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Mostly for later game vote analysis purposes. The only things you can actually trust in mafia are votes and flips. Vote analysis is a pain and I'm lazy, but I do like to sprinkle some in as we start narrowing things down.
So, instead of you voting UT because you suspect him, I'd see a gap in your voting history and probably find that curious."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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@GI: What happened to it being good for scum to know who Zang roleblocked?
I also would like the answer as AGM is pressing. It feels like you're evading the question."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I'll admit it's interesting SC replaces out NOW after I've posted some reasonably good reasons for him to die, rather than earlier when he considered us insulting to him. I'd consider the "learn to read" thing more demotivating then just some cases."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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GI, are you planning to answer the question? Am I right in guessing that you are abandoning your criticisms of AGM's theory?
Also, I have a plan to move out. It'll take a couple years, but I know I can do it."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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AGM, AKR has been in the back of my mind for a while regarding GI.
@GI: What happened to it being good for scum to know who Zang roleblocked?
Also, that doesn't answer AGM's question. Can you use his two options OR produce a third?
I don't mind you questioning, but I do mind you evading."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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@GI: OK. So how does knowing Zang's target make it easier for the scum to kill him? The fact that he's outted as a roleblocker already does the damage you propose. Why did you say asking his targets was something scum would want?
@AGM: It's actually a reasonable conjecture that all QT groups are on the same level. That said,there is no confirmation scum have daytalk
@UT: Can you elaborate on all three reads?
@AGM: Not sure I see things your way. Can you explain the contradiction?
@Mina: We're making headway. I think important things are coming to light. I know it sucks to keep getting cut, but please bear with it.
@GI: AGM actually didn't call me scum when I questioned him earlier in the game. Now, I HAVE run into games where neighbors didn't have daytalk and scum did. And vice versa. So it's not certain. But I see where you're coming from.
@AGM: Not reading it as that. It reads as GI changing his read as more information came to light."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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@AGM: The daytalk thing mainly. Things seem to flow from that.
Granted, that evasion kinda irritated me. And it does reflect badly on GI. I don't see him as worse than my current favorites, but I am willing to consider him more than I was."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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So, you're going to blatantly lie. Good show Zang. You've been either active lurking or lurking all game. You haven't made a post of substance yet and your above post fits the same pattern. Now all I need to do is check if you cared about Mari in the past and I'll probably have checkmate."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Zang wouldn't be a bad lynch, I guess. It's just at this point, why replace a slot that's going to get lynched eventually.
But, I'll go with Zang if necessary.
@Mina: The thing is, we're NOT punishing a quitter. LOOK AT RECK AND LMPs ISOs! THEY ARE PRETTY FUCKING SCUMMY! We'd be lynching someone who is, by all rights, scummy. NOT lynching someone just because they quit. Please don't misrep me."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I'm calling in the big guns for SC. I've poked some familiar names about replacing in. It should at least give the game a bit more life, so I wanna keep SC's slot alive at least a little longer to see what happens."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Well, I'd like to say that's ridiculous but I've been in a game with an SK with a TON of missed kills, so I can't say it's outside the realm of possibility.
I AM happy with the idea of lynching Zang right now and sorting out the rest later.
Admittedly, an SK/scum pair would be irritatingly...mundane and also rather cruel to the SK. Thought of doing it once but Vi dissuaded me.
@AGM cut: You know what? You might be right. You know what will help this chain the most right now? Lynching Zang. Then you shoot GI. If he flips town, we lynch your ass because I find his reasoning somewhat logical. If he flips scum, we'll follow your chain to completion.
Willing to make that bet, AGM?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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@GI: Eh, I'd believe it. I've made crazier set ups, I'm certain. Of course, I also throw a LOT of power on the scum to counteract what I give town.
The big thing is, I don't know MoIs modding style or what he'd throw in a set up."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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GI! Do you have any objections to my proposed course of action? You're kinda involved in the mess so your opinion does matter. Are you that confident in your reads? And your alignment?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Unfortunately, I have a fuckton of work to do which sucks because I wanted to sit on this discussion because it's fun. Most fun I've had all game, really. Things are getting real, and I like it when things get real. But, I'll have to work for a few hours. Should be back around 4 PM EST."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Did you miss the part where I said if you die and flip town, we're lynching AGM out of hand unless he has DAMN good infallible evidence for his townness?
