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Way to bookmark your position on me so you can come back for a vote by saying you "found me suspicious at the beginning". That's not extremely garden variety fakehunting or anythingAlmasterGM wrote:
And then within the next 3-4 posts people are like, "OMG we're out of RVS." If we're out of RVS then "go go gadet bandwagon" isn't an acceptable vote. Yes?UT wrote:unvote, vote Katsuki
go go gadget bandwagon
But me personally, I don't care much about that. I'm liking my vote on Mariyta right now. Because this "people haven't posted" thing when it's page 2 and half the playerlist hasn't posted is 1) silly 2) forced scumhunting 3) smells like fake trying to appear town.
Also, early bandwagoning is not the same thing as thinking it's still RVS. I'd rather not devolve into a theory discussion now though, that won't do us any good at all.-
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Hey guys. Really sorry about not posting. Angry playstyles like Reck's make me clam up and I was finding it easier to watch what happened in relation to me lurking than to start participating. That ends now.
I have reread and am going to be doing some ISOs over the next day or so to make up for my lack of posting.
I find two things very odd:
1. Reck's miller claim
2. This quote:
"I am so town I don't need to edit my posts if they don't make sense". Are you fucking serious? There is ABSOLUTELY no town benefit to bad posting. Period. End of story. Claiming otherwise is anti-town.UK wrote:As for reading my posts before posting them, I do, but I rarely feel the need to edit them. You know why? I'm town, and my thought processes reflect that. I have nothing to hide. If I make a seeming contradiction, perhaps rather than saying "OH MAI GAWD U CONTRADICK *hurr hurr* ED URSLF!!", you should THINK for two seconds about just HOW said contradiction benefits scum.
That being said, I want to address one thing first: UK's "case" on me. The first comment about how "no one is voting for UT" was weird, but at this point it's getting scummy. I don't think D1 it's scummy, exactly, to be making a case for lynching a lurker, but I find the case troubling. I'm going to post all of the relevant UK quotes on the subject here:
1 wrote:... you know what's REALLY wierd? I see UTs name being thrown about but no actual votes on him. How disturbing.
Unvote, Vote Untrod Tripod
FoS: AGM
I would have done it in the opposite order but I find it incredibly odd that somehow UT has been dodging votes.
@havingfitz: Why did you unvote Untrod Tripod? When are you going to provide a top suspect?2 wrote:Where did I say I disliked the attack? I said it was more sound than his attack on Mari, just that in isolation I wasn't sure if there was anything strong enough to commit to on UT.
When combined with the fact that UT ~*~magically~*~ has no votes despite no less than three people expressing suspicion of him, THEN we have some shenanigans.
Basically, I think AGM is kinda poking UT so if UT flips, he can be like "I KNEW IT!", while not starting the wagon on UT. It's a weak case but I think it's a good start. Really, both AGM and UT are fully lynchable to me, at this time.3 wrote:/me notes CooLDoG failing to votehis scumbuddyUT.
So the logic is that I am scummy4 wrote:I suspect AGM because he seems to acknowledge everything wrong with Untrod Tripod but uses significantly weaker reasoning to vote Mariyta.
I suspect Untrod Tripod since he has done effectively nothing of value, but for some reason a lot of people suspect him...without him getting much votes. I find it VERY INTERESTING that he's evaded votes while getting so much attention.
1. Because I have lurked
2. People have voiced suspicion of me without voting. These people are my scumbuddies.
As far as point 1 goes, fair. I think trying to lynch a lurker when you have scummy vibes coming from Reck's slot and CooLDoG is bad news bears, but whatever.
For point 2, what the fuck? If I were scum, why would my scum buddies voice suspicion of me but not vote? That would look super bad if either of us got lynched. Is your point that all of those people are "coaching" me? It would be pretty stupid of my scum buddies to establish an unnecessary connection to me. But I suppose your argument looks pretty good. Until you think about it. It just doesn't make sense for one scum to say at another scum "HEY YOU LOOK SCUMMY". It would make a lot more sense for one of us to be. I think trying to establish a scum connection between me and CooLDoG (or really, anyone else who's jumping on my bandwagon) is scummy. The logical explanation for why a player would have suspicion on them but few votes is becausethe player isn't doing anything all that scummy. Trying to extrapolate connections between players with so little evidence is weird, paranoid and anti-town.
