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VOTE: UncertainKitten for glorifying her own lynch in one of our first games together. Remember that?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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The hell? It makes no sense for the scum to try to run up one of their buddies to a lynch in the RVS.Katsuki wrote:Ok scratch that, Mari and UK are probably buddies.
UNVOTE: UncertainKitten
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Actually, UNVOTE: Katsuki. I can't read.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Because I am not going to revert to RVS after placing a serious vote, no matter how misguided it is, and no one else stands out yet.UncertainKitten wrote:SC, why did you conveniently forget to place your vote somewhere else?
Yeah, but if we are to assume 10:3 mountainous, then why would Mafia want to turn it into 9:2 so badly?CooLDoG wrote:@SC, early bus ever heard of it? you probably have. In all fairness they could being trying to distance themselves early on... they did have a long time in their pre-game qt.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Mod: Out of V/LA. I fortunately just disconnected my power supply from my motherboard by mistake.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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What the heck was there, whether it was likely to bite me in the ass or not? I voted too hastily, I retracted, and I saw nothing else. Don't make things more complex. If there's something that sticks out, I'll comment on it.UncertainKitten wrote:SC: That sounds more like "I don't want to commit to a stance that might bite me in the ass now that things are in flux"
I was putting forth a hypothetical situation where the math was easy to do. There is too wide a variety of setups to be certain of a mountainous game.UncertainKitten wrote:Also why would we assume 10:3 mountainous? Did I miss a memo?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I'm still straining to see the pro-scum motive in actually getting your buddies lynched in the RVS. Untrod Tripod made a good point with me, but still...UncertainKitten wrote:Then your hypothetical is pointless.
You know what, I'm putting my vote back. I don't understand why I'm making a big fuss about bussing in the RVS when my foot is not when my mouth is.
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Oh, so you don't see scum going to that extreme either. I don't really count scum voting scum in the RVS as bussing, but you make your point.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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And I addressed it already. I wanted to know why scum would want to dispose of one of their buddies in the RVS, and a mountainous setup is the easiest to work with when thinking about this sort of theory thing. I would be extremely surprised if I correctly guessed the setup that early.AKnottedRope wrote:
Also this is a very valid point.UncertainKitten wrote:Also why would we assume 10:3 mountainous? Did I miss a memo?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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For a forum game of Mafia, that's an awfully short period of time to be complaining about having to wait for an answer. Unless you know that Reckamonic had been posting elsewhere, I don't see the problem.Mina wrote:Don't get me wrong. I'm in favour of millers claiming on D1 and all. But it's been half an hour since I asked for flavour. Did you log off immediately after posting?
The quicker you come forward with a character and flavour, the more likely I am to believe you.
Awaiting Mina's questions for me.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Makes sense.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Good point. I find it interesting that somebody else gave a nameclaim possibility and Reckamonic took it and ran with it. Something's not right.Mariyta wrote:How the hell were we supposed to know your role name was "Head of the Brotherhood of the Wolf"???? Dick.
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I hate to do this twice in close succession, but the problem I complained about regarding not feeling well has gotten worse. I have a fever.
Mod: V/LA again.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Still sick; just popping my word in.
I'm liking Reckamonic even less for the policy lynch push of CooLDoG. Seriously, there aren't a lot of times that policy lynching is good and you know it.
GhostWriter vs. Katsuki is interesting. For now I'm more inclined to support GhostWriter, but that's admittedly based on my previous suspicion of Katsuki. I'll look at it again when I'm not coughing about every 20 minutes.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Mod: Out of V/LA.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I thought your boyfriend was dramonic...
Well, if life is tough, life is tough. If you need a break, take it. I'll gun AlmasterGM's cheap vote on you for you.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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A gentleman's man, eh?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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This section's funny. It would lead me to think you suspect Mariyta the most going only by this, but your vote goes on Untrod Tripod.LynchMePls wrote:
@Maryita: I disagree completely that UT has been less helpful than AKR. This unvote/vote bothers me a bit.Maryita wrote:This other game discussion is getting old. More discussion about this game, please.
Zang, CoolDog is not a very pro-town player. He's just less scummy than some others.
Reckamonic needs to be more useful. Policy lynch = bad. Why aren't you voting fitz, for whom you gave a much better case?
After another re-read, I'm switching my vote. UT has been more useless than AKR. Bandwagon vote with no reason given, accuses AGM of fake scumhunting w/o trying to scumhunt at all himself.
