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Ok. 62 pages. NBD.
It can't be any worse than OoT Mafia...Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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UncertainKitten wrote:Hey, LLD, guess how many pages I got in before I had to give up before I got an aneurysm! I bet you can't beat my record!
I most certainly can!(It's purple because I can lie in it if I'm the culprit)Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Untrod Tripod wrote:Hey guys. Really sorry about not posting. Angry playstyles like Reck's make me clam up and I was finding it easier to watch what happened in relation to me lurking than to start participating. That ends now.
I have reread and am going to be doing some ISOs over the next day or so to make up for my lack of posting.
I find two things very odd:
1. Reck's miller claim
2. This quote:
"I am so town I don't need to edit my posts if they don't make sense". Are you fucking serious? There is ABSOLUTELY no town benefit to bad posting. Period. End of story. Claiming otherwise is anti-town.UK wrote:As for reading my posts before posting them, I do, but I rarely feel the need to edit them. You know why? I'm town, and my thought processes reflect that. I have nothing to hide. If I make a seeming contradiction, perhaps rather than saying "OH MAI GAWD U CONTRADICK *hurr hurr* ED URSLF!!", you should THINK for two seconds about just HOW said contradiction benefits scum.
That being said, I want to address one thing first: UK's "case" on me. The first comment about how "no one is voting for UT" was weird, but at this point it's getting scummy. I don't think D1 it's scummy, exactly, to be making a case for lynching a lurker, but I find the case troubling. I'm going to post all of the relevant UK quotes on the subject here:
1 wrote:... you know what's REALLY wierd? I see UTs name being thrown about but no actual votes on him. How disturbing.
Unvote, Vote Untrod Tripod
FoS: AGM
I would have done it in the opposite order but I find it incredibly odd that somehow UT has been dodging votes.
@havingfitz: Why did you unvote Untrod Tripod? When are you going to provide a top suspect?2 wrote:Where did I say I disliked the attack? I said it was more sound than his attack on Mari, just that in isolation I wasn't sure if there was anything strong enough to commit to on UT.
When combined with the fact that UT ~*~magically~*~ has no votes despite no less than three people expressing suspicion of him, THEN we have some shenanigans.
Basically, I think AGM is kinda poking UT so if UT flips, he can be like "I KNEW IT!", while not starting the wagon on UT. It's a weak case but I think it's a good start. Really, both AGM and UT are fully lynchable to me, at this time.3 wrote:/me notes CooLDoG failing to votehis scumbuddyUT.
So the logic is that I am scummy4 wrote:I suspect AGM because he seems to acknowledge everything wrong with Untrod Tripod but uses significantly weaker reasoning to vote Mariyta.
I suspect Untrod Tripod since he has done effectively nothing of value, but for some reason a lot of people suspect him...without him getting much votes. I find it VERY INTERESTING that he's evaded votes while getting so much attention.
1. Because I have lurked
2. People have voiced suspicion of me without voting. These people are my scumbuddies.
As far as point 1 goes, fair. I think trying to lynch a lurker when you have scummy vibes coming from Reck's slot and CooLDoG is bad news bears, but whatever.
For point 2, what the fuck? If I were scum, why would my scum buddies voice suspicion of me but not vote? That would look super bad if either of us got lynched. Is your point that all of those people are "coaching" me? It would be pretty stupid of my scum buddies to establish an unnecessary connection to me. But I suppose your argument looks pretty good. Until you think about it. It just doesn't make sense for one scum to say at another scum "HEY YOU LOOK SCUMMY". It would make a lot more sense for one of us to be. I think trying to establish a scum connection between me and CooLDoG (or really, anyone else who's jumping on my bandwagon) is scummy. The logical explanation for why a player would have suspicion on them but few votes is becausethe player isn't doing anything all that scummy. Trying to extrapolate connections between players with so little evidence is weird, paranoid and anti-town.
I guess the real point I'm trying to make here is that UK is trying to make something out of nothing in making a case on me. In making this case, he is assuming that I am scum because I am not being voted for. This is bad logic and it is anti-town.