I guess the real point I'm trying to make here is that UK is trying to make something out of nothing in making a case on me. In making this case, he is assuming that I am scum because I am not being voted for. This is bad logic and it is anti-town.
UK is my top scumpick at the moment, so:
vote UK
I will comment more later. I find LMP's entrance weird, what with putting a vote on me and then taking it off, but I will reserve judgment on that for later. More ISOs coming up.-
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should readIt just doesn't make sense for one scum to say at another scum "HEY YOU LOOK SCUMMY". It would make a lot more sense for one of us to be.It just doesn't make sense for one scum to say at another scum "HEY YOU LOOK SCUMMY" without voting or at least trying to make a case. It would make a lot more sense for only one of us to be scum.-
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Discrediting an argument by simply calling it bad is a lot easier than actually proving it wrong. Ironic that you ended that with "try harder".UncertainKitten wrote:You know, I find it hard to believe in OMGUS...but...seriously, UT's attack on me is about the closest damn thing I have EVER had the misfortune of seeing to it.
Try harder, thanks.
Why? Can you provide any reasoning for that beyond "he's scummy" and "more people aren't voting for him"? I mean, I think if we lynched me it would probably provide the town with some good info, but I'd prefer to help the town in other ways.UncertainKitten wrote:UT really needs to die though.
We have differing definitions of the word "n00b", clearly. I think what you meant to say was "UT is a bad player". That has a lot less of a ring to it, but it's what you meant.AlmasterGM wrote:UT is a n00b
Anyhow, I promised opinions on the other players in the game, so...
StrangerCoug, leaning scum
Looking through SC's ISO, I see very little scumhunting and a whole lot of theory discussion and weasel words. He makes some decent points about Reck, but at this point the discussion about that slot really should be more about LMP than his predecessor. SC's and AGM's argument about Reck is just dragging on and getting into pointless semantics. AGM has moved onto other things, SC has not. I find this lack of proactive posting and scumhunting to be suspicious. UK pointed this out earlier...hmm...
AKR, null
Hasn't really said much, and his posts so far have been reiterative. He parked his vote on CD right after Reck claimed and it's stayed there. Still, I don't think he's done anything overtly scummy. It looks less like he's trying to fly under the radar and more that he just doesn't have anything to say. However, CD and Katsuki are pretty easy places for a scum to put votes and not get called out on providing fresh reasoning for the vote, which AKR didn't really do.
GW, leaning town
Hasn't said much. His points about the Katsuki wagon come across to me as town. Would like to hear his thoughts on more recent developments in the game.
fitz, leaning town
Also hasn't said all that much. His points on Mariyta and Reck seem town to me.
that was his last post. I would be curious to hear what he thinks of LMP's play.fitz wrote:As far as D1 lynches go...you [reck] are a better option ATM IMO than anyone else.
katsuki, null
Not sure what to say about katsuki. I don't find his/her content to be town or scum. Just kinda null. I don't find Katsuki linking that game to show alignment one way or the other, it's just kind of weird and irrelevant.
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I've changed my mind about UK.Unvote UncertainKitten. That was a stupid OMGUS-y vote. That'll teach me to read the entire game before responding to a case. In context of the rest of her posts, may be a terribad case, but it's a terribad case by a town player. Let us never speak of this again.
As promised, my reads on the rest of the players in the game:
Zang, scum
Not in love of Zang's posting style, but I promise that what bugs me isn't his style. His strategy of only posting quotes and responding to them with one-liners (often asking pointless questions) strikes me as fluffy. Also the last vote was for Reck and was based on flavor. Also his "suspicions" strike me as very go-with-the-flow and less as scumhunting. Rubs me the wrong way.
Mariyta, town
Mariyta's posting strikes me as town. I don't really have anything to say about her ISO.
AlmasterGM, leaning town
Almaster is doing a lot of scumhunting and pointing out the weaknesses in other players' games. Despite the angry playstyle, his posting feels town motivated to me. I don't agree with a lot of the things he's said (like the "only scum would ragequit" argument and calling me a n00b), but those things don't affect his alignment.
LynchMePls Reckamonic, null
I mentioned the miller claim a while back and never expounded on it. I find the miller claim really weird and cannot figure out a town-motivated reason for it. I find it a lot more likely that it'd be a scum gambit. However, the whole rage-quit thing makes me think that maybe the reasoning for the claim was completely illogical so I shouldn't base my LMP read on it too much. LMP's posting seemed good to me, but I also know that his mafia meta is really town.
