Mini 1113 - Brotherhood of the Wolf Mafia

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:03 pm

Well, why not vote him while you wait? I don't think anyone would jump on you for switching back to Zang if things don't add up.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:11 pm

Mostly for later game vote analysis purposes. The only things you can actually trust in mafia are votes and flips. Vote analysis is a pain and I'm lazy, but I do like to sprinkle some in as we start narrowing things down.

So, instead of you voting UT because you suspect him, I'd see a gap in your voting history and probably find that curious.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:26 pm

@GI: What happened to it being good for scum to know who Zang roleblocked?

I also would like the answer as AGM is pressing. It feels like you're evading the question.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:31 pm

Hey, I happen to like Fate, Mari

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UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:38 pm

I'll admit it's interesting SC replaces out NOW after I've posted some reasonably good reasons for him to die, rather than earlier when he considered us insulting to him. I'd consider the "learn to read" thing more demotivating then just some cases.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:40 pm

GI, are you planning to answer the question? Am I right in guessing that you are abandoning your criticisms of AGM's theory?

Also, I have a plan to move out. It'll take a couple years, but I know I can do it.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:46 pm

AGM, AKR has been in the back of my mind for a while regarding GI.

@GI: What happened to it being good for scum to know who Zang roleblocked?

Also, that doesn't answer AGM's question. Can you use his two options OR produce a third?

I don't mind you questioning, but I do mind you evading.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:47 pm

He answered that portion. He didn't complete the rest. About what he thinks of your theory.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:16 pm

@GI: OK. So how does knowing Zang's target make it easier for the scum to kill him? The fact that he's outted as a roleblocker already does the damage you propose. Why did you say asking his targets was something scum would want?

@AGM: It's actually a reasonable conjecture that all QT groups are on the same level. That said,

there is no confirmation scum have daytalk

@UT: Can you elaborate on all three reads?

@AGM: Not sure I see things your way. Can you explain the contradiction?

@Mina: We're making headway. I think important things are coming to light. I know it sucks to keep getting cut, but please bear with it.

@GI: AGM actually didn't call me scum when I questioned him earlier in the game. Now, I HAVE run into games where neighbors didn't have daytalk and scum did. And vice versa. So it's not certain. But I see where you're coming from.

@AGM: Not reading it as that. It reads as GI changing his read as more information came to light.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:21 pm

@GI: Still waiting for a response from you on the RB target question.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:31 pm

@AGM: The daytalk thing mainly. Things seem to flow from that.

Granted, that evasion kinda irritated me. And it does reflect badly on GI. I don't see him as worse than my current favorites, but I am willing to consider him more than I was.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:36 pm

What about LMP and Reck both being utterly useless but pretending they've been productive?

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:41 pm

So, you're going to blatantly lie. Good show Zang. You've been either active lurking or lurking all game. You haven't made a post of substance yet and your above post fits the same pattern. Now all I need to do is check if you cared about Mari in the past and I'll probably have checkmate.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:48 pm

OK, I'm willing to buy a Mari block...except...you were voting SC at the end of the day yesterday. Why didn't you block him!?

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:52 pm

What the hell GI? I didn't say that >=[! Quote properly >=[!

UncertainKitten · Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:13 am

You are aware you're not going to get a mislynch on me, right scum?

UncertainKitten · Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:51 am

We should just lynch the slot and save MoI the trouble. Do you really think any replacement can suddenly erase how utterly terrible LMP and Reck were?

UncertainKitten · Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:08 am

Zang wouldn't be a bad lynch, I guess. It's just at this point, why replace a slot that's going to get lynched eventually.

But, I'll go with Zang if necessary.

@Mina: The thing is, we're NOT punishing a quitter. LOOK AT RECK AND LMPs ISOs! THEY ARE PRETTY FUCKING SCUMMY! We'd be lynching someone who is, by all rights, scummy. NOT lynching someone just because they quit. Please don't misrep me.

UncertainKitten · Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:34 pm

We could always lynch LMP before MoI replaces him ^-^.

Or we could lynch Zang since if we ignore the role bullshit he still comes out as scum.

UncertainKitten · Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:44 pm

I'm calling in the big guns for SC. I've poked some familiar names about replacing in. It should at least give the game a bit more life, so I wanna keep SC's slot alive at least a little longer to see what happens.

UncertainKitten · Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:45 pm

EBWOP: And yes, I'm stronger in my LMP scum read than my SC scum read, though LMP hadn't replaced out at the time I went poking.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:18 am

AGM posts a compelling case. Why the FUCK did you conjecture AGM was a vig, GI?

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:32 am

Well, I'd like to say that's ridiculous but I've been in a game with an SK with a TON of missed kills, so I can't say it's outside the realm of possibility.

I AM happy with the idea of lynching Zang right now and sorting out the rest later.

Admittedly, an SK/scum pair would be irritatingly...mundane and also rather cruel to the SK. Thought of doing it once but Vi dissuaded me.