UK is my top scumpick at the moment, so:
vote UK
I will comment more later. I find LMP's entrance weird, what with putting a vote on me and then taking it off, but I will reserve judgment on that for later. More ISOs coming up.
I'm going to place my vote here for the moment. I'm up to page 10, and UT's play + this comment warrants a vote.
Vote: UTYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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MagnaofIllusion wrote:Vote Count 3.4 - As of Post 1550
Untrod Tripod (0) -
Lady Lambdadelta (0) -
AlmasterGM (0) -
Spyrex (2) - GreyICE, UncertainKitten
GreyICE (3) - AlmasterGM, Lady Lambdadelta, Spyrex
UncertainKitten (0) -
Mina (0) -
Fate (1) - Mina
Not Voting (2) - Untrod Tripod, Fate
The Current deadline in Februrary. The Countdown can be foundHERE
With 8 alive - 5 are required to lynch and 3 are required to lynch at deadline.
Activity Check - All good currently.
Mod, is that vote count correct? My vote should currently be on Untrod Tripod.
I direct you to the following Rule -
B2) You must Unvote, to change your vote. It must also be in bold. You are not required to specify who you are unvoting for but if you do specify who you are unvoting and specify a player who you are not currently voting the Unvote will not count.You inherited the vote Mariyta had placed.
Another day, 50 pages to go.Last edited by MagnaofIllusion on Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:19 am, edited 1 time in total.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I'm on Page 26 currently. No Vigshot yet.
I assume you're ahead of me then Fate.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Fate wrote:Hey LLD, you COULD post a summary of your thoughts every once in awhile so town would KNOW you're not just reading the game and then coming up with some sort of longterm plan as scum.
But that's just me.
Oh, sorry.
As you wish.
As of Page 26:
UT redeemed himself with me slightly when he posted the case on Zang, and admitted him mistake about UK. His play still isn't stellar so far, but he's better than what I saw on Page 9.
AGM is on the fence for me. He seems to be frustrated town, and the argument with SC reads that way to me. But I still get this gut feeling when I read him. I want to keep an eye on him.
CoolDog is horrid. I'm glad he's dead. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
AKR (Now GreyICE) was hard to read due to his internet issues, but what I saw of him was just meh. If I had to lean one way, I'd lean town, but only slightly. I want to reserve judgment of this slot to my read on GreyICE. He just replaced in.
SC is passive aggressive again. He's very much acting like he did in Lucid Dreamers. Only... with even less town vibes. I don't know. I'm hesitant to judge his play style at the moment as scummy due to the meta, but he's certainly scummy.
UK is playing to her normal town Meta. I've seen her as both, and I'm getting a town vibe from her posts too. Very confident town read here.
GhostWriter is a null read for me. BUT, with what Fate has done so far I'm getting a town read from the summation. I don't think a scum Fate would come out and do what he has done so far.
I want to hold off on my read of Mina right now, if you don't mind. I'm really back and forth with her, and my opinion is constantly changing. I want to read more of her before I give a definite read. But know that Mina is someone that I would like to ISO after I am caught up.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Oh, I see lots of posts about GreyICE. I need to read up to where he makes those posts, then assess.
But from where I sit, that SK read is kind of weird...
P-Edit: UNVOTE: At request.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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GreyICE wrote:
My role PM makes me town, not this line of logic.UncertainKitten wrote:Well, here's the question we really need to be asking.
Even if you're right...this makes you town...how?
I believe that I just helped the town, and I believe that the scum are working to push this case against me because they think with another townie dead they can afford to blow the night kill on the serial killer. SpyreX is the correct lynch today if you want to hit scum. I'm a fairly big fucking danger to them since they can't just shut me up overnight. If I ever get accepted as town, they're in big fucking trouble, and they're working their ass off to prevent that. SpyreX's arguments have all the signs of a case pushed without base. I laid this out before Fate came in and blew up the thread, and I will again.
How often does he use an attack that's utter bullshit? His claim that I shouldn't be scared of a lynch because I can just govern myself, and how that made my role bullshit? His fairly quick shutting up about that - without altering his views? His continued insistance that it would take Sylvia Brown to work out that AGM was going to shoot SC? The vast levels of sarcasm and asshattery he used?
