Mini #1081 - SitMOA Mafia (Endgame... Congrats, winners!)

[gandalf5166]

Woah, I didn't recognize the thread cause of the weird abbreviation. Will read after class, but for now,
/confirm, since I now see we're supposed to do it in-thread, not via PM.

[gandalf5166]

I don't know why the mod got the impression I was gone.

VOTE: Andrew

Scummityscumscum.

[gandalf5166]

No, he's really scum. I'll probably make a case if I feel like it. In the meantime,

It appears as if I'm voteless?

Sorry for that. All those mistakes are just to see if all of you are paying attention. Good job class.

[gandalf5166]

Eh. I don't usually make cases. He has switched his vote like, practically every post though.

[gandalf5166]

Oh, he didn't. Oh well. He's still scummy.

[gandalf5166]

mr gandalf is pissed at me cos i pwned him in hobbits doctor mafia = =

This is sarcastic for thoseof you reading along at home. Every single person in the game had him pegged as scum. We almost let him go on the "too scummy to be scum" fallacy, too. I don't think anyone ever supplied a case on him then either.

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The point is that he's scum, let's lynch him.

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Chess is making me raise my eyebrow........... But I've played with him before, and this is all pretty normal stuff, so until he does something really drastic, my vote stays where it is.

[gandalf5166]

Chess is making me raise my eyebrow........... But I've played with him before, and this is all pretty normal stuff, so until he does something really drastic, my vote stays where it is.

This is pretty much the same problem with YOU, gandalf, in that, you guys generally say and do such ridiculous things that, when you do it as scum, it STILL looks normal.

In essence, what I am saying is, saying that "extraordinary" stuff is "pretty normal stuff" is kind of like throwing a smokescreen on your play.

Oh, I'm not going to lie, that's exactly why I play the way I play. At least I actually find scum, unlike

some people.

All this "opportunistic vote" talk has made me change my mind about chess. That's a scum tactic to ward off votes. Seen it done before, and it's being done now.

unvote
Vote:chesskid3

[gandalf5166]

I also really don't like his chainsaw defense accusations.

[gandalf5166]

i have about 2 days v/la please.

i gotta say, wagon on chess looks oppurtunistic

Lol congrats, you can defend your scumbuddy.

[gandalf5166]

He doesn't act this way as town either. The fact is, chess makes a point of making himself impossible to meta by being a different kind of ridiculous every single game.

[gandalf5166]

Narsis has a point.

[gandalf5166]

Wow lol. I love how chess posted town reads without any explanation and no scumreads. Yeah, making town lists is pretty easy for scum, isn't it? And then when they flip town, you can just say "I told you so". And I liked how you threw in your scumbuddy too.

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I never said townreads were useless. I said stating them in thread without any scumreads to go along with is scummy. And yes I know that ADB did the same thing, but I find chess scummier, so he can wait until tomorrow.

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Nah, vezok is town. I have experience with him.

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I never said townreads were useless. I said stating them in thread without any scumreads to go along with is scummy. And yes I know that ADB did the same thing, but I find chess scummier, so he can wait until tomorrow.

imagine if you had all but 3/4 town reads- that would be useful, will it not?
adumbrodeus wheres the question for gandalf? i cant see it

Yes, but you shouldn't state your townreads until something like that happens. Otherwise, you're just telling scum who to kill.

Question, why?

This has been a standing question since the second post I made on this thread and he has yet to answer it.



Also, I'm not quite sure what you mean, but your post was an illustration since it obviously wasn't just chesskid who thought it was still RVS.[/quote]
What do you mean why?

[gandalf5166]

Please..... stop the claimage.

And that doesn't confirm you, vezo. While it's UNLIKELY that scum would have a governor in a mini, it's not impossible.

As for experience with vezo, here you go:
Game where he's scum:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... =3&t=14592
Game where he's town:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... =3&t=15096
They're both really long games, but you can look at his ISO.
Just look at those, and the difference between them. I can never quite explain the difference, but it's relatively easy to see.

[gandalf5166]

WAIT. Did andrew just make a good point?

VOTE:TA

[gandalf5166]

Scum can bus.

[gandalf5166]

I've been busy today and I'm hopefully going to post something substantial today, but just a quick question before I have to leave:

Why in the world did VP claim?

No one but vezo will ever know. He does it fairly often though.

[gandalf5166]

Forgot to throw in "and usually as town".

[gandalf5166]

Okay, what I mean is that I've never seen him do it as scum. How's that?

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Why is that scummy? What is the scum motivation for that statement? I'm not saying there's not one, but I'd like to hear it from you.

NOBODY ELSE ANSWER THE QUESTION.

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Why is that scummy? What is the scum motivation for that statement? I'm not saying there's not one, but I'd like to hear it from you.

NOBODY ELSE ANSWER THE QUESTION.

Directed at chess.

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Lol this argument again? Long days are anti-town. Players start to drag, and they out-think themselves. At the end of a long game day, townies are in their most moldable status. It's a fact. You can look at any game, and see that it's true.

Also, governor shots can be possessed by scum. Don't forget that.

[gandalf5166]

No flavor.

I am some kind of magician. And that's all. I can mess with people's minds.