@AGM cut: You know what? You might be right. You know what will help this chain the most right now? Lynching Zang. Then you shoot GI. If he flips town, we lynch your ass because I find his reasoning somewhat logical. If he flips scum, we'll follow your chain to completion.

Willing to make that bet, AGM?

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:35 am

@GI: Eh, I'd believe it. I've made crazier set ups, I'm certain. Of course, I also throw a LOT of power on the scum to counteract what I give town.

The big thing is, I don't know MoIs modding style or what he'd throw in a set up.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:38 am

GI! Do you have any objections to my proposed course of action? You're kinda involved in the mess so your opinion does matter. Are you that confident in your reads? And your alignment?

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:40 am

Where is he claiming that, AGM? I don't see it. He IS being cavalier with his assumptions though.

Can you now? That's quite a lot of power if so, AGM.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:43 am

Unfortunately, I have a fuckton of work to do which sucks because I wanted to sit on this discussion because it's fun. Most fun I've had all game, really. Things are getting real, and I like it when things get real. But, I'll have to work for a few hours. Should be back around 4 PM EST.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:46 am

Did you miss the part where I said if you die and flip town, we're lynching AGM out of hand unless he has DAMN good infallible evidence for his townness?

And did you miss the part where your power role is fucking useless?

You won't be "letting him off the hook"

I find your desire for self preservation, given those facts, disturbing.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:49 am

You could also claim scum now and I'll take your accusations under consideration. No shame in claiming scum to out an SK. Did it before. Almost got her lynched too but everyone derped it the fuck up. Fortunately, you have me around to make sure it DOESN'T GET DERPED THE FUCK UP >=[!

@GI: Ah, right, the day night thing.

I...actually don't really give a damn at this point. The game isn't about power roles, it's about scum hunting. We have a situation that leads to most of the scum being killed with your death. What power role justifies staying alive over lynching TWO scum with reasonable certainty?

And finally, what do you think will prevent AGM from shooting you anyway?

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:07 am

You DO realize outted SKs pretty much have to be used as vigs, right? Or get lynched. So we're going to use AGM as a vig, and NOT fucking lynch him yet, thank you GI.

Also, bulletproof isn't that fucking powerful. Get over yourself.

Hell, I've used UNTARGETTABLES in games with one kill.

Especially limited bulletproof? I have a few guesses as to how you're limited.

So, we're lynching fucking Zang, we're voting on an AGM kill, and then we figure out what the hell to do with you and AGM.

To that end, my vote is that AGM kill LMP.

(And yes, I should be working but the state of affairs in this game was distracting me)

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:29 am

@GI: You underestimate me. How many times have I pulled the bullshit you suggest off as SK myself? You've read my gaming history. I know how to play third party. And I know how to get it lynched when it's usefulness has run out.

AGM is good. But you know what? I'm fucking better!!!

...GI, you fucking hammered Zang. What the hell? We were supposed to fucking vote on AGM's kill.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:35 am

Oh, by the way, what are we doing if by some miracle Zang flips town? (Not that it'll happen, but we never DID cover that base...)

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:44 am

I'll note confirmation bias is a bitch. If the dots start connecting too much you might wanna start from scratch.

General advice. But we'll have a flip to see where it leads soon enough

@Mari: Don't think so at all, just was wondering if anyone had a plan if the impossible happened.

Also, do you think my batshit CD theory might be worth revisiting if Zang flips town?

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:56 am

I believe in the power of positive thinking ^-^.

UncertainKitten · Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:07 am

Yeah, clearly there's a mistake. LMP flipped town.

What the hell LMP? Why would you even play like that?

So, now what do we do?

First, AGM's usefulness is outlived...theoretically today, unless we lynch or shoot scum.

So, we have two options. The safe bet which is lynch AGM. The awesome risky bet that cool people do though, is to LYNCH SOME FUCKING SCUM TODAY. And then have AGM shoot the other scum! And then we lynch AGM and we're all like YAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!

Which plan is everyone else voting for?

UncertainKitten · Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:30 am

We're in mylo tomorrow no matter what.

AGM is almost certainly an SK.

So, Plan A is lynch AGM, someone dies, leaving us with (assumably) 4:2

Plan B is lynch or shoot someone who's scum, hopefully, or else we're screwed, and lead into, as a worst case:

3:1:1

We lynch AGM, and go into F3 and hope we win.

UncertainKitten · Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:41 am

@Spy: You missed the part where I damn well support lynching scum today, as opposed to AGM.

@Mina: Why? It's important we determine how we're doing this, because OTHERWISE WE END UP IN A PRISONER'S DILEMMA!

UncertainKitten · Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:49 am

No, my course is LYNCH FUCKING SCUM TODAY, lynch AGM, go to F3, lynch scum, win.

