Mini 1127 Cult vs Masons OVER. TOWN WINS

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vote:andrius

seems fidgety, unselfconscious of play, and its the best page 2 read you can get. Too bad I missed my policy kat vote for being a dick.

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fuck, I messed up on my first post, should read:

Seems fidgety, self conscious. (not unself...)

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^is that pure random? It doesn't sound right.

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@ender, fuck you, I wanted to play in that game so bad....

@andrius, Its scummy because you are seemingly over thinking your posts. Try to make sure everything sounds right. Just my gut read.

@nacho, if you posted the exact opposite of what you mean to post you would try to fix it too... I do, however, like your read on exe. I would like for him to respond before voting him though.

@chess kid, Why did you use the word math in a sentence that has no math in it? For some reason I'm not surprised.

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ANDY. PARAMA, ANDY, EXE ALLIANCE IS GO.



I don't understand the scumandy argument. Sounds like Frenzy Mafia andy to me. Never seen your scum though.

Exe here trying to make alliance...

ALLIANCE IS GO!!


My scumplay is HORRID. Lots of lurking, pushing them easy lynches; I won't bother pushing for people's lynches who are better than me without luck.

Andy= epic sheep. My vote is on andy and is going to stay that way. Looking back he has also made a lot of fluffy looking posts (page 1, I know).

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Mod: Limited Acess until Tuesday

I'm living in someone else's room for the weekend, and its an odd living arragement. Spamtastic posting will resume Tuesday. :/

@ cooldog: I tend to post in high-velocity when I have time.

@ cooldog: You don't seem to know me at all. xD I like being overly "yaaay!! " and friendly D1, and I like to joke around. Exe and I have a personal history of me distrusting him despite a scum-read. If I start an alliance it will go something like this: "

ALLIANCE TIME: MEMBERS ARE MITH, FLAY, VRK.

" I do post fluff D1, its now I play. Read Blackest Night Mafia D1; my posts. Same deal, I was ovtown.

@AV: I love joking around. DEAL.

I think the Andy + Parama + Exe combo is beast mode

<3

I love alliances; its definitely not happening now.

@ Kat: I just came out of BNM where MASONS AND SCUM could get recruited into a Cult. I'm a little wary of cults now, and have good reason to be so.

Don't buy it. I play to win, not to have fun. You have fun when you win. So lets win and then have fun. And I don't find jokes in mafia games funny.

mod:vote count please...

If he ain't at l-1 more votes on this scummy dude.

@exe, nice bussy there. I like how you really wanted an alliance with andy and now you vote for him A++ play here. And I'm begining not to like your posts very much, gut mostly.

@Chesskid3, mind giving some reasons for a change, its not probable, but might as well ask for them.

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Lol, who is this and where is the real cooldog? You trying a new strat bro? You used to be pretty obvious as scum ...

Ohh yeah man. I'm turning over a new leaf and trying to play better. My last game with you I played horrid. Some of my newer games you will see that I'm getting better at this game. But other then that you did a very fine job at not answering to my points. Answer to your apparent contradiction.

@Plum, Seeing as it was page 2 I wanted to simply state that it wasn't a very strong read, partly (mostly) due to the fact that it is so early in the game. But the scum read on andy has grown much stronger as time has gone on.

@chesskid, instead of posting shit like you normally do, would you mind to answer my question? Its about why you voted me.

@AV, Exe is actually my second man. But I find Andy's response to be horrific, thus my vote stays on him.

Andy is at l-2, I would like to put him to l-1 and see what he says. I'm not advocating a quick lynch, I just want more pressure on this guy.

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@chesskid, I go into "panic" mode when someone has yet to give any reason for their apparent non-rvs vote.

@exe, you wanted an alliance and now you back out and think its a bad thing. That is a contradiction.

@andy, mind responding to things instead of posting nothing? Or have you even read the game thread (evidence is the fact that you didn't know that chess voted for me)?

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Vote: Cooldog

Just thought that I should post chesskid's full post about me. I simply asked for reasons that is all. If that is panic mode then everybody is in it right now.