Seriously, UK, this is your friend and apparently a good player. Is that good fucking play, or pushing a weak fucking case because you're trapped in a terrible spot and grabbing the first piece of rope you see in the darkness?
I'm going to take a break from re-reading to comment on this.
GreyICE, UK is 100% correct. Even if you are right about AGM being the SK, that doesn't preclude you from being scum.
It actually enhances your chances.
Tell me this much: How were you able to make the logical leap from Vig claim to SK? And I mean by this, how were you able to determine that AGM was specifically an SK instead of, you know,a mafia member?
The fact is, the logical leap you took reeks of TMI.
So even if the Vig/Doctor claim seems bogus (and it kinda does), and even if it were to flip SK, that would not make you any more town.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Spy~, can you maybe say that a little more clearly? I think the point you're trying to convey got lost in translation there. >.>
Are you saying you agree with Grey about AGM being SK?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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SpyreX wrote:....
How could you even possibly get that from that?
AGM is town.
GreyIce is scum.
The SK is a myth and a stupid one at that.
You try reporting on the events occurring in the Middle East for the past 2 weeks.
See how much sleep YOU get.
Thank you for clearing that up for me. >.>Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Also.
@GreyICE: TURBO CUNT? REALLY? TURBO CUNT?
I'M NOT SURE WHETHER TO LAUGH MY HEAD OFF, OR WEEP FOR HUMANITY.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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GreyICE wrote:
OH MY GOD THIS LOGIC.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I'm going to take a break from re-reading to comment on this.
GreyICE, UK is 100% correct. Even if you are right about AGM being the SK, that doesn't preclude you from being scum.
It actually enhances your chances.
Tell me this much: How were you able to make the logical leap from Vig claim to SK? And I mean by this, how were you able to determine that AGM was specifically an SK instead of, you know,a mafia member?
The fact is, the logical leap you took reeks of TMI.
So even if the Vig/Doctor claim seems bogus (and it kinda does), and even if it were to flip SK, that would not make you any more town.
I WORKED OUT HE WASN'T A MEMBER OF THE MAFIA BECAUSE HE WAS NEIGHBOR CLAIMED WITH SOMEONE I THOUGHT WAS SCUUUUMMMMMMMM.
<- BEATS FACE INTO WALL.
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And so your logical conclusion was that the neighborhood in this game contained only an SK and a Scum member?
In a 13 player game?
You're really stretching to get that conclusion...Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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AlmasterGM wrote:I actually really like that the scum think I am SK / want me as the mislynch. It means I can keep on living and pwnzorzing scumz.
Anywho, Grey is scum, so once again, I don't see why we need to turn this game into a 100+ fucking pages. Where are the votes? Let's just lynch him already.
I agree about Grey. But I'm not voting until I get a full read of the day.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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UncertainKitten wrote:@SpyreX: At this point, I'm confident enough thatwe'll lynch scum twice in a row that the AGM SK thing can be solved without risks.
@AGM: Well, we could go for the record!
More seriously, I want LLD and Fate to finish catching up and I'll be glad to hammer/vote.
@Bolded: In that case UK, are you saying that you already have the second scum pinned? If we are going to wait a bit for this day to end, use the time we have now to outline your cases. Scum and/or SK may not let you live to see tomorrow.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Page 46 right now. :3
I'm on day 2 when UT is being strung up....Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I'm tentatively voting you at the moment Grey, if that chants anything.
I'm about 10 pages from the goal.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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GUESS WHO'S CAUGHT ~UP~!
Me, if you couldn't guess.
KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS?
Vote: GreyICE
Hammer is yours UK~Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Oh, and Grey? That was a nasty slip with the big info Zang must have fed you.
I commend you for tying to cover it... But alas, to no avail.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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EBWOP: That is supposed to be "Vig Info" not big info.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Game, Set, Match?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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When I finished reading UT yesterday, he made up for his slip accusing you, with one good post.
But then he was horrible again.