UncertainKitten · Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:56 am

Well, I said I was bringing in a good player. And admit it, AGM, you know SpyreX being here is making this game 100% better, regardless of his alignment.

Oh, btw, what is your proof about the whole being town thing you mentioned yesterday?

UncertainKitten · Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:01 am

That's really really not compelling evidence. For one, no proof you're a doctor. And two, see Insane Asylum II. SK doctor.

Now, as for scum calling you SK, see Higurashi mafia. I claimed scum after a truly terrible situation and *correctly* pointed out the SK. Town didn't listen because I was "confirmed scum".

This thinking is slippery.

@SpyreX: Why do you believe him? Secondly, didn't we figure that AGM got attacked for some reason?

And, finally, I still don't wanna lynch AGM today, so that's settled.

UncertainKitten · Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:04 am

@GI: And? What do I care about a name? Did you even read my post? THE NAME IS NOT THE FUCKING POINT!

@AGM: Not confirmed but a decent lynch.

UncertainKitten · Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:06 am

Because it's entirely possible he deduced you were a vig from behavior? Naw, that never happens.

Why are you even arguing with me? I'm not opposed to a GI lynch, I just want to think things through when I have time to look at things.

UncertainKitten · Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:49 pm

Uh...uncertain tripod? What? I'm kinda insulted GI.

Hi UT. Good job unvoting your scumbuddy.

K, UT's post was all I needed. GI and UT are our targets.

UncertainKitten · Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:50 pm

Anyway, he's at L-2 right now, so I won't put him at L-1 yet.

UncertainKitten · Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:54 pm

Oh, and since my vote isnt out yet.

Vote Untrod Tripod

Sorry about overlooking that.

UncertainKitten · Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:15 pm

Long story short, you're trying to have it both ways without explanation. That seems rather manufactured now that you got called on it. Care to elaborate why GI doesn't work as Zang's buddy? Zang the pretty much imminently bussable?

Short story long would be a Tale of Two Cities.

UncertainKitten · Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:17 pm

As for not voting GI, don't wanna let him get hammered before we coordinate whatever we're planning to coordinate.

UncertainKitten · Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:19 pm

First you're all gung ho for Gray Ice. But magically when he's getting fully wagoned and the uncertainty fades, you back off without any reasoning. HOW CONVENIENT!!!

Did you miss the imminently bussable part? You did? Oh, yeah, Zang is imminently bussable.

You're go Mr. Oh Shit I Don't Have An Answer Quick Evade The Question

UncertainKitten · Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:19 pm

EBWOP: Should be eminently

UncertainKitten · Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:22 pm

Well, what else would have stuck?

And that's quite a lot of town cred if you had gotten it to lynch. Enough to be worth someone as useless as Zang.

You still haven't answered my question. Why are you evading my question? Don't have an answer Scumpants McGee?

UncertainKitten · Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:30 pm

That's better UT. Also, I rechecked events. I thought Zang was trending before your post. Turns out SC was trending more, along with a few others.

Admittedly, dislike the misrep here. When the scum is THAT ridiculously bad, bussing becomes a LOT more likely.

That said, you had other options at that time. There IS the possibility you didn't think the case would take off though, since it came from you. I'm not sold on your townness but see it as possible.

UncertainKitten · Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:34 pm

So, now I have a quandry. At this point, I'm REASONABLY sure the last two scum are in UT, GI, and SpyreX. A little less certain since LMP would have been my pick before UT and GI. I also am beginning to get the GW hate since he seems to magically disappear when no one is looking at him. UT has a fair point about Zang, one defeatable but still reasonably decent. GI is too close to lynch for me to slam my vote on him. And, honestly, I like SpyreX thus far, though he's generally a good player regardless of alignment.

I also like keeping my vote down because it's a concrete show of my opinions. So...yeah...

@UT: Because Zang is Zang. I had a CD read on him until I did my partial reread, and then AGM came out with his stuff and it quite honestly became a huge fucking mess. And then the wagon kinda hit L-1 and I wasn't going to hammer til we worked things out. Fair enough?

UncertainKitten · Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:40 pm

EBWOP: Oh, right, I also forgot that with LMP's slot being replaced, and my certainty in my read on him, I was pushing him over Zang for convenience. OK.

UncertainKitten · Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:51 pm

@AGM: Difference is motive. UT oscillated. I've been fairly consistent in my suspicion but wasn't on the wagon.

@UT: Um, that's hilarious because that's exactly what that post says.

UncertainKitten · Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:54 pm

@Spy: I have no idea how the fuck you saw Reck Town. Both he AND LMP didn't produce a damned LICK of content all game.

Clearly they still magically flipped town, but they were amazingly bad.

UncertainKitten · Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:13 pm

@UT: The big thing is you didn't explain it. You have now and it makes you look a little better.

Well, I DID find LMP pretty damn scummy. I might have been emphasizing this to get his lynch. Clearly I was wrong.