Mina, leaning scum
At first I read through Mina's ISO and thought "hmm, this is decent posting. Her thing on me in her ISO post 2 was pretty bad and looked like fakehunting, but maybe she thinks shameless bandwagoning at the beginning of D1 is scumtell so it doesn't mean anything". The rest of it looked pretty good, she was asking all the right questions to all the right people, so I was going to write her off as town. Then I realized she hadn't cast a vote since the beginning of the game. At this point, being this hesitant to cast a vote (and thus make a strong statement about who is town or scum) is scummy. I don't think someone can not fall on one side of the fence on the case for one of CooLDoG, LMP/Reck or me. The lack of voting looks scummy to me.
Now that I'm caught up on reading and whatnot, maybe I can stop being such a failure lurker. Moving on...
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I could, of course, be horribly wrong about all this.
So my picks for scum after a reread and ISO-fest are Zang, Mina and SC.
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Probably not a good plan to tell us to read back through your ISO. In doing so, I notice there's very little in it. There's two posts that could be considered content. ISO #1 is mainly a quote wall with very little analysis and a whole lot of what I didn't like from Zang. ISO #6 has...some analysis, but it's extremely limited. It's mostly saying "read my earlier post". There are three other posts saying only "I said these things earlier" and a couple of other fluff posts. I realize that LMP came into a bad slot and his Zang-esque quote post may have looked like content at the time, but at this point it's stretching very little content very thin. Also this quote is bad news bearsLynchMePls wrote:
Read my ISOs 1 and 6. I've already done this.CooLDoG wrote:@lmp, yeah comment on me.
Looks good on the surface, but CD and I haven't had any interactions. And you barely discussed me at all. This was, of course, in the post where you said a lot about other people and then voted me for no reason. I'm an easy target, and people probably wouldn't question you saying that a suspicious person is suspicious. It is however a bogus analysis and now that not is blindly jumping on the lurker maybe they'll listen to my analysis.Mary: Interactions between CD and UT. Specifically those discussed in 180.
Oh no, the "I'm a cautious player" defense. I've definitely used that as scum. The weird thing is, I wouldn't have described your playstyle as "cautious". I still think Mariyta is town, but there's finally a chink in the town armor.Mariyta wrote:
I can't really defend against this because that describes me very well. I'm a cautious player. I don't like to be wrong, so I tend to play it safe, as both town and scum. I wasn't following the "popular" wagons, though. Just the people I felt were/are scummiest at the time.Mina wrote:On the Fence
Mariyta: Contrary to StrangerCoug, I've started feeling worse about her. I can usually see her POV, but after ISO-ing her, I'm disappointed with what's there. Aside from a lot of flavour speculation, her scumhunting consists mostly of quick, safe, obvious points and agreeing with other players. She's passive and tends to go after easy targets. Any mediocre scum player could play D1 the way she has so far.
Something also felt off about her jump from UT to CD--not that she didn't adequatelyjustifyit, but that her overall pattern of behaviour was just very much how I'd expect scum to react. "Oh, so UK is wagoning Untrod Tripod. Sure, I agree that he's scummy. Well, now CD is the popular wagon. Come to think of it, yeah, this easy target is scummy for these reasons. Why don't I jump from UT over there?" Yes, this sounds completely crazy when I try to articulate it, but it rubbed my gut the wrong way. But I need to see more from her before I can judge.
I'm not in love with Mina's distancing from her own arguments here. Stand by your analysis or don't make them. Saying "I think these things are scummy, but gosh, seeing it written out makes it look kind of crazy!" is bad bad bad. Not making a definite stance of "I think these things and they are true in my opinion" is bad. I'd rather see the rest of your analysis before I start demanding you place a vote, but this analysis is continuing to look a lot like what I didn't like about your earlier wishy-washy, voteless posting.-
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Almost all of your posts were on page 8 (the two with "content" were, to make matters worse). I loved the part where you left out the rest of what I said and didn't respond to it. That's tech.LynchMePls wrote:
Hey, dumbass, that's cause I'm a replacement. Are you really this stupid?UT wrote:Probably not a good plan to tell us to read back through your ISO. In doing so, I notice there's very little in it-
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ok, mod, I don't understand. Why have my last two votes failed to enter the votecount?
