Mini 1106 - No Exit Mafia

[Dark Horse]

How is ross william henchman-sounding?

/notchainsawdefending

[Dark Horse]

It sounds like an alien name

[Dark Horse]

Dark, why would you write this:

/notchainsawdefending

Clearly, you are doing something you in your own mind think is scummy, or at least suspect. I know this because otherwise you wouldn't of been conscious if you did it, or commented on it. Why is chain saw defense scummy? Should we lynch anyone that does it?

I was doing something in my mind that some people might consider scummy.

The "/notchainsawdefending" was a joke, and I considered the point which I was "Defending" to be a joke (If that was serious, no comment >_>).

As for my opinions on your questions, no. I've yet to see reason as to why it's scummy.

[Dark Horse]

Why do you think people consider it scummy, and you don't?

Why do you think people think it's scummy?

If people consider it scummy, and it raises your chance of been mislynched is you are town, why would you even comment on it?

Because I figured most people would assume i'm joking, and they probably wouldn't ml me for that.

[Dark Horse]

>___> <____<

Vote: Dripping Goofball

I wasn't joking.

I was about to hammer you, but I decided to go eat dinner (or lunch)

>_<

[Dark Horse]

VOTE: The Jester
I consider animated gifs the most convincing medium in which to make a case.

But he's a jester...
VOTE: Vezo

[Dark Horse]

Also, call me paranoid, but I'm pretty sure scum has a kind of code used to communicate with each other.

Just a thought

[Dark Horse]

Vote: Ross

Why would a vote fo him help "hear more" about his role? Does not compute in my book.

Dripping, thanks for pointing that out, would've went right under my radar due to rvs.

[Dark Horse]

And you have mystical scummy powers.

Why the vote? You better answer that.

[Dark Horse]

Gud, any reasons that was directed at veridis?

[Dark Horse]

And you have mystical scummy powers.

Why the vote? You better answer that.

I explained the vote. The vote is to apply pressure.

Yet you said it was to apply more pressure to get more information about that role. That's what I want explained, as I don't see how a vote for pressure is necessary for more information about a role.

Sorry, but being cryptic, and not revealing whole truths doesn't help the town.

And how was he/she/it being cryptic? I want you to elaborate on that.

I like how you're the one defending her the hardest when she's the one adamantly claiming you're town and refusing to vote for you. Doesn't make you look so good.

So what are you going to do? Start a bandwagon on me?

[Dark Horse]

Ok, Dark Horse, let's see. I said I think a vote for pressure could help reveal role information. I said that DGB was being cryptic because she was dropping hints without being clear. She was scaring everyone and trying to get everyone worked up about her apparent low-vote count without actually being clear about anything really. I'd call that cryptic. I've said all this already.

If you want like, say, a character claim, I'm pretty sure DGB would be happy to tell. Adding pressure is completely unnecessary, especially because "She was being cryptic"

Vezo, I would like you to elaborate on that vote.

[Dark Horse]

If you want like, say, a character claim, I'm pretty sure DGB would be happy to tell.

Character claim?

Claiming who you are, I.e a secret agent or something like that.

The third vote on a wagon is most of the time scum.

I knew that and thought I could be the third to vote just for the sake of voting. But when I found out I was the fourth I voted DH because he is scum.

"Third vote on wagon is scum"

That's a pretty bold statement. Anything backing it up?

[Dark Horse]

If you want like, say, a character claim, I'm pretty sure DGB would be happy to tell.

Character claim?

Claiming who you are, I.e a secret agent or something like that.

Are you expecting any claims other than secret agent? Because quite frankly, I think that's all we're gonna get.

Think for a second.

Please

[Dark Horse]

@guderian in your opinion, do you think it would make sense if the mod had the near exact same role pm for a VT and a quadruple-hated person?

[Dark Horse]

@guderian in your opinion, do you think it would make sense if the mod had the near exact same role pm for a VT and a quadruple-hated person?

*facepalm*

"Nearly" as in exactly the same, except "secret agent" is replaced with "quadruple hated ______"

@guderian in your opinion, do you think it would make sense if the mod had the near exact same role pm for a VT and a quadruple-hated person?

Have you and DGB been granted access to see his eachothers roles? That would explain why she wouldn't vote you.

I would guess that Dark Horse and DGB have some role connection that lets them see eachother's flavor text or maybe the entire role.