UncertainKitten · Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:24 am

So, GI, you're accusing a lot of people at this point.

Can you narrow it down to two or three suspects with a nice summary of each?

UncertainKitten · Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:29 am

I dragged him in cause I was sick of this game and saw a way to spice it up. I *do* try to have fun you know.

Well, your gut is right on me, but, I have an increasing suspicion that you don't need gut to know I'm town. Your role PM probably lists that I'm not your buddy ^-^.

But, hey, I'll give you this. SpyreX is a plausible buddy to you, for the sins of SC. And you do have a couple points, particularly the fact Spy was willing to drop AGM on the doctor thing and I'm like "what?" over here about that still.

UncertainKitten · Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:32 am

EBWOP: Might as well money where my mouth is for now.

Sorry Spy.

Unvote, Vote SpyreX

SC really just made things nigh impossible for you. Granted, I still think we should lynch GI today, but I don't wanna open things up to a scum quickhammer.

That said, you made a good entry and I thank you for joining us for even a little bit. Made me feel so much better about this game.

UncertainKitten · Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:45 am

@Spy: Oh, I knew there would have to be two parts to the claim. I fully expected that. But the thing is...uh...THAT DOESN'T SAY A FUCKING THING ABOUT HIS ALIGNMENT! BECAUSE ZANG SCUM ALSO HAD TWO PARTS!!!

@UT: I'd lynch GI now. Bugged by AKR and GI's activity has oscillated between useful and insane.

UncertainKitten · Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:52 pm

Mmm...the 1 v. 1 play makes me think SpyreX is trying to set it up so that GI *obviously* isn't scum or SpyreX *obviously* isn't scum once one of them flips scum.

Just sayan'.

UncertainKitten · Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:54 pm

Wouldn't lynch Mari, Mina, AGM (today), myself, or...actually, really, that's it.

I PROBABLY wouldn't lynch GW but I don't see that as an impossible scum.

UncertainKitten · Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:55 pm

Why yes, this does leave my targets as GI, UT, and SpyreX.

HOW SURPRISING!

UncertainKitten · Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:12 pm

@Mina: Isn't that what they are doing? Attacking each other?

UncertainKitten · Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:28 pm

And yeah, I saw that. Not sure I care because promises are cheap. I've gotten away with the "If X happens, lynch me." And gotten out of it. I know you at least have that ability too SpyreX.

You also know we have to lynch AGM tomorrow if GI flips scum.

But I bet you knew that, didn't you?

UncertainKitten · Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:39 pm

Because AGM is the fucking SK, and if he isn't we still need to be sure?

Have you just been not paying attention to the fact that the reason we need to lynch scum today is so we can AFFORD to lynch AGM SK?

@AGM: Did you miss the part where I want my opinions backed by a vote, BUT I plan to lynch GrayIce today? Just I'm not going to put him at "LOL QUICKLYNCH!!!" range? Until we're certain we want to end the day?

Yeah, you missed that part.

@AGM: I might actually consider that. (Lynching both scum then you). Depends on how confident I am after GI flips scum.

Fair nuff?

UncertainKitten · Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:42 pm

Oh, no, you see SpyreX, if it comes down to my will versus yours, you ain't got a snowball's chance in hell. So, let's just hope that things don't come to that conflict, eh?

@AGM: No idea but I want to sound all bad ass now so don't interrupt!

UncertainKitten · Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:44 pm

MY RIGHT SHIFT IS BIGGER THAN YOUR CAPS LOCK!!!!!!!

Not anymore it isn't ... well not completely anyway.

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:14 am

OH HELLZ YEAH! SHIT'S GETTING REAL NOW!

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:53 am

I KNOW! IT'S AWESOME!

HUGE THANKS YOUS TO SPYREX, FATE, AND GI!!!

Ok, enough silliness. At this point, what precisely are we waiting for re:anyone?

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:55 am

...really Mari

? B-but I partially joined the game to play with you...

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:58 am

@Mina: I'll keep em in line. Admittedly, I agree about not wanting to face that scum team. But yanno what? At least the game is *fun* now. And that's the overarching goal I think.

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:03 am

...Well, I respect your wishes. I just wish you had finished out. It was fun playing with you...

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:12 am

I've poked someone to stand in for Mari, but I don't think I'll get them. If they reply no, I'll poke someone else.

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:35 am

All right, I found someone ELSE cool for Mari. She's poking MoI now.

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:19 am

Hey, LLD, guess how many pages I got in before I had to give up before I got an aneurysm! I bet you can't beat my record!

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:28 am

>Implying I at all know about purple text.
>Implying that you can use it.

@UT: Fine, fine. But seriously, D1 was terrible. Some cynicism might be required to survive it.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:17 am

IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE IF FATE WERE POSTING HERE INSTEAD OF ALL HIS OTHER GAMES MAYBE!!!!

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:24 am

We did our best Fate. I'm just sad that we caught more bad players than scum.