UNVOTE: AKR, VOTE: Untrod Tripod
QFT. Also note Mary switching vote to UT.UK wrote:/me notes CooLDoG agreeing with MAri
/me notes CooLDoG failing to vote his scumbuddy UT.
TL;DR
Something is amiss in the Mary, UT, CD interactions. Also possible AKR/CD connection, should either flip scum. There is surprisingly little to comment on for an 8 page game. If there are any unanswered questions to my slot that I missed, feel free to ask them again.
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Vote: Untrod Tripod
I actually have made one, but it's a little subtle:UncertainKitten wrote:Hmm...if I HAVE to choose a third, I lean StrangerCoug. Most of his posts are basically fluff or irrelevant. The posts he DOES make that are relevant are mostly reiterating observations others have made. Correct me if I'm wrong, SC, but you haven't made one unique observation all game.
So, everyone else go~
This implies that I don't like AlmasterGM's voting Reckamonic for "ragequitting", and I believe I'm the only one to call him out on it.StrangerCoug wrote:Well, if life is tough, life is tough. If you need a break, take it. I'll gun AlmasterGM's cheap vote on you for you.
In any event, I have a life. I don't post from work. If I'm not the first person to notice something, then I'm not the first person to notice something, but I'm allowed to agree with people.
This is more logical.LynchMePls wrote:AKR: The "I'm not the only one doing it!" defense towards the active lurking vote from Mary. Overreaction to a single vote.
CD: Contradictory stated in 180.
Mary: Interactions between CD and UT. Specifically those discussed in 180.
UT: Active lurking + complete uselessness.
And now, while I'm thinking about it:
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LynchMePls: His predecessor claimed the Henri Sardis part of his claim after another person brought up the name. Previously, he had claimed only he was the head of the BotW—he did not supply a name. LynchMePls's logic for voting Untrod Tripod seemed a bit off as well.UncertainKitten wrote:Hi CoolDog. Do this:
Now.UK wrote:Who do you suspect and why, in 5 sentences or less.
You as well, SC.
AlmasterGM: I find the vote for Reckamonic for "ragequitting" cheap. This screams like a policy lynch to me.
Forced to spit out a third name, I'm still good to go with Katsuki for the RVS dance from the beginning of the game. Voting Mariyta for unvoting you for not wanting an RVS wagon so fast is crap. I've reread Katsuki vs. Ghostwriter, and I still favor Ghostwriter in the argument.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Normally, no, but whether there's a claimed cop or not, a miller claim throws a wrench in the works. We do not know if a guilty on who is now LynchMePls is a legitimate guilty or one altered by the miller role.AlmasterGM wrote:
Is it a policy lynch if we lynch people that a confirmed cop has a guilty on?SC wrote:AlmasterGM: I find the vote for Reckamonic for "ragequitting" cheap. This screams like a policy lynch to me.
Yes, but one I usually support, and I do in the case I present on Reckamonic/LynchMePls.AlmasterGM wrote:Is it a policy lynch if we lynch people who lie in an anti-town matter?
If you question the miller claim, then why didn't you say so until now? As I said, the "ragequit" vote is cheap. Screw Reckamonic's meta.AlmasterGM wrote:NO. It's called lynching SCUM. I wasn't saying we lynch EVERYONE who replaces ALL THE TIME, I was saying, inthat specific context, what xReck did was scummy because 1) he didn't give any explanation for the quit OTHER than rage and 2) I had seen him play through rage as town before.
I will stop when you stop polluting my case on you with irrelevant crap.AlmasterGM wrote:So it's NOT A POLICY LYNCH. End of story. If you want to take this to MD afterwards I would love to. Now stop.
"Policy lynching my scumbuddy is not a legitimate move." Way to WIFOM. You want to know my anti-WIFOM weapon? Not trying to predict scum.AlmasterGM wrote:Also, it makes no sense that you have this advocacy when right above you say LMP (AKA RECK) is scummy. So I'm pushing a policy lynch on my buddy? lolwut.
Piggybacking FTL.AlmasterGM wrote:AKR - Per LMP's awesomeness.
Cheap case #2 FTL.AlmasterGM wrote:StrangerCoug - Too wrong to be town. What isn't wrong is fluff.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Neither do you.AlmasterGM wrote:UK wrote:@AGM: Where is CD contradicting himself? If you already pointed it out, feel free to quote yourself.
