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While I am down with super powers MY super power would be one I'd prefer to have later versus earlier because of SECRET REASONS.
So I'll take it but I'd rather have someone awesomer early on to give it to.
HOWEVER:
Vote and Imbue? Check.VOTE: Edge
Imbue: Edge
The thing that makes this different from SSBB is that the person who gets the superpower isn't held accountable.
Flavorwise, it's probable that scum do not have superpowers. Just sayin.
Talking about lack of accountability IN A POST WHERE YOU IMBUE SOMEONE? Check.
Saying that 'flavor' would mean the ONE RING DOESNT DO THINGS TO EVERYONE? Wooosh Check.
(and, yes, I am a bit flummoxed at you MR EDGE but doing that NOW is so town that we can discuss this at a later date).
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Ohh thread.
VV is town.
Singer is Ffff
DAMNIT I DONT WANT IT TONIGHT. Or, well, didn't I think its ok now.Edge wrote:It was either that or come up with some BS gambit as TO WHY I SHOULDNT be imbued D1 (which I would gun for all day were I town with an actual super power regardless of ability and scum), so yeah. I was TRYING to avoid claiming town so early, but hell, I guess I'll just die N1 again.
YOU ON THE OTHER HAND NEED TO BE IMBUED EVERYTIME YOUR ARE ALIVE.
HAIL SAURONEX!
But, I understand and, as we will see later, approve of your messages.
HOWEVER:
Nah I'm pretty slow BUT on top of how rediculous lol flavor IS and the simple mechanical idea of an item that has no downside:Gan wrote:While I can't think of why town wouldn't be able to use the ring(I only just bought the Silmarillion, and haven't gotten around to reading it yet, so I don't even know who the hell MY character is), scum are the good guys. In the books, good guys don't use the ring. Thus, scum don't use the ring. Comprende?
Spy, you're stupid. That is all. Scum can't use the ring, thus I would rather give it to someone who I trust to use it properly IF they are town than no-one.
Also, I think you're forgetting that ITS THE RVS.I PURPOSELY VOTED AND IMBUED. GET THE FUCK OVER IT.
Pretty sure in those fancy books and movies it sure as hell was possible, and happened more than once, that Frodo used the ring.
Its the damn ring. Good lord.
But, lets leave that part aside (and, since its like shootin fish in a barrel the simple fact that 'scum can't use the ring' is ONLY A QUANTIFIABLE STATEMENT IF YOU ARE SCUM):
Voting for AND imbuing the same person is a ridiculous scum cop out.
See, AT MINIMUM, imbuing is saying "I think this guy can get stuff done". The reality is its going to be "I think this guy is town."
No matter how you cut that, voting for that person means either the lol, RVS vote is junk or you're copping out on the latter. AND WHY IS A MYSTERY OHHH WAIIITT
What is this? WHAT IS THIS? FATTEEEOn that note: Since it is likely that scum recieving the ring might become action-immune, I wouldn't recomend anybody but the doc targeting the ring-bearer as it's possible that your action would be useless.
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But, to the matters at hand.
Unvote, Vote: Plum
No dice. Again, while this doesn't make sense as SCUM MOVE TM:
No way. No other words are necessary.Fate, dude, if you'd managed to post UNDER THIS ACCOUNT for a reasonable percentage of the game I Modded I might've remembered.
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And eso is probably a partner. However, when there's more than one kill tonight don't make that AWESOME MISTAKE of thinking Gan-town for this debacle.
I'm gonna need WAY more on AGM-scum because I sure as hell am not seeing it.-
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Ohhh SNAP that's hilarious.
Hint: I'm most definitely not a Nazgul. Even a little bit.
Good lord I was tired and I thought you were saying I had to post IN SEVEI which didn't make any sense as an abbreviation for ANY game I'm in.
And, again: "It was random voting" doesn't work when your IMBUE wasn't (hint: that is also a 'vote') and "Lol, RVS" doesn't change that a whit.
