMEONE LIKE KDUB.

BUT NOT ME. RBING ME MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE. I WOULD NEVER SEND KILL AS SCUM AFTER HAVING OVER HALF THE TOWN ON MY CASE YESTERDAY.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

FURTHER MORE, I AM A TOWN ENABLER IN MY BOUNTY.

HE IS A RBer.

THE ENABLER IN MY BOUNTY IS MEANT TO COUNTER THE OVERPOWERED ROLEBLOCK.

AGM IS SCUM. GI IS SCUMBUDDY. GG.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

AND I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD IF THIS TOWN LYNCHES ME OVER OBV SCUM TEAM AGM AND GI, I WILL FUCKING RAGE.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

OH LOOK HERE'S LLD READY TO SQUIRM

YOU CAN'T GET OUT OF THIS ONE

I HAD YOU HAS A TOWN READ

WHICH IS WHY YOU WOULD SUBMIT THE KILL

YOU

FELL

RIGHT

INTO

THE

TRAP.

THAT'S SUCH HORSE SHIT.

I WAS CALLING YOU SCUM ALL YESTERDAY.

I KNEW YOU WOULD PULL THIS SHIT. I FUCKING CALLED IT.

BEGINNING OF THE FUCKING DAY. FIRST FUCKING POST.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

GI YOU ARE FUCKING SCUM.

I'M NOT EVEN ARGUING WITH YOU TWO ANYMORE. I DON'T NEED TO CONVINCE YOU TWO. YOU'RE BOTH SCUM.

Rhinox, look at the facts:

1) AGM claims Roleblocker
2) No Kill Occurs
3) Both AGM and GI yesterday claim that they have "too many town reads"
4) AGM says I'm obv town yesterday. You think he set this up?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

They're both scum.

If you believe this honestly, lynch AGM and then you can lynch me tomorrow if your heart desires it.

It shouldn't make a difference what order you kill us in. I WANT THIS SCUM DEAD.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm still confident in a AGM/GI scum team.

I'm happy with either of those lynches today.

FROM YESTERDAY.

YOU MOTHER FUCKER.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

AND YOU WERE SAYING THIS YESTERDAY WHERE?

OH THATS RIGHT

YOU WEREN'T

YOU ONLY BRING UP THAT ARGUMENT

AFTER

I GET THE GUILTY ON YOU

SQUIRMSQUIRMSQUIRM

I HAVE JUST SHOWN THIS TO BE A BOLD FACED LIE WITH MY ABOVE POST.

AGM IS TRYING TO GET THE LAST MISLYNCH HE NEEDS FOR SCUM TO WIN THIS GAME.

IT'S FUCKING OBVIOUS HE IS A SCUM ROLEBLOCKER.

LOOK AT THE POWER IN THIS GAME. AND THE FUCKING BOUNTY MECHANIC.

IT WOULD IMPOSSIBLE FOR SCUM NOT TO HAVE A FUCKING ROLEBLOCKER.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'M GOING TO ASK THE TOWN ONE THING.

GI AND AGM ARE OBVIOUS SCUM TEAM. OBVIOUS OBVIOUS OBVIOUS.

SO, IF YOU ARE GOING TO LYNCH ME OVER THEM (AND LOSE), AT LEAST READ THE THREAD AND MAKE YOUR OWN FUCKING CONCLUSIONS.

DON'T JUST SHEEP GI. BECAUSE AGM!SCUM HAS TO BE GI!SCUMBUDDY

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EXCUSE ME A MOMENT WHILE I FETCH THE FLIPPED TOWN POWER ROLES

[Lady Lambdadelta]

UncertainKitten, Jet Black, Ex-Lover Bodyguard [Protector] was killed N1.
Nachomamma, Laughing Bull, Shaman Astrologer [None] was killed N2.
Antitown, Andy de Oniyate, Lucky Bounty Hunter [Super-Samurai] was killed N3.

LOOK AT THIS.