SpyreX has done nothing specifically to hurt himself... But with the way SC played, it's kind of futile.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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UncertainKitten wrote:That's basically the *thing*. SC was bad enough Spy can't erase it. Though I plan to look over how they were in relation to the GI wagon.My gut says Spy is marginally bettergiven how he treated AGM after the claim.
This. Hence why my vote is on UT.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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You will get citations when I'm not on an iPhone :3
But I will provide evidence. Don't worry.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Fate wrote:....whyy in the name of all things holy would they kill MINA?
That's what I was thinking.
I was trying to figure out the reasoning for the kill...
I have an idea... But it's a stretch. >.>Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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UncertainKitten wrote:I have at least three ideas about it. I'm not entirely sure I want to reveal them right now.
Actually, I see no reason not to present them now.
I will present mine.
Assuming there is only one scum left, and assuming that scum believes as GreyICE did that AGM is a SK, then my theory would be that they chose to kill a target that the SK would not think to kill. Trying to achieve two kills in one night and make up some ground.
This seems to me like the most probable reason why anyone would shoot MINA. Fate's reaction to the kill even reinforces my theory. No one expected it.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I'd like to hear yours UK.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Fate wrote:I KNOW YOURE NOT SCUM WITH GREYICE BUT HIS SELFHAMMER HAD TO HAVE BEEN BECAUSE HE HAD A COMPETENT ACE IN THE HOLE.
THAT ACE WAS MINA.
NOW ITS....
UK?
CAN SHE FOOL ME THIS BADLY?
REALLY?
The self hammer is pointless to examine because GreyICE was going to be hammered by UK anyway.
It was a tactic employed by Grey to get you thinking along these exact lines Fate. Guarenteed.
Scum is UT. GG.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Untrod Tripod wrote:
Pretend I'm town. What does that mean?Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Scum is UT. GG.
Because I'm going to flip town if you lynch me. What do you do in that situation?
Then Spyrex is scum. Pretty simple stuff.
UK is town.
Fate is town.
AGM is town (WCS he's SK)
Leaves me two options. You or Spyrex.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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AlmasterGM wrote:*CORRECTION: They will be "tomahawked," not shot with a bullet.
Heh. Noticed that. Interesting kill flavor.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Fate wrote:LLD WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU CAN READ ME?
SPECIALLY AFTER HOW GHOST LURKED.
Fate, you're much more suave and easy to reason with when you are scum.
When you are town, you rage to the exclusion of all else.
This is my experience with you, and I know which one your giving off right now.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Fate wrote:SHOWS WHAT YOU KNOW,
BUT FINE.
WHY DID YOU KILL MINA, LLD?
IS IT BECAUSE YOU NEED UK ALIVE?
IS IT BECAUSE YOU DONT FEEL THREATENED BY ME?
Hmm let me think about that one.
If I had a NK as scum... And I could kill ANYONE I wanted... Would I kill the person with 2 faking prods?
Or the one who is probably one of the best scum hunters on the site?
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*fucking Prods.
Also, UK. Part of the reason I was so confident in lynching Grey was because of the Higu mafia parallels. He was playing the same scum you were >.>Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Fate, I don't understand this case on UK. Beyond a shit load of cop claims that you claim were faked?
I notice that UK is at L-1, and has already claimed.
So if you wouldn't mind giving me a point by point case on why you think UK is scum, that would hopefully help me understand why you are wagoning my top town read. >.>Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Can you give a point by point case on UK for me?Fate wrote:This went WAAAAAAAAAAAY down my bookmarks.
Don't stall on me when we have ONE MORE FUCKING VOTE TO VICTORY.
It's kind of a stretch for me buying UK!Scum, so if you want my vote on this, you'll need to explain your reasoning to me.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Fate wrote:Look, SpyreX knows AGM being alive=certain death tonight. SpyreX scum would've shot him last night and finger-crossed.
Same with UT.
Mariyta/LLD has been town.
AGM is totes town.
UK, whilst bleeding town all game and putting up a good front, committed the worst of sins:
The "I want to use what my dead buddy has been saying as proof, without claiming the inside info itself."UncertainKitten wrote:Also, just saying, I'm pretty sure AGMisan SK since GI basically did the same thing I did against LLD in Higu mafia. Probably NK immune. I just think we'll catch scum first.