Short story is -
1. You voted Katsuki as your last valid vote at ISO 3.
2. At ISO 5 where you wanted to vote UK you didn't unvote. Not valid.
3. At ISO 8 you Unvoted UK. Per the rules it's not an valid unvote as you specified a player you were not voting for.
Yeah, I know I'm kinda being a dick. The voting rules are set-up to ensure as much as possible that there are no Mod oops errors that result in flips that shouldn't be. I appreciate everyone's understanding.-
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Zang wrote:Why do you think I'm scum?
Try using "Reading". It's at the bottom of your tech tree. It's right below "Understanding", which is a few notches below "Critical Thinking". Oh and btdubs, "rubs me the wrong way" means "his playstyle rubs me the wrong way", as in I think you're scum and need to be lynched.I wrote:Not in love of Zang's posting style, but I promise that what bugs me isn't his style. His strategy of only posting quotes and responding to them with one-liners (often asking pointless questions) strikes me as fluffy. Also the last vote was for Reck and was based on flavor. Also his "suspicions" strike me as very go-with-the-flow and less as scumhunting. Rubs me the wrong way.
Also, I want to respond to something you lied about. I will use direct quotes.Zang wrote:My vote also said nothing about flavor
Unless by "my vote said nothing about flavor" you mean "my vote was entirely about flavor", you just straight up lied there, dude.Zang wrote:So you first claim miller without flavor, then claim flavor without a rolename, then you claim the wrong name.
Unvote
Vote: Reckamonic
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Since the AGM/Zang claim, all that's really happened, imo, isUncertainKitten wrote:UT improved a lot but then disappeared, which is kinda lame. So, sure, let's put UT in second for now.
-mudslinging
-LMP made a bullshit case on me
-Mariyta sheeped it
I'd rather not get involved in the mudslinging. Also, I kind of doubt I'm going to change LMP's mind, considering that the case is based on purposefully misreading/misrepresenting things I said.
oh, @mina
What happened was when I originally started my read I didn't read UK's ISO very carefully. When I went back and read her ISO more carefully I realized I was completely wrong in my read of her.I agree that his sheepish unvote of UK was bad (and he ignored my question about what changed his read on UncertainKitten besides everyone completely laughing his vote off)-
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Fine, let's look at your "read".Mariyta wrote:
I like how you just write off my vote so you don't actually have to answer the points I made against you. Sheeping does not apply in this case. Sheeping is following blindly. I did not follow blindly. I agreed with him after I did my own read.Untrod Tripod wrote:-Mariyta sheeped it
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I don't like theory discussions. In my experience I've never seen them benefit town. They can really easily end up as town vs. town getting into arguments about playstyle, and it's really easy for scum to take a playstyle argument and try to argue that it makes a town player scummy. The thing is, it wasn't deflection. I refuted a point that had been brought against me and said "but I really don't want to get into a theory discussion. I'll just pull out the quote.Mariyta wrote:UT: Don't like the "I don't want to discuss theory" deflection from ISO#4
You see, it's not deflecting an argument, I disagreed with the assertion that early bandwagoning is the same as trying to RVS vote. I then said I would prefer for this to not get into a theory discussion. See above.I wrote:Also, early bandwagoning is not the same thing as thinking it's still RVS. I'd rather not devolve into a theory discussion now though, that won't do us any good at all.
You're right. I don't know my own preferences. I can get caught up in internet flame wars really easily and I tend to just not say anything to avoid acting like an asshole. But thanks for calling that scummy. Really.Mariyta wrote: or the "angry playstyles make me clam up" excuse in ISO#5;
ISO#6 looks good on the outside, but once you delve deeper (which I never did when I first read it), you find some nasty little surprises. First, there's the "Reck's claim is very odd" comment. Well, duh. It's a miller claim
Sigh...let's pull out the Reck claim.
Don't forget, this was Reck's first post in the game. I don't like someone claiming miller in their FIRST POST. I don't know what to make of it. It's weird and I don't like it. I'm not sure if it makes them scum, but I find it weird to say "oh, Reck claimed miller in their first post in the game, and then ragequit. That has to be legit".Reckamonic, in their first post wrote:
"We"? TRY RECK & PARAMA, BUT MOSTLY RECK, BECAUSE HE IS AWESOME.Katsuki wrote:http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 23&t=15776
We caught scum. Page one.
