Cowboy Bebop Remix [Endgame]

[Seraphim]

Vote: Nachomamma8

You know why.

[Seraphim]

Unvote
Vote: UncertainKitten

This is a serious vote.

[Seraphim]

I find the cognitive dissonance between

SO THEREFORE, SINCE HE'S NOT TELLING US WHO THE SCUM ARE, FATE MUST BE SCUM

and

I am quite simply going to ignore whatever absolutely DICKTARDED thing is said that would normally set me off.

funny as all hell.

[Seraphim]

You've already gone back on your word to ignore batshit insane posts, hence cementing your scumminess in my mind. YOU FELL RIGHT INTO MY TRAP. MY IDIOCY PROVOKED A RESPONSE HAHAHAHAHA.

Bounties. Well. It's worth noting that we just need to be on the lynch wagon to get the power which means the majority of the players get their power if we do lynch them. Which means it's entirely possible that the entire scum team could easily get this added power if they just happen to be on the wagon. We'll just have to see how it goes.

I really hate to setup speculate but who is most likely to be scum? I was thinking Vicious might be possible but who the hell would he be partnered with? BTW, I have a vague amount of flavor knowledge, I've watched a few episodes of the show but that's about it, though I do know SOME things.

[Seraphim]

I'm thinking if we pull a player more likely to scum on our bounty we should try to pursue it. For example, does anyone think that this cowboy guy is likely to be scum? I don't know anything about him to be honest.

[Seraphim]

@Untrod: It's from some anime thing or another.

[Seraphim]

I have role information regarding the flavor and who the scum are. I'm not saying anymore.

[Seraphim]

I'm just going to ignore Kdub unless he comes up with some legitimate points.

I actually feel somewhat more comfortable with my vote now however.

[Seraphim]

@GreyICE: how the fuck is that post waffling?

More later.

[Seraphim]

I think my comment was directed towards:

My apologies for forcing that much out.

It felt overly apologetic, like she wanted to dodge accusations of roleclaiming. It was unnecessary when I felt the point was put out just fine that she wasn't going to press the point. I'm not so sure about whether or not it's a scumtell but it definitely felt off to me at the time. It still feels off actually.

You actually feel somewhat more comfortable with your vote however?
Put an extra qualifier or two in there, I'm not sure it has enough conviction behind it.

my vote was "random" before. However means it was an afterthought, a contrast with my previous statement. Somewhat means not all the way, but still stronger than a random vote. Actually means it has transitioned to a more serious vote. I don't see any waffling. Jahudo lines it up pretty nice.

You're better than this, so what's holding you back?

I'm trying to decide whether or not it's worth hunting/lynching the bounty today.

Unvote
Vote: GreyICE

I smell rhetoric.

If this post contained more waffles Seraphim could open a diner.

I have a gut read of my own. You're scum. It's a good gut read. Flavor mechanics, IoA, setup speculation, and more waffles than Jahudo.

Then he backs off.

Deciding to take my comment as a serious accusation rather than an offhand comment about the sentence? Overdefensive.

Also more rhetoric. Looks like baseless qualifiers for weak votes.

I operate on gut reads and change my mind a lot?

self-meta fail.

[Seraphim]

If this post contained more waffles Seraphim could open a diner. Not liking him.

to

Deciding to take my comment as a serious accusation rather than an offhand comment about the sentence?

You use waffling as if it's scummy. Therefore, calling my statement waffling means that you believe my actions are scummy. All of a sudden, the comment becomes an "offhand statement". You're backpedalling, backtracking, what the fuck ever. I think it's backpedalling.

Logic has no place in a game of Mafia.

[Seraphim]

Perhaps I should have said "wikitells" instead of rhetoric. But I think people should be able to tell what I mean.

[Seraphim]

I operate on gut reads and change my mind a lot?

Logic is what I like to operate on.

You make me laugh.

[Seraphim]

it's only six pages and I'm at L-2.

This might be a new record.

CES, you might have to point out what I missed to me, because GreyICE says I'm stupid.

and 3 = 18 in GreyICE world.

[Seraphim]

Personal record obviously, fairly sure that other people have gotten lynched quicker.

Also, GreyICE, what about Toast, man? I'm sure you had like eighteen scumtells on him maaaaaan.

[Seraphim]

I don't care so much that he's voting me. That statement was meant to make a humorous point rather than make an actual query. But interpret it however you like.