If we do, its one-way. Rememeber how I almost "hammered" DGB in rvs?

Also, you know how the maf probably have sme sort of code to communicate with each other? What if his message means something in code?

[Dark Horse]

>___> <____<

Vote: Dripping Goofball

I wasn't joking.

I was about to hammer you, but I decided to go eat dinner (or lunch)

>_<

This is where you almost hammer DGB. You didn't. You didn't need to make this post. Typing that you were about to hammer DOES NOT mean you were about to hammer. The one service this post can do is giving you something to link back to later and say "Look, we couldn't be related! I almost hammered her!"

You didn't.

FoS: Dark Horse

Okay, so it's impossible to know wether i was really about to hammer or not.

Explain how that is scummy.

[Dark Horse]

Ross, if I had made that post for proof that we're not connected, then why would DGB say the "I'm bot voting him for the whole game", which would get this communication suspicioun thing started?

[Dark Horse]

Also, the character names thing...what are you grasping at with that? I'm curious.

If he claimed something like "most popular secret agent", that doesn't seem like a role that would be hated, does it? Depending on what he claimed and how that could relate to being quad-hated, it could increase/decrease the authenticucy (pretty sure I spelled that wrong) of his quad-hated claim.

DH/DGB. IF not a scumbuddy, why would DGB absolutely refuse to vote him?

I honestly don't know. However, I keep thinking it's some sort of scum code, though I'm not 100% of this.

[Dark Horse]

@Ross are you suggesting a lynch all liars approach?

[Dark Horse]

Ross, faking quad-hammered could be a trap set for the mafia, as if they tried to hammer DGB, they would get caught. Unfortunatley, the mafia might've been suspicious of DGB being quad-hated, and didn't try to hammer.

Does this look like it has townie intent?

DGB, am I anywhere close?

[Dark Horse]

Hey Dark Horse. Remember this? That doesn't read like someone who has a town role PM.

So are you going to outright claim scum, or are you going to try to act like a power role instead?

How does it rea as a PR/scum and not somebody who played enough games to know that you don't add some PR abilities without giving them a different name (the only exception to this is a game offsite that I read, the sample role pm was also the mafia godfather)?

If this is the best you can do, I am disappoint.

[Dark Horse]

Really.

Explain how your role pm would mean that there would be no need to character claim.

[Dark Horse]

Yes, I was looking for the flavor the explains being quad-hated. I figured that all secret agents are vts, so a quad-hated person would be someone else

[Dark Horse]

DGB, why is vezok suddenly leaning town? I don't remember you saying that last time you made a list.

[Dark Horse]

So vezo's at l-2...

Anyone want to wait for L-1 for a claim, or should vezo claim now?

[Dark Horse]

Either vezo's a PR or scum.

Pretty sure a VT woulnt refuse to claim.

FoS: vezo

[Dark Horse]

Jester, where have you been? You've only made a couple of posts post-rvs

[Dark Horse]

Jester, if scum vote someone for "Information" and never specifies what the information is, it's usually a cop-out reason for voting that person.

[Dark Horse]

I think he's talking about how I was the 3rd vote one the ross wagon

[Dark Horse]

@Darox

Most of your post consist of insulting people, and you don't have a town read on anykne, and some of your logic doesn't make sense ("most popular secret agent" being hated?

FoS: Darox

Plamer, didn't whatever you say not stand for anything? But now it stand for we are talking about post thirty here?

[Dark Horse]

Xalxe is probably scum that wants the town to Nl, which cam cripple town.

Or he's scum trying to defend his buddy.

Either way, he's scum. Too late to switch bws, though.

[Dark Horse]

Xalxe, why are you so certain Ross is town?

[Dark Horse]

Might jump on the bw later, right now I don't see it suffice enough to jump on

[Dark Horse]

Vote: Xalxe

And that's the hammer.

You guys work fast, 4 votes iin a night.

[Dark Horse]

EBWOP:

Unvote, Vote: Xalxe

That was close

[Dark Horse]

Any last words?

[Dark Horse]

Darn it, seacore left...was going to request a short twilight after you said your last words

[Dark Horse]

Darox, why did you only strawman me for wanting to lynch xalxe?

Why were you so sure his death would be a misslynch?

[Dark Horse]

Darox, it's because if, for some reason, we revert to the Ross wagon, I couldn't make it during the deadline and the town might be forced to Nl.