3 FUCKING POWER ROLES.

ADD IN OUR BOUNTIES, AND YOU HAVE A SHIT TON OF TOWN POWER.

A SCUM RB MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

WHEN DID I EVER SAY YOU WERE TOO DUMB TO DO THE RB THING?

STOP FUCKING PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Fuck this. Yelling at AGM is satisfying but not accomplishing anything.

@Toasty,Kdub,Rhinox: I have been saying since YESTERDAY that AGM and GI are scum.

Notice on the CES wagon... they are both there. GI was the one who put it at L-1. AGM lead the wagon.

If I was such obvious scum to GI yesterday, why didn't he lynch me?

If I'm such obvious scum to GI today, why isn't he voting me?

Because he's distancing from AGM. This gambit was PLANNED by the two of them. He knows that even if AGM gets lynched and flips scum, that he can just kill me, and then try and manipulate town using his "UK Confirmed me" argument.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@AGM: That Line Implies that you OBVIOUSLY set this up.

Learn to read.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EBWOP: By you saying "LLD IS OBV TOWN" yesterday AGM, you set up the "I ROLEBLOCKED LLD. SHE FELL INTO MY TRAP~" argument.

You were planning this gambit ever since you claimed RB.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So scum
have daytalk?

Because otherwise no one planned shit with AGM.

Let me see: You at LEAST have night talk with him to plan TODAY'S gambit.

And Fate never denied that you might have day talk. I asked Day 1. He refused to answer.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like really. There was no way that day evolved the way it did.

CES had a weird ass claim. Fate can now NO LONGER bitch about ANY ROLE AT ALL in ANY GAME EVER. Creating a brand new Quicktopic account for a bad single target neighbor thread that doesn't even confirm them town as a bounty power? That's fucking ridiculous.

In other words, you lynched CES ONLY based on his claim?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And I'm done yelling. I don't see why AGM is still trying to bullrush this. He's trying to push it past town's logical view, with repeated "you're scum!" posts.

Yelling at this point is not town. Logical argument is.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Fuck this. Yelling at AGM is satisfying but not accomplishing anything.

@Toasty,Kdub,Rhinox: I have been saying since YESTERDAY that AGM and GI are scum.

CLASSIC scum.

can't win the argument logically?

dodge and start randomly appealing to people for mercy

No, CLASSIC scum is actually what you are doing. Trying to find the smallest posts I make, and fit them to a scum agenda.

I'm asking the TOWN to listen to my arguments.

You and GI aren;t town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

But what makes me scum? That I'm confirmed town who survived two night kills while town power died? All that means is a Role Cop. Which would balance the scumteam quite nicely especially with Seraphim.

Then humor me a moment GI. If you aren't scum, then who is?

Because AGM is obvious scum (at least from my PoV) at this point.

So I'm lynching him today no matter what.

Do you think AGM has any chance of being scum?

(Note: I still think you're scum, and I'm not letting that drop, but you can bus AGM today if you like)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@AGM: When you only need 1 more mislynch? It is. If town lynches incorrectly today, scum will win. There has to be two scum left.

So you figure that if you can push this claim through (by using the No Kill and RB claim method) it won't matter that you become confirmed scum when I die because

the game will be over

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm frustrated, because I already wanted to lynch GI and AGM earlier in the game and got no town support and in fact many town players spent a good deal telling me how shitty my cases were and convinced me I was wrong. I drank the coolaid. How am I supposed to undrink it to possibly believe a AGM GI scum team? HOW?

Rhinox, I shot down your GI arguments earlier in the game based upon the GI confirmed town theory.

I got suckered in by that, and it's partially UK's fault.

But believe me when I say this. He's no longer confirmed town, and AGM(Who was UT) is his scum buddy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If it's you
Then it's kdub

Here you go.

This is the scum claim.

Let me go find GI's posts on Kdub, and how "AMAZING SUPER PRO TOWN" he was.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

UT:
There's actually a key to reading UT.
ScumUT gives you the feeling that he's average, has a handle on the game, has some sort of direction.
TownUT doesn't let you know where the fuck he's going, seems to care more about snark than anything else, usually stuck in perpetual catchup.