The inside info:
The scumteam SHOT AGM NIGHT FUCKING ONE. He didn't die. GreyIce in all his madness had himself CONVINCED that Katsuki didn't send the jailkeep in on AGM intime, aka AGM IS SK THEORY.
Scum LOVE to have caught other scum through way of night actions, and to try and push that with all their might during the day.
GreyIce pushed it and pushed it with his final breath.
UK is picking up where he left via proxy, "GreyIce said it and [vauge meta here] means that he must be TRUTHING about AGM" that PLUS UK's willingess to mislynch today instead of go after "AGM scum"
SEALS THE FUCKING DEAL.
NO I DONT FEEL LIKE FAKING A GUILTY ON THE LAST SCUM, BUT HER REACTION WAS CLASSIX.
NOW KILL HER.
VOTE: UNCERTTAINKITTEN
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I am still an adamant believer in UT/SpyreX scum.
So as long as SpyreX get's shot tonight and UT is lynched tomorrow, we will win regardless.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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So... I guess we will find out who is going to change their Avvy. <3
Unvote; Vote: UKYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I'm too blinded when it comes to reading UK anyway, so while I doubt she is scum, I could be deluded.
I think town has this one wrapped up anyway.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I HATE TO SAY I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO.
UT SCUM IS OBV SCUM. >.>
AGM Vig is confirmed by his spyrex shot and his lack of a hammer. Happy I don't have to worry about prisoners dilema.
Vote: UT
This game could have been over if people had listened to me yesterday. But Noooooooo, we had to do a UK lynch.
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Untrod Tripod wrote:I'm 98% sure you're a vig, not sk. I never said you were bulletproof though, not sure where you got that from. I can just see why sk-agm might wait for LLD to vote for me. Thus my uncertainty about your alignment. For the record though, LLD's uk hammer was scummy as hell. UK was obvious fucking town. Though your choice is kind of tough, that hammer should make it a lot easier, especially considering all of the town flips on that wagon.
Hey UT! I like how you didn't vote ANYONE yesterday. As a matter of fact, you lurked it to shit. The only time you posted was to defend yourself from me. Once Fate started wagoning UK, you disappeared because you weren't in danger anymore.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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AlmasterGM wrote:dude if i wasn't town i would have just quicklynched already
why are you still going along with this SK nonsense theories?
HMM?
He's still speculating SK because he's cautious scum.
He voted me, but he's trying to leave his options open if things go south.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Untrod Tripod wrote:Yes, not participating in a bullshit wagon on an obvtown player is scummier than dropping the fucking hammer. Please.
Avoiding all suspicion that day is. You dropped of the face of the fucking earth, the MOMENT THAT FATE WENT AFTER UK.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Untrod Tripod wrote:AGM, to be totally fair, if you're town I think your decision is really rough. Mariyta played a great low-impact game and pinning her as scum will be really tough. She was not the obvious vig kill last night at all. Honestly I'm really shocked that she's (from my position) the scum. Oh well. If you're town let's try to win this.
I'm super busy this weekend (parents visiting and lots of work), but I'll do what I can to get some stuff up within a couple days to make your decision easier.
The first paragraph in this post is total AtE.
You're just dropping scum tells all over the place now aren't you?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Untrod Tripod wrote:Also I love the classic scum argument of "this thing you didn't do is scummy". It's not a case. Point out some things that either tie me to a flipped scum or show a scum agenda. You know, like hammering an obvtown player after your predecessor did hardly any scumhunting at all while tunneling me the whole game.
Whatever though. I want AGM to decide.
Edit: I'm not commenting on that because it happened super fast and I had RL shit going on. Call it a scumtell if you must sink to that level (lol activity tells), but it pales in comparison to you dropping the hammer on a bullshit wagon of a town player.
tl;dr version: I'm not going to argue with you because I don't have a real answer to your points. I'll just keep my mouth shut and hope AGM picks me! It works last round when Fate ignored me, why not now?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Tell me, if you thought UK was so "obv town" yesterday, WHY DIDN'T YOU TRY TO STOP HER WAGON?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Untrod Tripod wrote:Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Can you give a point by point case on UK for me?Fate wrote:This went WAAAAAAAAAAAY down my bookmarks.