Thats also why I didn't vote him immediately

And your case is half-baked: using only two posts is hardly proof

[Dark Horse]

Darox, if you're questioning how I said I wouldn't be around on the deadline, yet I made the hammer, the deadline was 30 hours from when I made the hammer, and I wouldnt have been around during that time.

If it's something else, you'll need to add some more detail

[Dark Horse]

You've gone blind.

He strawmanned me by quoting my "I'll wait a while" post and then saying I was scum trying to cause a misslynch.

[Dark Horse]

I didn't strawman you darox, yet I noticed that you seemed to be sure that xalxe would be a misslynch.

Care to explain how?

[Dark Horse]

I AM SCUM AND WANT TO CAUSE A MISLYNCH

Ok.

You said this, and haven't answered it, only denied it

[Dark Horse]

Darox, I explained my thinking, except you justseemed to shrug it off and continue.


Thats why nobody's following you. Your case is horrible

[Dark Horse]

I thought you woul realize that the deadline was not immediately when I hammered

[Dark Horse]

Point still stands that the deadline was not when I hammered.

AntB, that is a strawman. He is twisting my point and saying it's my own

[Dark Horse]

*facepalm* that's not Strawmanning...

Strawmanning is twisting an opponent's point instead of countering it

Ex:

Person A: I think we shouldvremoce the nuclear submarines from Russia
Person B: so you want to wipe Russia off the face of the earth

Tour example is actually a valid point, as beers are intoxicants.
Darox, its because it does. Go back and my original response makes sense

[Dark Horse]

@AntB

HE QUOTED MY POST AND SAID THAT I WAS SCUM TRYING TO CAUSE A NO LYNCH.

Will respond to Darox later

[Dark Horse]

DGB, I've seen games where a no lynch occured, and the biggest bw was lynched the next day, resulting in maf getting a free night kill.

[Dark Horse]

@ant

It's because you don't seem to realize that he wasn't paraphrasing it, he was twisting what I was saying.

Notice how you say what "he boiled it down to". Just saying that from an opposing side is Strawmanning.

God, you're like jester. You try to defend people by being ignorant

[Dark Horse]

Uh, what post are you referring to?

I'm referring to your "I thought town was after information, but scum was after specific information" defense of ross, because AFAIK, that's never the case. At least, town doesn't vote that person while asking information.

[Dark Horse]

Jester, attacking a point is a defense in pretty much everything: you're trying to nullify the points from an attacker at one person.

The fact that you didn't know this, and your noob card play make me think your scum.

Vote: Jester

[Dark Horse]

Jester can die now, Ross toMorrow

[Dark Horse]

Jester, your question was rhetorical, which is why it qualifies as defening

[Dark Horse]

Jester, when you quote ant's post and ask a question, it's probably rhetorical.

[Dark Horse]

Palmer, tell us your top scumpicks

[Dark Horse]

You used an acronym again...

[Dark Horse]

@ palmer

Specify what you were asking to when you asked "Do you still not get it"? I can't tell if you're referring to the most popular secret agent claim or your abbreviation

As fro who thinks his case is bad, that would be my yself and potentially the people that haven't given their opinions.

[Dark Horse]

palmer, if it was the abbreviations, you had said it had meant nothing and was used for scumhunting. But later you said tat is meant "We are on post 30" or something like that.

Contradictory thoughts are contradictory

I have no idea what you mean by "You still don't get it"

[Dark Horse]

Jester, claim

[Dark Horse]

Palmer, why did you say that when I asked you for your top suspects?

[Dark Horse]

Where the he'll is antB?

[Dark Horse]

No he isn't.

AntB Is probably the last scum, he's been flying under the radar all game.

the other two are probably you and jester. While your performance is okay, Ross's was downright horrible. He was obvscum. I've explained jester, and antB
VOTE: Jester

[Dark Horse]

I did.

Process if elimination says he's not scum.

[Dark Horse]

1. You never invalidated that. Just restated your thesis

2. Your play of the noobcard

[Dark Horse]

1. The fact that you had not know it was a defense doesn't give off townie vibes.

2. No, for saying that you were rusty

[Dark Horse]

Darox, I find it funny how you said that I was just "posting dumb", when jester is.

1. God, do i hve to spoonfeed This to you?

If a spy attacks a fellow spy's attacker, isn't that defending.