[Seraphim]

I'm at L-2, LLD.

[Seraphim]

CES: Oh. That. It was just a joke....the main thrust of my case was in my initial voting post.

Mind explaining how or are you just going to jump onto a popular wagon? Oh wait, too late.

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Vote: Lady Lambdadelta

[Seraphim]

jumping onto a wagon and asking for a claim is idiotic at best, scum-tastic at worst. Can you guess why?

Your use of OMGUS and "hypocrisy" as "scumtell" just continue to cement my vote for you. Your buddy GreyICE can wait.

[Seraphim]

My jokes are what I like to call "post-humor", as that rather than creating amusement for others, I am creating humor for myself.

[Seraphim]

You can believe whatever you want but it won't change your alignment to town.

[Seraphim]

Start reading the game then.

Also, you seem to assume that I'm an idiot. Please don't make that assumption again.

[Seraphim]

I'm looking forward to shoveling out the bullshit you plan on dumping onto this game.

[Seraphim]

You're wasting your time. I'm not getting lynched today.

[Seraphim]

Either two things will happen:

A. people will see the light and lynch your rolefishing ass or GreyICE

B. we play this out to its inevitable conclusion

Neither of these possibilities have me getting lynched.

The voting thing? Puh-leaz. GreyICE was hardly putting pressure on me. You just wanted me to claim, that's hardly pressure, that's rolefishing. You just want my...information.

Also, explain how I misrepped GreyICE please.

Allow me to explain the "backing off" comment. Grey made a comment about me "waffling". He then used this in a context that denoted scumminess when he used it as part of his "case" on Toasty. He defended the comment later, but when pressed further on it by Jahudo, he said it was an offhand comment rather than the accusation he had made it out to be earlier.

GreyICE clearly was not saying it was an offhand statement.

Reading, do you speak it?

[Seraphim]

You were certainly more concerned with my role than my alignment when you made that vote.

Yes, it's a good idea. No, it's not good to vote someone just to push a claim.

[Seraphim]

Alright, lemme cool down for a second. I probably am letting the "heat of the hunt" get to me a little bit.

LLD, humor me for a moment. You claim that you put me at L-1 "for [Seraphim's] posts talking about why GI was voting [Seraphim], and not Toasty!". Do you think this was a pressing reason to put me at L-1? If so, why are you freaking out so much about me voting you for making that vote? Also, better question, where's the Nacho hate? He put you at L-1 for apparently NO reason. Or rather, very little reasoning. For all your yelling about making cases, you seem to have quite a selective bend towards who you want to make cases on you.

BTW, a lot of your posts that you quoted as misreps were either A. not misreps or B. jokes. For instance, the logic one was purely for my own amusement and to elicit a reaction.

[Seraphim]

It's perfectly legitimate to point out the Nacho vote seeing as you're freaking out about me voting you with no reasoning. Nacho puts you at L-1 and you seem perfectly okay with it. I'm not talking about before your noticing of the vote, I'm talking about after. You seem perfectly fine with his vote, saying that he's probably misguided town. I'm not saying you should attack him, I'm just wondering why you're so unconcerned with the vote that put you at L-1 especially since you're claiming the wagon is scum-pushed.

I want you to take a look at the tone of my post in my first case on GreyICE and compare it to when I'm making a post where I "claim" I'm joking. Actually, I'd advice anyone voting me to do so.

Thirdly, they ARE misreps.

Why?

Once again, stop assuming that I'm stupid, please.

The post Vi quoted is, in fact, a logical fallacy. "Ad hominem tu quoque", I think. Actually, that would have been if I had accused GreyICE of doing something....

but the post was a joke playing off the 3 = 18 thing.

[Seraphim]

You misrepped the FUCK out of GreyICE here. All your comments between the quote strips are completely wrong, and trying to support a non-existent case on Grey.

I found your "explanation". This looks to be you restating that it's misrepping.

[Seraphim]

For the love of God, this is clearly a game where humor isn't allowed. I'm not even commenting on the flavor stuff anymore.

Mod: Nacho is a double voter?

Fixed.

[Seraphim]

Rhinox: why GreyICE over LLD? Just curious.

I could honestly fly for either one right now.

[Seraphim]

Also, the Antitown hydra needs to get its ass in here and make some posts.