Don't stall on me when we have ONE MORE FUCKING VOTE TO VICTORY.
It's kind of a stretch for me buying UK!Scum, so if you want my vote on this, you'll need to explain your reasoning to me.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:So... I guess we will find out who is going to change their Avvy. <3
Unvote; Vote: UK
That's what you had to say about UK yesterday. "I don't think she's scum. I don't think she's scum. HIZZAMMER. I doubt she's scum but I hammered her anyway. Town probably has this won anyway."Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I'm too blinded when it comes to reading UK anyway, so while I doubt she is scum, I could be deluded.
I think town has this one wrapped up anyway.
You hammered a town read and then said you still thought she was town.
BTW, if you're going to get upset about AtE, you really should have started barking up that tree...oh...73 pages ago. Please. You didn't use AtE as a scumtell against Fate, AGM or UK and they're *far* more guilty of it than I am.
@Bolded: "Why me? Other people did this too? Why are you using it against me?" So scummy.
As for why I hammered UK, I can't read her properly. I had a town read on her, but Fate made some compelling arguments, and I wavered in my read. I gave Fate the benefit of the doubt, knowing that I'd still have this opportunity to kill you TODAY.
And I do. Town has this won, as long as people listen to me finally and LYNCH YOU. Been asking for this for a while now, since I replaced IN to this game.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Untrod Tripod wrote:
I'm not saying "why me", I'm saying it's hypocritical on your part. I don't think AtE is a scumtell in the first place, and if you read through the game you could come to the same conclusion. I am saying you are making a cherrypicking argument by saying that because your expressed towntell (UK) did a whole lot of it and you thought she was town. You said that both before and after you hammered her.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:@Bolded: "Why me? Other people did this too? Why are you using it against me?" So scummy.
You hammered your town read knowing that there was a good chance it would lead to lylo the next day because Fate made some "compelling" arguments? Is that seriously your defense? Town players don't just "go with the flow" in that situation. You made an opportunistic hammer on the one player that pretty much everyone had a town read on because you knew that you would have no hope of defending yourself against her in a LyLo situation. That's not town play, that's scum play.Lady Lambdadelta wrote: As for why I hammered UK, I can't read her properly. I had a town read on her, but Fate made some compelling arguments, and I wavered in my read. I gave Fate the benefit of the doubt, knowing that I'd still have this opportunity to kill you TODAY.
I lol'd.Lady Lambdadelta wrote: And I do. Town has this won, as long as people listen to me finally and LYNCH YOU. Been asking for this for a while now, since I replaced IN to this game.
I made a hammer because Fate has shown before that he can pull scum out of his hat. I put a little faith in him.
Where as YOUDISAPPEARED.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I spy with my little eye, an AGM on the site. :3Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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GreyICE (LYNCHED) - AlmasterGM, Spyrex, Fate, Lady Lambdadelta, GreyICE
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What don't you notice on these last 2 wagons?
Oh, I KNOW. YOU.
As a matter of fact, I'm fairly confident that you haven't placed a legitimate vote in the past 2 game days.
You clearly were planning for this situation ever since GreyICE was wagoned.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Untrod Tripod wrote: Here are our lynches:
Katsuki (LYNCHED)-Mina, StrangerCoug, AlmasterGM,GreyICE,CooLDoG,Zang, Untrod Tripod
Zang (LYNCHED)-StrangerCoug, CooLDoG, LynchMePls, Untrod Tripod, Mariyta/LLD,GreyICE
GreyICE (LYNCHED)-AlmasterGM, Spyrex, Fate, Lady Lambdadelta,GreyICE
UncertainKitten (LYNCHED)-AlmasterGM, Fate, Spyrex, Lady Lambdadelta
Look at this. In your votes, you have hammered a townie, and bussed Zang.
Zang was obv scum. Would have been to obvious had you NOT voted on that wagon.
But you skillfully avoided the GreyICE wagon.
And then you lurked the entire day yesterday, so there was no way you could vote without being scrutinized.