2. The fact that you used it as an explanation is a scumtell.

Palmer, he's also played the noobcard and is playing dumb under attack

[Dark Horse]

Would be fascinating to hear that lightbulb

[Dark Horse]

You mean like a doc?

Or a hitman?

[Dark Horse]

Darox, If you want to dayvig him, than why are you not voting him?

[Dark Horse]

....read the thread. That is all.

[Dark Horse]

ANt, theres more that i've said against jester.

As for you, the fact that you've suddenly come back after I called you out doesn't give a good vibe.

And all you did was repeat facts

[Dark Horse]

It's his noobcard

[Dark Horse]

Thor, couple of problems:

1.a)Jokey to serious ratio concern?

On the first page

?
b) what about my response to gud's questions? Are those "Not serious"?

2. a)You claim that ross cop-out vote is "inane" logic. I would like you to elaborate on this.
b) What's more, you say my vote-hopping is a scumtell, yet it doesn't seem like you considered that my original vote on vezo was RVS, and my vote on ross wasn't. Second, you claim that I was simply parroting. Does agreeing with DGB any more parroting then agreeing with someone else?

3. Puesdo-clearing yourself? Seriously?

4. Your general lack of evidence. Most of your reads have next to nothing backing them (I.E Vezo and later Ghostlin)

5. Basing your overall reads when you've only read up to page 11 doesn't help

[Dark Horse]

EBWOP:

and to the end of five: "It's as if you wanted to have reads ready so you wouldn't have to bring up reasons just when you're about to bandwagon on someone

[Dark Horse]

@Dark Horse - you see problems and I see none at all.

Then you are blind

1. a) Yes. Your point?
b) And yet your ratio was still weak, your point?

THe first couple of pages are usually RVS (such as in this game), where people joke around. THe fact that you are attacking me for that is like attacking an RVS vote for not being serious.

2. a) You mean to tell me that when you parroted DGB's "case" you fully understood its nuances and agreed with it? Why didn't you vote for him earlier than? Yes, it was inane.
b) I would like you to quote where I said vote hopping was a scumtell. Untill you do all i hear is "meep, meep, meep" which is the sound of made up accusations. And, yes, you were parroting DGB; here's the timeline...

Thor, ross had wanted to vote for DGB for "Information", yet he had

never

specified what. The vote was probably less of a "Vote for information" moreso a vote to try and get DGB lynched, with "Information" as a cop-out reason. Unlike other types, I cannot directly see the information the could happen with that vote

3. I'll guess I've replaced someone I had a town read on - did you have a scum read on that player? If not, why does this worry you?

Essentially trying to clear yourself. YEs, I do have a problem with it.

Veridis and antB were flying under the radar, and I had them interchangeably pegged as the last scum. When I would try and remember what the two said, I would remember less of antB. After I said I thought that antB was the last scum, his reaction was horrible (Appearing out of no where, and asking nothing more than questions). However, you're starting to fall under my scumdar a bit more.

4. Meta and Gut respectiuvely - I consider both of my cases to be equal to or superior to every other case presented in the game up to the point I'm reading. Which cases do you think were better?

You probably know the answer to this.

Xalxe was lynched because he refused to vote ross when we were near the deadline scrambling for a lynch. It seemed that Xalxe was ross' scumbuddy, either trying to save ross or cause an nl.

[Dark Horse]

He did not specify

the information he wanted to hear

.

I said nothing about lack of reason for his vote.

[Dark Horse]

All responses are in random order.

I lol severly.
VOTE: Dark Horse
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[...] asking nothing more than questions

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[Dark Horse's main point in brief about his cases] The Jester: He plays the n00bcard

ANt, theres more that i've said against jester.

Clarify for me, what is your main point, in brief against jester?
I'm aware theres a lot more, but I want your strongest point in brief.

It's his noobcard

Wtfamireading.jpg....

No explantion for the vote, just a bunch of quotes.

Also, if it's because I said you were only asking questions, that was because I hadn't seen you take solid stances until this post. You just seemed to be asking questions.

He did not specify

the information he wanted to hear

.

I said nothing about lack of reason for his vote.

You know, splitting hairs like this leads credence to the idea you're scummy: if you have nothing to hide as town, you'd volunteer the information if it was correct regardless.

Ghostlin, we were talking about two different things. Also, while ross did give reasons for his votes, the reason were awful.