And did you miss the part where your power role is fucking useless?
You won't be "letting him off the hook"
I find your desire for self preservation, given those facts, disturbing."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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You could also claim scum now and I'll take your accusations under consideration. No shame in claiming scum to out an SK. Did it before. Almost got her lynched too but everyone derped it the fuck up. Fortunately, you have me around to make sure it DOESN'T GET DERPED THE FUCK UP >=[!
@GI: Ah, right, the day night thing.
I...actually don't really give a damn at this point. The game isn't about power roles, it's about scum hunting. We have a situation that leads to most of the scum being killed with your death. What power role justifies staying alive over lynching TWO scum with reasonable certainty?
And finally, what do you think will prevent AGM from shooting you anyway?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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You DO realize outted SKs pretty much have to be used as vigs, right? Or get lynched. So we're going to use AGM as a vig, and NOT fucking lynch him yet, thank you GI.
Also, bulletproof isn't that fucking powerful. Get over yourself.
Hell, I've used UNTARGETTABLES in games with one kill.
Especially limited bulletproof? I have a few guesses as to how you're limited.
So, we're lynching fucking Zang, we're voting on an AGM kill, and then we figure out what the hell to do with you and AGM.
To that end, my vote is that AGM kill LMP.
(And yes, I should be working but the state of affairs in this game was distracting me)"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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@GI: You underestimate me. How many times have I pulled the bullshit you suggest off as SK myself? You've read my gaming history. I know how to play third party. And I know how to get it lynched when it's usefulness has run out.
AGM is good. But you know what? I'm fucking better!!!
...GI, you fucking hammered Zang. What the hell? We were supposed to fucking vote on AGM's kill."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I'll note confirmation bias is a bitch. If the dots start connecting too much you might wanna start from scratch.
General advice. But we'll have a flip to see where it leads soon enough
@Mari: Don't think so at all, just was wondering if anyone had a plan if the impossible happened.
Also, do you think my batshit CD theory might be worth revisiting if Zang flips town?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Yeah, clearly there's a mistake. LMP flipped town.
What the hell LMP? Why would you even play like that?
So, now what do we do?
First, AGM's usefulness is outlived...theoretically today, unless we lynch or shoot scum.
So, we have two options. The safe bet which is lynch AGM. The awesome risky bet that cool people do though, is to LYNCH SOME FUCKING SCUM TODAY. And then have AGM shoot the other scum! And then we lynch AGM and we're all like YAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!
Which plan is everyone else voting for?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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We're in mylo tomorrow no matter what.
AGM is almost certainly an SK.
So, Plan A is lynch AGM, someone dies, leaving us with (assumably) 4:2
Plan B is lynch or shoot someone who's scum, hopefully, or else we're screwed, and lead into, as a worst case:
3:1:1
We lynch AGM, and go into F3 and hope we win."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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@Spy: You missed the part where I damn well support lynching scum today, as opposed to AGM.
@Mina: Why? It's important we determine how we're doing this, because OTHERWISE WE END UP IN A PRISONER'S DILEMMA!"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Well, I said I was bringing in a good player. And admit it, AGM, you know SpyreX being here is making this game 100% better, regardless of his alignment.
Oh, btw, what is your proof about the whole being town thing you mentioned yesterday?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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That's really really not compelling evidence. For one, no proof you're a doctor. And two, see Insane Asylum II. SK doctor.
Now, as for scum calling you SK, see Higurashi mafia. I claimed scum after a truly terrible situation and *correctly* pointed out the SK. Town didn't listen because I was "confirmed scum".
This thinking is slippery.
@SpyreX: Why do you believe him? Secondly, didn't we figure that AGM got attacked for some reason?
And, finally, I still don't wanna lynch AGM today, so that's settled."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Because it's entirely possible he deduced you were a vig from behavior? Naw, that never happens.