[Seraphim]

LLD, you're an idiot. Scumhunting becomes rather difficult when every single post I make becomes another tumor on your convoluted "case". Thanks for clearing up any indecision I might have had concerning my vote on you. Tell me, how exactly does it make sense for me to jump off this hot wagon and switch back to another wagon which has one person on it? No, don't say "lol WIFOM" because that's dodging the question at hand.

You keep assuming that I'm stupid. Stop.

I am genuinely interested in what Rhinox has to say.

There is nothing I hate more than editing myself if you haven't already noticed.

[Seraphim]

I've decided to ignore LLD's posts until she starts posting coherently again.

[Seraphim]

oh noes, I will remedy that right now!

Unvote
Vote: GreyICE

....



............


Just kidding.

Unvote
Vote: Lady Lambdadelta

I'll have more to say tomorrow. I'm going to bed right now. Please don't lynch me while I'm gone.

[Seraphim]

I'm about to pound my head into a wall.

[Seraphim]

I need to reread Grey and LLD and try to figure out exactly what I'm doing.

I will admit that rolefishing was a terrible term to use for what I was trying to say, but my point still stands. LLD's posting previous to voting me looks like she was more concerned with my claim and my role than whether or not I was actually scummy.

[Seraphim]

BTW, for someone who has a case built around the fact that I'm supposedly misrepping people, continuing to misrep my "rolefishing" point and spinning it as a scumtell seems pretty shady.

[Seraphim]

Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.

[Seraphim]

why mention this now, after most have decided that your argument is inadequate?

Connect your own fucking dots. And who's most? LLD? I would hardly count her as "most".

There are certainly other points, like that most of her content before voting consisting solely of mechanic speculation, flavor speculation, and votes based upon aforementioned categories of play.

more importantly, which previous posts suggests that she was more concerned with a claim. Doesn't matter what a post "looks like" if there's nothing actually there.

The fact that her previous "suspicion" of me amounts to depreciating comments concerning a post made mostly in jest. The fact that she wants a claim despite the lack of lynching intent on the wagon on me is clearly a slip on her concerns to my role rather than my alignment, a scum motivation.

@Jahudo: Why did you leave LLD, GreyICE, and Seraphim off your list? Its a very fair post, just curious about that.

Please connect the dots, sir. You can figure this out on your own. What do the three players you've listed have in common?

Toast is either mentally sluggish or scum BTW. His 292 may be the most useless post anyone has made all game and Lady Lambdadelta has a fucking novel for an ISO.

[Seraphim]

I have no clue what you're talking about in your first point. Honestly.

The question may have been directed at Jahudo but it doesn't make it any less useless. It's pretty obvious why those particular players were excluded.

Mod: V/LA until Sunday

Actually, I think this is BaM, so it doesn't matter, but I might as well post it anyway. I should have internet access, but it's worth noting.

[Seraphim]

So, let's have a dialogue.

I've been thinking, during my trip, and just reading through the thread, trying to put pieces together. I'm going to post more concrete reasons later, why exactly I'm making this switch and this almost complete 180 from my original stance. I think I'm more frustrated over LLD's play than her actual alignment.

As an author who does a lot of character stuff, it's important to get the motivation. Scum, to decieve, town to find scum. Two motivations, generally. Running through my head, I could see some very unlikely possibilities and motivations for LLD for her actions, to try and figure out exactly what was going on. I think she's going through the exact same damn thing as me, a complete and utter frustration with another player.

Scumteam is GreyICE, Toasty, and Jahudo. Remember that I called this now.

Unvote
Vote: GreyICE

It's the perfect storm of conformity and original ideas. The other players are either visible enough or not visible enough, Jahudo and Toasty are right on the edge of the vision, a little blip you can't shake. GreyICE just happened to get targeted because of his initial push on me.

People are going to give me shit for this switch and I'm fully ready to assume those consequences.

[Seraphim]

Why is it fucking horrible?

BTW, if I'm scum, who I am scum with? Think carefully before you answer.

[Seraphim]

The first comment was directed at the CES-Fate difference, not my reads.

[Seraphim]

I'm an idiot, what can I say.

[Seraphim]

lol there's a few things wrong with me and Vi being scum that I think a quick reread will unveil. I dunno if Vi is scum or not(leaning quite heavily on not), but the idea of us being buddies together is laughable.

Hey, LLD, you talk about me attacking players who put pressure on me. Reread Grey in iso, there's a similar, if subtler, pattern.

[Seraphim]

Hardly. I'm merely using your ideas of scumtells to my own evil ends to manipulate you into voting with me, destroying your values and turning you into a black, soul-sucking demon leech.