What is the name of the spell? And CK, you better answer too. Time to go open up the Player's Handbook to craft a fakeclaim.

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That's not how it works, gandalf. I wouldn't tell Narsis, but I'll magically tell you? I did chuckle a little irl.

Hah. You're funny. Tell me or I'll dayvig you.

If you don't own the 3.5 Player's Handbook, I can loan it to you.

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Oh fuck no I don't have a dayvig shot. You're joking right?

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Wait a goddamn second. There's no such thing as Stinking Shot. It's not a spell.

VOTE: Chesskid

Either actually look at your role PM and tell me what it ACTUALLY says, or I'll have to assume you botched your fakeclaim.

PEDIT: Oh, okay.

unvote

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And that fits flavor-wise, so I'll assume you actually have that ability for now. Especially since no-lynch shot is kind of bizarre to make up.

Vezok, what is your spell name? And for chrissake, make sure you say it right so I don't accidentally dayvig you.

And no, I'm never going to tell you guys whether I ACTUALLY have a day-vig shot or not.

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It's only one-shot, so I'm not going to use it so soon. I'd rather save it for MyLo.

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I stand corrected I'm also cool with you vigging Narsis.

With a claimed dayvig shot, are you worried about being nightkilled?

Nope.

What do you mean why?

Why do you believe he was defending his scumbuddy?

Because they're both scum, and he was defending him. I'm assuming they're scum. I suppose one of them could be an SK. Also, I've found that making absolute statements like that garners reactions that can be useful.

why would u claim a dag vig...

Pretty much this.

None of your business. Also, don't forget that I may or may not actually have it. I'm not telling you. I'm going to dangle it over all your heads.

In class right now, apologies for the utter lack of content in the last few days.

Gandalf, can you tell me as to what flavor this game is based on? I thought it was just a snowbunny creation.

It's D&D flavor. I believe 3.5.

A site where I can refer to everything would be nice.

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page
That's the wiki.

[gandalf5166]

Gandalf your dayvig will make this a lot easier. Shoot any of RBT,Narsis,Dark Horse,Malthusis, then we'll lynch another from there, maybe vig another one at night, and then get the last one tomorrow?

PEDIT: Don't softclaim, please?

IM NOT GOING TO USE MY DAYVIG TODAY, IN THE CASE THAT IT ACTUALLY EXISTS.

And I will survive the night, don't worry. The earliest I would even CONSIDER using it is tomorrow.

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PEDIT: Don't softclaim, please?

Oops missed this part >.>

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None of your business. Also, don't forget that I may or may not actually have it. I'm not telling you. I'm going to dangle it over all your heads.

If you're alive toMorrow, i'll raise an eyebrow.

Hi my name is darkhorse and I like to line up lynches.

This is 100% true. I can't believe I missed it.

vote: dark horse

OMGLETSBANDWAGONTHISSHIT

VOTE: Dark Horse

[gandalf5166]

^ implies that you know that there is a watcher

^^ Implies that you know that scum know there's a watcher?

[gandalf5166]

I'll hammer.

Claimtime MUCH?!?!?!?!??!?!?

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I'm not sure whether I've said this already, but: CK is no longer one of my major suspects. Not just because of the claim. In fact, the claim proves nothing to me, because he has the perfect excuse to never actually prove it. He just isn't playing scummily anymore.

Andy and RBT are most likely to be scum at this point, with Doombunny and Adumbro each possibly taking up the last spot(if there is a third spot, which in a game like this, with this much town power, there probably is).

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I don't think anybody's a VT in this game. That would just kind of suck >.>

Also, I'm assuming that there's a lot of town power since we're kind of all JOATs >.>

If you became confirmed, I would certainly give some thought to your input, yes. As for power of absolute veto, maybe not.

The problem is that using your ability would serve no purpose other than to prove that you're town. Although using it in MyLo might be acceptable, even though I really wanted to use my dayvig in mylo. I guess that another night for PRs minus scum-controlled kill>town-controlled kill. I'll just save my dayvig for if I'm stuck in LyLo and nobody is listening to me >.>

[gandalf5166]

Oh. Maybe I should read the rules.

[gandalf5166]

That...... makes me feel really stupid and not smart. I've given scum a lot of information that I just kind of assumed they already had.

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It's ok. We're winning this shit by Night 2/Day 3 at worst, so it doesn't matter.

QFT. We've already got two scum, and based on the abilities already claimed cross-referenced with my own, we could easily find the others by PoE.

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Probably everybody who isn't a VT is JOAT-like. And TPs probably have different abilities that fi with their class. For example, I wouldn't be surprised by a barbarian SK.

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VOTE: RBT

His claim..... seems wrong to me. I don't like it. It doesn't make sense from a cross-reference of my abilities and his.

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WAAAAAAIIIIT.

Anyone see what I am seeing in the claim of RBT. I think he is a godfather.

He should be the lynch for today.

Why do you think he's a godfather? I mean, he could have that same kind of function, where he could keep PRs at bay, but godfather isn't the word I'd use. He's more like a cross between a roleblocker and a GF. BTW, I think his vig shot is bullshit.