We then lynched scum lovers from RVS wagon analysis. And caught the entire scumteam D1.
Sorry guys, we didn't realize the game had started.
So how about this.
We are a miller.
The assertion that people voicing suspicion of me early in Day 1 but not voting for me makes me scum is bad logic. Let's put it in the form of a syllogismThen there's this:
Distancing is the obvious answer. Scum do it all the time. Like, ALL the time. WIFOM is a scum's best friend in many cases.UT wrote:For point 2, what the fuck? If I were scum, why would my scum buddies voice suspicion of me but not vote? That would look super bad if either of us got lynched.
Many people have voiced suspicion of UT
Not all of those people are voting for UT
Therefore UT is scum
Yeah...not a real strong argument there. Look, I'm not saying that it's not something that would be important on say, Day 4, but early in Day 1 its a bullshit argument to make, especially when it was pretty much all you had.
By the way, the entire quote isMariyta wrote:
If the player was doing nothing scummy, no one would accuse them of being scummy. It may just be that others are even scummier, so they got lucky w/ votes.UT wrote:The logical explanation for why a player would have suspicion on them but few votes is because the player isn't doing anything all that scummy.
The rest of the quote is kind of important. My reasoning is this: You are asserting that because many people voiced some suspicion of me for lurking but did not vote, I must be scum. I assert that because many people voiced some suspicion of me for lurking but did not vote, that must be because I'm just not high enough on their scumlists to warrant a vote. Your explanation draws connections that simply aren't there. Which is what I said in the part of the quote you left out.The logical explanation for why a player would have suspicion on them but few votes is because the player isn't doing anything all that scummy. Trying to extrapolate connections between players with so little evidence is weird, paranoid and anti-town.
What? Oh, you mean this.Mariyta wrote:Then you get the sacrificial "Lynch me if you must" comment in ISO#7.
Because yeah, that's not at all what that means. The real point of that was "you're not providing an argument at all", not "plz lynch me!". My point was more that lynching me would make some players look bad for pushing it without having any real argument behind it.I wrote wrote:
Why? Can you provide any reasoning for that beyond "he's scummy" and "more people aren't voting for him"? I mean, I think if we lynched me it would probably provide the town with some good info, but I'd prefer to help the town in other ways.UncertainKitten wrote:UT really needs to die though.
. It was. I guess it'd be more pro-town to just push bad lynches and never own up to making mistakes. Right?Hey, look. Next we get a change of heart and a "My vote was bad" comment
Ok, I'll give you this one, I wrote that extremely unclearly.Mariyta wrote:Explanation for Zang vote was meh. The last part was decent, but the first two sentences contradict each other. Then he moves his vote to SC (surprise surprise) for whom his case is just plain shite.
Using a lot of quotes doesn't bother me and asking questions doesn't bother me. I don't love reading it, but what can you do. What I don't like is that his content is extremely poor. The questions he asks rarely seem proactive and he seems to hide behind quote walls and pads his post total by "asking questions". Also you seemed to like my case on Zang just fine earlier.I wrote:Not in love of Zang's posting style, but I promise that what bugs me isn't his style. His strategy of only posting quotes and responding to them with one-liners (often asking pointless questions) strikes me as fluffy.
Mariyta wrote:I'm gonna put my money where my mouth is.
UNVOTE: CD, VOTE: Zang
Reasons (so you don't miss them): Lack of any serious attempt at scum hunting; poses meaningless questions and fluffs his posts with quotes and useless drivel. I'll include UT's comments, as well, and I'll throw in an OMGUS for good measure.
P-edit: Because SC essentially said the same thing in different words, only you went overboard with an "OMGGUYZ, look at this! It's soooooo creepy!"
I don't see the problem with Kats' comment.
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Ok maybe sheeping was not the correct term to use, but I found it weird that you had expressed some suspicion of me earlier in the day, dropped your vote on me, followed me onto the Zang wagon stating that you agreed with my case on him, and then took a 180 on me following LMP posting a case on me and and made your own WHICH USED MY ARGUMENT AGAINST ZANG AS A POINT AGAINST ME and moved your vote back to me. It seemed like you said to yourself "oh, I can probably get back on this mislynch pretty easily without anyone noticing. I dunno if it's sheeping, exactly, but it definitely seemed like you were trying to ride on LMP's coattails in voting for me.-
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It is actually common practice for millers to claim right off the bat. It's going to cause WIFOM anyway, but the WIFOM is a gazillion times worse if they wait to claim until they are accused.