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ANDY. PARAMA, ANDY, EXE ALLIANCE IS GO.



I don't understand the scumandy argument. Sounds like Frenzy Mafia andy to me. Never seen your scum though.

Exe posting about alliance. Seems for it.

ALLIANCE IS GO!!


My scumplay is HORRID. Lots of lurking, pushing them easy lynches; I won't bother pushing for people's lynches who are better than me without luck.

Andy posting that he wants in on it.

Alliances are led by the ovtown players, or at least generally thought-of as town. The purpose isn't to establish an ovtown club, as they'll just get killed and destroyed within a couple nights. The purpose is to establish an alliance led by ovtown with both 1) ovtown, 2) town-reads, 3) scummy players who can be controlled to a degree. The purpose of an alliance is to form a voting bloc, and once you're in the bloc you vote with the bloc. This helps because it consolidates the first two groups into a voting bloc (the inherent weakness of the town is disunity, unlike the scumbags who know who each other are). The third group is "controlled" because they will naturally WANT to seem protown and they'll go along with the ovtownies for cred. They may be scum, they may be VIs who need guidance.
Then you sit back and watch how they work. Who blindly follows every whim of the alliance? Who votes with them but still expresses dissatisfaction?

I'll bring up Frenzy Mafia for a second:

Alliance Members:
Andy - 1
Parama - 1
Exe - 2
WOMC - 2
Shotty - 3
Furcolow - 3
Pom - 2

Volo was a later addition because I read her as scum and I wanted to keep her under watch through the voting bloc. The quickhammer D1 was not sanctioned by the alliance, and she was lynched at the first opportunity. She flipped scum.

More andy posting about wanting an alliance.

I wasn't starting an alliance. AV asked about them so I told him my thoughts. Exe is the one wanting alliances.

Oh, yeah, let's just let the Cult Recruiter get killed by the potentially-non-existant mafia. Seriously though, why don't we just lynch her if we think she's C.R.?

Vas, alliances aren't inherentlly bad, especially if recruited masons can't become recruited into the cult afterwards. :/

180 baby.

Andy backpedaling about wanting the alliance is both saddening and suspicious. It's time for some mo' pressure there.

Unvote. Vote: Andrius

AV is a little more like my experience of him now. That's a bit better I guess.

Awww, so sad he won't join my buddy club.... We had a cult win going on day-1, shucks.

My conclusion is that you are correct you have always advocated an alliance. My bad I mis-read your quotes. But until your last post you seem to still be for it. Is this still the case?

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okay, now for my post about andy, you have in fact posted nothing. The only real thing you have posted is ether:

A) WOOOOOPEEEEEE! I love this game, lets make a cool kids club.

or

B) UHHH, DUDE THATS SUCH A MIS-REP. AND I'M NOT SCUM AND ALL.

All of your posts are ether reactive or about trying to form easy cult targets. You have been found out, get over it.

Wierd thing just happened, I composed my first post in another tab. Then I posted it and I closed that tab. I then used the quick reply box to post the above, and I got ninja'd by myself.

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@chesskid, coming right up:
unfortunately the only scum game I have played in (to my knowledge) is:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 23&t=15776

town game:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 90&start=0

Find what you can. But you have played a few games with me, I think you should know my meta.

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That is correct. I must not have put that on my wiki yet.

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hay exe, would you mind answering if you are still for an alliance?

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@andy, let me get this straight: when you posted "ALLIANCE IS GO" in response to exe posting about you being in an alliance with him, you really meant, lets have a good game guys, and lets have a lot of fun. I read words, not crap run-around. You were for the alliance when exe posted about it, and now you defy that you ever wanted one. Also to your point about l-1, it isn't necessary, you have already started to play differently. You have flip-flopped and lied about your original intentions.

confirm vote: andy

as for vas....

After the nacho back and forth I decided to go back to see what vas has posted.

No of his post seem to be that bad. I don't see the distancing from andy, of course this could be a meta thing that I'm not aware of. I also don't buy the AV wagon.

