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[scotmany12]

Vote: Flava Flave

Oh, and

Vote: Karen

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Hey, i've been prodded. What's up?

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Hi. I'm high. Let's kill panzer.

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Posting to avoid prod. Will get some stuff up tomorrow.

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I was prodded. Anyone want me to discuss anything specific?

Hi. Why do we need to tell you what to discuss? You should take initiative.

vote: Vezok

Are you even paying attention to the game? Panzer already made a point about the double voting comment, and now you voted for Valerie who was replaced. Also, what's the reasoning for your vote?

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@scotmany

Vaguely.

I didn't mention anything about double voting

. Vezok is scum. Or was, whatever.

Uhh...yeah you did.

Is Flav a doublevoter? Is that why people are voting him?

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Oh, so I did. I'm kinda playing this game by ear, not really committing anything to memory. If vezok has been replaced, maybe the mod should remove him from the first post.

So you're not even reading the game? The mod made a post saying UK replaced in, then UK began contributing right away. I find it very unlikely for someone to not realize that replacement unless they weren't reading the game at all. Or they are just lying about not realizing there was a replacement.

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Oman
UltimaAvalon
UncertainKitten
GhostWriter

UncertainKitteh, as I have insisted these long, arduous days, is scum. Execution please. I suppose my second would be Oman. He's posted frequently, but his posts have no substance (hypocrisy oh my!)

And you still have not given any reason at all for wanting UncertainKitten lynched.

As for your group of four, JD, ghostwriter is probably the best lynch. He hasn't done anything to help the town, and instead of scumhunting he decides to get unto an argument with you. I think you should also take a look at Flava Flave. Mostly gut, but I don't like how he needs someone to tell him what to discuss.

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Not sure where to start hunting. JDodge, why do you think scot is scum? A quick ISO of his posts shows that he reading the game and keeping up with the events, but only seemed to post when I was incorrect about something. This shows active lurking to me.

I don't think he's even reading tbh. He's scum

or

useless.

I've been reading. Sorry but last week was really hectic for me. I was literally about to answer your question yesterday but you had executed oman before I could get to it. MBF literally said yesterday that he was only vaguely reading and not really paying attention yet you said nothing about that.

Why have neither of you commented on UA's self vote?

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Why have neither of you commented on UA's self vote?

Do you think it's worth commenting on?

I do. Besides his little scuffle with flavor flave at the beginning of day 1 (which went nowhere), UA has shown little to no interest at all in finding scum. He would rather vote himself rather than actively look for scum. He did it during the end of the day yesterday, and is doing it now.

Scot who do you want to vote right now?

UA, MBF, or Flava Flave.

JDodge knows me. I'm kind of a big deal.

JD knows me too. Don't see the point of this post.

Then he seems to be proposing a policy execution and continues with the joking tone with "you or me or somebody else".

Heaven forbit I joke around during the RV phase.

Next is the awful double voter comment. Then he admits to being scummy, calls Day 1 "boring" which gives him an excuse to do nothing, and sets himself up for a bad fakeclaim later.

I will admit that my play was bad, but that doesn't mean that I'm scum.

It doesn't mean you are town either. You're play was bad, and it was also scummy and detrimental to the town.

Not sure where to start hunting. JDodge, why do you think scot is scum? A quick ISO of his posts shows that he reading the game and keeping up with the events, but only seemed to post when I was incorrect about something. This shows active lurking to me.

Really don't like the "not sure" when there are 10 pages of posts to digest. Then going to JDodge for help with reads. Why?

As I said earlier, most things stem from Vezok, and he's a blight on games because everybody wants him dead.. And I'm talking to JDodge because I wanted to know why he voted Scot. Dur.

How exactly does everything stem from Vezok? There are currently eight other people that are neither dead, missing, or named MBF. Pretty sure stuff surrounding all of them don't stem from Vezok.

Flava Flave's case, as well as MBF's response to said case, are both poor.

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Why have neither of you commented on UA's self vote?

Do you think it's worth commenting on?

I do. Besides his little scuffle with flavor flave at the beginning of day 1 (which went nowhere), UA has shown little to no interest at all in finding scum. He would rather vote himself rather than actively look for scum. He did it during the end of the day yesterday, and is doing it now.

Do you really believe this, Scot?

Yes, I do. I don't think you are even concerned with finding scum.

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EBWOP: Forgot to paste this

I disagree. I think my defensive was fine, and the only things that would signify me being scum are my "rolefishing" if you want to call it that, and my lurker-ness,

which has always been a null tell.