I haven't seen it before, but I believe you.LynchMePls wrote:Better get used to it, because its pretty commonly accepted correct miller play.-
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It's ok, I'm a "VI" too. Obviously we should form a "VI" alliance. There's more of us, after all.GhostWriter wrote:
Did I just get called a VI?AlmasterGM wrote:We have to lock down on something. The way to do this is by forging an alliance between logical people who will act rationally (AKA TEAM VI SLAYERS) and then forcing one or two VIs to work with us.LMP, Mina, UK, and Mariyta - list your top 3 scumreads.We will lynch the person who is most mutually agreeable to all of us.-
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The deadline is on Monday, but alright...AlmasterGM wrote:GhostWriter and UT aren't VIs, but they were playing the LURK-O-MATIC game until extremely recently, which is why they are currently not included. Feel free to prove your worth by being logical and not idiotic (doing a pretty good job thus far).
StrangerCoug is still coasting and being scummy, so he's also out.
I will parse through the rest of the recent walls later. Right now,V/LA until Sunday.-
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So you're saying that softclaiming a power role at L-3 is more likely a scum-CD gambit than town-CD idiocy...?StrangerCoug wrote:
Why are you unvoting after what LynchMePls posted? It's one of the most compelling things against him now.Untrod Tripod wrote:I'm really weirded out by CD's softclaim (I totally failed to notice it too, I guess that's what happens when you make people not want to read your posts). I really, really don't want to believe that town-CD would softclaim this early, but...
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That being said, CD seems to be taking some kind of perverse pride in his VI status. Is it possible that this was a cunning move to make us think that it's just another VI move? Yes. That possible, sure. I think it's more likely though that CD with a power role would get frustrated at this point and say "I HAVE A POWER ROLE, GUIZE".-
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I'm good with a Kat lynch. Kat has been straight up useless all day, and the ragequit threat is just lulzy. If Kat flips scum it will be very informative to reexamine the "reads" s/he posted. I find it had to get a read on Kat, and bearing the uselessness in mind the information gotten from a Kat lynch would be far more better for the town than a no lynch.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbKZHqov ... re=relatedhavingfitz wrote:Suspecting you doesn’t make anyone an idiot or a moron. No need to be such a *censored*. Drink less/more coffee, get laid, or pop a few Midol please.
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Yes it was a statement out of frustration.GreyIce wrote:
Is this another frustrated townie? I can see it. This game is enormously frustrating, and it could just be he's tired of the garbage certain posters are dumping in the thread.I'm a great lynch if you're scum. Otherwise I'm a terribad lynchLast edited by MagnaofIllusion on Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:34 pm, edited 1 time in total.-
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mod, please fix my quote tag in the above post
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I appreciate your town read on me. That being said...GreyICE wrote:I still hold by my original read. Town meta or not, UK's 'lets get some flips!' playstyle seems enormously anti-town to me. I've seen scum go down day 1 before. I have yet to see 'well lets fucking FLIP something people' be very town. I'm not particularly pushing a UK lynch because (no matter how scummy she says this is) I have no fucking hope of getting it to pass through unless I see a lot of people disagree with me (and from what I've seen here, that's unlikely).
I will fucking circle back if we decide to "LETS FUCKING FLIP SOMETHING" on UT and he 'flips' town. I am not at all happy with the flip shit "playstyle."
I don't think that "needing a flip" is necessarily anti-town. I think a lot of us have been saying "I think getting some information from a lynch today is far, far better than not lynching at all". In fact, I'm pretty sure almost every post saying "we need a flip" has compared it to not lynching in that way. Also, why are you calling out UK for saying that and not anyone else?
Also your meta argument is really weird. "I realize that UK plays like this as town, but I think it's scum this time!" seems to be the thrust of what you're saying. Do you have any reason to disregard the meta, or did you just need to keep on truckin' with the UK case regardless of what was said?Last edited by MagnaofIllusion on Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:35 pm, edited 1 time in total.-
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I don't think UK is the best use of your shot, CD. Ideally a vig shot doesn't make the town want to lynch the vig immediately.
Zang or Kats would be better.
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the flavor thing is...interesting. For the record, a daykill does NOT prove CD's alignment one way or the other (as per the rules post), and him vigging a player who is by popular consensus pretty town is a really stupid move on his part whether he's town or scum. Just saying.