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NACHO I FUCKING EXPLAINED ALREADY. PARAMA HAS REASONS TO VOTE EXE AND THEY ARE VALID. I AGREE, AND RAISE EXE A VOTE ON HIM.
WHAT THE FUCK HAVE I NOT MADE CLEAR.
WHAT THE FUCK.

EVIDNEITIALLY I GOT THE WHOLE FUCKING VI CREW VOTING ME NOW. HOORAYFUCKINGRAY. THIS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT.
ILL FUCKING CLAIM IF THREATENED WITH A HAMMER BUT ALL THE FUCKING VIS ON ME MEAN NOTHING.
THERE WILL BE HARSH WORDS AND BLOODSHED AND BLACKLISTS WHEN THIS IS SAID AND DONE.

CHESSKID ISN'T TRYING.
KATSUKI ISN'T DOING ANYTHING
ENDER IS FLYING UNDER THE RADAR BURNING MASON LODGES AS HE GOES
COOLDOG IS TUNNELING OVER ME BEING NICE AND "OH PPL CANT BE NICE IN MAFIA B/C IM A PRICK"

THIS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT.

I WILL CLAIM WHEN I HAVE SOMEONE WILLING TO HAMMER ME.
BUT THE VI-SQUAD DOES NOT MOVE ME.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF THIS GAME

I get a flailing scum read a mile wide from this post. ATEs, Implicit appeals to consequences of actions, the works.


Especially considering that the "I suck as scum and would do this, this and this" is really wierd prior to any signifigant pressure and just comes off as overly defensive.


Cooldog is dumbtown.


If Andrius is town or there are multiple scum factions, Ender is scum, backed off WAY too easily, timid scum.

I was sold on andy un-till this. This has to be the worst after catchup post I have ever seen. It burns opportunistic scum as well as a non-committal to vote. I don't like it.

unvote, vote: AdumbroDeus

Andy and exe are my next to scum in that order.

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damn, I used the wrong form of the word "to", I'm very stupid this morning, Should read: "Andy and exe are my next two scum..."

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It'd work if it wern't for the fact that you're scum.

I don't buy any of this Town-Andy anger.

WHY THE FUCK NOT.

YOU HAVEN'T EVEN READ THE FUCKING GAME.
YOU ALWAYS FUCKING DO THIS.
NOT READ AND SHEEP WHOEVER.
GOD DO YOU EVEN FUCKING CARE ABOUT PLAYING GAMES OR DO YOU FUCKING /IN LIKE "LOLOLOLOL THIS LOOKS FUN ILL JUST FUCK UP THE GAME FOR EVERYONE BY JOINING".

I DONT BUY YOUR BULLSHIT EITHER.
FUCK.
EXCEPT I KNOW BETTER BECAUSE I KNOW YOU DO THIS AS USELESS TOWN TOO.

This seems really bad. Kat iasn't that bad of a player, this is actually one of his better games. We still have 3-4 days worth before dead-line. I know this is gonna look wishy-washy but I really think andy is scum/CR.

runvote, vote: Andy

, I will be willing to vote for ether exe or that other guy (Adumbro) come deadline.

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I see 3 wagons on people I want to lynch. This is very good.

I'm willing to support all 3, the problem is which one to pick.

@mod, I think you made a mistake in the vote count, I unvoted, and voted: andy

to be sure and avoid any controversy:

unvote, vote:andy

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yes, my keyboard sucks, I know.

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@kat, yes we do have a nice town group going, I love that you ave to anounce it to the world, so the cult know who to recruit.

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I'm still sticking to my Andy vote.

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ADD is looking more scummy, I don't have much time to post so this is what you get:

Andy is trying to suck up, EXE isn't posting much, and ADD is just posting crap.

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you are posting text walls with nothing in them. All fluff, no stuff.

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It was at add, if you were reading the game thread you would have seen that he asked me a question.

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damn, I could have had the hammer, look how andy jumped on the wagon right after parama said that their wasn't scum on it.

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Parama
nachomamma8
Plum
Exe

List of my top scumreads, right here. Drop Exe first.

So looking at: Parama, Nacho, Plum.