Self-metas suck

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Regardless, trying to say that my lurking is a scum-tell is a deeply flawed argument.

I never said it was. I read your post as you saying that lurking has always been a null tell for you, rather than you simply saying lurking is a null tell in general. I dislike when players use their own meta's as it involves wifom. However, if you were just saying that lurking is a nulltell, then this is irrelevent.

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I'll respond to you later tonight spring. I was going to after class today but now have to cover for someone at work

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Scot, why aren't you voting then?

To respond to this, I simply wasn't ready to vote. I hadn't decided between the main three people I was considering today.

I want MBF to start explaining why FF's attacks on him are terrible, rather than just calling them terrible.

Has no ground to stand on when accusing others of "Not Scumhunting During

Day 1

King Day"

I think it is clear that I am scumhunting now, something that you are not doing. When the votes actually mean something, you decide to vote for yourself, rather than hunt for scum.

Vote: UltimaAvalon

I'm not about to let someone live who has no intention of hunting scum, and who votes himself right at the start of the day. UA has no intention on helping the town.

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And you killed who last night?

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The irony of the whole thing is YOU'RE NOT SCUMHUNTING. You're going after the easy lynch, and you would've never voted me if JD hadn't first.

Actually, no. I was going to vote you in my next post regardless. Just because JD posted before me doesn't mean he influenced my decision. If I wanted to go after an easy lynch, I would be voting mbf right now.

I'm clearly scumhunting. Whether you think it is bad scumhunting or contrived scumhunting is another thing. But you can't look at the past two to three pages and say I'm not scumhunting.

I want MBF to start explaining why FF's attacks on him are terrible, rather than just calling them terrible.

Post 244. Reading is tech.

And he has since responded to your said response, and your response was "your attacks are terrible!"

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Sorry for the triple post

vote: Scotmany

A bit OMGUSy, I admit, but if I'm not voting then I'm not helping, and both Scot and Flave are pushing a terrible case on me.

How exactly am I pushing a case on you? Chaz and Flave are the ones doing that. Me asking you questions and commenting on some of your cases is me pushing a case?

Shanbaaaa, post more You too, ghostwriter.

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EBWOP

vote: Scotmany

A bit OMGUSy, I admit, but if I'm not voting then I'm not helping, and both Scot and Flave are pushing a terrible case on me.

How exactly am I pushing a case on you? Chaz and Flave are the ones doing that. Me asking you questions and commenting on some of your

posts

is me pushing a case?

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Question to all - who supports any of the following wagons:

- scotmany12
- UltimaAvalon
- Porochaz
- mikeburnfire

And what have they done to deserve that? I am going to dodge the second half of the question while indicating my hefty, hefty preference towards scot and UA.

I obviously don't support a wagon on myself and don't support one on Chaz either. I prefered UA over MBF, and believe I made it clear why I suspect both of them. MBF's claim, however, kinda rattled things, and would like him to claim his target before going into this more. Assuming he is serious about that claim.

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Nope. I don't think it is a joke at all.

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Because I assume he is being serious about that claim.

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THREE FOR THREE BITCHEZZZ

What?

You need to start explaining your votes JD.

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My lynch list: Scot for being mild.

What does this even mean?

JD, it didn't dawn on me until now, but I was the reason you were dateraped. I was allowed to jailkeep someone last night and I chose you.

I have two votes on me chaz, as MBF is no longer alive.

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It's a HEY I HAVE DATERAPE DRUGS thing. Someone gave me a package. I chose you because I thought you would be the one to most likely be targeted by scum if you were town.

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I wasn't certain you were town. It served both purposes.

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Dont know. It was mainly to protect you, but yeah, I should have stated that I wasn't sure you were town and it served its roleblocker purpose too. I'm not trying to keep information from you.

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It wasn't an obvious joke. He posted it in a way that he could have gone back and said it was either serious or a joke. And really, I'm surprised you can't figure out why I was concerned with that post.

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If I wasn't the NK-immune miller vig, who target MBF last night, and was confused at why he was still alive, then maybe I would have seen it as an obvious joke. But since he claimed a role very similar to mine, and I was conflicted as while it would have explained why he didn't die, I don't see there being two NK-immune vigs in the game, just maybe I was concerned about his claim rather than realizing it was an obvious joke.

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Double post due to phone. I'm still ok to see the Scot lynch through though, due to woobly early claim.

Would you rather me claim a day or so before deadline, leaving the town with hardly any time to come to a consensus? This was the best time I could have claimed, seeing as how we only have a week till deadline.