If you think I'm talking about voting history, Grey, you're less intelligent than I gave you credit for.

[Seraphim]

You'd think I'd be a bit more subtle about the whole "why not this guy tell" thing if I was scum, especially after doing it the first time.

Grey:
You attacked Toast, then switched to me as soon as you could.
You've been attacking me, but have almost entirely switched your focus to Vi, while keeping your vote on the viable wagon, me.
Now I'm attacking you again and we're(Vi and I) scumbuddies.

Kitten - you suspecting and attacking townies on day 1 is pretty much a town tell. Or at least null. Why in all hells would I be suspicious of you for it?

lol buddying

Anyway, need to poke around a bit before I decide how to proceed.

That's what he said.

[Seraphim]

People are going to give me shit for this switch and I'm fully ready to assume those consequences.

This is the invite to the dialogue.

certainly I will have more later, but I need to sleeeeeeep.

[Seraphim]

That's not completely true, Toasty is totally bussing his buddy, Grey.

LLD: who is scum with me?

[Seraphim]

watching the scum turn on each other is hilarious.

More later. I promise a beautiful novella full of reads and other delicious morsels which I'm sure you will digest with pleasure.

[Seraphim]

Vi: I'll get to it, I promise. I just have other things to do right now, something I'm sure you can appreciate.

LLD: Fuck evidence. Mafia is a game of conflicting motivations, not facts. The only hard facts are corpses and they're dead. Let's hear those reads.

[Seraphim]

Let's pretend I flip scum then, which you seem rather convinced of. Who would you pursue as my partners? I know you don't think they mean anything without my corpse, but they do, shockingly.

[Seraphim]

Elaborate further. And give us those speculated reads while you're at it.

[Seraphim]

But I thought you weren't going to make alignment decisions based on an unmade flip because it's just gut and not based on any concrete evidence?

If you have no problem saying GreyICE is town based on my presumed alignment, why the fuck do you have such an issue saying who is scum based on my being scum?

[Seraphim]

So, what you're saying is that you have no good reason to believe GreyICE is town?

[Seraphim]

I don't see fucking scum intent and I certainly never said that. Now who's misrepping? I'm just frustrated that you won't answer the damn question. My conclusion is perfectly logical based on your logic.

1. You shouldn't give the names of who you believe to be my potential buddies because it's based on my flip which hasn't happened yet.
2. Because it's based on a flip that hasn't happened yet, you should not state those reads because they are worthless without a flip.
3. Therefore, these theoretical scum reads are useless without a flip.
4. GreyICE is theoretically town because you believe I am scum.
5. Therefore, you have no reason to believe GreyICE is town because it is useless without a flip.

It is a perfectly logical conclusion that, because your theoretical scum reads are useless, your town reads based on flips should be similar as well. Your town read on GreyICE is based on my flip as scum. Therefore, you have no reason to believe GreyICE is town until I flip scum.

Is there a hole in my logic that I'm missing?

[Seraphim]

Which brings me back to my original point: if you have no problem stating town reads based on my flip, why do you have such a problem posting scum reads based on my alignment?

[Seraphim]

In all complete honesty, I could definitely see GreyICE trying to attack Toasty as a distancing attempt if he thought he was going to be lynched for sure.

I think speculating about it is sorta pointless at this juncture until one of them flips.

[Seraphim]

This seems inconsistent with your attack on LL for not giving her conditional scum reads based on your hypothetical flip. If she had answered you, wouldn't that have just been the same type of speculation?

I do agree that it's mostly useless but it doesn't mean that you should withhold the information like that. Even though I believe LLD is town, it forces her to take a stand regarding her current scum reads.

It's a much, much weaker version of claiming a power role but withholding results until you see whether or not a player flips a certain alignment. Unless she's got a better reason than "I don't think they're important", I don't see any reason why she's making such a big deal about hiding them.

I do, however, disagree about your conclusion, which shouldn't come as a shock. I personally think my wagon has stagnated and, with GreyICE removing his vote, has a high likelihood of stagnating and dying in not too long...or perhaps I'm a bit optimistic. But even then, it's clear that moving his vote to a new wagon looks pro-active and town and he certainly isn't harming himself by making a move like that.

[Seraphim]

What I do know is that despite being called on it, he is STILL doing nothing to help the town.

A vote for GreyICE is a vote for progress!