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What the fuck is this garbage.cooldog wrote:I'll keep my vote on reck, but I think now I understand his posting. You should post v/la and take a break, whats the point of playing a game if it isn't fun?
You either BUY that the quit was legitimate or you DON'T. You don't say, "oh, I think he's quitting for legit reasons, but VOTE ANYWAY."
WhenSC wrote:I will stop when you stop polluting my case on you with irrelevant crap.Istop pollutingyourcase? You don't own the concept of Reckscum.
Just because nobody supports my argument does not render it invalid.AlmasterGM wrote:Moreover, nobody else is calling is calling it crap BUT YOU, so maybe if you just stopped arguing semantics about what is / is not a policy lynch this wouldn't even matter.
I have called it a cheap policy lynch. You disagree. That you disagree is fine for the purposes of this part of my argument, but I don't see how else it is inadequate.AlmasterGM wrote:In fact, the more I think about it and the more I read your response, the more convinced I become that you are scum. This whole calling my vote a "policy lynch" but then 1) not actually explaining why the vote in and of itself was bad, 2) dismissing my LEGIT REASONS for voting (e.g., you say "screw your meta argument) saying some policy lynches are good, and 3) turning the whole discussion into semantics about policy lynching makes me think you are using "policy lynching" as a fear tactic.
I do not accept meta as a valid basis for a vote. If xRECKONERx and dramonic are smart, and I hope very much they are, they'll play to their town meta as scum. Therefore, the concept of "town meta" is flawed. If you want me to relent with regard to this, I want a scum motivation behind someone saying "screw you all, I'm outta here" that has nothing to do with what that person has done in previous games.
ORLY?SC wrote:Piggybacking FTL.
Piggybacking FTL.[/quote]SC wrote:Good point. I find it interesting that somebody else gave a nameclaim possibility and Reckamonic took it and ran with it. Something's not right.
UNVOTE: Katsuki
VOTE: Reckamonic
There's a difference between what's going on, AGM. Reckamonic gave the name Henri Sardons two posts prior to the quote of mine you post, and the intervening post is not directed at Reckamonic. Therefore, I am the first person to suspect Reckamonic for tacking on the name to the claim. You, on the other hand, are taking LynchMePls's word for it that AKnottedRope is scum without question. Fine, but it'd be nice if you added something.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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No weaseling out here. Sorry.AlmasterGM wrote:
If 4-5 people come out and say, "your arguments are crap," then I will accept that they are probably crap and STFU. Otherwise, I am going to roll with the fact that I am right and you are either A) scum or B) bad at determining what is crap. A being more likely in this case.SC wrote:Just because nobody supports my argument does not render it invalid.
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You are underestimating the power of anger.SC wrote:I have called it a cheap policy lynch. You disagree. That you disagree is fine for the purposes of this part of my argument, but I don't see how else it is inadequate.
I do not accept meta as a valid basis for a vote. If xRECKONERx and dramonic are smart, and I hope very much they are, they'll play to their town meta as scum. Therefore, the concept of "town meta" is flawed. If you want me to relent with regard to this, I want a scum motivation behind someone saying "screw you all, I'm outta here" that has nothing to do with what that person has done in previous games.
Yes, Reck and dram are smart.
But even the smartest people can have trouble putting on a perfect facade when they are angry. Thus, the ragequit was relevant.
And I don't really care if you don't accept meta as an argument. I do, and so do plenty of other people. So if you want to vote for me for using meta (oooooohohohoho look, scary policy lynches) then go ahead and do that.
Fine, because this does little to answer my question. Your use of the word "facade" implies that Reckamonic was trying to hide something, but couldn't anymore once he blew up. What the hell is it, and what makes his anger scummy?
UNVOTE: Katsuki
VOTE: AlmasterGM
I can accept that there is only one head of the BotW and that the name is implied. I just kind of expected them to spit out the name instead of insist that their nameclaim is just "head of the BoTW" with no other info. I am completely unfamiliar with the movie and expected a werewolf-themed game, which I haven't played in awhile.AlmasterGM wrote:
Oh no. Oh no you don't.SC wrote:There's a difference between what's going on, AGM. Reckamonic gave the name Henri Sardons two posts prior to the quote of mine you post, and the intervening post is not directed at Reckamonic. Therefore, I am the first person to suspect Reckamonic for tacking on the name to the claim. You, on the other hand, are taking LynchMePls's word for it that AKnottedRope is scum without question. Fine, but it'd be nice if you added something.