This is town UT.

BASICALLY THIS

My god man, I spent an entire game, when I wasn't poking the kitten for jingles, watching UT and figuring out to alienate him from basically everyone in the entire thread. He's perpeptually a day late, a dollar short, and annoying about it.

While I'm at it, here is a post of GI blatantly using Meta to defend UT (which is the slot AGM replaced)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Toasty: I'm willing to admit I was wrong. I got blinded by Grey being "confirmed" and then blindly accepted his UT!town meta argument.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

UT was town. His replacement is too.

Here's another baseless "UT is town" post.

GI liked spamming those...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Kdub:

He is very quiet for someone

we have a town read on

. We do not know if this is a good thing. We suspect not. We note Glork's rule - we always read one scum

as pro-town day 1.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EBWOP: The above post is from when GI was using his "townier than thou; pope car" act. It is clear at this point, he is trying to make subtle posts that he can point back to and say "I SUSPECTED HIM HERE! SEE?"

In reality, what you need to read from this post is that

GI has a town read on KDub

and that it has been there

since day 1

.

Further, I have yet to see an explanation of how Kdub and I are linked as a scum pairing.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Kdub, a 4:2 is better for mafia than a 3:2.

There are more mislynch options for the scum.

Also, mylo is just as good as lylo for scum, if they are going to force a 1v1.

Remember that this is MYLO.

Finally, if you lynch AGM, and he flips scum (which he will), I do become confirmed town.

But then the remaining scum member just kills me that night, and enters mylo again.

There is LITTLE risk for scum AGM to do this gambit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, Kdub. Look at GI's accusation of you.

GI is saying that I am scum, and you are my buddy.

At this point, it is obvious that if AGM is scum, then GI is his buddy.

You can connect the dots, right?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, Kdub.

The gambit is actually really safe for them to do because they ONLY need this lynch to win.

If they get me lynched, they win.

If AGM gets lynched, I die tonight, and then GI has a chance at fooling town tomorrow.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What is more likely to get scum lynched?

A method where everyone is fair game to suspicion, and you need to focus on everyone?

Or a situation where you can create a 1v1 with a player that you think you can beat?

Most scum would take the 1v1

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Kdub, see how he misreps my posts?

He's using ad hom to make me look like a raging idiot who has no case.

When in reality I have provided plenty of evidence.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ahem.

2 vs 4. Is a 66% chance of lynching town.

1 v 1 is 50%

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yes, but:

They have to convince More people, and scum hunt more.

This way, you can just tunnel on me like a mother fucker.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I like how AGM uses wifom as fact.

Also, just because you say something, doesn't make it inherently true,

Finally, I'm done talking to you. I will convince the TOWN of my innocence. Not you who would twist my words.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

"Rhinox is town."

Best reason ever.

I agree that he is town... Because you and AGM are scum.

But you're using PoE.

So tell me, how does one Town Read out weigh another?

Let me guess, that one is easier to lynch?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And again, I'm being draw into fights with you two.

No more of this. I am not trying to convince you. I'm trying to convince the town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

To answer both your questions, I have known since the beginning of yesterday that GI was scum, and I had a feeling AGM was scum with him. (UT was a good match for him too.)

Later in the day, interactions between Grey and AGM + AGM's RB claim were enough to convince me 100%.

I knew AGM would pull this gambit. I saw it coming a mile away. The second that they mislynches CES, I knew it was their plan.

I'll note that I didn't even get a chance to put my two cents in on the CES wagon. And I'm pretty damn active. That's how fast CES got lynched.

No one else can be scum but AGM and GI. I refuse to believe it. AGM is confirmed to me, and GI is too much his buddy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Rhinox: The reason I was chosen as the target for this gambit is because I suspected them both yesterday hardcore.

