Mini 1055 - Return to PEGBAM (Closing Time!)

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Sorry, didn't have this on my list and overlooked it like an idiot. Will have it on there now. At work at the moment, so I won't say more than this for now.

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It's probably hard to keep up with all the votes. Especially since it's hard to care about them when they lose meaning after repeated abuse.

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I don't see it, JDodge.

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Sounds like what? It was a 4 word one liner followed by a vote.

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Who?

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Hidden votes?

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Look at the votecount.

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Depends. Were those all the people that were being voted in the demonstration? I can't easily look back right now due to being on a phone.

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Depends. Were those all the people that were being voted in the demonstration? I can't easily look back right now due to being on a phone.

The answer to the question is "yes" or "no" not "depends blah blah blah blah blah". I would appreciate one of the actual ones.

You asked an "either or" question, which cannot be answered through a "yes or no" means. And I gave you an actual answer.

If the people that were voted with no name voting them had not been the people voted in the demonstration, then I would have thought that the hidden voter was more likely, because the game is admittedly complex, and was admitted as such by the mod himself. Therefore, I have various ideas about what could possibly happen to make it complex, which I will keep to myself, because I'm not doing setup speculation on that level right now. With one of those ideas, hidden votes fit in.

If the people that were voted with no name voting them were the people voted in the demonstration, then I would have known it was just a mod error. However, I couldn't get to the post where the votes happened to check at the time, so I asked.

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The problem is that I did, indeed, answer it. Is the problem that I didn't answer it with a simple answer? I didn't have a simple answer. I didn't have a simple train of thought on the subject, so it led to a non simple answer.

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Quick question, how common is scum kingmaker? Not the king itself, but the N0 kingmaker?

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Was for me, or else I couldn't pick a king. He called it night 0 and clarified it as being "right now" before the game day was started.

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I don't repick each night, however it does only last one day. Either JD picks someone else, or it simply stops after one day, which would be weird.

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I answered your question. If you didn't like the answer, that's on you. That's the last time I pick king at random.

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And I've told you your question cannot be answered as such, and even if the phrasing of it had been different, it still couldn't be answered that way, because when I made my original statement inquiring about hidden roles, I hadn't taken into account a mod mistake. And having taken into account the possibility, I'd have needed to know whether or not the votes were from the demonstration of multiple votes. Your unwillingness to listen to anyone you either scum or completely useless to the town.

Luckily, outside of the one-shot kingmaker thing I have no abilities, so at least no one with a decent ability dies.

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Your power doesn't make you automatically the only thing that matters. I know that better than anyone else, because I know it only lasts one day. After that, you lose it. Probably explains why you didn't want to talk about it earlier in the game; you wanted people thinking it possibly lasted longer.

Not listening to people that are likely scum? Based on what read? Pure stubbornness and a dislike of people who have a backbone? How odd we both ended up being primary suspects. That's totally not related to the fact that we don't bow to you. You can put whoever you want on your non-execution list, doesn't make them town. Suggesting scum is suggesting scum, regardless of your inability to listen. Seems to me like tunnel-vision on the wrong person is useless.

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Never said answering questions about your role was odd. However, that isn't your role. You have another role altogether outside of today's king role. That one, fine, I can understand not talking about. However, the king role information could have been told at no expense to you. But you didn't.

I do not give a damn about stroking your ego. I'm not going to sacrifice my play for you. Play I haven't even been able to make. I can't count insta-agreeing with you as scummy, because it could be out of fear and self-preservation as a townie or it could be out of willingness to go along for the ride as scum. I can't get reads on people because half the players are sitting back and letting today just go by either because they feel they have no control or because they are scum and don't feel the need to do anything when you can just do it for them. It's not a game of scumhunting right now. The chances of us hitting scum were obliterated the moment you went on your personal feelings and disregarded things people said if they went against what you wanted. It's simply a game of "hide by kissing ass". No wonder I can't see you as anything but scum when you've effectively blocked any other possibilities from my sight.