[gandalf5166]

I think he's just stalling. He probably has a really powerful ability he wants to be able to use tonight, and he doesn't care if he gets insta-lynched tomorrow.

[gandalf5166]

unvote
VOTE: RBT

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mod

: Where is chesskid's vote? I think he voted RBT and if so then RBT is lynched.

He unvoted to ward off a quickhammer. That said, I am comfortable going one to one with RBT. If he flips town, you can lynch me tomorrow. Because him being town and me being town, with those abilities, just doesn't fit.

[gandalf5166]

I don't think you're understanding >.>

What I'm saying is that RBT's ablities+my abilities on the same side seems a little bit excessive.

[gandalf5166]

No, it's not just about the power level of his abilities, but the nature of them seems dangerously close to mine.

[gandalf5166]

No, not the same spell name.

[gandalf5166]

No. His vig shot is a load of bull. We're lynching him today, he obviously has something he wants to do tonight, and I'm not inclined to let him.

[gandalf5166]

Seriously, he's not about to show up. If he says anything now, he might out his scumbuddies.

[gandalf5166]

I say hammer now.

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As scum, why would he come back? He's already served his purpose. All he'd be doing at this point is providing connections. The only reason he would come back if he was town, or thought he could convince us he was town by coming back.

[gandalf5166]

Which she is.

[gandalf5166]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Adios bitches, I just won!

[gandalf5166]

Not that it matters to me anymore, but chess is town. WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[gandalf5166]

I'm not actually a lyncher. I was just reaction fishing. I do it a lot. Once, I did it, and I got lynched, despite the fact that I had "claimed" I had already won. They were convinced I had made some mistake. The funny part was that I announced that I had won on PAGE THREE of the game, when absolutely NOTHING could have possibly happened that would have caused me to win.

Based on reactions to my claim:
Doom and chess are town
ThAdmiral's reaction is null leaning town
vezok is stupid
DH and andy are scum.

[gandalf5166]

Both of you basically ignored my claim. Doesn't feel right.

[gandalf5166]

My guess is that you guys were surprised your scumbuddy was a lyncher target, so you avoided comment lest that show.

[gandalf5166]

Why wouldn't I? And why didn't you say that?

[gandalf5166]

Andrew is pretty clearly scum.

[gandalf5166]

TOMORROW I WOULD BE GONE, DUMBASS

[gandalf5166]

I was also roleblocked. Obv mass roleblocker is obv.

VOTE: Andrew

[gandalf5166]

Nice bus thar. I might just lynch you first.

[gandalf5166]

Actually, no. That vote doesn't feel like a bus. More likely, you're a TP, voting for scum so that you can earn town cred.

Also, I forgot to say: I CANNOT EVEN COMPREHEND HOW RBT FLIPPED TOWN. I mean, she had to be lying about her abilities.

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Also, RBT was so scummy even the mod thought he was scum. That's a record.

Oh, is that the reason for the whole "mistake in reading RBT's role" thing? That's hilarious.

I don't find it unreasonable at all that chess would have a mass roleblock and a no-lynch shot. I do want to know: What's the flavor on the roleblock?

I'm not using my dayvig today. I'm saving it for tomorrow at the earliest.

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I'm not using my dayvig today. I'm saving it for tomorrow at the earliest.

Unless you know something I don't, the mafia would be mad to let you live until tomorrow......

There is. Believe me. And no, I'm not going to tell you what.

[gandalf5166]

Also, chess might know what I'm doing, if he remembers a certain ongoing game.......

[gandalf5166]

I am NOT going to use my day-vig today. No way Jose. THINK CHESSKID.

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Dude we can get both Dark Horse AND Narsis if you use it SCREAM

except i'm town?

also Dark Horse isn't a VT. 100% guaranteed.

Is this role related info? Tell me or I'll shoot you.

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Dude we can get both Dark Horse AND Narsis if you use it SCREAM

except i'm town?

also Dark Horse isn't a VT. 100% guaranteed.

Is this role related info? Tell me or I'll shoot you.

it's related to the role i have plus what happened last night.

Okay. Apparently you ARENT stupid enough that you forgot that there was a mass roleblock last night. However, at MC, I will be wanting to know EXACTLY how you have this info.

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Good point, actually. If the reason you know was because of an ability that can no longer be used, I'd like you to share with the rest of class.

Also, the reason I was freaking out was that I thought Narsis was claiming a track result and that I had caught scum being stupid.

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Because there's such an incredible amount of town power. Just trust me, I won't be using it today unless something REALLY sticks out to me, and a lynch isn't going to work out.

I didn't lose my ability. Vezok is clearly lying.

VOTE: Vezok

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FINE. One thing about the dayvig shot though: it doesn't actually work until the end of the day. >.>

I'll send it in today(not right now, but before the lynch happens), but you won't see it until the lynch scene. I think he made it that way so that I couldn't make it into a kind of second lynch. The reason I wasn't going to use it today is totally different though. And NO, I won't tell you the flavor. Scum might be able to figure something out that I REALLY don't want them knowing.

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Yes. I was lying.

If scum consider me a vanilla townie than they won't NK me. Easy as that. Actually I didn't lose any abilities.

You're hilarious. Yeah, die scum.