If AGM had come out today and said "I RB'd Rhinox, He's scum!", I would have lynched AGM on the spot.

Well... I actually might have No Lynched.

But I would still be as certain of AGM scum as I am now.

The fact is that if they pull this gambit, whoever AGM lies about RBing is immediately able to confirm AGM as scum, and cross vote him.

If he tried doing it to you, he'd have two people against him and thus a much lower chance.

But look at the past few days. I've not been seen as town by any stretch of the imagination.

AND I've expressed massive suspicion on AGM.

SO, it reads perfectly that if AGM pulls this gambit, he targets me because:

1) I'm already a vote against him, so it doesn't hurt him to FURTHER confirm himself as scum to me
and
2) Because I am easily the most lynchable player in the game right now, due to my GreyICE suspicion yesterday.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, assume for a moment that I am scum... and that AGM is town RB.

What POSSIBLE motivation would I have for wanting to be the one to send the kill?

It was obvious that if AGM were town, he would RB me.

Why?

Because if he thought I was town, but I had suspicion on me, then it would be a good play for him to RB me, and

potentially

clear me of some NK suspicion.

So as scum, it makes NO sense for me to send the kill last night ANYWAY.

He keeps talking about me "falling into his trap". This is AGM's way of bulldozing me into the ground and claiming that it would be "obvious for me to send the kill because AGM called me town."

I've just shown why I would never send kill as scum, so that is refuted.

If you want a tl;dr list of why I would never send the kill as scum:

1) I am the most suspected player in the game.
2) If AGM was town and I was scum, I am his most likely RB target.
- If he thinks I am town, he will RB me to clear me of potential suspicion (or catch me as scum if he is wrong)
-If he thinks I am scum, he would RB me to try and stop the kill and confirm me as scum.

Thus, it would make

no sense

for me to send the kill last night.

And so AGM is lying through his teeth.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Which ever way you look at it, this much is true:

Regardless of alignment, there is no way AGM could have stopped a kill by RBing me last night.

Thus, he is lying.

Thus,

AGM is scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LOL, because you didn't submit a kill. But he hit scum anyway.

That's fucking hysterical.

You're fucking retarded.

For someone who tells people to read, you seem to fail at doing just that.

The entire situation I provided was a hypothetical one, showing why his claim is ridiculous even from the other perspective.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't follow what makes you a better RB choice than Me or Kdub assuming AGMtown. If I understand, you're saying you were the obvious RB choice, and thus would not have sent in the kill, and thus AGM is lying. I don't see that being the case.

I am and have been much more suspected and am much more lynchable than you. I don't see any way you can claim otherwise. Nearly everyone has been calling you town all game, and no one was clammoring to vote you despite your attack on GI yesterday. I will also point out that while you were messing around trying to lynch GI yesterday, I was the one who was actually voting AGM - why wouldn't AGM have assumed I would be a guaranteed vote on him as well/rather than you. Meanwhile, everyone alive right now has been ok with my lynch at one point or another, and the only player who currently thinks I'm townish is GI.

I'm sorry?

GI just suggested that you and Kdub could be scum.

I'm saying that GI/AGM is the scum team. Confirmed.

That means you are town.

>.<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LOL, because you didn't submit a kill. But he hit scum anyway.

That's fucking hysterical.

You're so great at making cases.

All you do is post rhetoric and pointless attacks with no base.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

BTW, attacking rhetoric over intent is a scum tell.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So basically you're telling me LLD no-killed because she thought I was going to roleblock town?

...

PFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

THIS IS THE BEST ARGUMENT YOU CAN COME UP WITH GI?

YOU'RE FUCKING KIDDING ME RIGHT~?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

POST IN LARGE RED FONT

MAKE FALSE STATEMENTS TRUE

BTW, attacking rhetoric over intent is a scum tell.

Point is proven.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What POSSIBLE motivation would I have for wanting to be the one to send the kill?

Because you were on my town list and your buddy wasn't.