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Cool. JDodge, is this your role, or is it the work of outside forces?

This is the question. Saying it was outside forces would have been fine.

And as for self-preservation in this particular game: it's town if they're a PR trying to last long enough to do some good. It's town if they see you as being irrational and likely to kill town just as quickly as mafia on a whim.

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I want an awful lot more from panzer today.

Fail. Panzer is not here.

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I don't repick each night, however it does only last one day. Either JD picks someone else, or it simply stops after one day, which would be weird.

I answered about the King thing. I was only told that my choice would last one day. And only one day. I wasn't told if they could pass it on or if it simply stopped. Guess it stopped. Which is, as I said before, weird. But we were told that the setup would be complicated. Going to go do some rereading and isos, but not really expecting to find much in the rubble of yesterday.

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So, just got my own internet for the first time in... Actually, I'm not sure how long I've been taking wireless from other people. And before that it was strictly libraries... Point is that now I have regular access to the internet. Been watching from my phone during breaks at work, so I'm relatively up to speed. Based on what I've read from my phone, I want to state that Scot, you may as well let it go. It was obvious that was a joke. You are either not very bright for missing it or you have a horrid sense of humor. Or you're scum. I don't know which is worse. For the record, though, I just made another joke, do not take it personal.

Planning to reread to see what you all are seeing against FF.

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I thought you were a regular vig, not a dayvig...

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This game is weird...

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Actually, looking back at the way he died, I don't think you did it.

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Kind of waiting for Flava to get here. I want to know what he thinks about what's gone on here without him. And what he thinks about his present situation.

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So... Does Flava's replacement feel like posting yet? Don't care, do it anyway. We're on a tight schedule, you see, and if you attempt to sail your way past the deadline without saying anything, I will push for your lynch before the day is over with.

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Valid point from Scot's previous post: UA, regardless of only being able to self-vote, you're going to need to do a little scumhunting. Especially after something like this like this:

The irony of the whole thing is YOU'RE NOT SCUMHUNTING.

Also, the following creates a problem for me:

The events of Day 1, As they pertain to UA:
Found FF scummy. Pursued. King Dodge didn't care. Backed off
Got into a minor argument with UK. (Turned out to be more worthless that FF's, but whatever floats your boat Scot.)Felt she was wrong but Town. She wouldn't back down.

Self-voted to end argument

Analysis: Subject began day with minor leads, but quickly gave up when he realized he'd be unable to convince the one person who mattered. Cruised for the rest of the day.

The bolded is the problem. It conflicts with this:

UA, I'm going to give you 48 to do something else than self-voting

I can't

I say it conflicts due to the fact that the way you describe the self-voting the first time doesn't make it feel like something you did because it's the only kind of voting you can do. It felt like more of a "did it for the shock value" type of thing. That's just my take on it.

Preview Edit: It's no empty threat. I don't see something at a reasonable time tomorrow/technically later today, then I'm pushing for a lynch of the Flava/Myk slot.

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I do not have such background meta info, and will keep my train of thought the way it is, so that all bases are covered and no one slips by. UA isn't my current focus anyway. I mainly want UA to start hunting. I just also pointed out something I found a bit odd in the tone of the two posts.

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I say Myk dies and that we hereby force Scot to kill who we want and no one else. If, later on, we feel there are no more mafia, we lynch him on suspicion of being an SK.

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Myk, I have played at least one game through to completion with JDodge, Ani, MBF, Oman, Panzer, Poro, SL, and I think even Shanba in the past, before I took an extensive leave from the site. I've played with Vezo more recently, and I think I'm in at least one ongoing game with UA. That's half off the top of my head, half helped from the archives. I chose JDodge because I knew him to be a good player. Didn't remember him playing like this, nor did I/have I checked it against previous games with him. At the time, I was choosing between him and MBF.

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H B

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Cay has tits, you guys need to lay off.

Coincidentally, Cay, tits or gtfo.