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Vezok's town, dude.

He just got caught lying to keep himself from being nightkilled. Obv third party.

Also, it's not just the amount of town power, it's just that his abilities are nearly EXACTLY the same as mine, in purpose if not exactly. For example, I don't have a jailkeep, but I have pseudo-protective abilities.

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PEDIT: Only so many roles a JOAT can have, tbh. Especially if you start using JKs as Docs, etc etc. Now shaddup about your abilities please.

PLEASE JUST THINK ABOUT GAMES YOUVE PLAYED WITH ME. I'm trying to send you a message, and it's CLEARLY not getting through. Also, there are PLENTY of abilities out there.

Vezok's town, dude.

He just got caught lying to keep himself from being nightkilled. Obv third party.

wouldn't town power roles also act in a similar fashion though?

Not in a game where everybody(or at least, almost everybody) is a power role.

[gandalf5166]

Chess, you think there's four scum? That seems like a bit much. Although I guess this game does have quite a bit of town power.

[gandalf5166]

Oh, right. If you really had caught ALL of the scum on your scumlist, then there would have been some objection.

[gandalf5166]

Oh wow. With posts like that, you're going to rocket to the top part of chess's town/scum lists in no time. So. We have andrew, Narsis, Dark Horse, and vezok as thrid party?

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Oh, and malthusis is just stupid. And if you're wondering what happened to my meta of vezok, a lot of people behave differently as TP than as scum. I've never seen vezok as TP, so he still qualifies.

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Narsis, you're stupid. The first three are normal scum, vezok's the only TP.

I guess......

VOTE: Narsis

Just for the sake of this being a more popular lynch than vezok, so this one will actually go through.

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Everyone voting Narsis or DH needs to explain why they picked one and not the other, btw.

I'm too lazy to look at a vote count, but I believe that Narsis is the bigger wagon? That and Narsis is more dead weight. DH might at least bus for towncred.

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Er. Andrew, I really think I just want to lynch you so that I won't have to facepalm so often. I'm afraid I'll get a nosebleed.

[gandalf5166]

That claim was a little bit too quick. Why did you claim so early, DH?

[gandalf5166]

Well, sorcerers don't have specialties, so I doubt that scum would have THOSE abilities.

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UNVOTE: VOTE: Narsis

I really should unvote.

[gandalf5166]

The rules won't let scum kill their scumbuddies, silly.

[gandalf5166]

Damn, Malthusis is skyrocketing on my scumlist. WHY ARE THERE SO MANY SCUMMY PLAYERS?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[gandalf5166]

Malt is prob TP.

[gandalf5166]

O DURN, DOOM CLAIMED SCUMZ

VOTE: Bunny

[gandalf5166]

Wow lol. People took my Doom vote seriously? I was being every bit sarcastic, hence the lack of an unvote? My vote's still on Narsis.

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BTW, Narsis is scum for trying to sheep my joke vote. Doom now has a link to him too, as he may have been distancing. Not that I'll instalynch Doom tomorrow once Narsis flips scum, but it's something that should be noted.

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Wait, we aren't lynching Narsis just because he claimed townie? And he claimed UNIVERSALIST as townie? Let's not forget, the last claimed universalist had powers? And he flipped town, however baffling that was?

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Oh fine. Vig sounds good. I'll probably vig him today. If something happens with my shot though, vig him tonight.

VOTE: Malthusis

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unvote
VOTE: Malthusis

L1, whether chess likes it or not.

[gandalf5166]

Oh right, forgot about that shit. Malthusis does need to claim though.

If Narsis survives my dayvig(I have this weird suspicion that he will, he's just way too confident), someone vig him tonight.

[gandalf5166]

As always, I forgot the most important part of the post:

unvote

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Damn you ThAdmiral, I was going to explain my vote, but then you came in and did it for me. Essentially, all you've done all game is defend yourself, and attack your attackers.

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Yeah, malthusis is scum. It's ne thing for me and RBT to be in the game. It's another thing entirely for ME, RBT AND MALTHUSIS to be in the game. Unless scum has like............ unlimited strongman shots.

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Just trust me, Malthusis is a fucking liar. Town has way too much protective power. Do you seriously believe that in a game where nearly everybody is a JOAT, that one player would have unlimited docs, with two(yes, I am claiming that I have protective powers. Of what nature, I will not say) players that already have protective powers? Also, look at it THIS way.

JKs are usually introduced to a game as limited docs/roleblockers. You can protect a cop, but they won't be able to investigate. You can roleblock scum, but the vig won't be able to kill them. WHY WOULD TOWN HAVE A CHOICE BETWEEN JKING AND DOCCING? I know I would choose doc every single time, if I had unlimited docs. More likely, Malth is scum with Arcane Lock, and the other two are completely made up. I mean, Shield? That has lazy fakeclaim written all over it.

[gandalf5166]

*FUCKINGHEADDESK*

You haven't answered the most important point, about the nature of the JK.

[gandalf5166]

Okay. Why would you want to protect scum, when a vig might be targeting them that night? And not to mention, the scummy ones aren't going to be performing the kills, for just that reason.