Reck had already claimed head of brotherhood of the wolf. This is a THEME game, and the head of the brotherhood of the wolf has a DEFINED NAME. There aren't multiple options to chose from. When xReck claimed "head of the brotherhood of the wolf," it doesn't matter that he didn't include the official namey-name because he was already locked in. He couldn't come back later and say, "oh wait guyz, JUST KIDDING, I meant that OTHER head of the brotherhood of the wolf." So you get NO EXTRA POINTS for calling that out because all the cards were already on the table. You were copying Mariyta's argument PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
I am sorry, but Reck's actions do not clear LMP. As for AGM, I want answers and I will push until I get them.Untrod Tripod wrote:StrangerCoug, leaning scum
Looking through SC's ISO, I see very little scumhunting and a whole lot of theory discussion and weasel words. He makes some decent points about Reck, but at this point the discussion about that slot really should be more about LMP than his predecessor. SC's and AGM's argument about Reck is just dragging on and getting into pointless semantics. AGM has moved onto other things, SC has not.Idecide when I'm happy with what I've been given, and right now I'm not.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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OMGUS is voided when I have a legitimate case back (I didn't get a straight answer to a legitimate question), and mind you, I've been nudging at you ever since Reckamonic left. You just didn't comment until I used it to refute that I had no original content.AlmasterGM wrote:Oh hi, OMGUS.
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Actually, come to think of it, AlmasterGM and CooLDoG are more likely to be buddies than AlmasterGM and who is now LynchMePls are.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Could you clarify here? AlmasterGM still won't tell me the scum motivation behind what Reckamonic did, so I'm having trouble connecting the dots.Zang wrote:
I disagree. He quit for no reason and didn't elaborate until after his vote.StrangerCoug wrote:AlmasterGM: I find the vote for Reckamonic for "ragequitting" cheap. This screams like a policy lynch to me.
WIFOM, and in most games scumbuddies can't kill each other. So defending with crap.AlmasterGM wrote:If I were buddies with cooldog I would just NK myself so don't worry about that.
No, my case is not basically "you voted Reck." I disagree that the reasoning is scummy, and when I tried to get you to prove otherwise you basically start playing dodgeball instead of Mafia. Your WIFOM is also telling me you're flailing.AlmasterGM wrote:Also your case is not legit because it is basically just, "you voted Reck."
This makes sense. Now tell me how else Reckamonic is scummy.AlmasterGM wrote:And as far as the answer to this goes:
He's trying to hide the fact that he's scum under pressure, obv? It's simple.Fine, because this does little to answer my question. Your use of the word "facade" implies that Reckamonic was trying to hide something, but couldn't anymore once he blew up. What the hell is it, and what makes his anger scummy?
I'm town. Idiots attack me. They gain momentum. I deal with it because I'm town so they'll look like morons and I and don't really give a shit (HAS HAPPENED IN PAST).
I'm scum. Idiots attack me. They gain momentum. I get fucking pissed off because I'm scum and they are catching me in a manner I deem illegitimate. I get angry. They keep calling me scum. I blow up and RAGEQUIT at the injustice because I'm scum and DO GIVE A SHIT.
Basically, people give a shit when they are scum. TRUE FACT.
Why this even matters at all anymore is TOTALLY beyond me.
My mistake.havingfitz wrote:Speaking of the LMP wagon...
SC, you unvoted Kat but the mod had you voting LMP.StrangerCoug wrote:UNVOTE: Katsuki
VOTE: AlmasterGM
We obviously disagree upon how Reckamonic was scummy. I had issues with the way he claimed; AlmasterGM had issues with the way he skedaddled. However, as I recently said, I don't think AlmasterGM and Reckamonic are likely buddies, but rather AlmasterGM and CooLDoG. If my understanding of the CooLDoG case is correct, he is being attacked for similar reasoning that I am attacking AGM, and I really don't think two buddies are going to find a cheap as hell way to dispose of the third. Yes, I said I don't try to predict the Mafia, but a scumteam of AlmasterGM, CooLDoG, and LynchMePls currently sounds ridiculous to me.havingfitz wrote:I'm finding yours and AGM's little back and forth interesting. Unless I am reading it wrong it appears you both suspect the Reck/LMP slot but rather than voting it, you are arguing with each other over it to the point where you're each voting each other. wtf?