Also, I once ran a mini with 79 pages! It was my first one!

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:56 am

@Fate: No, we aren't killing LLD. She can actually play mafia. Regardless of whatever shitty opinion you have of her, it's inaccurate. So, yeah, step off.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:59 am

I doubt it. There are too many *other* targets founded in logic. And plus, you know I have carry as well. It'd be fun fighting you, but how about you catch scum instead.

LMP was killed by AGM
CD was killed by the scum.

Yes. You read that right.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:02 am

I do have a town read on her slot, yes. Mostly because I have a set of three people I'm sure I'll find two scum in.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:59 am

That's L-1 for those watching at home. There BETTER not be quick hammer.

/me glares at everyone.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:11 pm

Hey, Fate, what do you think of this?

Scum in UT, SpyreX, and GI?

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:00 pm

Well, here's the question we really need to be asking.

Even if you're right...this makes you town...how?

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:15 pm

Well, the thing is, I don't see anything that convinces me you're that town. Outting the SK benefits scum as well. A prisoner's dilemma isn't amazingly great for them.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:13 pm

@SpyreX: At this point, I'm confident enough that we'll lynch scum twice in a row that the AGM SK thing can be solved without risks.

@AGM: Well, we could go for the record!

More seriously, I want LLD and Fate to finish catching up and I'll be glad to hammer/vote.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:23 pm

I told you already, it's in SpyreX/GI/UT. And those first two are the ones I want dead. The fact Fate is supporting this, and you appear to be leaning that way, emboldens my reads.

You'll probably run into it as you get into D3.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:50 pm

Not to mention I've claimed the hammer?

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:51 pm

@Fate: Don't see why Spy isn't scum.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:19 pm

It's UT or SpyreX.

Unless GI was WIFOMING us but fuck that shit, UT and Spy can get rope on their own.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:24 pm

That's basically the *thing*. SC was bad enough Spy can't erase it. Though I plan to look over how they were in relation to the GI wagon. My gut says Spy is marginally better given how he treated AGM after the claim.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:40 pm

Well, except on the off chance you ARE town it puts us in Mylo and potentially a prisoner's dilemma. The "safe" lynch is AGM. BUT WHO THE HELL WANTS TO BE SAFE!?

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:42 pm

I told you my suspects already, Fate. Please read the game, thank you.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:44 pm

I have at least three ideas about it. I'm not entirely sure I want to reveal them right now.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:50 pm

I'm thinking a lot differently LLD.

As for UT: Uh...maybe so you could make that argument today, because you knew a Mina lynch wouldn't fly? Nah, that's impossible.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:53 pm

Well, that seems to be what your saying. And I have no idea why you're saying it, and then saying it doesn't prove you town.

@LLD: You'll get one of them. Power role hunting. They figured Mina might be a PR.

@Spy: OH HEY WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT!?

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:11 pm

Also, just saying, I'm pretty sure AGM

is

an SK since GI basically did the same thing I did against LLD in Higu mafia. Probably NK immune. I just think we'll catch scum first.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:17 pm

@AGM: Yes, I'm sure people would have said that about me in Higurashi mafia. TOO BAD I WAS FUCKING RIGHT IN THAT GAME!

And I note QUITE a few parallels.

Also, Fate, what POSSIBLE reason could you have for voting me? Are you REALLY so stupid as to believe that I would want an AGM lynch today?

YOU INSULT ME!

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:20 pm

Yeah. Why do you think I was fine hammering him til he stole that from me?

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:36 pm

YOU DO REALIZE IF AGM SHOOTS,

WHICH HE WILL

, IT'LL BE A PRISONER'S DILEMMA IF WE DON'T LYNCH SCUM TODAY, SO ASSUMING I WAS SCUM I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME SETTING UP A MISLYNCH ANYWAY!

SO THERE!!!

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:01 pm

SURE! VANILLA TOWNIE!

I AM

Laffont, a Citizen of Gevaudan

SO THERE!

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:15 pm

Uh...why?

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:17 pm

No it doesn't. You're a raging fucking moron.

And if you aren't going to explain you're twice as much of a raging fucking moron as you're already being.

Jackass.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:19 pm

Why should I vote you? You're a fucking idiot, not scum. Unless you're claiming?

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:24 pm

That's hilarious. Claiming tracker or watcher are you? Because that would firmly slot you into being scum. But go ahead and lynch me if that's the case. Then put a fucking bullet in Fate's head.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:25 pm

Also, before we get into the hilarious argument of "OMG SCUM SLIP", I see no reason to list every role that would imply I'm not a vanilla townie, merely opting to go for the two most obvious.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:25 pm

One thing Fate. Explicitly fucking claim. NOW.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:26 pm

That is, name, role, targets, results. ALL of it. You want me dead, you're going to have to give up more than you have.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:29 pm

I'm afraid that's not good enough, and this town is dumber than I thought if they go with it. Claim. For real.