Yeah, fakeclaims are easy. That's how you tell them apart, they're too easy. I mean, SERIOUSLY? SHIELD? I swear.

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Yeah, DH is your buddy, don't worry. We already have that down. You don't need to make lame attempts at bussing for us to figure it out. Is malth your scumbuddy too? Or is he TP? If you answer, I'll give you a cookie.

[gandalf5166]

Lolol. You actually answered. Do you like eCookies? Or do you want to rent a PO box so I can send you some?

[gandalf5166]

I made a bunch, so share with the rest of class.

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Nothing, other than the fact that if I knew nothing about D&D and was making a fakeclaim for doc, it's almost certainly what I'd use.

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The rules won't let scum kill their scumbuddies, silly.

Someone asked the scum to kill andrew. I said that they couldn't because andrew was scum, and scum can't kill themselves. Simple really.

Nothing, other than the fact that if I knew nothing about D&D and was making a fakeclaim for doc, it's almost certainly what I'd use.

I disagree. If I knew nothing I would probably go something like "heal".

Not really. Heal would be saving them AFTER they were hurt, not protecting them from being hurt. Although you're right in that they might go either way.

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The rules won't let scum kill their scumbuddies, silly.

Someone asked the scum to kill andrew. I said that they couldn't because andrew was scum, and scum can't kill themselves. Simple really.

Where?

I can see why scum would not WANT to kill other scum, but not being able to, I see no rule against that.

Oh. It's in most rulesets, I just assumed that it was in this one too.

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I'm hesitant for one reason........ We've forced two claims already.

And by the way, I wasn't saying that malt was scum because shield was too obvious. I was simply saying that his claim didn't prove that he was town at all. The part that actually supported him being scum was the part about JK vs. doc.

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Because chess IS town. The JK v. doc thing is that if I had unlimited docs, and a two-shot JK, I would almost certainly use the doc every single night.

1. It's much easier to decipher who the scum will kill than which scum will perform the kill(since the logical move for scum is for the most under the radar scum to perform the kill).
2. If you thought someone was going to be killed, then surely you thought they were town, and hence wouldn't want to roleblock them.

So how does a role with unlimited docs and a two-shot JK make ANY sense whatsoever?

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Okay, this is going to sound really weirdly paranoid, but.........

What if RBT was a death anti-miller? And he actually was scum, but he had an ability that made him flip town? And that was why the mod screwed up?

Katsuki, pretend I'm stupid. What's the parallel between here and Alphabet Mafia?

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I don't remember that, but I believe you. I would like to point out though, that town DID win that game. Even if it was undeserved..........[/bitter] As I remember, most of the claiming was D2. Regardless, I'm not sure why that's relevant. I DO think that at least for today, we should lynch out of those that have already claimed or at least pseudo-claimed. There's almost certainly scum somewhere in there, so it's really not a bad idea. Especially malthusis

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Gandalf, I find it funny that you say I'm scum, but your point how "I couldve been so shocked that my scumbuddie was a lyncher target , so I decided not to comment on it", it's valid, as RBT wasn't scum.

Just pointing it out.

So maybe you're the third party, and you were surprised that there was another one? I don't really know, I just know that your play thus far has not been pro-town. ESPECIALLY bringing this up again, like 5 pages after we moved on.

The Alphabet stuff was about claiming, yes. Although there was a death anti-miller in Cross Edge Bastard Mod. Although that hardly counts as evidence, for obvious reasons. And technically that role could CHOOSE what they wanted to flip.

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Death ANTI-miller. Difference. Unlike Death millers, which can make you not realize you're in LyLo and thus suck, this would just make us think we were in LyLo earlier, which wouldn't really be that bad.

@Narsis: Like I said, his reaction to my claim is not at all the chief reason that I think he's scum.

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Why are you so opposed to lynching Mathusis? And I'm totally serious about the anti-miller. Because I can't come to grips at all with the fact that RBT flipped town.

[gandalf5166]

That makes some sense. Okay, I'm switching my dayvig to malthusis now. Who thinks Narsis is a survivor?

So scumteam is: Malthusis, ADumbro, Andrew. Third Party is: Narsis.

VOTE: ADumbro

Since everyone has this townread on Andrew for some reason. Maybe I should use my dayvig on him instead.

[gandalf5166]

unvote
VOTE: Adumbro

WHY IS HE TOWN? He's done absolutely nothing all game.

[gandalf5166]

Have you been reading the game at all? >.> My dayvig takes effect at the lynch scene.

By the way, if my dayvig doesn't go through, I retain my shot. So if I shoot Narsis(I'm pretty sure he's a bulletproof survivor, and me shooting him would prove that), I would still be able to shoot him. I'd be fine with shooting Andrew tomorrow if it doesn't go through.

So if Andrew was scum, you think that he would be more pro-town? Lol.

[gandalf5166]

I would still be able to shoot again*

[gandalf5166]

He just seemed way too confident in the face of being threatened with my shot.

[gandalf5166]

That was a newbie. His play has "improved" since then.

[gandalf5166]

I assume you mean town?

[gandalf5166]

Alright, that's enough for me. I'm switching my vig shot to andrew, and chess, you will be heavily scrutinized if he flips scum.