Your hammer on Katsuki is bad.
Your vote on Zang was a required bus.
Your lack of vote on GreyICE was scummy.
Your lack of INPUT on the UK wagon is scummy.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I find it interesting that you come out of the woodwork in this FINAL DAY, with TONS of info and attacks PREPARED.
It's just a stark difference from your passive... scratch that, NON-EXISTENT input yesterday.
I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I'm putting this all out for AGM to see how scummy you are.
In any case, the only thing my posts show are your anti-town motives.
And tell me again, why are you so eager on having us stop argue? AGM will have more information and reads to use in the <MOST IMPORTANT VOTE OF THE GAME>.
So I see no reason to end our discussion. It just helps me further show to AGM why you are scum. Only scum would want what you are suggesting. AGM, do you see this?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Alamaster, do you have anything to say? Any questions for us you want answered?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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AGM, according to UT he "led the Zang wagon push", which he is claiming as town points. (I'll quote that lone if you need it.)
While it is true that IF Mari were scum, she would have played the perfect scum game... Maybe. She would have had to BUS BOTH her partners, and then survive a 6:1 town:scum ratio. Of her own VOLITION. I don't care how bad ass you are, to bus both your teammates by that point is lunacy.
The true scum intent lies with UT (because he's obv scum from my PoV).
First off, he hammers KatsukiBEFORE KAT CAN CLAIM THAT SHE GOT HER ACTION OFFThis seems like a scum quick hammer.
Secondly, his vote on Zang. I don't believe he STARTED the push. Rather, he saw a lot of people lining up Zang, and jumped in on it before it became too suspicious. This is the "easy town cred" you are looking for.
The next few days, UT decides his best move is not to be outward aggressive, but rather passive and lurk. On the GreyICE wagon, he posts a few comments, but doesn't help or hinder the GreyICE case. When Fate appears, UT all but DISSAPEARS, except to defend himself from me.
I will note NOW that I have seen the scum!UT for 3 days now, and no one listened to me :3
I digress, he lets the ICE wagon go without voting on it. Voting on it would give him some town cred, BUT it would also draw attention to him. His strategy at this point was to remain silent.
The next day dawns, I start with a vote on UT, he asks for a case. I promise a wall later, and he leaves.
Fate wagons UK. UT is forgotten.
And what does UT do? Nothing. He doesn't even post. Everyone forgets about him in favor of UK.
I will admit my hammer on UK was weird, but I wanted to give Fate he benefit of the doubt. He's got an amazing scumdar, and my UK reads have known to be blinded (See:Higurashi Mafia).
You could claim that my hammer was the scummier move that day, but truly, UT's lack of a vote was worse.
He knew that Spyrex asked to be shot. He knew Fate would not give up on UK lynch. So, in essenceIf he kept his mouth SHUT, he would not die.
And he didn't. And here we are. He killed the more obv town Fate last night, and ten came into today with his plan about going after me, but also labeling you as potential SK, to keep his options open.
For the past 5 days, he has done nothing but scum moves with scum intent. I caught on to him Day 3. Don't let his operation LURK2VICTORY succeed.Last edited by MagnaofIllusion on Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:08 am, edited 1 time in total.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Gah,Mod, can you fix that one tag?
Done.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Revisionist history? I'm sorry if I have a perspective bias. But to be fair, you have the same bias, in reverse.
I will not that it's not "tunneling" on you when a) You're scum and b) Mari and I have had other suspects.
:3 How about instead of defending yourself against my posts, you go find actual scum moves I or Mari have made this game, hmm?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Why do I have to choose? You've done all 3.
You ignored points you can't defend against.
You are prepared for today with minimal points against me, and lots of defenses for your slips.
And you have clearly defended yourself against points that I brought up that you have prepared for.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Waiting for AGM to come hammer scum!UT :3Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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AlmasterGM wrote:Decision today.
Just wondering; Is having the LYLO hammer as shitty as I think it is? It seems like a lot of pressure >.>Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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<3Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Fate wrote:BRAINSS
SHIT IT'S A ZOMBIE.
FUCK.
ROLL THE D20.
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