I had a stated town read on you and GreyICE, a null read on Rhinox, a null/scum read on Kdub, and a scum read on Toasty.

So, unless your buddy is GreyICE, you were the obvious choice to submit the kill.

All your woosh woosh arguments about intent go away. All your red text goes away. All your OMG EITHER WAY AGM IS SCUM arguments go away.

You. Are. Scum.

So who is scum with me AGM?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I would like to draw the attention of town to the two people who are attacking me fervently right now, instead of taking a balanced approach.

AGM and GI.

AGM is understandable. If I'm not scum, he is. But he's still confirmed scum to me.

The more interesting point is how GI has been pushing my case fervently, and yet has not voted me.

His last few statements have been essentially saying that I can't

not

be scum. He refuses to even consider AGM!scum.

And yet he doesn't vote me?

He's not tunneling town, because tunneling town would have voted me by now.

He's scum pushing my wagon in support of scumbuddy!AGM, but not wanting to commit to it just yet. He wants someone ELSE to jump on it before he does. He's scared if he supports AGM with his vote, you guys might actually see the connection I am making.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ALSO.

I have yet to see GI or AGM actually refute any of my points.

All they have been saying is: "LLD IS OBVIOUSLY LYING." "FALSE STATEMENT" and "YOU. ARE. SCUM."

No logic. No reason. No rebuttal.

Just plain old steamrolling.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Kdub, here is my thought process.

I was 95% sure AGM and GI were scum yesterday.

I figured that thanks to AGM being RB, that if there was no kill today, it would be because AGM faked an RB and accused someone of being scum due to the RB.

Had there been a kill today, I would have been less sure than I am.

But I was almost certain that AGM would fake the RB and use a no kill.

Because if I was a scum RBer,

I would have done the same.

And AGM isn't a fool. AGM is every bit as intelligent as I am. Honestly, he is probably leaps and bounds smarter than me.

But I know that this move is the most viable option for him as a scum RB, because it's what I would have done.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Here goes AGM on his fake rage rant, trying to appear "frustrated town".

[Lady Lambdadelta]

How about my 1615 and 1616 AGM?

All you said in response to them was that one liner about "Making False Statements True"

Which was just an attack on my rhetoric.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@AGM: I did respond to your intent post.

See: 1615 and 1616

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Toasty, I will lynch GI or AGM today.

Either is fine, they are both scum.

To me, between them, order doesn't matter.

They both gotta fuckin' die.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@KDub: No.

I am saying that AGM claimed roleblocker because that was his actual role. He is a scum roleblocker. So the best fake claim for him is to just change that to town RB.

He got CES lynched, and came up with this plan in his mafia QT last night.

He wasn't planning the CES lynch with the thought of pulling this gambit on me. He was just looking for the mislynch.

The thought of this gambit probably was planned the following night, once they realized that whether they made a kill or not,

scum wins if town mislynches today

.

Does that make sense? If you need more clarity, I can provide it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Kdub:

Assassin is a day kill ability IIRC. So unless someone had a day protect then that's not really an issue.

Also, I don't think you understand my role. An enabler targets one player. That player is CERTAIN to have their action resolve. So if they are a cop, they will for sure get their investigation.

If they are a doctor, whomever they protect will be protected without fail.

So if Player A shoots Player B.

And Player C protects Player B.

Player D RB's Player C.

But I enable Player C.

Then Player B doesn't die, because Player C's action will resolve without fail, and the protection will be upheld.

My role is essentially an anti-roleblocker.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@KDub: It seems obvious to me that UK confirmed Grey on a role flavor reasoning of him being her ex-lover.

It was only confirmed by flavor, and UK died the following night, so we can't know any other reason why she would confirm him.

Which is a good reason fro GI!scum to kill her, right?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Toasty:

But we have 2 scum left, and we are in Mylo.

If we lynch wrong today, we lose. It's that simple.

To me, AGM is 100% scum and GI is 99%.

I'd rather lynch the 100%.

And since AGM is scum, there will only be 1 scum left.