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OH GOD THE POSTING. OH GOD.
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IMO, it came from CD realizing that daykilling doesn't make him look town so he needed to not vig a popular-consensus-town-player so he won't get lynched, so he picked a low-impact killUncertainKitten wrote:Where the hell did that come from?
Also, intriguingly enough, I'd more suspect HF over Kat.
Basically, when I made my initial guess, I forgot that HF had also been poking me with bad logic.
As it stands, I'd put HF/GreyICE as the team, with Kat as an outlier. Kat is just probably wrong.
I forgot about HF too. Must be all the not posting at all. Hell, I think he deserves daykilling for the Midol comment alone. JK.
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GI - we have 72 hours, waiting another 5 on the vig shot is not terrible. Chill the fuck out. The worst thing we could do is let CD decide who to vig on his own by rushing the shot
also...turbo cunt?
Mari - did you not see GI turning into HULK ICE, WITH THE POWER OF SWEARING once the game got more frustrating? I don't think him being a jackass deserves a vig shot. HF is pretty guilty of that too.
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GreyICE wrote:I'M PISSED BECAUSE HE COMES ON HERE AND DECLARES HIMSELF TWO USEFUL POWER ROLES TO THE TOWN, RIGHT BEFORE HE BLOODY FLAKES INTO V/LA. THEN HE COMES BACKDURING V/LAAND THREATENS SOMEONE, FLIPS TO SOMEONE ELSE, THINKS ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE, THEN WANDERS OFF. WHY NOT SUBMIT THE FITZ SHOT? OR THE UK SHOT? OR SOMETHING? BUT NO, HE JUST LEAVES THE THREAD.
WHAT'S THERE TO FIGURE OUT IF YOU'RE TOWN? YOU TAKE YOUR SHOT AT THE SCUMMIEST PERSON, YOU LET US LYNCH WITH THE RESULTS OF THAT SHOT, YOU DIE DURING N1. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE FUCKING HOLD UP IS. THIS IS RIDICULOUS!
I DON'T EXPECT HIM TO LIVE HIS BLOODY LIFE ON MAFIASCUM. BUT HE CAN FIND A LESSSCUMMYWAY TO DO IT. WATCH, WE DEADLINE LYNCH SOMEONE ELSE THEN HE'S ALIVE ON DAY 2. ALL LIKE "LOL, PEOPLE I GUESS THE SCUM DIDN'T WANT TO KILL ME HURR DURR."
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Yes. On several levels.CooLDoG wrote:After sleeping on it I find ether a havingfitz, or a UT day-vig in the towns best interest. I personally like a UT shot. Any objections to that?
First of all (the moronic level of defense) I'm town, so there's that.
Second of all, you seem to have no intention of helping the town with your dayvig shot. A dayvig shot is is a chance for the town to get some free information and get rid of a scummy/useless player. You seem to just be like la dee dah who can I kill who will just be a kill and not affect me much. My death won't provide the town with all that much useful info because pretty much everyone has been for lynching me at some point today. I, knowing my alignment, know that it would be a wasted kill on a town player. You, not knowing my alignment, should realize that it's pretty much a shot in the dark on a player who won't give you any info with their death. From your perspective I should be more of a lynch candidate than a vig candidate.Your dayvig shot should ideally point the town in the direction of a more informed lynch. If you shoot me you are just wasting both the shot and valuable time we could be spending making a more informed lynch.
Third, You seem intent on vigging a target with a low risk-to-reward. Here's the thing, I said that thing about vigging someone who won't get you flak to see where you'd run with it to get a tell on your alignment, and you seem to have gone in the scummy direction. However I forgot that you are *extremely* open to suggestion, so that wasn't as much of a tell as I thought. That being said, you are not looking like a town player by refusing to shoot someone you think is scum and instead waiting for a democratic decision (voted on by at least 3 anti-town players) on how to use YOUR ability.
It's day one, we need a lynch, and I'd prefer for the wagon to not be me? Also, a. it wasn't that much vote hopping b. it came with reasons c. do you really think that threat scares me? really? Kiss my ass. You're the one who is going to look scummy if I die. I know my "vote-hopping" had town motivations. Your motivations for dayvigging me are starting to look extremely anti-town.CooLDoG wrote:@UT, defend your vote-hopping, or face the end of a loaded gun.