I'm down with SEVEI getting it. As things sit, I think its alright if I do. But if SEVEI has some awesome well.-
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The hell is this?So, yeah, I got bored after pg 7 and skimmed the rest. Regardless, I'm going to Unimbue: Spy, Imbue: quadz. I think Spy has a tendency to follow Fate/Edge, much like gandalf, and I can't trust his towniness at this point.
I 'follow' Edge when its fairly apparent that EDGE IS TOWN. Because, Edge is pretty tech when the dice come down.
However, this illustrates something that has been asked more than once and I haven't seen a good reason for:
What is the rationale for Imbuing quadz?
Especially considering this:
Notice something here?Plum (5): Edge, gandalf5166, MasterSpy, SpyreX, AlmasterGM, (Sevei)
quadz08 (6): quadz08, singersigner, VasudeVa, Katy, Plum, Maritya
There is no overlap. None. It is NOT a coincidence that everyone imbuing quadz isn't on the Plum wagon and I'm calling megateaparty on a Plum-scum flip. Mega.
Hot damn, seriously.
And, again, Gan goes "9 NAZGUL = 9 TOWN POWER OF THE TIME CUBE" and when I flat out call that the garbage it is NOTHING.-
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As it should. (As an aside, a while ago I had a dream that Vi, Fate and I were town and the game went D1 Start - Scum Win. It was hilarious).My only experience with you is in games Fate/Edge has been in, so forgive me for being a bit hesitant about your play. Honestly, if you and Edge were scum together, I think you'd rule this town (or any town), and that worries me.
However, the stars refuse to align and that still hasn't happened.
And, further, for that to be a concern you'd have to believe Edge, even more than me, is scum.
Which lines up with this:
All quadz, really, has done is defend Plum.I found him to be the most townish so far, so he's a safe vote.
Edge has been on the offensive there for GOOD REASON and no way in hell is that a bus.
So, really, you're saying Plum is town and quadz is town for defending town.
Hells no.
Thats not the part I'm really focused on. That kind of dispersal isn't an accident and with a few flips I want THIS RIGHT HERE WATCHED because guaranteed there be a code there that's gonna cause some major death.That's actually very insightful. Hmm... However, if Plum is scum, I would not doubt at least one scum buddy is on her wagon. And if she's not scum, well, the same holds true.
In his trip down insanity lane one of the many awesome and amazing things Gan has done was directly say all the town are Nazguls because 9 = 9. This, of course was a rationale for there being no SK among other awesome things.In plain English, please?
The kicker? I flat claimed not Nazgul and nothing. Not a peep.
From anywhere.
Because its not going to get quickhammered and if it does well even better.Spy, if you don't want to take the shiny special Ring, and you don't want Quadz to have it, I wanna know who you would want to have it and possibly why your vote isn't there, because whoever it is it doesn't look like a quickImbuehammer would be possible so I dunno what you're waiting for and why you're whining about a wagon when you're not voting a counterwagon and I'm at like L-2.
I may make a push for it with things how they shake out (hint: If Plum IS scum then me having it is a good thing. Else, not as good).
I like Sevei but they're inactive. Edge doesn't want it. So, I'm dancing.
@Edge:
AGM rings hella town and may be a good alternative depending. HALP-
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I sure dont either but thats the connection there based on your quadz love. Among others.Mari wrote:I'm not quoting your entire post, but I don't see how quadztown=Plumtown. Please enlighten me. And if you wouldn't mind, can you comment on gandalf's claim that Edge's first target is usually scum, and why everyone (but me) is now ignoring his first target?
Ohh snap almost there.Mari wrote:Edge did too, and as I already pointed out, there is no way the setup would be 9 Nazgul good guys. Then the town would just go to the Wiki, make everyone list their role, and call end game right there. Broken. Not gonna happen.There may be all 9 Nazgul in the game, but some of them will likely be safe claims.
