Mini 1041: Wheel of Fortune Mafia (Game over!)

[Tazaro]

Indulge me, I need to read for a while. But from this page, I may already get some suspicion that either Xite or curiouskarmadog could be mafia.

[Tazaro]

@xite, charlie, says when and if you flip town, ie it reads as if he knows you are town.

vote Pieman

pushing a bad wagon, the dude says "IF"...meaning uncertianity in the alignment....you are not scum hunting but pushing crap to see who will buy it....

Let's look at the Pieman bandwagon. Well, there's two good customers on it: Curiouskarmadog reads as town. Reckamonic reads as town. The guy called Pieman is being defended too much by Xite in post 172 (you're next on the lynch list as far as I'm concerned, Xite), and Pieman was weaksauce attacking Charlie for the when and if thing.

Vote: Pieman

[Tazaro]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tasky

Wont even state why hes voting.

Wut?

[Tazaro]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tasky

Wont even state why hes voting.

Wut?

Oh, TASKY won't even state why he's voting. Use nouns when you use verbs, please, Pieman.

[Tazaro]

Xite's a girl? This question is based on "honey."
It's kind of hard not to set up lynches when part of one's case involves one player being a defender of someone else whom you placed a vote on. i really think someone who played in the way that Pieman has should be left to fend for themselves, and it's on my watch list when players like Pieman are assisted by someone. Pieman needs no defense from death; we need to get information from his death. I want a post-mortem analysis from a cadaver.

[Tazaro]

At best, I hope the info we get from the Pieman lynch is You've lynched Scum.
@Xite: I also noticed karmadog's post that you called fencesitting. Hmm, I won't triple post. Good for me.

[Tazaro]

It's scummy because "if and when" makes it sound like charlie thinks I'm town, but he just said I was anti-town (which pieman probably took as scum, but with charlie I know better )

Hmm. I overreacted to your defense of Pieman. While I was reading this within a post of yours, my mind clicked and as a result just made Pieman's interpretation of the if and when thing understandable and more sensible.
Pieman is indeed a person who would make the mistake of thinking anti-town could mean scum; this is correct since I have seen from searching his posts via his profile that his game in one of StrangerCoug's completed theme games that ended not too long ago was his very first game.
I look at Pieman's game play and I believe I can attribute it to being not so experienced; As you may guess, this is my cue to unvote, and I believe my next course of action could be to examine the aspects of brianj bandwagon.

Unvote

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[Tazaro]

@tazaro So your saying that most of why I come off as scum to people, in past games, is that Im voting for people who are being anti-town, not scummy?

I don't believe I've said that. The thing is, if you are a less experienced player, it's more difficult to avoid inadvertent scummy-seeming behavior.

[Tazaro]

Must... vote... for someone. But WHO??

[Tazaro]

Ok First thing, the post reads to me,
BUT If and when you flip town I nominate you as VI.

If you are killed, and when you flip town

And about the inadvertently scummy point I've made. THIS is what was inadvertently suspicious about you Pieman.

[Tazaro]

Guessing game? Since when is this a method of scumhunting?

[Tazaro]

Here's how to scumhunt: Wagon on Tasky for scummy unjustified vote!

Vote: Tasky

[Tazaro]

It's what he does?

Unvote

[Tazaro]

The theory box is too wonderful to be scum-created.

[Tazaro]

why do I feel like that theory box is a blatant lie?

Theory box is obv credible.

Vote: Xite

[Tazaro]

theory box

when confronted with a question where you don't know the "right" answer, a townie will just answer truthfully and say their honest opinion.
a scumbag on the other side, will fear to say something wrong and will have a hard time to decide on a useful guess.
in fact, a mafioso has to be really balanced between saying pro-town things which would then lead to his incrimination (since the original question was to spot scummy things on himself) and disguising the own scumtells. finding a good balance is extremely hard when you know about all the wrong things you did, since you never know whether the other players have already found it (in which case it would be better to say) or not (in which case it would be better to hide it)
playing guessing games is not much about the content of the guess, it's more about the overall reaction.
I think this is one of the few advantages there are in online-mafia over real-life: that you can ask people about their own behavior in a serious way (since even forgotten things can sometimes be found again by a scumhunter who rereads the thread, the balance I described above is much harder to find)

This is either a sincere theory box or an impossibly good ad-lib. I fancy the former is true.