You get to have your own opinions. Stop asking for us to do things for you.CooLDoG wrote:@having, I would agree with you. But most of the town doesn't.
@GreyICE
It's pretty much been extremely rude and uncalled for when they've done it too. If you hadn't noticed, the real issue is in you one specific thing you said. This is not that hard, dude.
All that being said, if I get vigged, I want the town to do themselves a couple of favors:
1. Reread Mariyta. She's been hardcore wagoning me all day, and it smacks of trying to jump on an easy target. I will flip town if I get vigged, so do yourselves a favor and reread her if that happens.
2. Reread the wagon that built up on me. There are a few players who jumped on it for really weak reasons or telegraphed a vote for later, and my flipping town will make them look super bad.
3. Stop being dicks to each other. The rage is obscuring your focus on logical play.
I'm not posting again until CD vigs. If this is my last post in the game, it's been fun playing with all of you.
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CooLDoG wrote:Deal with it, the pm is already sent...CooLDoG wrote:I said kat? I meant HF... my bad. I would lynch kat if it wasn't for the vig. But I think kat is more likely to be scum. Killing hf now because zang hasn't posted.
Does not compute. Whatever. Let's see the flip.CooLDoG wrote:vig has just been sent. After the flip, any objection to a hammer?
Agreed. We have until 2/10 to lynch, so we can analyze after the flip.UncertainKitten wrote:Mm...actually, we'll probably want to analyze the flip, so I'd like people to have a little time to do that.
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and by quickhammer I meant dayvig. That'll teach me to post quickly.
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LynchMePls wrote:@HF: Give us a full TOWN/SCUM list before you croak!
I still think CD should swing. I'm thinking 3pp or just plain scum.
With all due respect, I'm not sure HF's scumlist is worth much.Fitz wrote:For the benefit of the remaining town...UK, Ghostwriter, and LMP need to swing IMO. Most definitely UK for being all over the place with her suspicions, never presenting a case on me, and as a non game related bonus....for being herself in this game.
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Katsuki wrote:I did not get time to read last night, and will not have time today (tuesday is my busiest day of the week). So if you're gonna lynch, at least give my replacement a chance. Otherwise I'm staying in and hopefully making a difference D2.
you're sending mixed messagesKatsuki wrote:And to hell am I letting my mislynch go though without a fight. Considering that I feel that more scum than less are behind the driving wheel.-
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Katsuki wrote:Biologically, poisons don't just kill, they can also knock a person unconcious.
then in response to my question to himCooLDoG wrote:^Webstered, death ass hole. And a poisoner is normally a delayed vig. Thus I read that you claimed poisoner and I thought of the normal definition.
then Zang saidCooLDoG wrote:because I want too. But death is still possible. Aka more likely. He's just bsing now. That is the point.Zang wrote:What CooLDoG posted is true. Katsuki said that poison does not kil, CooLDoG pointed out that it is possible.-
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This really bugged me too. LMP is usually a much better scumhunter than this. Either UK has been REALLY pissing him off this game, or maybe we just found LMP's first scumslip. There's also the possibility that I should listen to LMP and log that as scummy on UK's part. I was initially dismissive of LMP on this point, but I respect his mafia skills enough that I think I should be willing to consider his argument. Will think on this more come tomorrow.Zang wrote:
What is the scum motivation for this?LynchMePls wrote:People are wrong and misvig/mislynch all the time. The fact that you felt the need to go "oh gosh, I was wrong" is scummy. Obviously you were wrong. Do you often make posts to point out that the sun rises every day and that water is wet? To top it off is the "oh schucks, back to the drawingboard" at the end. And the self flagellating "I clearly need it".
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This is exactly what it is troubling to me. LMP is usually better than this.UncertainKitten wrote:No, LMP is basically full of it. I'm not sure if it makes him scum, but he's said at least two incredibly silly things trying to implicate me with them. His little "meta" example was pretty obviously busted for the reasons both GW AND myself brought up. As for this whole "I was wrong" thing, at best he's using a wikitell, which would be incredibly dumb to do anyway.-
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what things? MAKE A BETTER ROLECLAIM OR GET HAMMERED. Jesus tittyfucking christ you are making it really hard to let you liveKatsuki wrote:
Jesus I swear you guys are choosing not to read.Katsuki wrote:wtf did I claim vig
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