Here is my proposition. We lynch AGM, but GreyICE stays off the wagon. This way, GI doesn't get any bounty power.

Then, we have KDub use his wagon check power to determine in there were any scum on the AGM wagon.

Remember that if AGM is town, then the bounties don't matter. Because one wrong lynch and we lose this game.

But since AGM is scum, we lynch him today, keep GI off the wagon, and most of the town gets their bounties.

At WORST, there could be 1 scum remaining with their bounty power.

1 scum bounty power doesn't have the strength to win the game on its own. It won't happen.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Again, if you would prefer having GI on the wagon and me off, that's fine.

But the thing is, at WORST, there will be one scum with a bounty power. Not enough to kill our entire town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

More steamrolling caps from AGM.

I'm not going to dignify it with a response, because all he's done is say "HERP A DERP YOU'RE LYING" and never shown how I was lying.

He's just trying to draw me into a caps lock war, which will hide any content that has been posted under the masses of caps.

I'll leave it to town to see this.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And here's GI's jump onto my wagon.

See? Scum team.

That simple folks.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh no. Oh noes. Oh 1669 was a scumclaim if I ever did see one.

>"It's a scum claim"
>No explination

YEP

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ITT GreyICE argues that Having reads progress and change through the course of the game is scummy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@GI: How the fuck is my post AtE? And it does raise a logical point. You just claimed that having a natural progression of reads (I.E: Being able to change your ideas of who is scum) is a scummy thing.

LOLNO.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If that is true GI, then lynch AGM with me.

Bus your scumbuddy.

I think AGM is scum with you.

You think AGM is scum with me.

There is a common factor there.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Were I to lynch on GAMEPLAY right now, I'd lynch BOTH of you. Were I to lynch on interactions with known scum, i.e. none, I'd lynch BOTH of you

Then what is this?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Try impossible.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What? Hiding behind a miller would totally NOT kill a hider...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

His answer is going to be "this isn't an open setup, so I won't be answering", but I'll ask it a different way just for fun.

Would a hider die if they hide behind a miller? A death-miller?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't think AGM is town. Not for one second.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ITT GI tries to distance himself from AGM and produce a possibility where I am scum with him.

Sorry bro. Not happening.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Of course it's not happening. I'm town.

I'm pointing out to Rhinox how fucking horrible it is to be spending all of his time on ME when he wants to lynch one of YOU. My posts as scum are industrial grade WIFOM, and he thinks that if he determines I'm scum that'll help him find the right wagon?

Isn't saying "My Posts as scum are always WIFOM", WIFOM in itself?

At best, it's self meta.

At worst, you're lying.

Either way, it's a scumtastic scum tactic. :3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If

: I am scum

Then

my posts do not accurately indicate who my buddy is, since I would be attempting to obscure exactly that.

I have a problem with this.

Even IF you are trying to obscure who your buddy is... that's called distancing or busing. And guess what? Town is able to pick up on that.

You are making the assumption that you are some god of mafia who can't be read when he tries to obscure who his buddy is.

You aren't, and so your argument falls flat on its face.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Mod: Can you fix my tags above?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Actually, AGM is scum because he's lying about his RB claim on me.

You're scum for other reasons too.

The driving point however, is that you two are a HIGHLY likely scum team, and your interactions prove as much.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You're scum for other reasons too.

The driving point however, is that you two are a HIGHLY likely scum team, and your interactions prove as much

.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

^ Wrong game.

Rhinox, you're seriously going to be swayed by his terribad argument?

Don't make me show you step by step why it's wrong >.< You said it all yourself!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

^ There you have it folks. GI locks himself into a position with AGM!scum.

I mean, how many times does he have to attack someone when they think AGM is scum, before people see that he's defending him!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey GI? See that post above yours? That's called a case. That's called reasoning.

I just pointed out that you attack anyone who votes AGM.

You've attacked Rhinox with Ad Hom, and then attempt to placate the situation with Toasty by implying he is MY scum buddy.