The back and forth with Edge before jumping is town. Bank on it.Mari wrote:Where on earth do you get townAGM from?
These go together because they're part of the same thing.Spy, I don't see how that means I must be scum. It just means I was wrong, and realized I was wrong when Mari showed me that the Nazgul actually were named.I personally didn't find it terribly interesting / helpful. It does make you seem somewhat townier, what with being willing to admit that, but it says nothing about Gandalf's alignment, and really didn't do too terribly much for yours. I'm unsure why you think this point deserved discussion.
IF I HAVE TO POST THE RAW VOLUME OF BAD AND BIZARRE 'FLAVOR LOGIC' GAN HAS USED (ALMOST LIKE, MAYBE, HE HAS SOME REASON TO PUSH THIS) I WILL
BUT THAT CAN WAIT FOR AFTER A PLUM SCUM FLIP GOD IN HEAVEN YOU GUYS.
Seriously "I can't see why someone with a Nazgul 'claim' would run the IT MUST BE TOWN move" I swear to god.
THIS IS WHO YOU WANT TO HAVE THE RING AGAIN.Quadz wrote:NOT BETTER. quickhammer=bad. Nobody has the ring when hammer goes through = worse.
There's been enough talk. Someone slipping a hammer in here is no accident. Unless your power is "Get a scum lynched tomorrow guaranteed" someone hammering without the Imbue at this point is about the best thing that could possibly happen in the multiverse.
GOD
Where.VV wrote: Welp.Quadz posts strike me as genuine scumhuntingas they are well thought out and reasoned.His defense of Plum is too straightforward and too brave for them to be scumbuddies.I see no reason for quadz-scum to defend Plum-Town.
I see a pinch of "gan can't be scum" and a bucket of "Plum isn't scum" and...
Nothing.
Add in the simple fact in PR land its probably worth trying to save a buddy (not for the least of reasons your underlined sthick) and getting the Imbue? FFFF-
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See below.singer wrote: Spyrex, if you don't think quadz is town, then you think he's scum, so there must be some reasoning behind thinking that, yes? Care to explain it to the rest of us?
Preview Edit...Gandalf...what?
Except thats not what I'm getting at.VV wrote:??? This is so weird. Why shouldn't we take advantage of the imbue? Even from a statistics point of view, it is likelier that we'll get Town on the Ring. I don't think we should even be thinking about the consequences of imbuing scum at this stage because it's still D1. Assuming that this is a balanced game, it is the best time to pick Town to get the ring(Max results.) and the best time for scum to take the ring(won't instalose us the game.)
Yes, someone should get the ring.
However, this calling wolf on a quickhammer to stop it is redonk. The ONLY person who would pull that stunt is Plum-scum - because anyone else trying it is dead the next day, period.
Seriously now.
Thats not 'hunting scum'. Thats not even 'hunting town' (which is tech when done right).quadz' genuine scumhunting is....well, all that you just said. It is possible that you may have your own opinion for quadz...but you are not explaning much.
What's wrong with his 'Gandalf can't be scum' idea? I think it is a great read actually. No fucking way in hell will scum automatically scream out their Nazgul Fakeclaim.
What's wrong with his 'Plum isn't scum idea? I have already explained the possible dichotomies and why they are unlikely.
To review:
quadzscum & Plumscum -> Unlikely due to quadz aggressive defense
quadzscum & PlumTown -> Unlikely due to quadz having no reason to defend PlumTown as scum. Scum only buddy people who aren't getting lynched. It is a waste of energy to do otherwise.
quadzTown & Plumscum/Town -> Possible.. but if this is what you're thinking about what's the problem with Quadz getting the imbue then?
Also, You called me Town(ISO#2) but you seem to have a problem with calling quadz Town.. why?
Last but not the least..... Why aren't you taking this up with him yourself?
Vote: SpyreX
Thats tsk,tsking and nothing else. And there's ALWAYS a scum benefit for that come on now.