UNVOTE: LynchMePlsMagnaofIllusion wrote:Rule B2 has been amended to clarify the Unvote procedure. You are not required
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VOTE: AlmasterGM
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And I told you why this answer doesn't work for me, pretty much point by point:AlmasterGM wrote:
How am I playing dodgeball? I EXPLICITLY responded to your argument IMMEDIATELY after you made it.SC wrote:No, my case is not basically "you voted Reck." I disagree that the reasoning is scummy, and when I tried to get you to prove otherwise you basically start playing dodgeball instead of Mafia. Your WIFOM is also telling me you're flailing.
AlmasterGM wrote:Is it a policy lynch if we lynch people that a confirmed cop has a guilty on? Is it a policy lynch if we lynch people who lie in an anti-town matter?
NO. It's called lynching SCUM. I wasn't saying we lynch EVERYONE who replaces ALL THE TIME, I was saying, in that specific context, what xReck did was scummy because 1) he didn't give any explanation for the quit OTHER than rage and 2) I had seen him play through rage as town before.
So it's NOT A POLICY LYNCH. End of story. If you want to take this to MD afterwards I would love to. Now stop.- Nobody has claimed cop with a guilty on Reckamonic. Therefore, it makes no sense to bring into question whether it's a policy lynch to go after somebody on which a cop claimed a guilty.
- While it's implied that you think Reckamonic's miller claim is fake when you vote him, you never directly address it, which needlessly throws me for a loop.
- Metaing a good player doesn't work. You claim that something you usually see in his town play is absent, so he's scum. As most people try to play to their town meta regardless of alignment, I wanted you to supply a scum motivation for his actions.
If you do not want me to accuse you of playing dodgeball, then give straight answers to my questions. Your response to the scum motive of Reckamonic's actions is that he had this façade that gave out when he ragequit. When I asked what he was hiding with it, you told me that he was hiding the fact that he was scum and that scum give a damn. Now, granted, IAlmasterGM wrote:If you don't LIKE my reasoning, then fine, we can sit around and argue theory all day. Or we could just drop it. Whatever. But DON'T tell me I'm playing TEEHEE dodgeball when I'm not. The responses to your "case" (which is still terrible / non-existant) are clearly posted.DIDaccept the "scum give a damn" part, but I feel that there should be more to it than that.
I support his wagon and wouldn't mind switching under deadline pressure, so I'll have my say in the matter: The same meta crap as AlmasterGM.Katsuki wrote:I'd love a brief explanation from all those voting cooldog as to why they think he's scum. It'll help keep me from falling behind.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Since I'm comparing CooLDoG to AlmasterGM, I'd like the latter and GhostWriter to give opinions about each other. (GhostWriter is the person I see as pushing CooLDoG the most, which is why I picked him.)STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Oh. Must have been gunning AlmasterGM so hard I missed it.GhostWriter wrote:I actually have. I felt he was stretching to try to find a reason to vote the slot. I think I used the phrase "taking a large leap" while doing it.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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There is no such thing as a scum miller the last time I checked, and you either believe the miller claim or you don't. Your vote on him tells me you don't.AlmasterGM wrote:
I didn't imply anything. In fact, I didn't mention the miller claim at all because I don't care and it doesn't affect the read.While it's implied that you think Reckamonic's miller claim is fake when you vote him, you never directly address it, which needlessly throws me for a loop.
That it's hard if not impossible to play perfectly to a town meta is accepted, but we're back to where we started. Everybody has bad days. Why do xRECKONERx's and dramonic's bad days condemn them?AlmasterGM wrote:
And most scum are going to try and play to a "town motivation" too, aren't they? But it doesn't always work, because even if you are very good player, it's hard. The same applies to meta. Sure, you are going to TRY and fake townmeta, but sometimes emotions get the best of you slip up.Metaing a good player doesn't work. You claim that something you usually see in his town play is absent, so he's scum. As most people try to play to their town meta regardless of alignment, I wanted you to supply a scum motivation for his actions.
Also, I asked for your opinion on GhostWriter since he's pushing the same thing on CooLDoG as I am on you. What do you think of him?
I decided that I was wasting energy on the way Katsuki was dealing with the wagon when I was not voting her.Mina wrote:StrangerCoug: I never got around to explaining my problems with him. For one thing, his stance on Katsuki made no sense. Like, no fucking sense whatsoever. Seriously. "Katsuki, why are you accusing Mariyta of leading a scum wagon on." "Never mind, I misunderstood that. UNVOTE." "Yeah, actually, come to think of it, Iwillrevote Katsuki now that you're pressuring me, because babble babble something about my mouth and foot and red blue green pineapple 42." Can you explain your thought process behind your vote, unvote, and revote of Katsuki? I feel as though I'm missing something important.