[Seraphim]

I think it's about time to get working on those posts I promise a while back. If anyone is online currently, feel free to shoot me any questions while I make this multipart monster.

[Seraphim]

I'm probably going to unvote GreyICE(sad that there's no point in making a giant post but I guess that's just the backlash for my procrastinating) but I want to play Devil's Advocate.

GreyICE: why are you so sure that the scum is the Red Dragon clan?

[Seraphim]

Alright, I call bullshit, I must have missed that part of your claim before.

I claim Vicious and I'm town. I'm not part of any 'faction', though it says I am the enforcer of the Red Dragon clan. I'm not claiming any powers.

[Seraphim]

I've got sort of a tinfoil hat theory that the bounty hunters in the game are scum and that the hunted are town and that your role may be a cheap way to confirm a member of the town...and if Spike's in the game, he's some sort of godfather? This idea is sorta dampened by the fact that I have no fucking idea how that would be balanced and the fact that I have a bounty power.

I hope my setup speculation makes a wee bit more sense from this angle.

But honestly, I have no clue what to think right now.

[Seraphim]

........UK, are you honestly suggesting that we lynch me REGARDLESS of my alignment?

[Seraphim]

I was thinking Vicious might be possible but who the hell would he be partnered with?

BTW, if this is worth anything, I definitely breadcrumbed here. I was legitimately wondering who the fuck might else be scum if my character, someone who I was totally expecting to me scum, wasn't.

[Seraphim]

Vi, my role heavily implies Vicious is scum. But I don't trust it because it looks like flavor. I do, however, have something NOT in the flavor for my role PM that says I'm a member of the Red Dragon clan. It's not an ability or faction indicator however.

[Seraphim]

whoooooa.

Okay

I think I might have copied a quote or something.

I shit that up.

Lemme try that again...

[Seraphim]

Everyone ignore that last post. I was doing a number of things at once and must have accidentally posted it.

Vi, my role heavily implies Vicious is scum. But I don't trust it because it looks like flavor.

I would like to know exactly what about your role implies that Vicious is scum.

I am not going to fullclaim until everyone weighs in. That includes UT, CES, and Antitown. I do, however, have something NOT in the flavor for my role PM that says I'm a member of the Red Dragon clan. It's not an ability or faction indicator however. I could definitely see this being some sort of miller indicator...sort of like how a vig turns up guilty to a gunsmith. A Vig doesn't have in this role PM specifically that will turn up guilty to gunsmith investigations.

[Seraphim]

Vi, my role heavily implies Vicious is scum. But I don't trust it because it looks like flavor.

This is a Jahudo quote fucktards. I TRIED TO QUOTE JAHUDO AND FORGOT TO PUT QUOTE TAGS AROUND IT. BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO POST THAT. HOLY FUCKING SHIT.

GI: what is your role name? I know you have one.

Still waiting to hear back from Jahudo.

I investigate as one, because people assume I'm still in the RDC.

Is this a joke?

[Seraphim]

I am going to fullclaim but first of all, I found scum, I think.

Unvote
Vote: Vi

I'm Spike. To be completely honest, I am a lyncher. Yeah, that's right. A lyncher. I wasn't exactly happy when I found out. My goal is to lynch Vicious. My claim was a gambit to find out if GreyICE's role was legitimate and also to hopefully draw out some sort of counterclaim for my role. I would have loved to have heard more reactions but you folks decided I was scum in the meantime. >_> The sad part is that I legitimately tried to scumhunt and help the town. I figured that Vicious would be a scumrole.

I have a one-shot vengeful kill that can be used if I'm NK'd or lynched. If anyone decides to prematurely lynch me, they are biting the bullet. That is a promise, not a threat. Scum who want to kill me also get the off-chance of a bullet through their brain.

I have a bounty power that allows me to start investigating if a player is Vicious or not Vicious. These results return as Vicious or Not Vicious.

Given that Vi just probably softclaimed my role...well...a boom boom boom boom.

You folks might as well help me. I can be of great service and no one needs to die. Just scum...we have mutual interests after all.

[Seraphim]

I was expecting counter-claim at best, some indication that they knew I was lying at worst.

Jahudo acting awkwardly it about it was my best lead until Vi decided to softclaim my role.

BTW, have I ever told you guys how much I hate my role? Like, a lot?