It's his noobcard

This is an burden of experience, which is a lot like a burden of proficiency argument. Unless you're making this your only case that he plays the n00bcard, in which case this isn't. A case, really.

fascinating...

I would like you to explain what burden of proficiency is, and how it let's you get away with playig a noob card.

Hrm. Has anyone else read DH in iso lately? It's kinda interesting. There are a number of passive aggressive posts, such as "/not chainsaw defending"

God, you're seriously going there...

Look what I was defending: Xalxe saying that ross william is a henchmen-sounding name. Had I been trying to "notdefend" something that legit pertains to this game, maybe, but this isn't anywhere close.

I've noticed that no one thinks of what I was defending when I said that, just what I said.

"So what are you going to do? Start a bandwagon on me." an interesting gem where he deflects pressure off of DGB

I was actually being cocky. I was pretty much daring him to try and see how far it got. His reaction: Nothing. He didn't even try.

He asks for a character claim, which would have been interesting if we had gotten distinct flavor in each ones, but from what I'm seeing more and more from flips it is either "superspy" or probably for scum "henchman":

You're using posthumous evidence; all flips happened after I said that.

You;ve also not explained how that statement is in any way anti-town.

He accuses Jester of playing the n00bcard, but yet ignores the ignorance in setup that DGB displays. "Twice doctor protected" my ass.

I took DGB's as a null tell: I don't see how scum would know and/or do such a thing , I don't see how indy would know/do such a thing, and I didn't know how town would know/do such a thing.

Jester's noobcard is directly scummy though.

Contradicts himself sorta by continuing to alternate that there's more he's said about Jester (no, you've not, really you've focused and tunneled on the n00bcard most of the game). And then the information you wanted to hear post is just...no. Come on, you couldn't have just told him what he wanted to know?

No I haven't. If you count the constant denial of the rhetorical question, his constant noobcard, that's more than just tunneling on one event.

[Dark Horse]

On BoP: Read the wiki. No, I'm not kidding; it has a lot about logical fallacies there.

I did.

It's not there.

You seem to be basing your vote entirely on whether Jester's claiming he's a newbie. You could say a number of things, such as his propensity to hide in the background; the fact he seems to join wagons, et all. But you have been tunnelling on the n00bcard. You say you have muitiple reasons for doing what you're doing, provide those 'muitiple' reasons.

1.several wagon jooining, including partially sprouting the vezo
wagon
2. Now that you mentioned it, fading away non sporadically
3. Chainsawing defedning ross, and his constant denial of it.
4. His noobcard play

You also seem to be making the argument that because he plays the n00bcard, he's hiding behind his inexperience; which isn't an excuse. That's fine. But you have yet to explain how his inexperience is directly a scumtell.

That fact that he's hiding behind it is a scum tell.

WHy would a townie need an excuse for their scummy behavior the way scum do?

DGB's comment about twice Doctor protected is only signfanct if you use the rationale that being twice Doctor protected makes one much more likely to be town admist two nokills. With the rule set set up, you can't make this assumption OR even the assumption the scum innately want DGB dead. If you accept that twice protected=no night kills=exceedingly protown, it is in fact a scummy thing to say.

Yet why would he say it if he was scum? I'm pretty sure someone like DGB knows that saying something as scummy as that would bring attention.

[Dark Horse]

Unvote, vote: antB

Perfectly fine with this lynch. Reasons explained , and seemed agreed on somewhat

[Dark Horse]

...you do love Strawmanning, don't you.

AntB had been a suspicion of mine ever since the end of the last day. It's not like this is out of the blue.

[Dark Horse]

okay

So, around the end of D2, I had suddenly realized that antb was actually in this game. That was the reason behind my post right before darox hammered "where the hell is antB"? I took this suspicion into D3, where, magically, he came back. When he first started posting again, he had not really been making any noticeable stances. However, then thor leads a lynch on me, and he suddenly follows, by posting some quotes and voting me.

Darox apparently doesn't understand this.

[Dark Horse]

....are you blind?

[Dark Horse]

I'm not seeing any other quotations.

Where is the rest of your suspicions that have been so apparent throughout today and make your sudden shift now not at all out of the blue.

Most of it was just a summarization. I'll do an ISO if you like.

@antB

I really don't care in which order my scumpicks are lynched. As long as they're dead, it's fine.

[Dark Horse]

Also,

V/LA for tomorrow

. Have a flight trip to puerto rico