[gandalf5166]

Okay, you're still town.

[gandalf5166]

There aren't any in particular that I can think of. But you're all scum, and Narsis is a survivor, so you're obviously on a scumteam. Simple logic.

[gandalf5166]

Simple logic, man. There might be interactions. I don't remember any in particular.

[gandalf5166]

Yup, and I'm vigging andrew.

[gandalf5166]

I'm not vigging Narsis because he responded horribly to the threat of my vig. I'm pretty sure he's bulletproof, and quite probably bulletproof survivor. I MIGHT consider vigging malthusis.

Also, Malt claimed a two-shot JAILKEEPER, not roleblock.

[gandalf5166]

The main reason I'm shooting andrew though, is that every single other person in this game seems to believe he's town for no explicable reason. So I have to shoot him, or he never dies.

[gandalf5166]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Kat is scum. But on the side, I'm not any of those kills. AND I used Repulsion last night, which is a one-shot commute. Nice try tho Kat.

The dayvig was a lie to try to attract a nightkill and hopefully get a vig to waste a shot. I can see that it didn't work. >.>

[gandalf5166]

Well, I was afraid that there might be too many people who would shoot their vig off at the first chance. So I wanted to draw a vig, since apparently wasted shots are re-usable anyways. But mainly the mafia night-kill.

[gandalf5166]

One thing: Assuming that RBT isn't a death miller, there are still three scum out there, as opposed to one SK. We lynch the SK, and we're screwed. We lynch scum...... and we're still screwed. Death miller sounding less ridiculous now?

[gandalf5166]

It means that the game is still winnable for town.......

Someone was slashed to death. No wizard would slash someone to death, which means we're dealing with a different class, which according to the rules, means we're dealing with a third-party. So we HAVE to have an SK.

[gandalf5166]

:applause:

Of course scum makes it sound like he's our only chance to win.

[gandalf5166]

Kat, do you really think he protected you? He protected me. Why in the fuck would he protect you? He protected me because I had claimed dayvig(which wasn't really necessary, but whatevs).

Give one good reason why he would protect you. That said, Malt should really get in here and settle this.

[gandalf5166]

Alright. But I'm not going to vote until Malt settles it. Because if he targeted Kat, Kat is either town or they're scumbuddies.

[gandalf5166]

Still would like malt to come in and confirm it. I have a thing.

[gandalf5166]

Commute makes you completely untargetable for a night.

[gandalf5166]

WAIT

Malth, you CANT protect yourself. Doctors never can, because a doc that can protect themselves is broken, especially if there's a vig in the game, which there clearly is.

Malt just lied to all of us. Can we lynch him after Kat? <3

[gandalf5166]

That's weird.... I don't know if I can protect myself, I haven't bothered asking.

[gandalf5166]

WAIT

Malth, you CANT protect yourself. Doctors never can, because a doc that can protect themselves is broken, especially if there's a vig in the game, which there clearly is.

Malt just lied to all of us. Can we lynch him after Kat? <3

The game will be over after you guys lynch me.

Lolnicetry.

[gandalf5166]

A pyromancer? There's no such thing, at least not as a specialization.

[gandalf5166]

That's a prestige class. Not a specialization. The rest of us have specializations, and the one's who don't are called universalist, implying that all other town roles are specializations.

The only thing I lied about was my daykill. I was trying to attract a nightkill. The only reason it was so disruptive is that I had to prolong the illusion through TWO days because of chess's mass roleblock.

[gandalf5166]

VOTE: Katsuki

BAIBAI SK

On further thought, ThAdmiral is likely town since there's no way that there are two SKs and a scumteam. And ThAd would have to be an SK.

[gandalf5166]

/awestruck and andrew's stupidity

You really think that there's 3 scum and an SK? And you realize that if there really is, we've already lost anyways, right?

[gandalf5166]

/awestruck at*

[gandalf5166]

BTW. What Kat said about me "slipping". She was obv SK. She had been tracked to Doombunny, who had been slashed to death. No sorceror would slash someone to death, and the scumteam is all sorcerors, as the mod has told us. Only third-party are other classes.

[gandalf5166]

I need ThAdmiral to tell me what spell he used to kill Narsis.

[gandalf5166]

You are conf town. No way scum would have a no-lynch shot in a game of this size. And mass-roleblock at least strongly implies that you're town. I'd like to go just before you, and definitely after ThAdmiral, because I have info that if revealed may cause some to change their claims. Andrew should probably go first. Meaning, andrew, ThAdmiral, me, and then chess.

If anyone has any problems with this, speak up.

[gandalf5166]

Actually, I'd like to claim before ThAd, but after andrew.

[gandalf5166]

ThAdmiral was voting for Doombunny? Why? Why on earth?

[gandalf5166]

I have info that says ThAd's claim may be legit. I refuse to go after him.

[gandalf5166]

Errr..... what specialization are you? We kinda need some more than that.
Okay, I'm a universalist.
I have Legend Lore, which is two shot, and gives me one random ability that a player has. Protection from Energy, which is two-shot, and is a doc. Repulsion, which is one-shot, and is a commute. Control Undead, which is one-shot, and(this is weird) allows me to target one dead player. That player will then perform a random one of their actions on a random player. If the action is investigative, I receive the results. I'm not sure of the utility of that one, so I haven't used it yet.