[Seraphim]

*looks at wiki*

*pounds head against wall*

Julia could still be scum, I guess. But not as much as I thought. Pfffft. Julia as miller seems really off though. hmmm.

blaaaargh.

I'll keep my vote. Better than anything else I could do right now I guess.

[Seraphim]

I can honestly be helpful. Plus, I want to lynch scum sooooo. I have no idea whether or not I leave once Vicious is dead BTW but I'm assuming I do.

[Seraphim]

I'll keep my vote. Better than anything else I could do right now I guess.

but Vi has claimed to not be vicious, so isn't it against your wincon to leave your vote there?


you guys think that Vi-scum would plan a miller claim from her opening post?

No. Yes.

[Seraphim]

Logic has no place in a game of Mafia.

[Seraphim]

Does that mean I get your gut, your spleen, your big toe, and your left ear if I'm telling the truth?

[Seraphim]

Bounty rewards are not cumulative, as such receiving another bounty reward will have no effect on any player's abilities

I do have a bounty reward. Per Bounty, I can Hide.

?????????

[Seraphim]

I win if Vicious dies either by my hand or before I die. So yes, if I use my vengeful kill on him, I win.

[Seraphim]

I am more than willing to help the town as it aligns with my win condition. I don't need to be a distraction if you don't want me to be. I have no problem scumhunting, in fact scumhunting is definitely something that aids me because the person I am hunting is most likely scum. I can't be of any help dead.

[Seraphim]

I have no idea whether or not Vi is Vicious. That's the problem. I do believe Vi is scum which gives me an approximate 1/3rd chance of Vi being Vicious.

Look: scum have NO REASON to want me alive. Scum have no reason to want me to win with them because my win condition involves me killing off one of their members. We can get along, there is no reason to lynch me.

We can get along! We can co-exist! Our win conditions are not mutually exclusive.

[Seraphim]

Or I could very easily just shoot into the crowd out of spite.

I may also have other information that I have withheld up until this point.

You never know.

[Seraphim]

Actually, fun fact: Fate has informed me that I stay in the game once I win, but I get to stick around with all of my abilities.

lol.

[Seraphim]

For those following along at home, we have four days until deadline. Let's make a Vi lynch happen, please thank you.

[Seraphim]

In that case, it seems like it's just a one-shot Hide. Thanks for confirming that the issue exists though~

Buuuuuullshiiiiit. Even look at the original rules:

There is no bonus for earning repeated bounty rewards

Either you really fucked up and you're town. I tend to believe Jahudo's claim because he claimed AFTER it was clarified that the Red Dragon Clan was the scum faction. What kind of scum motivation is that, to contradict what had already been stated? Then again, there's always the possibility that he also screwed up his fakeclaim, just like Vi did. Maybe they're scum together? I have no clue.

My flip will solve NOTHING. I can guarantee I will NOT shoot any of the claimed millers BTW because I think neither of them are Vicious. So you will still have that to deal with in the morning. So, killing me solves absolutely nothing in resolving these inconsistencies. Let's lynch a claimed miller and see what happens.

[Seraphim]

Check GI's iso. If you believe he is 100% totes confirmed super town, you probably would have read the part where he talks about his role being a one-shot alignment cop that discerns whether or not someone is in the RDC.

[Seraphim]

Also, especially if I don't have a vengeful kill, you STILL have to deal with the millers tomorrow.

[Seraphim]

Because not everyone has their head set in "tunnel vision" mode like you and UK?

Honestly, lynching claimed third-party makes zero sense right now. Let's deal with the miller situation, see if we can't confirm some town or force scum to deal with it.

[Seraphim]

no, read GreyICE's claim, he specifically stated that RDC IS scum because he claims to be an alignment cop.

I have a feeling that one of: Vi, GreyICE, Jahudo is completely and totally lying. There is scum here.

We need to hear from Rhinox, CES, UT, Antitown, and Toasty. They all need to take a stand on the two competing wagons, the only other player I could see getting lynched today is Jahudo, and his claim makes no sense in context.

UK: Later, once you've seen my role PM, feel free to spell out exactly how you would play my role.

[Seraphim]

People voting me: explain how both Vi and Jahudo can be town

OR

how it makes sense for one or both of them to be scum with me

[Seraphim]

We had this discussion before in the QT but claiming anything else was going to turn me into NK bait, and I needed two days. If you didn't lynch me, we could have lynched scum....just saying. My gambit actually did net me Vicious.

I have some words for GreyICE.