And, lord, I THOUGHT it was very clear I'm getting extremely paranoid at quadz/plum scum together. Or, hell, even quadz scum alone.
As for 'taking it up' I'm making it pretty clear where it goes.
THAT SAID:
This I like. I actually went and looked and the jump is bizarre.quadz wrote:Those were her only mentions of me in 231, and between 225 and 230, I was mentioned once. By Gandalf. Who said "why the fuck are we imbuing quadz?"
Ummmmm... yeah. I don't like that one bit, Mariyta. AGM is on hold.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mariyta
Even better is:
QFT
I did a re-read, genius, AS I MENTIONED IN THE BEGINNING OF THAT POST. FFS. Your last posts have been absolutely horrible, though. Attack the people who trust you. Good plan. Keep it up.
Unimbue Fuck it. No one gets my vote.
EDGE I need to know how confident you are on your towntell because I'm still seeing ultra-teaparty there BUT this doesn't add up with that.So, yeah, I got bored after pg 7 and skimmed the rest.Regardless, I'm going to Unimbue: Spy, Imbue: quadz. I think Spy has a tendency to follow Fate/Edge, much like gandalf, and I can't trust his towniness at this point.
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If your claim is that clear why not just say what it IS and let the obvious conclusion fall out?
Not "secret powers tee hee"
Actually, NO, not yet.
I want one of team AGM-lynch to even pretend to compile what the hell is going on there because I STILL dont see it (I didn't realize you were higher than Plum FFS)-
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See this.Almost certainly. If his stance begins as "scum don't have superpowers," a stance he defended pretty staunchly and then switches to "scum have awesomesauce supers," something HAS to have occurred inbetween the two. That "something" was Edge suspecting me.
Notice specifically that when Edge imbues me, gandalf imbues me too and doesn't mention the theory at all. He only constructs the theory when he needs a reason to sheep.
And there are a dozen other examples of this too, I'm sure.
This is what I've been talkin about there.
Additionally I'm missing what in the hell happened.-
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The only thing in this mess that gives me pause is, really, from your first post and what we've seen I'd have expected you to make more of a push for the ring - your normal is junk, but the superpower is not bad.
But, I dont think its top of the mountain awesome so I kinda dig?
And this jump to ring-eater I don't get.
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NOW, before all the madness happened I was thinking give the ring to someone else, leave you be, let party time happen. I don't think that outcome makes sense as it sits.-
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WOOO RL CAN SUCK IT
.... Wow.Maryita wrote:Oh, hi MasterScum. Nice to meet you. Funny how the main case I've given is on you, and look where you decide to place your vote. Your case is crap, and I hope anyone who reads it is smart enough to go look for themselves. My vote will not be moving today.
Haven't read the rest of the stuff since Tuesday. I will at some point today.
DONEIf it's time for me to go then it's time for me to go.
Since I replaced in the argument has been OMGZ Mariyta SCUMMY hohum MUST GO
On day 1 mind you. It's quite unreasonable to expect a replacement to defend what has been decidedly emotional play. I simply can't do that and I'm not going to go on the offensive while I'm being wagoned.
tl;dr lynch me or fuck off.
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I"m FINE with Plum taking the rope.Also, this entire post incriminates SpyreX as the next Plum scum chum. (see what I did there?)
And you can take this one to the bank.
However, the "kill or clear" business in a replacement slot with that kind of shenanigans can go too.
So, really, bullets and ropes either way.
And I'm guessin whatever town business you saw is dead.
FINE.
Lets move and go.
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AGM is telling the truth about his first ability. (while nothing, of course, inside it is confirmed).
Other SECRET REVELATIONS can wait but awesome things are a comin'.
Vote: Hohum
Imbue: VV-
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Jesus.
FATE YOU BETTER GET YOUR HYDRA IN CHECK
Because, STILL ALWAYS AND FOREVER Hohum needs rope. VV IS STILL THE RIGHT IMBUE AND WE DO NOT NEED DIAGRAMS EXPLAINING THIS.-
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Ohh I swear to everything holy.
