Mini 1054/The Illusion - Creation (Over)

[UncertainKitten]

Yo. Read the game, not drawn any strong conclusions yet. xvart is of note, however, in that he oscillates between rather scummy and rather townish with each time he posts, or something to that effect. The gandalf lynch felt kinda forced though, so, to start off I think I'll

Vote: xvart

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I'll create an ISO based case in a bit.

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Oh, right, the miller claim. Gotta admit xvart echoed my thoughts on that, but I'm willing to judge Chronopie based on behavior.

this post stands out as a misrep because as far as I can tell the claiming of reaction fishing occurred AFTER the "trap had been sprung" (I think gandalf's tactics were kinda silly, though.) I'll note the questions are good though.

I disagree with this post in that mafia have reason to SK hunt as much as town. Or other third party hunt. At the very least it makes them look active because they're doing "sincere hunting".

Next three posts are rhetoric rhetoric rhetoric. Not very helpful.

Hmm...this post is one I glazed over when reading the game. This is xvart's best post and rather solid. Not sure what to think.

Question about this post: What alternate win con could gandalf be claiming? As far as I can tell there's not much in the way of third party options. And how could mafia win at that point?

Well, as I said, it oscillates. I'm happy with my xvart vote, but open to suggestions.

[UncertainKitten]

As I said, no STRONG reads. But hey, how am I going to get them if I don't poke some people I have a scum read on? The way xvart handled it felt off to me, mainly.

[UncertainKitten]

@GW: Elaborate? I could see it,but if it's what I think it is, I don't like it.

[UncertainKitten]

Alright, I'll play. I thought you saw this:

MOD: Does a scumteam of two get a kill, if one of them dies?

And concluded he was asking out of self interest.

[UncertainKitten]

Yeah, this kinda sucks. Other people should post. It's the cool thing to do.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, when you don't have leads, you're supposed to ask questions, and let the answers lead you. Or something like that. It's what I do. Just so happens I have a lead and am mildly distressed dearest xvart hasn't taken the opportunity to reply yet.

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@Xvart: The misrep was the timing. At first it was about the use of reaction fishing, BEFORE he backtracked to it being a joke. The only time he said reaction fishing at that point was AFTER the 'trap' had been sprung, and there was no inconsistency. I don't see why you were painting it as such.

About SK hunting: It was more that you seemed to be using it as a towntell. It's not.

About not liking GW's vote: Pretty much that if TM were scum wanting to know, I'd expect it to be asked in PM. Not that saying it in thread CLEARS him, but it has marginal town intent.

Your post strikes me as neutral. Vote stays for now.

@Chronopie: Your logic is terrible. Fix it.

@TM: Intriguing post ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

Your clears are ridiculously arbitrary to the point of uselessness.

What at ALL makes the players in green "look legit"? It's laziness at best, and scummy bullshitting at worst. You get to help me sort out which it is.

[UncertainKitten]

So, basically, you admit you have little to no information, but are willing to clear 2/3rds of the game with weak reasoning. Why?

[UncertainKitten]

Laziness is at the least anti town. And not very logical.

As I said, fix it.

[UncertainKitten]

Ok, seriously, activity sucks right now. POST PEOPLE! And TM, you wanna post as well, since you promised something!

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The fact TM hasn't come forward for the past three days implies things.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, you were posting a bit in Mish Mash and a couple games, but most of your activity WAS concentrated in mish mash, which would support "lotsa drinking" over this weekend. I'm still unsure of what to do with you, or why you're even being voted. It is entirely possibly I missed something but is there a case on you anywhere I can peruse?

[UncertainKitten]

I'm lost on where this lurker discussion is going. Or where the 50% is coming from. I AM getting the feeling TM is not the play though.

[UncertainKitten]

We could still lynch xvart. Isn't it convenient he hasn't said a word since the focus went on Tony?

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Lookin' forward to it xbro.

[UncertainKitten]

Yeah, I replaced in start of D2.

What's this about calling no scum? Did I miss something?

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Yeah, I don't see any upside to calling things off...

[UncertainKitten]

Xvart or Zang would be excellent hammerers. I am suddenly interested in resolving this claim :V. Through a lynch.

What's his L- count?

[UncertainKitten]

ok. Anticipating this eagerly ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

@xvart: Then you should DEFINITELY lay the hammer on GW. My role name is The Teacher, so it fits your flavor spec.

Yeaaaaaah...we definitely have a one of these is not like the other.

I think xvart should hammer GW.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, you've claimed bomb. You're effectively counterclaiming GW. Further, his claim appears to be fake. Are you worried? Further, now that you've claimed bomb, it's unlikely you'll ever get hammered by scum. So, even IF GW AND you aren't lying, it's still the most logical way to resolve the counterclaim. Do you have any reason why you SHOULDN'T hammer?