Could you clarify the hypocrisy bit?Mina wrote:Add to that his lame vote on Reckamonic (which he STILL hasn't acknowledged), and the hypocrisy surrounding his read on AGM.
Well, given I've decided that I see a AlmasterGM/CooLDoG/LynchMePls scumteam as ridiculous and I have a genuine belief that AGM and CD are connected...Mina wrote:(On a side note, the SC vs. AGM battle is ridiculous. "You're scummy because MY reason for suspecting Reckamonic is sooooooo much superior to yours." Guys, why don't you settle your differences and realize thatbothof your reasons suck?*cue LMP flipping scum, because this happens every time I arrogantly proclaim a town read*)
You've been flailing quite a bit yourself, my friend.AlmasterGM wrote:@UK - Haha, not EVERYONE who calls me scum is scum. It's just SC and AKR happened to be so blinded by the AWESOMENESS of my scumhunting they had no choice but to flail, go into OMGUS-mode, and otherwise be scummy.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Why does this look funny?Katsuki wrote:Oh come now, I'm not THAT bad at this game.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I find this nitpicking weird. CooLDoG's wording draws more attention than mine, so his is scummier? I'm not sure I have this right.Mariyta wrote:P-edit: Because SC essentially said the same thing in different words, only you went overboard with an "OMGGUYZ, look at this! It's soooooo creepy!"
It's still a cougar avatar Just a different one.AlmasterGM wrote:@StrangerCoug - please go back to the cougar avatar, it was much awesomer than your new one.
(There's a reason I changed it, but it involves an ongoing game, so I don't really know if I'm allowed to say it.)STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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OK, I checked with the mod of that game, and he's cleared this. It's to prevent confusion with themanhimself's avatar.StrangerCoug wrote:
It's still a cougar avatar Just a different one.AlmasterGM wrote:@StrangerCoug - please go back to the cougar avatar, it was much awesomer than your new one.
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I may think he needs to take a chill pill, but he's town.Mina wrote:-StrangerCoug, maybe hypocrisy was the wrong word; I meant for your "My reason for suspecting Reckamonic is AWESOME, and yours sucks." (Yes, I know you've moved on since then. Speaking of which, what do you think of LynchMePls' recent play?)
I haven't been able to pinpoint it; if I had, I wouldn't have brought it up in the form of a question. Something reads "cheap dismissal of a case", though.Mina wrote:But what exactly did you find funny about Katsuki's post? (For the record, I found it a completely null reaction.) Your comment was very vague.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Why are you jumping in here? Annoying ≠ scummy, and the question was directed at AKnottedRope.Zang wrote:
So I'm supposed to let people vote for me for no reason at all?Mina wrote:-AKnottedRope, again, what do you think about havingfitz? And although Zang pestering everyone to give reasons for voting him is annoying, can you explain more of why Zang shot to the top of your suspect list?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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This is a straight-up lie. Mina claimed, in the question to AKnottedRope, that you bugging the people on your wagon for vote reasons is annoying and you chime in by asking if people are supposed to just pile on you for the hell of it. Therefore, you jumped in.Zang wrote:
I was not jumping in, I did not answer or comment on the question directed at AKR. Why are you jumping in here? My question was directed at Mina.StrangerCoug wrote:
Why are you jumping in here? Annoying ≠ scummy, and the question was directed at AKnottedRope.Zang wrote:
So I'm supposed to let people vote for me for no reason at all?Mina wrote:-AKnottedRope, again, what do you think about havingfitz? And although Zang pestering everyone to give reasons for voting him is annoying, can you explain more of why Zang shot to the top of your suspect list?
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Let's trim down the pyramid a bit...
As I said, annoying ≠ scummy. The way you asked Mina the question is paranoid.Zang wrote:
How is that scummy?StrangerCoug wrote:This is a straight-up lie. Mina claimed, in the question to AKnottedRope, that you bugging the people on your wagon for vote reasons is annoying and you chime in by asking if people are supposed to just pile on you for the hell of it. Therefore, you jumped in.