1.) ANDY FFFF
2.) VV IS STILL TOWN AND IF I HAVE TO YELL TWICE AS HARD GOOD LORD.
3.) DEKES IS CONFIRMED TOWN. WE ARE ALSO NOT GOING DOWN THAT ROAD. TIA-
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Jesus I didn't expect THAT move.
Desperation is a beautiful thing.
Vote: SS
Fate is ultra-town. By play, by mod, by every other measure.
In fact, after the events of yesterday I actually want the ring because I've got Fate plans for it depending.-
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LATAZ is today.
So I'm fine.
I'm an enabler.
Probalo is I enable scum kills so I didn't WANT to enable N1.
Now, no problem with it.
KINDA ON LOSING IN A MAGIC DRAFT TYVM-
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GOD I AM BAD AT THAT GAME
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Anywho, I am The Balrog
Normal Power: I can see if someone is Gandalf and if they are kill them (HAHAHA Gandalf can't be in the game yeehaw)
Super Power: I can Enable someone and they act twice in the next night phase.
So, Ring + Swap Ring = Fabulous prizes.
However, since it can enable the kill I want the good stuff.
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I'm the chump because gandalf can't even be in the game HUZZAH.
I should have pushed more for the ring yesterday but god in heaven I didn't want to deal with his before hohum was murdered into a million pieces.-
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After Plum flipped it was pretty clear you were town.
The second edge got replaced it was obvious.
But, god this role. "HAY FATE YOU ARE TOWN ARE YOU GOOD AT STUFF THAT I COULDKILLENABLE YOU WITH"-
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Its not teehee. No scum is playing that fast and loose when the mod's getting grumbly. Especially with one dead.
You're town. Mos def.
Yea and thats the whole stupid problem now isn't it.
But VV is alive and I STILL HOLD he is town.-
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COMPARED TO WHAT IS GOING ON JESUS MAN
I'm pretty sure I've never commented on him, Sevei really little because they say good things then vanish because there's a whole mess of business going on.
AND FRANKLY IF I HAVE TO GO FINE. I've been terrible here and I dig AND I've got assbutt the role without the ring.
Just YOU YES YOU pay attention after I'm dead and look real close at this SS business AND DONT KILL VV IF THEY LEAVE HIM ALIVE.
FOLLOW ME HERE-
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AND YOU CHUCKLES
Yes, I claimed "The Balrog" because that's what the damn role is.
My flavor blurb even says "one of the last remaining Balrogs" and the first damn thing I commented on was how that didn't make sense but whatev's.
Jesus H that is a me quote??
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Ohhh lord I forgot all about that.
Wooooo haw.
Dude you wont get revenge for a while I'm burned out and after this last batch ends I'm done for a while I THOUGHT I TOLD YOU THAT.
And still no revenge here regardless.
But you CAN put me out of my damn misery I guess. I forgot about that terrible riding the bus to lurkerville vote from eso AND forgot spy replaced eso apparently.
JESUS
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I didn't forget you were edge what in the hell is going on?
I forgot eso was spy AND that in the before times I caught that eso choo choo vote.
Many things have been forgotten because I'm playing like shit lately.-
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I still have fun with you.
Always. Sheesh. You're one of the few these days.
And Sevei I remember as town and I'm fine with an MS lynch under choo choo grounds but that SS vote is still junk and you know it.-
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Those god forsaken italics.
ISO is a mixed bag. There's WAY more heat SS way than Plum side but the SS points are solid. Holding a bus over a better case?
Mari hate is overplayed but jesus.
Calling out gandalf for his "Woe is me only the people without PRECIOUS META call me scum" is tech though. Trying to push you to push gan doesn't make a lot of sense.
God I hate hydras. The Mina head makes sense and the MoI head reads like a bag of hot air. FFFF
I know. I know. I just absolutely didn't remember writing those words at all. Zero. Zilch.I still want you dead especially given your "I LOOKED at that and went "huh?"