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also: scot, flavor

I'm Nikola Tesla. I use electricity to kill people instead of using it to power my toaster. People don't like me using all the electricity though. It's possible that MBF did die in the middle of the day due to me, but my role pm says nothing about my kill being delayed.

Err, when exactly did Scot claim vig? I thought he claimed one shot jailkeep, and that whole thing about Nk miller vig was a nonsensical justification for not believing MBF?

No...that was me claiming my role. I claimed earlier that I received a package last night and it allowed me to jailkeep someone last night.

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I thought you were a regular vig, not a dayvig...

I never said anything about a dayvig. I said my kill on mbf might have been delayed, which is why he died in the middle of the day.

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I thought you were a regular vig, not a dayvig...

I never said anything about a dayvig. I said my kill on mbf might have been delayed, which is why he died in the middle of the day.

Do you have any flavor to assume your kill would be delayed?

Not really, no. Nothing in my role pm says anything about my kill being delayed, flavor included.

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1. No mention of suspicions on MBF on day 1, plus generally scummy behavior.

It's pretty obvious from my posts on day one that I was suspicious of MBF. You still have not explained how any of my behavior is scummy. The only thing you have said was that I was being mild.

2. MBF was a tough guy, probably survived the kill.

How does this make me scum?

3. Obvious scummy target, as scot did not get rid the town of useless player like UA or even Por, but fell for MBF's kill baiting.

How was MBF not a useless player?

Also Scot, name your scumlist.

Scumlists are generally bad for the town, as it is not beneficial for scum to know everyone's reads. I'm still suspicious of UA, and I'm suspicious of you spring. You have yet to explain why you think I'm scum until your previous post, points 1 and 3 are just wrong, as I was suspicious of MBF, and MBF was a useless player. And point 2 has nothing at all to do with my alignment.. And your original vote on me was horrible, only stating that I was being "mild"

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Typo. It's beneficial for the scum to know everyone's reads. I'm against scumlists.

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I said why I found you scummy on day 1 already. Go verify. As to you finding MBF scummy I remember you favoring a GW lynch. And out of all the useless player MBF was not the worse, and I just don't see a town aligned vig targetting a soft claim day 1. Beside that what do you find scummy about me?

I wasn't going to ask jd to kill mbf when he specifically said he would not be killing him, along with panzer, you, and shanba.

UA would have been a good night kill, but I chose MBF, who I found even worse. Him saying his flavor doesn't fit his role isn't going to stop me from killing him. And I wasn't going to kill chaz, as he is a better player and could be more helpful to the town than mbf.

But I d look at scomanty at this time, the only post that looked like an opinion of sort from him was a post in which he states that he was high.

I hadn't seen this before. I apologize for that. But do you still believe this to be true? You still don't think I'm giving opinions?

And I don't think you really believe me to be scum. I think you were trying to go after an easy lynch, and now that I claimed vig, you want me gone even more.

Typo. It's beneficial for the scum to know everyone's reads. I'm against scumlists.

And it's harmful to the town to withhold information unnecessarily, so cough up your suspicions before we have to beat them out of you.

I just said I found UA and Spring to be suspicious. Literally one post before you pointed out my typo. You even quoted it. Though I enjoy the fact that you say this, despite you never explaining any of your votes.

Last post was adressed at Scot. Re:scumlist; lol Scot, you say that you are against scumlist, yet you state yours (UA and I apparently) in the very same post? Yeah, scum.

My definition of scumlist is listing every read you have on every player. I'm not going to do that. Obviously, I'm not going to keep all of my suspicions hidden. I'd be hurting the town if I did that.

BTW, when I stated that MBF was a tough guy, it wasn't a motive of suspicion, but me explaining myself the most likely reason why he survived the night despite you claiming that you targetted him.

Then why did you put it between 1 and 3, which were points directed against me? Why did you put if after "Scot is still totally scum:"?

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And I actually went back and read the last few pages properly. Scot wow. The brittany spears thing was super obv a joke, and the fact that he claimed your role should have made that obvious. Plus, the way he claimed looked like an attempt to wriggle away from suspicion rather than something genuine.

Oh, and scot? You were able to make two actions last night?

Yes, I know. It was very stupid of me to think it was real. I saw his post and asked who he killed without even thinking about it.

Yes, I was able to do two actions. Someone gave me a package last night, and it allowed me to jailkeep someone in addition to my normal action.

I still think we should lynch UA. He hasn't posted since Sunday, despite saying he might read after he ate dinner on that day.

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You haven't even made a case for me beyond lurking and a point that I clarified above.

Haven't you heard? JD isn't explaining any of his votes out of necessity!