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Oh, why is you asking Mina a question scummy? There wasn't a need to intrude on her line of questioning. Yes, she posted an opinion of you, but I interpret it as relatively null.Zang wrote:I was asking Mina. Once again, why is that scummy?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Your reaction is unnatural, Zang. A milder response such as "I don't like how you dismiss my trying to figure out what the case on me is as annoying" might have gone over with me well, but basically asking "What the hell am I supposed to do, sit there?" comes off as panicky scum to me.Zang wrote:So, why are you voting me?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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*laughs at the wagon building on me*
I still like Zang as the lynch. He's more worried about himself than finding scum. AlmasterGM (sorry) and CooLDoG are lynches I support also.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Neighbor ≠ town per se, so yes. A mason is supposed to be town, though.CooLDoG wrote:@SC, are you willing to lynch a claimed neighbor d-1? I prefer to lynch the non-contributing miller... that's just me.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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May I have a case from AlmasterGM that doesn't falsely accuse me of OMGUS since I 1.) attacked him first and 2.) shot legitimate cases back, both of which discount such accusations?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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A quick look at Untrod Tripod in ISO doesn't reveal too many incriminating things. Granted, I disagree with a few things he said here and there, and I do see where the lurking accusation is coming from looking at the timestamps, but I need more convincing to go after him right now.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Coasting. OK, granted, I could talk more, but could you develop your case on me a bit more?AlmasterGM wrote:StrangerCoug is still coasting and being scummy, so he's also out.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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For the ten millionth time, I don't like how you reacted to Mina's comment about the wagon on you. Annoying ≠ scummy, and there was no reason to react by asking if the correct thing to do was to ignore all the votes on you. I've pulled that "am I supposed to sit there and let the votes pile on me?" stunt as scum myself,Zang wrote:
I'm not more worried about myself than finding scum. I found Mariyta and I probably found another one. Also, why are you voting for me? As I said before, your reason is weak.StrangerCoug wrote:*laughs at the wagon building on me*
I still like Zang as the lynch. He's more worried about himself than finding scum. AlmasterGM (sorry) and CooLDoG are lynches I support also.IN A GAME YOU MODDED.Granted, I answered my own question, but still...
As for the CooLDoG wagon, I'm going to jump on. I commented earlier that I didn't like the meta case on xRECKONERx by either him or AlmasterGM. I'm still pretty confident that there is a scum neighbor, but hey—I might get info by leaving them alive.
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Oh, and...
Where did I do this? I believe the case I spun off it is that he is overreacting, not lying.Mina wrote:Given a choice between StrangerCoug and CooLDoG, I'd choose the former, because I dislike the way he tried to spin Zang's question as "lying".STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Why? Because you refuse to admit that your reasoning for voting xRECKONERx earlier today is crap? Because you're contradicting yourself in terms of my wagon?CooLDoG wrote:SC's vote screams scum. I can't say more then that.
Trying to save your butt, I see. I like faking power roles as scum myself, son.CooLDoG wrote:LYNCH ME IF YOU WANT BUT IWILLFLIP A TOWN POWER ROLE. In case I can't get a claim off quick enough because of the scum pouring on to my wagon.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Defending ≠ coasting.
Read that again. I understand part of where you're coming from here, but closer inspection should reveal that I go on about Katsuki's interaction with the random voting stage even after I yank the vote the first time.
Again, defending ≠ coasting.UncertainKitten wrote:Coasting
If I didn't find the short amount of time allowed for a response unusual, I would not have made that post.UncertainKitten wrote:IIoA
I'm allowed to agree with people, UncertainKitten.UncertainKitten wrote:Piggy backing
Because I hate youUncertainKitten wrote:Oh God Quote Stripes WHY >=[!!!!!
Just kidding.
It's not clear to me what you're implying, but see below for the best I can do.UncertainKitten wrote:Do you? What, pray tell, is your case on AGM?
Read on. I saw a possible AGM-CD link based on them pushing Reckamonic for pretty gosh darn close to the same thing. A scumteam of AlmasterGM, CooLDoG, and Reckamonic (now LynchMePls) was and still is ridiculous to me, as I refuse to believe for one second that it is strategically sound for two scumbuddies to try to get rid of the third for cheap reasoning. It simply made the best sense to accept the miller claim and kill two birds with one stone.UncertainKitten wrote:You are saying things and not supporting them. [[citation needed]]
Meta is useless. I kept pushing AlmasterGM and pushing AlmasterGM and pushing AlmasterGM to get him to produce a reason not related to other games as to why xRECKONERx was scummy and I never got a satisfactory answer. I accepted the "scum gives a damn" reasoning, but I didn't feel it was enough. Townies have bad days too. He also flailed after other people jumped on his wagon.UncertainKitten wrote:And then insistence on the Zang lynch just feels like "NOOOOOOOOO! MY MISLYNCH!!!! I CANNOT LOSE ITTTTTT!!!!"[/url]
How so? The two of us may have come to an impasse, but I'm pretty sure that's not the point.