Why are you even arguing with me? I'm not opposed to a GI lynch, I just want to think things through when I have time to look at things."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Long story short, you're trying to have it both ways without explanation. That seems rather manufactured now that you got called on it. Care to elaborate why GI doesn't work as Zang's buddy? Zang the pretty much imminently bussable?
Short story long would be a Tale of Two Cities."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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First you're all gung ho for Gray Ice. But magically when he's getting fully wagoned and the uncertainty fades, you back off without any reasoning. HOW CONVENIENT!!!
Did you miss the imminently bussable part? You did? Oh, yeah, Zang is imminently bussable.
You're go Mr. Oh Shit I Don't Have An Answer Quick Evade The Question"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Well, what else would have stuck?
And that's quite a lot of town cred if you had gotten it to lynch. Enough to be worth someone as useless as Zang.
You still haven't answered my question. Why are you evading my question? Don't have an answer Scumpants McGee?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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That's better UT. Also, I rechecked events. I thought Zang was trending before your post. Turns out SC was trending more, along with a few others.
Admittedly, dislike the misrep here. When the scum is THAT ridiculously bad, bussing becomes a LOT more likely.
That said, you had other options at that time. There IS the possibility you didn't think the case would take off though, since it came from you. I'm not sold on your townness but see it as possible."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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So, now I have a quandry. At this point, I'm REASONABLY sure the last two scum are in UT, GI, and SpyreX. A little less certain since LMP would have been my pick before UT and GI. I also am beginning to get the GW hate since he seems to magically disappear when no one is looking at him. UT has a fair point about Zang, one defeatable but still reasonably decent. GI is too close to lynch for me to slam my vote on him. And, honestly, I like SpyreX thus far, though he's generally a good player regardless of alignment.
I also like keeping my vote down because it's a concrete show of my opinions. So...yeah...
@UT: Because Zang is Zang. I had a CD read on him until I did my partial reread, and then AGM came out with his stuff and it quite honestly became a huge fucking mess. And then the wagon kinda hit L-1 and I wasn't going to hammer til we worked things out. Fair enough?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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@AGM: Difference is motive. UT oscillated. I've been fairly consistent in my suspicion but wasn't on the wagon.
@UT: Um, that's hilarious because that's exactly what that post says."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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@Spy: I have no idea how the fuck you saw Reck Town. Both he AND LMP didn't produce a damned LICK of content all game.
Clearly they still magically flipped town, but they were amazingly bad."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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@UT: The big thing is you didn't explain it. You have now and it makes you look a little better.
Well, I DID find LMP pretty damn scummy. I might have been emphasizing this to get his lynch. Clearly I was wrong."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I dragged him in cause I was sick of this game and saw a way to spice it up. I *do* try to have fun you know.
Well, your gut is right on me, but, I have an increasing suspicion that you don't need gut to know I'm town. Your role PM probably lists that I'm not your buddy ^-^.
But, hey, I'll give you this. SpyreX is a plausible buddy to you, for the sins of SC. And you do have a couple points, particularly the fact Spy was willing to drop AGM on the doctor thing and I'm like "what?" over here about that still."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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EBWOP: Might as well money where my mouth is for now.
Sorry Spy.Unvote, Vote SpyreX
SC really just made things nigh impossible for you. Granted, I still think we should lynch GI today, but I don't wanna open things up to a scum quickhammer.
That said, you made a good entry and I thank you for joining us for even a little bit. Made me feel so much better about this game."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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@Spy: Oh, I knew there would have to be two parts to the claim. I fully expected that. But the thing is...uh...THAT DOESN'T SAY A FUCKING THING ABOUT HIS ALIGNMENT! BECAUSE ZANG SCUM ALSO HAD TWO PARTS!!!
@UT: I'd lynch GI now. Bugged by AKR and GI's activity has oscillated between useful and insane."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Mmm...the 1 v. 1 play makes me think SpyreX is trying to set it up so that GI *obviously* isn't scum or SpyreX *obviously* isn't scum once one of them flips scum.
Just sayan'."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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