If you provide a full claim that gels with your claims, I will gladly vote myself.

Yeah, I'm afraid that's not going to work Fate.

Vote Fate

You have your vote now ^-^.

@AGM: Are you REALLY going to buy his bullshit with NO MOTHERFUCKING SUPPORT OF HIS CLAIMS!? ARE YOU A FUCKING IDIOT!?

@Fate: LESS THEATRICS, MORE FATE LYNCHING!!! GO GO GO!!!

@AGM: BZZT! MOOOOOOOOOORRRRRROOOOOOOONNNNNNNN!!!!

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:30 pm

If this town is stupid enough to lynch me, they DESERVE To fucking lose. Good going Fate.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:31 pm

Yeah, about those VIs AGM. STOP FUCKING BEING ONE AND USE YOUR GODDAMNED BRAIN.

Fate comes out of fucking NOWHERE With this BULLSHIT CLAIM, and refuses to elucidate it?

DESPITE THE FACT HE IS CLAIMING I AM THE FINAL SCUM?

WHAT HAS HE TO HIDE IF HE'S RIGHT!? THINK IT THE FUCK THROUGH, JACKASS!!!

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:32 pm

You and your style can die in a fire. Just like your scummy ass. You can either claim, and have me go quietly, or keep up this bullshit and have it turn on you. AGM might be stupid, but everyone else isn't.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:34 pm

What does he gain by not claiming? He could have any number of SUBJECTIVE claims that "may" lead to his conclusion WITHOUT 100% CERTAINTY!!!

So when I die, and flip town, he'll just be like "Oh, I was *whatever*, and it didn't actually get a solid result. I'm just a fucking idiot, let's lynch SpyreX!"

And you'll all follow him because you're goddamned brain dead.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:36 pm

...Is this what I think it is?

Unvote

Waiting for elucidation.

@UT: I know, I just get caught up in the moment.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:37 pm

Well, that was fun. Should we lynch Spy or UT now?

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:39 pm

So if you want to lynch me why'd you unvote?

That said, one thing puzzles me. Why did you wait until I claimed Vanilla before going off on this cop tangent? I figured Tracker/watcher with some obfuscation of your result.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:41 pm

In fact...if you were so certain I was scum due to a cop result, why the fuck did you even play games with the whole "COULD SHE HAVE FOOLED ME?" thing?

Your actions don't reflect a scum result.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:44 pm

@Fate: One problem with your theory. GI revealed they tried to kill AGM night one. So if SpyreX is scum, he probably didn't want to trigger NK immunity.

So, you're back to being a fucking moron?

Whatever. We can actually lynch god damn scum instead of playing your stupid game.

And you're surely fucking wrong. How about this, if you manage to lynch me, when I flip town, you will change your avatar to something that says "I AM A BIG FUCKING MORON WITH NO CLUE HOW TO PLAY MAFIA" for a month.

Fair deal ^-^?

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:48 pm

@Spy: Again, GI confirmed you all ran into a failed kill on AGM. He FURTHER confirmed AGM was talking to Zang through the night. Could be WIFOM, but I think the fact you are disregarding this bodes not well.

@Spy: Did you miss the part where he said he was lying? Anyway, the SK DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER! WE NEED TO LYNCH FUCKING SCUM.

@Fate: Deal. Hope you're ready to have your idiocy revealed to the world.

That's also assuming you lynch me. I'd like to actually win rather than be distracted by stupid diversions.

Still need to assess things and I'm busy tonight.

@AGM: How about we just ignore the fucking SK thing? In the end it actually doesn't matter, does it? When we lynch scum today, the game will end or it won't.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:51 pm

@Spy: Did I not say it was you or UT?

Hell, you know what?

Unvote, Vote SpyreX

That little trick pushes it.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:53 pm

@AGM: Did I not say that while I wanted to point out I believe you're the SK, there's no need to lynch you today?

So, I don't see any double talk. But you seem DETERMINED to convince yourself I'm scum. So whatever, go ahead. Prove you too, are a fucking moron.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:56 pm

Well, you seem to think I'm scum and refuse to believe anything else on REALLY SHITTY EVIDENCE. So have your fervor. LET IT LEAD YOU TO FAILURE.

(Well, in your case it'd be success, wouldn't it so...I guess you aren't a moron if you're the SK :V)

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:57 pm

Well, let's hope some sane people enter the field. And, you know, lynch OPPORTUNIST! SpyreX.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:59 pm

Go ahead, I want to see Fate's moron avatar ^-^.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:01 pm

Well, the main problem is the SK thing that doesn't actually matter. The thing is, it only doesn't matter if we lynch/shoot scum. So...

Yeah, I'm kinda invested in killing scum. But as it stands? Shooting Spy should do it, so, whatever. Still wanna see what people with working brain cells think.

UncertainKitten · Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:10 pm

Well, if you're scum, SpyreX, you aren't dumb either. So, really, it's only Fate town that's dumb.