So I assumed it was someone being clever and the only other person TALKING then was VV.-
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Hold this madness train up a second.
You're the one ring?
The thing we imbue on people?
WHAT?
Gandalf if your RB madness or whatever the hell it is can make that make sense I'd love to know.
Even more awesome is VV voting for Fate AND SS not commenting on this.-
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God quote stripin time:
@Sevei:
First off:I didn't vote because I'm still trying to work out some of this mess for myself. Gandalf and Fate are being adamant that only two people visited Fate (I quoted Gandalf saying that); so...knowing what I know is confusing the issue for me. I brought it out in the open in order to open more avenues of discussion and to try to stop this train wreck barrage of crap going back and forth today.
Basically as to how I know this stuff, I'm the Precious, and I get to go home with you at night if you get imbued. We talk, drink cocoa, swap recipes, that sort of thing, and I complain about Gollum and his fish fetish. We also try to figure out which of you just wants to melt me down into molten lava because obviously I'm not too keen on that.
I'm going to try to walk through my logic here and point out where I'm having problems:
Gandalf being adamant about two people is moonmath and unless he has a SERIOUS REASON for it that has nothing to do with anything.
I sure don't remember Fate saying that but since I'm doing stellar I could be wrong.
I DID go back and check this though:
Which is nebulous on purpose but its pretty crystal clear in retrospect there's more than one.quadz wrote: PART OF MY SUPERPOWER IS THAT I GET TO CHOOSE ONE PLAYER TO WATCH. I CHOSE EDGE. I SAW [REDACTED NUMBER] PLAYERS VISIT EDGE. 1 OF THEM WAS GANDALF. 0 OF THEM WAS VV.
ODDLY ENOUGH (and you were so close and even mentioned it):
So, realistically, the REAL question is: who was the other(s) that targeted Fate and WHY IN THE HELL didn't quadz say anything about them?When Quadz first made his claims, he never specified the number of players who targeted Edge.Then Singer asked why we weren't lynching the "other person" that he had seen visit Edge.Quadz's flip revealed he is a voyeur, which means he normally only sees actions, but he specifically said his superpower allowed him to watch a player which means he would have seen who actually did the targeting.
...The thing is, I'm pretty sure if someone tried to kill Edge and Gandalf protected him, then Quadz would not have seen the unsuccessful kill, just as he didn't see VV's unsuccessful visit, which means that if anyone else successfully visited Edge that night, it wasn't to kill him. Therefore, if he really meant that he saw multiple visitors that night then he only saw town PRs, not scum. (I think Quadz chose not to claim the exact number he saw visit because he either knew someone else had visited and not harmed him OR that he hadn't worked everything out, either.) (And GEEEEZ Fate, what are you selling to get so much company at night?)
VV being unsuccessful due to RB is different than ?? (AND I THINK IT SHOULD START BECOMING CLEAR) being seen attempting the kill. And how in the assbutt from what has been said in thread would he be able to differentiate between town and scum PR's?
Which really brings me to the issue ex machina:
This is REALLY saying in the most teehee fashion ever "Lynch Fate".I think this answers your questions, Singer. I think the point I'm getting to is that even if Quadz saw multiple persons visit Edge, he also roleblocked Edge, and with the lack of a N1 kill and the insistence that the killer must have been roleblocked and that only two people visited Edge, then that roleblock is something we need to examine more closely because what people are saying is not adding up.
Which is no me gusta.
I'm still not sold on scum from this because I will give you one thing:
In the normal world it makes sense. In THIS GAME it absolutely doesn't.
There's two scenarios:
1.) Fate is scum that got RB'd by quadz.
2.) Fate is town that got protected by gan and quadz saw the MYSTERIOUS SECOND GUNMAN and didn't say who it was.
When you remember that the first part of #2 is bet on hats we get to who, WHO, would quadz have seen target Fate and not say something in thread?
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