N1 I tried to use Repulsion. N2 I used Repulsion. N3 I used Legend Lore on ThAdmiral and got a result of Fire Lightning Bolt, which apparently attempts to kill a target. If the kill is prevented, it kills the first person who targeted the target. Oh, and it's one-shot.

So we know that ThAd is telling the truth about being a Pyromancer. The question is, why the hell would town have an ability like that? I mean, it's by far most likely to kill the doc if it doesn't kill the kill target. I thought it might be possible that ThAd might leave this out of his fakeclaim, which is why I wanted to go after him, but I decided that it was unlikely, so I went before so that I could prove that I had the ability.

[gandalf5166]

You were online, you read your PM.
Now you are not online.
PRoblem with your fakeclaim?

Are we talking about me? I was just typing it up.

[gandalf5166]

You were online, you read your PM.
Now you are not online.
PRoblem with your fakeclaim?

Are we talking about me? I was just typing it up.

*facepalm*

Obviously, I mean my claim, not my fakeclaim.

[gandalf5166]

Either way, I don't see much reason why town would have a vig of that nature. More likely, it's like a strongman kill, only better. Scum have it so that they can make the obvious kill, and then if that person's protected by the doc, the doc dies instead.

[gandalf5166]

How does that confirm ThAd in any way, Gandalf? He could be just easily be a sorcerer with a set of spells that would fit with a pyromancer claim.

However, I'm going to wait till he claims until I say anything more.

Nobody but a Pyromancer would have a FIRE lightning bolt. He could be a sorcerer pyromancer though. And looking at his kills, I'd say that's more and more likely. I don't see a town reason for him to have anything but Burning Hands and MAYBE Fire Shield. He's almost certainly a mafia strongman.

[gandalf5166]

Contingency sounds pretty town, although there's no way for him to prove it.

[gandalf5166]

Ok so uh Andrew could very well have stolen his claim from Narsis, who also claimed that.

Legend Lore reads like a rolecop to me :/

It is a rolecop. It just only gets one ability.

either gandalf + thadmiral are scum buddies because gandalf just listed one of thadmiral's abilities or other scenrios

Or I could be telling the truth...... >.>

[gandalf5166]

Oh wow, I did phrase it that way. Oops.... >.>

I don't get to use the ability. >.>

[gandalf5166]

Apparently. Can we lynch him now? Cause I've wanted to for three days now.

[gandalf5166]

Haha. Surprise surprise. One of them's gotta be andrew's scumbuddy.

[gandalf5166]

Could also be scum together.

Technically, but that would involve andrew being town.

[gandalf5166]

And you're not town, as posts like that pretty clearly indicate.

[gandalf5166]

How do you know that?

[gandalf5166]

He defended the vanilla townie role. How does that prove that he was one?

[gandalf5166]

Chess, you are responsible for 17 pages of this game. That's ten more than even me. >.>

[gandalf5166]

11 JOATs?
1 VT?
hell no.

Oh right. I was thinking that there were two, but then I remembered that andrew was scum.

I'm not sure why it's relevant. Somehow we have to decide whether we want to lynch malthusis or ThAdmiral. Froma perspective of play, I want to go for malt. He's been a lot more scummy than ThAd. But ThAd's claim....... But then malt's claim was pretty bogus too. In fact, thinking about the claims is making me think that andrew might actually be town....... FML. I have a 2/3 chance of being right...... and I'm still having an anxiety attack over here.

[gandalf5166]

And to think, I thought today that I would just lynch andrew and be safe..... FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

And yeah, going into tonight is gonna be risky if ThAd flips town. Although if he vengeshoots, it's gonna have to be at malt, since if TA's town, malt is scum. So that'll be one scum down, for sure. I'll protect at my own discretion, I guess......... But if andrew(if we go into 2:1 night, it would mean that the scumteam was malt/andrew), shoots the guy I don't protect, we're fucked.

WAIT NO! FUCKING LIGHTBULB MOMENT. RIGHT HERE. Chess, you can make someone untargetable for one night? We can cross-protect. Genius. Or you can just vig andrew and we can do it the easy way. I think I'd get more satisfaction out of actually getting to lynch him, though.

KACHING. FUCKING GAMEBREAKING STRATEGY. DONE AND FUCKING DONE. Shall we lynch ThAd now?

[gandalf5166]

Oh right. If andrew is lying scum, he might have abilities that could fuck with it. With that, an answer to malt's question will be important if we're going to plan this out properly.

[gandalf5166]

Look at the night kills. There are still a couple unclaimed including the one where someone was

eaten

. Who is more likely scum? Me or the team that is eating people?

And sorry to spoil your plan but if I get lynched I'm killing gandalf.

Really? You would kill me based on a crazy hunch rather than vote for the person who is CONFIRMED TO BE SCUM IF YOU'RE TOWN?

Notice that your kill disappeared the night that someone was eaten. Conveniently, it was apparently on someone who has claimed to be selfprotecting since N1. Sounds suspicious to me. The third kill on N2 could have been Doombunny's. Or vezok's.