[Tazaro]

Xite, do you have a theory box for the theory of Tasky-scum ?

[Tazaro]

why did I get the feeling that it's going to be quite a task for people to agree with a consensus on a lynch?

[Tazaro]

ebwop: the word did should actually have been the word do.

[Tazaro]

My thinking is that if it's credible, then a person (Xite) who attacks said credible thing consequently loses town cred.

[Tazaro]

that has to do with me questioning a tactic that a player believes in but doesn't use every time he blatant wagons (his vote on me wasn't a blatant wagon, as stated above, but this isn't the first time I've seen it, like I said, here are games he's done it that are completed, this one he asked and said it was a new technique, but read the last url, he didn't here, and he didn't ask why here. this one is the most important to make my point though.)
There's my defense of asking tasky what was going on

I see what you mean now, and this shows you didn't extract your assertion of your unbelief out of thin air...

Unvote

[Tazaro]

yabbaguy, I unvoted Xite. I was wrong, and I can retract my vote because of it (which people should do more often in mafia)

[Tazaro]

Did I miss something? What in Omans post ^ supports the Tasky-scum possibility? Jerk and spam don't.

[Tazaro]

Is it okay if I skim textwalls?

[Tazaro]

Pieman is a bit of a suspicious person who is slinking through the game without having a vote on someone.
Pieman, please vote.

Vote: Pieman

[Tazaro]

Xite's #291. Holy sh*t.

[Tazaro]

I'm very attracted to hammering. Seriously. Claim, Xite; and as Tasky said, it better be an awesome claim or ===[] (from me) will occur, and I can get kicks from holding a ===[] which looks so sexy.

[Tazaro]

Double post: I have found myself being attracted to hammering people. Mafia games affect me.

[Tazaro]

We need to move on with a lynch.

Vote: Xite91

[Tazaro]

Ah, the rules.

UNVOTE

VOTE: Xite91

[Tazaro]

Vote: Pieman

He still IS scum =_=

Vote: Pieman

He could be

[Tazaro]

Man, the vibes I'm getting from Professor Guppy; he inexplicably pings my scumdar...
[b}Unvote[/b]

Vote: Professor Guppy

[Tazaro]

Oops, ebwop:
blah blah blah

Unvote

VOTE: Professor Guppy

[Tazaro]

I voted for Tasky BEFORE his points after the fact. What was inaccurate? I voted for Pieman when he wasn't voting, and he seems to not know what he's doing as much as others.

[Tazaro]

If I had to choose between yabba and guppy at this point, I would say guppy.

Vote: Prof. Guppy

Is yabbaguy acting like his town self in this game?

[Tazaro]

You sound pretty certain of Gubby's being town, yabbaguy.

[Tazaro]

Tazaro:
1. why do you think yabbaguy is voting you?
2. do you think what you pointed out in this post is a scumtell?
3. why did you hammer Xite?
4. assume you were someone else (town aligned). would you be suspicious about Tazaro's hammering?

1. He is voting for someone who can be looked at suspicious (which is due to my bad play). I know I always use that excuse.
2. I was insinuating that being certain of someone's townness is possible only for scum.
3. To move the game along.
4. Hammering can be quite suspicious. Moving the game along maybe not so much.

[Tazaro]

Vote Pieman

What I really want to see here is two competing wagons, one at L-1, one at L-2 and see who is willing to do the pieman lynch that has been talking about the last few days. This also give the Guppy people a chance to explain why he is scummy. So far the biggest thing I've seen is "A town dude FoSed him before he was lynched".

We're doing this Pieman vote with interesting timing, aren't we?; Are we saying "competing wagons" to veil an scummy intention of getting on another wagon in case it can possibly receive a hammer?