You also attempted to placate me with a vote, but I called you on being the only two on my wagon with AGM, and so you hopped off merrily without so much as a word.

SCUM. These are REASONS. See? REASONSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

Now learn to read and stop picking and choosing what you quote from me. It's called misrepresentation and you're using it hard.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, you know every post you made in the thread. Find the good solid reasons to vote me in them. Don't call it cherry picking when you know there's nothing else in your ISO but a vast wasteland of nothing when it comes to your scumread on me.

Toasty, 24 hours elapsed between your vote and the hammer. During that time, you made 5 other posts on site, including ones in another game that night, that confirm you had ample opportunity to say something before the hammer. Lame excuse is fucking lame.

First off, I'm not preaching my reasons why you are scum TO YOU.

If a TOWN member has a question for me, I'll answer it.

I'm not searching through my entire ISO to tell you things I've already said.

As for the bolded, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Toasty called you out for being on every fucking mislynch this town has seen. What does Toasty not posting something before a VERY FAST HAMMER, have to do with that?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What is this shit about me driving the wagon Day 3?

You fucking rode that shit to the bank, and I followed you blindly like a fool because of confirmed town status.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That was @GI BTW.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What is this shit about me driving the wagon Day 3?

You fucking rode that shit to the bank, and I followed you blindly like a fool because of confirmed town status.

Oh gimme a break. About the only thing I did, deliberately, was push Rhinox off limits because he was really town (even if he is really ANNOYING town) and seemed like the perfect sort of scum target to pick at while not doing anything.

I DELIBERATELY didn't take a leadership position to generate reads.

Not true.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

AGM, there aren't 3 votes on you.

Rhinox unvoted. There are only 2 votes on you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: LLD

Why this didn't happen YESTERDAY is beyond me.

P.S. Roleblocked Rhinox. I didn't really expect anyone other than LLD to submit the kill, but I figured the 5% chance of nailing the last member outweighed mylo vs lylo.

A vote this quickly in lylo is stupid.

Imagine if GI and Kdub were the scum team, and we were getting played.

They'd both come on a quick hammer the fuck out of us.

That's why this vote isn't town. Town would be scared to place a vote in lylo, for fear of a quickhammer.

I don't care how confirmed a scum you are. I'm not placing a vote until we've all talked.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

AGM, yesterday was mylo. It took 4 votes to lynch.

In order for you to be quick hammered by a scum team... the scum would have to be Kdub/Rhinox.

That's not a pairing. Sorry. Rhinox and Kdub aren't scum together, so I don't live in fear of a quickhammer from the two of them yesterday.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And rest assured, my vote will eventually find its way to you or GI.

I just want to hear what everyone has to say before I vote.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

AGM, yesterday was mylo. It took 4 votes to lynch.

In order for you to be quick hammered by a scum team... the scum would have to be Kdub/Rhinox.

That's not a pairing. Sorry. Rhinox and Kdub aren't scum together, so I don't live in fear of a quickhammer from the two of them yesterday.

...

...

And me/kdub or me/Rhinox is impossible? After you spent yesterday certain that I was scum?

If you switched your vote to AGM, I would immediately unvote.

I'm online enough to prevent THAT.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Kdub's appearance and NON-VOTE clears up my last lingering doubt.

I'm happy now.

Vote: AGM

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Sweet merciful heavens.

I love how Rhinox is as bad a player as I thought he was. <3

GI is waffling like a mother to save his ass incase AGM is lynched.

The only person who supported me yesterday is DEAD.

They have 2 votes, and only need 1 more.

Find me ONE SHRED of evidence that ties me to Kdub with us being scumbuddies.

ONE. SHRED.

It doesn't exist.

You know why?

Cause I'm not scum, fool.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

/not hammering

Cool. Real fucking cool.

Rhinox should really unvote before Kdub comes along and quick hammers.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

FUCKING.

TOLD.

YOU.

YOU PEOPLE ARE DUMB AS SHIT.