Also, I'm going to look into chesskid's play in a game, since he flipped Cult Recruiter and all.

I'll try to be less abrasive and insulting. It just SUCKS when you get into a game you love and with players you love and then its just spoiled by a fourth of the town lurking and stuff. Remember Succession Mafia? I was the only townie who wasn't lurking hardcore. And they wonder why they lost.

Will have to reread/ISO for more insight into these suspects. Going to drop a

Vote: Exe

until the reread.

-Andy

Assuming your scum list is in order, which I think it is. Why are you not voting for Parama? He is on the top of your list.

also defend this post:

Hey guys. I'm totally not feeling the mafia fervor like I used to, and my activity levels are suffering across the board. I'm just fed up with alot of different games and people so I'm not as into the game as I used to be.

Unvote, Vote: Adumbrodeus

More likely CR than Exe.
VAS </3
ender and chess need posting now.
I don't have much to say right now that hasn't been said. My willpower for mafia is at a low, and I'll claim if necessary but will vote ADD/Exe, with ADD over Exe for sure.

-Andy

You jump on the adb wagon without any real reasons.

vote:andy

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Reasons? Ohh, this is chesskid, I shouldn't expect any.

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okay, that's great. I'm voting andy for that, but why are you voting me?

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chesskid, you do know that's wifom right? Holy shit its 8:00! Gotta get off of mafia now.

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Yay, I get to post. hmm... I'm not 100% on the exe case, however he is my number 2 scum player. Andy still reeks, but this flip will tell us alot.

Ender needs to pick up his game. He's a lurking like crazy. Chesskid also needs to up his game, but that's normal.

If exe flips scum andy is very likely to be town. If exe flips town it is a very different story. If exe flips town, I will go back and re-read the game.

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CR wouldn't get bussed
look at the people not voting the CR
Me,Cooldog,Exe,Vas.
Exe is out obv
Exe was going aftrer me as tomorrow's lynch so clearly I'm out, which leaves CoolDog or Vas as the recruit.

Vote: Cooldog

Vas, it's not a bad vote.

Also, Parama, hahah guess I'mthe CR eh?

And so you go after me instead of vas, most likly due to the wagon, okay I get your point.

vote: andy

you die today. I don't care about any shit you pull up, you are getting lynched. Don't even try to defend your actions. You are going to eat rope weather you like it o not.

@ender, and why am I worse then the lurker who didn't give reasons for his votes?

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CooldoG doesn't nead to die before plum, Andy needs to die now.

Parama's posting isn't that good, lurky/fluff but andy is the main target.

Plum is null for me atm, might read more later after I get over this headache.

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bah, this andy thing isn't going anyware. Bah.

vote:parama

Let's at least get some pressure on somebody.

@scum/cult, if you didn't recruit nacho you guys have to be the most epic stupid I have ever seen. But you could have tried, and got bus driven...

looking back parama hasn't said much, and nothing of significance.

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ohhh one thing, if I post something that seems out of place in this thread, its due to the fact that 2-3 players in this game are in another game I'm in, so I might get confused...

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uhhh this game turned odd. I'm not scum or cult, the mod might have forgotten to pm me though, that's always a possibility.

I'm for lynching the claimed cult right now, so ummm lets lynch him shall we?

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Okay, so you want the town to mason you so you can lose the game as cult and win the game as town correct? But, why don't we just end it right here and lynch you so we can use the mason as a cop tonight?

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But why does that help the town? I mean, we can always kill you later. And you haven't refuted the point about the cop.

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So we are going to cop a claimed cultist so we don't have to kill them, when we could cop somebody who we don't know their alignment. If we don't lynch you today then their will have to be a mason recruiter claim (if he cops you)....

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^says the claimed cultist.

I get the logic behind not lynching parama now, I agree with nacho,

unvote, vote: Plum

. l-1

@Chesskid, case plz?
@ender, post plz?
@plum, claim plz?

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okay, I'm semi-back from my v/la. I won't be fully back until Friday evening. I'll be catching up...

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Shut up, I was posting the same thing in all my games. Yay we won!