FoS: Oman

[Tazaro]

If I unvote

Unvote: Prof Guppy

Is that a scumtell?
I think I'll vote for someone else.

Vote: yabbaguy

. Ye VI mislynch-advocate.

[Tazaro]

Why is he okay with being on one of those wagons if he thinks it could be lylo!?

Assuming you want this answered: Wagons build information. I would never say I have no intention for a lynch right now because that devalues pressure (like I just did!).

Pressure thereby devalued.
Where's Pieman?

[Tazaro]

I'mma be busy today.

[Tazaro]

Damn it, why did I let yabbaguy get me distracted from Prof. Guppy?

Unvote: yabbaguy

Vote: Prof. Guppy

It's interesting to note that this is L-1.

[Tazaro]

Pshaw, fixating much attention on details from the ISO of Prof. Guppy and appropiating logic to those details is too analytical; the key to guessing Prof. Guppy as scum was to use GUT. yabbaguy, why tell us you're confused? It doesn't give you something to boast about. I have to sit down and ponder...
And I sense that There's still seemingly a long game ahead of us.

[Tazaro]

Pshaw, fixating much attention on details from the ISO of Prof. Guppy and appropiating logic to those details is too analytical; the key to guessing Prof. Guppy as scum was to use GUT. yabbaguy, why tell us you're confused? It doesn't give you something to boast about. I have to sit down and ponder...
And I sense that There's still seemingly a long game ahead of us.

I sense that we're a slow paced group.

[Tazaro]

I so totally gut-voted him

Moi aussi.

[Tazaro]

Theory Box

If you want to ask a lot of questions to a lot of people, you have to ask different questions on different things. You additionally have to ask more and less relevant questions. This is because by doing that, you won't harm a townie's reasoning, he is just going to answer honestly to all questions anyway (well, it will cost them some minutes longer, but hey, they did sign up for this game after all). On the other side, scum won't know exactly which questions I really consider relevant, and especially they won't know what I "want to hear". That way it get's more difficult for a scumbag to calibrate his answer between hiding his scummness and being truthful. Additionally, if I tell the people I am asking a question, why I am asking, a lot of the effect of the question is gone. But, those "what do you think I think" - questions are not useless at all. They are weird, yes, but not useless. I once wrote a theory box about that type of question. You'll find it here.

Yay, theory box makes a comeback.

[Tazaro]

So you are saying the scum took a fifty-fifty shot at killing Pat Sajak because he was a PR. That may indicate that they are willing to try that again tonight.

[Tazaro]

Yep, I don't bus.

[Tazaro]

Point of interest:

Damn it, why did I let yabbaguy get me distracted from Prof. Guppy?

Unvote: yabbaguy

Vote: Prof. Guppy

It's interesting to note that this is L-1.

My thought is it's a poor bus with feigned emotion.

I wasn't being emotional, and how can you know whether it's a bus without knowing whether I am scum?

[Tazaro]

Who are we lynching today?

Looks like Oman's the flavor du jour.

[Tazaro]

Hmm... and somehow I never voted Oman. Though, the FoS on him counts as me being in the right direction.

[Tazaro]

When I flip town in the possible event of my death, lynch Reckamonic or CSL.

[Tazaro]

Voting for me is fine with me. Just vote either CSL or Reckamonic afterwards. yabbaguy's probably town?

[Tazaro]

Ugh. Now I get to be in 0 games for a while. I've been so behind on this game from the get-go with everything else I'm in.

Sorry Taz and Pie.

This post makes me think yabbaguy is town.
At least one of Reckamonic and CSL is being opportunistic by voting for me.

[Tazaro]

@Taz its a little wifomy to look at it that way, but I can see the possible sincerity.

Could you go into more detail on their opportunism, also you didnt vote OMAN, why not?

What's not opportunistic about setting me up as a fall guy and hoping others will follow suit. I did not vote for Oman because I did not have a way to justify it other than gut that was even less than the gut I had for PRof Guppy.

[Tazaro]

Ugh. Now I get to be in 0 games for a while.

You... faked this? I thought this was your giving a genuine response to the false Oman last-scum misconception.