Though the GI thing is my bad. Sorry Grey. It was just too dammed coincidental.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

AGM, fuck off,.

Rhinox, never play mafia again.

Thanks!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm serious about that by the way. Rhinox, please never play mafia again.

Leaving someone at L-1 right after GI didn't hammer was possibly the WORST. FUCKING. MOVE. I have EVER seen.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'll humor you...

unvote

I'm interested to hear your case for AGM+Kdub scum team.

MY CASE?

HOW ABOUT THAT HAMMER KDUB JUST DROPPED?

THAT CASE ENOUGH FOR YOU DUMBASS?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Deadthread:

Whoops, wasn't scum.

Honestly, I'm not going to recant my suspicion of GI, frankly because he abused his conf.town way too much, and mislynches galore came up.

AGM's gambit was Fucking obvious, and I'm rather upset that no one caught it.

Seraphim can kiss my ass and get lynched day one again :3. You weren't a bad lynch because you claimed non town. Claiming non town= death. Every time.

Rhinox, how about next time you're in lylo, you don't be a derp and leave your vote on someone in L-1, then leave.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Rhinox doesn't deserve a blacklisting.

He does need to realize why his move was dumb as shit though.

Once GI didn't hammer, that made him confirmed town.

You had already concluded that only one of me/AGM was scum.

You knew you were town.

You knew there were 2 scum.

By extension, this means Kdub is and was confirmed scum to you by the GI non-hammer

Hence, you should have unvoted immediately after this.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, I can't understand why people didn't take one look at AGM's screaming death steamrolling strategy, and call it scum right away >.<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, you think I didn't consider immediately unvoting after GI didn't hammer? But I made a snap decision, that there was no way I was going to believe anything you came up with to argue for a AGM+anyone else lynch after ranting for 2 days about how sure you were that the scum were AGM and GI. The outcome wouldn't have been any different. If you wouldn't have been pushing so hard for the AGM/GI pairing, then maybe I wouldn't have come into the last day with my mind set that the scum team was either AGM/GI or LLD/Kdub. If finally confirmed-town-to-me GI wouldn't have been so sure about AGM/reck town for 3-4 days, maybe I wouldn't have put as much weight on his opinion and be able to see that GI-town doesn't rule out AGM-scum. Point is, I made a decision, it was wrong and I feel bad, but I don't regret making the choice. But I didn't make the choice in a vacuum, as much as I failed to make the right choice, you LLD failed to convince me I was making the wrong choice.

Don't even try and turn this back on me Rhinox.

I have just shown why Kdub should have been CONFIRMED SCUM to you.

So you saying that "there was no way I was gonna not lynch you" speaks to your general ineptitude. You should have been able to make the connection about Kdub scum immediately. That's not my fault, it's yours.

FURTHERMORE, while it is my job to show you why I am town, it isn't my fault that you MISREAD THE FUCKING SITUATION.

I'm not to blame for you inadequacy. Sorry.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Fuck. You would post a link like that and make me feel bad for chewing you out, wouldn't you? Dx

Look, you're not a bad player. I'm just frustrated with this game, and some of the derp mistakes that were made by EVERYONE involved.

/sigh

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You had already concluded that only one of me/AGM was scum.

You knew you were town.

You knew there were 2 scum.

By extension, this means Kdub is and was confirmed scum to you by the GI non-hammer

Hence, you should have unvoted immediately after this.

:feels really dumb now:

yeah I completely missed that

Don't worry about it. Mafia's about learning from mistakes and moving on.

You'll get better as you go. That's just how the game works. Next time you're in a situation like this, you'll remember and make the right move/call. ^-^

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, I can't understand why people didn't take one look at AGM's screaming death steamrolling strategy, and call it scum right away >.<

...

Uh...

That was pretty much your strategy for most of the last two days

I provided reasons...

I didn't start yelling until AGM came out. >.<

And even then I stopped yelling, and tried to placate his steamrolling.