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I'm aware of the fact all roles had an equal chance. But it's rather unlikely, ne? But, it's more the I don't believe you and xvart can hammer, just in case you are telling the truth.

[UncertainKitten]

Hell, I'd be fine hammering. I'm pretty sure that GW is lying. But, that said, I'm curious why you want me to hammer instead of, say, you, xvart?

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To be fair, I've been abrasive to the point of making the game unfun as of late, so I'm trying to be a lot more chill so as to not piss people off anymore. It's an interesting insight though. I mean, you're wrong, but...I admit your thought process intrigues me ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

You are. Zang claimed...um...something, but it was one word, and I claimed teacher. And we were the only remaining unclaimed after xvart claimed.

[UncertainKitten]

Yeah, hammer, though TM bugs me at this point. There's an odd assumption we'd have a draw once xvart hammers as if he knows things.

Meh...I'm possibly overthinking.

Well, either way xvart, I think you're being paranoid but I really have no defense against meta suspicion. I mean, what am I going to say? I'm...not doing X? I mean, I'm not, but really, where does that get me? I don't think there's much I can say ^-^;.

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Actually, it's more the fact he seems to assume both you and xvart are town in that. He EBWOPs it rather fast, but that's even more interesting, actually.

[UncertainKitten]

How close are we to deadline? How long d'you think it'd take to swing the lynch to xvart? I think I'm still voting him...

[UncertainKitten]

Ugh, wish I had known that. I would have been more proactive about xvart lynch then.

[UncertainKitten]

Ok...

Unvote, Vote Ghostwriter

Back to L-1.

[UncertainKitten]

Sounds like a bad policy to punish someone for playing a given alignment well.

That said, I am town, though assurances to that effect probably don't matter to you til post game. Though on the offchance you die I suppose you can ask JDodge.

[UncertainKitten]

TM. What do you dream about?

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I'm serious though. What, in your role PM, do you dream about?

That said, your plan is probably sound.

Also, why is it impossible for there to be 0 scum? (though in that case you're still right, just wanna be thorough.)

[UncertainKitten]

Really? Is that precisely what you dream?

Because that's not what JDodge told me you dreamed.

Why are you lying?

[UncertainKitten]

I'm a flavor cop. He needs to tell me what he's dreaming before I tell him what he should be dreaming.

[UncertainKitten]

Hmm...actually, you have a point. Burden of proof is on me at this point given the situation. Even if you're scum we can't lynch you, most likely.

So, shouldn't you be dreaming about how your life could be one day?

[UncertainKitten]

@Chrono: Tony's role is "The Dreamer", so that's why his flavor would be dreaming.

I didn't really expect to get much out of it anyway, to be honest, since he trueclaimed dreamer, so why lie about the rest.

But I figured it was worth a shot. Still got bollocksed up.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, apparently I taught you all about this illusion thingy, and I know who is what, but my memories are a bit jumbled. Regardless, I dream about what people are in the illusion, but not their alignment and abilities.

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Zang, The Timekeeper, Double voter

WHAT THE HELL!?

NO WE DON'T WHO THE HELL THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA!? WE HAVE FIVE VOTES! WE CAN STILL LYNCH!!!

[UncertainKitten]

Oh, also, ani didn't check anyone. I replaced in after the start of D2. Ani was gone for the entire night. Admittedly, I should have thought to ask if I could have that action back.

[UncertainKitten]

...Oh, hey, from my perspective Chrono and Tony are auto scum, or we're actually unable to win this game since Zang and someone else has control of the majority.

So, I think we should lynch Chronopie, who has struck me as slightly scummier than TM.

[UncertainKitten]

We need a replacement for Zang if he's not going to show up and vote *someone*

[UncertainKitten]

Meh, might as well

Vote Chronopie

[UncertainKitten]

Though, TM, I'm curious why you think me scum.

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Why would you do that Zang? That means Chrono can hammer me now if he's scum. And if Tony is scum he can hammer Chrono. You've basically GUARANTEED scum can hammer. Unless I am sole scum.

Unvote Chronopie

That at least means only Chronopie gets a free hammer until you unvote.

[UncertainKitten]

How do you figure that Zang? You'd be outvoted assuming two scum. So it'd at least be a tie for scum.

[UncertainKitten]

Why would you assume that? It's possible they are no killing to trick us, but I dunno.

[UncertainKitten]

But we know that you probably didn't fakeclaim, Chrono. Or Zang. There's seriously no reason to fakeclaim.

But, whatever.

[UncertainKitten]

So does that mean town won?

So, it was an all town game. Again. Didn't you do that before?

[UncertainKitten]

You're probably right Hero. JDodge doesn't seem to like running normal games.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh wow. Probability really likes having fun with people.