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Why panzer over spring, chaz?

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It has nothing to do with him not realizing it's a joke. It has to do with the following:

A) He saw MBF claim his role,

B) He did not counter-claim, which does not fit with him thinking it was "completely serious", which means his claim has little-to-no-meaning,

At the time, I wasn't going to claim right away. I didn't rule it out that there could be to NK-immune vigs. In any other game I would laugh at that suggestion, but when bbm said it might be a complex setup in the queue, I wasn't going to rule anything out. Which is why I wanted to know who he killed, cause him targeting either me or jd would explain the lack of kills from either of us. So, go on and call me an idiot for this explanation, cause that accomplishes stuff.

C) His responses are shit,

D) He hasn't done anything.

How are my responses shit? And I have been far more active then I was during day one, and don't think its fair to say I haven't done anything.

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EBWOP: How are my responses shit? And how does that make me scum?

I don't know why people are letting UA survive. I don't believe that he can only vote himself due to his role, and even if its true, it doesn't make him town. He is coasting right now, and isn't actively scumhunting.

At least panzer is voting for someone who he thinks is scum. Myk is in the same boat as UA right now, and if he doesn't start posting soon he should die too.

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JD: Stop putting words in my mouth. Me saying I didn't rule something out doesn't mean it is the most likely solution. I simply wasn't going to jump to conclusions and counterclaim him right away. Did I overanalyze the shit out of the entire situation? Of course. Believe it or not, people do that sometimes. Not everyone is perfect like you.

I think I did more than just defend myself, especially during the beginning of today.

Its looking more like I will be lynched. If that happens, I want everyone to look at spring. I think she is the most likely to be scum out of those who have pushed for my lynched. She seems like the one looking for an opportunistic lynch on me. I'm very surprised JD is voting for me, as he can usually read me very well, but he is a blur right now. I don't really know how he plays as scum, and I can never read him. I think panzer is sincere in thinking that I'm an sk.

I say it conflicts due to the fact that the way you describe the self-voting the first time doesn't make it feel like something you did because it's the only kind of voting you can do. It felt like more of a "did it for the shock value" type of thing. That's just my take on it.

Day one our votes didn't count towards lynching someone. He voted Flava Flave day one, so if he can only vote himself, then it didn't apply during day one.

But even if he can only vote himself, it doesn't make him town. UA isn't even making an effort to find scum. He's sitting back, playing minecraft and coasting through the entire game. He's not helping the town; he doesn't want to help the town.

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It's not just that you're jumping to conclusions, it's that you decided not to on the basis of

the single most asinine, twisted conclusion you could possibly come to, one that makes no sense in anything other than a setup assembled by a bunch of braindead monkeys on a bad acid trip with a typewriter with a broken "n" key

.

As I said, sometimes people make mistakes. I find it odd that you think I would counterclaim right away rather than have all the information. If you found it so odd, why did you unvote me at first?

If you couldn't vote for anyone but yourself, thus making you useless as anything other than a brain, wouldn't you rather play minecraft than take a front seat?

If I was town with that role, I would claim with my first post, and attempt to find scum, and use my one vote to the best of my ability to beat scum. If I was a survivor, I would still claim, though UA's current play makes sense as a survivor.

Unvote; UA, Vote: Mykonian

Don't care if this is going to look like omgus. I already explained that my low activity during day one was due to my personal situation, and I don't see how I was pandering up to jd at all. Was it me voting for karen like anyone else? Was it me going after mbf even though JD said he wouldn't lynch him? Or was it me answering his question that he posed to everyone, and a majority of the people answered?

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Question to everyone: would you say JD is trying to get shanba and others to now policy lynch me for being "functionally retarded?"

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Also, if I'm not lynched, I'm not going to have you guys direct my nightkills. First, we don't know if the scum have the ability to protect or roleblock, and if they do, then it would open up a lot of wifom if my nightkill was blocked. And second, if I were to disagree with your choices, I wouldn't listen to them.

Well, barring further changes I'll move to scot pre-deadline.

Scot: It actually reminds me more of the sort of thing people used to say when someone was making some funky plays: "you're either dumb or you're scum and either way town's better off with you dead." It's policy lynchish, but it has more than a small seasoning of "what you're doing is scummy, and the only way you could think that way as town is that you're stupid."

In other words, there's an element of policy lynch but a large component of scumminess mixed in.

I asked because JD wrote an entire essay in MD on why policy lynching is bad. Yes, he thinks I'm scummy, but he reverted to policy reasons in trying to convince you to lynch me. It's at least something to think about after you lynch me.