UncertainKitten wrote:Finally, SC, I STILL don't understand your case on CD OR AGM.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Why are you asking for a citation when you implied thinking this too? Is there a difference between what you thought here and, to answer your question, his page 2 in ISO?UncertainKitten wrote:
[[citation needed]]SC wrote:He also flailed after other people jumped on his wagon.
One of us has the definition wrong then, because when I see "coasting" I think "active lurking".UncertainKitten wrote:Also, yes, "defending" is coasting when it's the ONLY thing you do.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I don't see how I was active lurking, but whatever. I'll agree to disagree.
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Oh.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Why are you unvoting after what LynchMePls posted? It's one of the most compelling things against him now.Untrod Tripod wrote:I'm really weirded out by CD's softclaim (I totally failed to notice it too, I guess that's what happens when you make people not want to read your posts). I really, really don't want to believe that town-CD would softclaim this early, but...
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Basically. I do not assume that people are idiots, which is why I dismissed AlmasterGM, CooLDoG, and LynchMePls as the scum trio, and experience should have taught most of us that a power role claim does not always come from town. Vanilla townies are dispensable, so faking a power role is an attractive scum maneuver. DrippingGoofball's signature comes to mind as well.Untrod Tripod wrote:
So you're saying that softclaiming a power role at L-3 is more likely a scum-CD gambit than town-CD idiocy...?StrangerCoug wrote:
Why are you unvoting after what LynchMePls posted? It's one of the most compelling things against him now.Untrod Tripod wrote:I'm really weirded out by CD's softclaim (I totally failed to notice it too, I guess that's what happens when you make people not want to read your posts). I really, really don't want to believe that town-CD would softclaim this early, but...
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Zang can die in my opinion.Mina wrote:But is there anyone other than Mariyta who'd be up for a lynch that isn't CooLDoG or StrangerCoug?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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*also looks through Katsuki's iso*Mina wrote:I just realized that vote doesn't count anyway, because I didn't unvote, but I've been rereading Katsuki in ISO, and just realized how wishy-washy and fluffy his opinions have been.
Would anyone be up for a Katsuki wagon instead of a havingfitz one?
*does not see a strong, concerted attempt at scumhunting*
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Let's do this.
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Most of the time I've been pushing CooLDoG, I'd been linking him to AlmasterGM.Mina wrote:Hmm. StrangerCoug, I'm just curious about something. Hasn't CooLDoG been your top suspect for a while?MAYBEa tie with him for top during that time, but only briefly did he hold the top slot by himself. The reason I switched from Zang to CooLDoG is because I felt information could be gained about the claimed neighbors by leaving them alive. What, I don't want to supply to scum in case they plan on manipulating it, but for me to believe that AlmasterGM and Zang are both be scum requires a bastard mod, a multiball, or an SK, none of which are supported right now.
This is a tad unclear. Are you asking why I'm jumping off the counterwagon to me?Mina wrote:Don't get me wrong. I'd like a Katsuki vote and all. But why are you willing to compromise on him when the counterwagon to you is one you're satisfied with?
Trimming off the pyramid so I can get this to post:
The lie was that he didn't jump in when, in fact, he did, and your post aligns with this thinking. It's true that Zang didn't answer your question for AKnottedRope and asked you a question himself, but that's it.Mina wrote:So yes, the bulk of your accusation was that he was jumping in. But you calling him a liar felt like a misrep. Zang did not lie about the fact that he didn't answer my question to AKR. Also, in Zang's defence, the implication was there that I disliked his pestering people for votes (and therefore found it slightly scummy).
And although I also disliked his jumping in, the fact that you conveniently found Zang scummy for something small that occurred after his wagon took up steam also rubbed me the wrong way.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Whom are you replacing, GreyICE?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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CooLDoG should most certainly shoot today, but while I'd pick a scummy player on which we're not likely to be able to get a wagon in time if I were him, we want to be careful that the vig kill is not scum-controlled.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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