And no, nice try though. Malt has been selfprotecting. malt/ThAd scumteam is seeming more and more likely the more ThAd opens his mouth.

[gandalf5166]

Actually, let's humor this theory. I'm scum. Who's my scumbuddy?

[gandalf5166]

Well. If so, then my breaking strategy should work, since scum clearly don't have a way around the cross-protect. Either way, lynching ThAd seems like the smart move. The problem, of course, is that he insists on killing me if he dies, since town would definitely lose then even if I WAS scum.

[gandalf5166]

Actually, that thought process doesn't make sense when I think about it. We wouldn't necessarily lose if I were scum. I had some justification as to why only malt could be my scumbuddy. Not sure why.

[gandalf5166]

Malt, have you considered that your actions haven't worked because you're not allowed to target yourself? Also, I all of a sudden have these crazy town vibes coming from malthusis. Like, that last post was almost certainly genuine. I'm perfectly comfortable with a

VOTE: ThAdmiral

Because I no longer believe that malt is mafia, so that just leaves andrew and ThAd. Yeah, this is probably going to be interpreted as "proof" of a malt/gandalf scumteam. I don't care. Malt is town. Someone hammer. I'm not worried about ThAd killing me. Scum don't have vengekills. So trying to convince ThAd to vig someone else is pointless.

[gandalf5166]

I forgot the "by ThAd" at the end of "'proof' of a malt/gandalf scumteam"

[gandalf5166]

Well. ThAd's going to die. Andrew's the last scum. I don't see any reason why we wouldn't all three just self-protect. Chess could vig andrew, but if andrew has any protective power, he could just block it, and potentially still kill. That said, so long as ThAd flips scum, it doesn't really matter much. Now, if ThAd flips town, and vigs me, we're screwed. If he vigs scum though(which would be you, so you don't really have to worry much about this plan if you're really town), then me and chess would PROBABLY crossprotect. However, I'll let chess decide at his own discretion whether he would rather protect me or vig andrew. Which one doesn't really matter if andrew has roleblocking powers, as he can just block and kill chess. But if he has protective powers, then he would protect himself and kill, so the smart choice would probably be to protect just in case he isn't the roleblocker.

like I said though, this is all moot so long as ThAd flips scum, as NAs are pretty much irrelevant at that point.

[gandalf5166]

No. It doesn't. >.> If andrew has any protective powers, he protects and kills and its over. If he has any roleblocking powers, he roleblocks chess and kills and its over. Either way, he wins. Whereas if chess crossprotects, then andrew only wins if he has a roleblock. Of course, it's possible tat he might have neither. But in that case, protecting still does just fine, since you go into 2:1 LyLo with a confirmed scum. That ends pretty quickly.

[gandalf5166]

Oh. I thought you were talking about the situation where ThAd was town. >.>

[gandalf5166]

Wow. You think bussing is going to help?

[gandalf5166]

Once again, I say: Eaten is Summon Monster. What other D&D class would eat people?

[gandalf5166]

LOLSCUMCLAIM?!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!??!??!??!?!OMGWEJUSTLOSTWEMISLYNCHEDCAUSECHESSCLAIMEDSCUMANDHEWOULDNTDOTHATIFTHEGAMEWASNTOVER

[gandalf5166]

BE THE BATMAN. BE IT. YOU ARE THE BATMAN.

[gandalf5166]

^ i like how you 'know' thadmiral is going to flip scum

He has to. Unless it's a malt/you scumteam. Which is highly unlikely. ThAd is the common denominator.

[gandalf5166]

You mean parentheses.

[gandalf5166]

(This sentence is in brackets, not parentheses.)

[] are brackets. () are parentheses.

[gandalf5166]

I'm having a bit of a stroke over here too.

[gandalf5166]

DAMMIT! I CANT START PLAYING BRAID UNTIL I FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED. POST THE SCENE. I DONT CARE IF ITS HALF-FINISHED OR NOT.

[gandalf5166]

SERIOUSLY. IM HAVING A FUCKING STROKE.

[gandalf5166]

Woah. That was ridiculous. The mod fucked with my mind right before he posted the lynch scene by acting like we had lost.

And I'm sorry, chesskid. I will forever feel as if I have violated your trust. RBT really was a death anti-miller

[gandalf5166]

This game was really fun though. And that anti-miller was really useful. It meant that I could claim abilities as a universalist without the only claimed universalist being vanilla. >.>

[gandalf5166]

http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/WuHTYCRXci7
Scum QT. I'm sure you'll all get a kick out of the last few posts.

[gandalf5166]

why claim a vengeful kill
if you do not have a vengeful kill

Exactly what I thought after he died. ThAd fucked you guys over, big time.

[gandalf5166]

I loved this game. It really is the most fun I've had with mafia in a while. Katsuki's role was...... interesting. No wonder you warned us not to claim.

[gandalf5166]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH MC WAS A HORRIBLE IDEA GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Also technically Gandalf should be aliev since acid arrow wouldn't work once i claimed it, right?

Notice I didn't die. >.>

[gandalf5166]

Why DID you shoot me BTW? During the day, it seemed like I had you fooled.