UncertainKitten · Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:45 am

Yeah, I know, it's pretty terrible, but hey, we'll get the final scum shot tonight, and if I get lynched, as a bonus we'll get to make Fate's avatar actually reflect his mafia skill ^-^.

UncertainKitten · Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:01 am

Scum means mafia maybe? And the fact I'm ignoring the SK til it matters?

You're REALLY stretching Fate.

And I ad hom EVERY moron that attacks me for bullshit reasons, regardless of my alignment. You know you ain't got shit, so get your head out of your ass and scumhunt. Or not, just be ready to change your avatar.

UncertainKitten · Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:04 am

Oh, hey, everyone has spoken. Isn't this hilarious. We have the insane morons on one side and the sensible people who actually give a damn what happens to the town on the other.

I WONDER WHICH GROUP HAS THE SCUM IN IT!

UncertainKitten · Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:36 pm

Yeah, as I said in the dead topic, AGM didn't have the greatest of logic at the end. But I also don't blame him too much because UT DID have a bad start and LLD did look kinda good. He still didn't think it completely though though.

UncertainKitten · Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:39 pm

Do we get a Mafia and Neighbor QT?

UncertainKitten · Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:13 pm

Nah, we wouldn't, GI. We're both too stubborn to get along. A single thing we disagree about and we'd probably end up in a huge feud for a long time.

And also your temerity to think you can fuck with my head, even if you were reasonably accurate this time. You were an unknown to me before. I don't expect you'll get away with as much next time.

That said, you had some surprisingly apt insights that surprise me. You're good, but I think you push how good you are too much. You come off as arrogant and most people don't see any justification for it. Hell, I didn't til I started reading the QT. You still probably overestimate yourself, but it's not as grossly as it seemed before.

Also, the blind spot I allude to in dead thread. Just as I've had moderate success finding scum attacking me, I also have a TERRIBLE habit of saying people that buddy me are town, and Mari exploited this REALLY WELL. I'll have to modify my biases a bit, obviously.

@Mari: Actually, that's more in unfamiliar player lists. This one had enough familiarity so that my reaction to getting lynched tended to be considered a town tell until around D3. Mostly because Fate got blinded. Still need to fix it, but I'm somewhat adept at avoiding early lynches.

@GI: Hahaha, yes. That is about my major mafia ability. Bullshitting til I live through unlikely circumstances. Usually only works for so long. Then hammers of god fall down on me. I like that though. Kitten Miracle. I may use it

YES! I got called unpredictable! That is a trait I enjoy having!

@Mari:

. I hope I wasn't one of the assholes

@GI: I'm not actually totally illlogical, I just don't express my thoughts logically. This can work for and against me.

@GI: He should have, but I'm also good at bullying. It's not a tactic I LIKE using, but I basically scared the everloving shit out of CD by my ferocious practically insane handling of the situation. I think. I did SOMETHING.

tl;dr: You're not the only one who can manipulate.

@GI: Wait, wasn't I unpredictable before

?

@LLD: Yes, but ONE DAY FATE AND I SHALL WORK TOGETHER AND DESTROY THE SCUMS IN A RAPID ASSAULT OF CAPS LOCK AND AWESOME RAINBOWS!!!

UncertainKitten · Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:15 pm

@AGM: Actually, reading the thoughts in the dead thread, had UT turned out scum and you lynched LLD, I think some of us would have been surprised. Then again, LLD also probably wouldn't have done some of the things we noticed.

UncertainKitten · Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:27 pm

Also, UT. Play like you did in lylo all the time. That was really impressive, in my opinion. The SK spec wasn't great, but I fell for the same thing so look who's talking.

UncertainKitten · Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:33 pm

After D1 UT started picking up a lot, I think. But lylo was where he really got into it, I feel.

And I could name 4 townies worse than UT easily myself.

UncertainKitten · Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:34 pm

Yeah, I know. Still was silly for AGM to buy some of them~

UncertainKitten · Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:36 pm

Well, you have a perfect record for a reason, I presume. You're pretty good at this.

UncertainKitten · Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:40 pm

YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!

And you're being hard on yourself. You started really badly, yes. But it's kinda mean to continue lambasting you as you improved. That's basically saying "YOU WILL NEVER BE GOOD EVER SO WE HATE YOU". And what the hell does that breed? More of the VIs we get that are proud of it. So, no, I'd rather go with, good job improving as the game went on, now keep it up.

@LLD: Hey, my logic is rarely clear but I do decently. I'm certainly not AMAZING, but I don't think myself terrible.

UncertainKitten · Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:45 pm

My skills are looking town and occasionally avoiding a lynch that by all rights should have happened. I'm not amazingly great at scumhunting, and I'm only persuasive when I'm wrong. I'm beginning to think if a wagon I start gets off the ground, I should clear them as town :V.

UncertainKitten · Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:52 pm

@MoI: Re: Replacements: If you didn't know, I did a lot of replacement digging for you because I wanted to make the game fun instead of the trudging trainwreck it started as. So I called in some big ticket names to push this game to awesome. They can tell you who they were if they feel like. Some are probably more obvious than others.

UncertainKitten · Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:53 pm

@GI: Well, the thing is, my scum game/town game RAAAAAAGEEEEEEEEE don't look that different. That said, the SK bullshit REALLY should have clued me in.

Well, lemme rephrase that. They probably do look different, I just haven't figured out how yet. If I had to guess it's sincerity. You did better at faking the sincerity than I do.

UncertainKitten · Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:55 pm

Probably should have worked but town flubbed it. They weren't really considering it logically. To be fair, I was also burnt anyway between the block and the tracking flub thanks to enemy mine.

In Higu I mean.

UncertainKitten · Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:03 pm

Hahaha, totally. Though I have other tools for winning as SK~. Maybe a few...Kitten Miracles :3? Such as ways to get past two role cops in 1 v. 1s?

UncertainKitten · Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:20 pm

Dammit LLD quit crampin' my special snowflake style. I don't have anything nearly that cool, even if it's sometimes a curse!

UncertainKitten · Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:41 am

But Mari, what if they really ARE an asshole or a fucking moron or any number of other applicable epithets!?

UncertainKitten · Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:15 am

I considered adding that, actually

.

Actually, I have a new secret tech strategy that's not actually all that secret that should greatly improve my chances of not raging

.

UncertainKitten · Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:18 am

Oh! Do I get half points for at least being one of the first to be right about CD's townness, even if I was ridiculously rude about it ^-^?

UncertainKitten · Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:48 am

Pretty much GI! He's pretty much on my autovig list now.

UncertainKitten · Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:25 am

Who said I was doing it over HF? Hell, this game practically doubled my auto vig list. Admittedly, it wasn't a long one to start with.

UncertainKitten · Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:14 am

Well, I sorta get what your saying, but I think there's good fervor and bad fervor. And I'm currently doing a lot of the bad fervor. I should be able to still be passionate about things without insulting everybody. The main thing is I need to remove the personal attacks and such.

I think I am perfectly capable of dancing without caps. Hell, you've seen me in Higu, LLD.

UncertainKitten · Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:36 am

Yeah, that's the big problem, as I said. But, hey, I have new secret tech to help with that :O

UncertainKitten · Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:04 pm

I imagine being drunk would make the problem worse. I can't be sure though. Never tried

.

UncertainKitten · Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:51 am

/me never plays larges

Sorry UT

UncertainKitten · Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:13 pm

StrangerCoug wrote:
UncertainKitten wrote:/me never plays larges

Sorry UT
Aww, was SWN II too much for you?

No. Part of it is Vezok happened, and the other part is I hate having to track more than 14 players at a time. It's bullshit.

SWN was a breeze because I didn't have to do jack shit. Kinda presumptious of you, really.

@GI: I already do that

@SC: No, you just played utterly terribly, and the fact you're unrepentant it about it says a lot. Please learn to not be a useless passive...uh...something. I can't think of any descriptive word that is not incredibly insulting. Because your play sure as hell didn't deserve praise.

You have this problem all the time. You never display town intent because you NEVER DISPLAY A GOD DAMNED INTENT.

@SC: AND THAT'S A BAD THING. AS TOWN, YOU SHOULD WANT TO BE READ! YOU SHOULD WANT TO BE OBVIOUS TOWN! THE FACT YOU THINK THAT "IT BEING HARD TO GET A READ ON YOU" IS AT ALL GOOD MEANS YOU ARE A TERRIBLE
PLAYER!

@GI: You totally failed to list me. Was I really that awesome~?

@GI/UT: GI has the right of it. Off site I had a run of nailing all the scum several games in a row and no one listening to me about it. I still would have been considered to be doin it rong, since I failed the persuasiveness part of being a good townie.

UncertainKitten · Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:51 pm

See, that's better Fate. Though I argue the SK "nonsense" could potentially have been true. Buying the WIFOM was really dumb on my part, yes.

UncertainKitten · Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:57 pm

Better than GI overlooking me

And man, you are going to be so messed up when I use those "tells" as town

. Because I rather enjoy you being reasonable about your cases unless I already see them.

UncertainKitten · Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:04 pm

Sorry, it read like you thought it was a good thing. No, this wasn't purely your loss, but you certainly contributed.

And you've been told. You're passive as fuck and display no intent. Here's my advice. Grow some balls.

UncertainKitten · Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:51 pm

You can still be yourself without being terrible at the game. My rage is a liability. At least the way I manifest it.

@MoI: You still were right to attack me. I'd rather you be aggressive and try things. I think I found your logic bad, if I remember correctly. And to be fair? I didn't think my shot through at ALL. I played badly that game.