Mini 1000: The Brave and the Beautiful (Game Over)

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EBWOP: knows of her

best

through that franchise.

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If either bv or Kdub claims something tomorrow that would've cleared something from today up, I will be EXTREMELY cross.

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I agree with bv, provided that the replacement has time to do his/her thing, etc.

/drunkpost

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@ SSBF -- Did you miss my posts establishing that Kast's slot cannot be scum (except SK)? Do you dispute my argument?

A lot of your feelings about Furco seem to be based on stuff that I consider to be par-for-the-course Furco. Have you played with Furco before?

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I'm down to lynching MoI or Furc, of whom at least one is definitely town because of my protection or hiding.

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Did Furc claim he got "hunting for items" flavor N1?

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@ MoI -- You're an ability blocker and thief regardless of your alignment. If you're making an argument from improbable complexity, it applies regardless of whom I believe.

I should probably disclose that the Mod indicated that my role was one of the more complex ones in the game via pre-game banter, so I have an idea of the ceiling on role complexity (but I'm not at all a normal JOAT). MoI's role (either of them) is approaching that threshold, but hasn't really crossed it.

MoI, I wish you'd drop the "scum are getting me" thing. Kast is not scum. He's also very unlikely to be SK based on his play; he's pushing for specific outcomes in ways that are risky for an SK. If you're town, then I think Furc is EXTREMELY likely to be scum, probably with Kdub, but you didn't really switch to Furc until it became over-clear that that was the alternalynch.

If you're scum, I think it's a toss-up between bv and Kdub for your partner. Kast's Netoscum theory is not very plausible IMO, though I suppose we could crack out the confetti early if he were right, so ye know.

I think both Kast and MoI have tried to talk past holes in the theories they're presenting at times, though its irrelevance in Kast's case (as he is not scum unless scum have a flavor-manipulation ability or something) muddies how to interpret it on MoI's part. <_<

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While Kast has claimed to kill my slot Night 2, if he's Mafia, he may be making a very well planned lie that he attempted to kill someone that night.

Muffin claimed that he got flavor indicating that he had been shot on N2. That's why I was pretty sure Kast was telling the truth. Are you interpreting that PM differently?

A major plot point has been that Kast's flavor (shot) only applied to one of those killed; it didn't apply to SX, who was just "destroyed." MoI has argued that this is evidence that MoI is lying about Grapple Beam (e.g. he messed up his fakeclaim).

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I just summarized the point. I thought it was relevant because he doesn't show evidence of having read/understood it.

Yeah, it was Kast's point, I should've added.

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Waiting for SSBF to say whether his flavor had him being shot.

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It's not until tomorrow night. There's no reason to rush.

I want SSBF to go on record about that PM before anyone is lynched. It's a serious issue.

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If he fails to answer, he will get -like points. It has relatively little to do with MoI/Fur at this point, if that's what you're asking.

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I mean, SSBF's information about the PM will not affect my personal decision in a significant way.

I will make a decision before deadline. 100%.

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I'm pretty sure exactly one of Furc/MoI is scum. I suppose we won't know for sure for some time, but all the same --

Vote: MoI

This has gone on long enough.

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I'll claim last.

Kast -> Furco -> SSBF -> Iec

?

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Fine by me, SSBF, not that it applies anymore.

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You dropped hints that Kdub was Morrigan specifically? O_O

@ SSBF -- Let me put my card down before you vote. Play your card first, though.

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I tracked bv last night. Flavor summarized below (it's actual length is similar to what SSBF posted, but I've cut it down just to relevant stuff) --

I catch bv going out of her house and get a description of her clothing. She's carrying a handgun, so I am extra stealthy. I eventually find her pacing outside someone's room and speculate that she may be keeping the room safe. From here, I head home. After angsting about my sexual feelings for bv's character for a bit, I realize that she was guarding SSBF (I didn't recognize the room until then) and get super-jealous. Then I go to bed.

I was bluffing about having actual information on anyone. My guess is that Furco assumed I had tracked him to bv and was trying for damage control. I agree with Kast's assessment of Furc's claim -- it reneges his prior claim, etc.

But this begs the question -- Who killed Kdub?

I don't think mafia killed Kdub, because I think Kdub was the mafia roleblocker. So non-mafia must have killed Kdub.

I didn't kill Kdub.
SSBF didn't kill Kdub.
Furc killed bv.
Kdub presumably roleblocked someone, unless scum have 2 kills.
bv protected SSBF, so that part's no good.

So unless mafia stole Kast's ability and used it later (unlikely; any RB he got was probably Kdub's sexy RB),

Kast killed Kdub.

One point is that Furcscum means MoI was probably town. Otherwise, the lack of kill N2 isn't explained (unless bv was the one who protected successfully, which is unlikely, since he probably would've chimed in yesterday if his action would've helped me interpret whose action had stopped the kills N2, not to mention that targeting Muffin specifically would've been very low-probability...). Kast may be trying to push a lots-of-scum theory to minimize the prior probability that an SK is in the game.

SSBF, are you sure the "X" thing you found indicates that you were formerly a kill target? MoI remaining possible scum would open a reasonable doubt on Kast being town, but I'd still kinda doubt it. Another point in his favor is that no one appears to have been roleblocked, which is consistent with his claim of having been RB'd (even though it would appear that the RB didn't take or something). However, he didn't get sexy flavor as everyone else did, which is inconsistent.

If Kast is SK, we can only NL and hope for the crosskill. I can also protect again tonight -- even myself, since I can do that once this game and haven't done it yet -- so that improves the odds of town not dying given NL.

Do not vote NL yet.

This is @ Kast and SSBF, mostly, for obvious reasons. Have I messed up? Kast-SK Furc-scum looks parsimonious to me.

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Oh, so you're positing that bv was a vengeful bodyguard? That fits, namely because it keeps him from being redundant with my role.

However, if that's the case, bv can't explain the lack of kill N2 (since he would have died). Not that this is a huge deal -- it'd mean that MoI was town and the scumteam was millar-Kdub-Furc, which isn't unreasonable. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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New mysteries given that:

1. If Kdub is the one who did the kill last night...why not before?
2. If Kdub targeted bv last night rather than Furc, why did Furc freak out like that?

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If Kdub killed before, that would imply that Kdub could both kill and RB every day, which isn't quite normative, but isn't impossible. BUT -- if that WAS the case, why didn't he roleblock last night?

Is there evidence of hidden mechanic interaction canceling outside of your claim that that's what happened to your kill last night? I'm not sure what you mean by the BV->Fur bodyguard thing....

Edit: Uh, that didn't help. You targeted Kdub, not SSBF. What does SSBF have to do with anything?

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(The smell of evil business => Morrigan framing effects totally makes sense, though.)

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I'm just being careful.

I mis-remembered that "scratched to death" or whatever happened differently than it did. I assume the claimed sexy-flavored RBs happened only and on all of the off-nights?

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Did you already answer this?

If bv protected Muffin N2, why didn't bv die and kill the protector back then?

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Well, Furc is obvscum. That's not why I'm waiting, though.

Part of me thinks I should just lynch Furc on the basis that Kast deserves his win if he's the SK. But the other part of me knows I'd feel really awful if a NL would have fullproofed things.

But we also don't know if Furc has another ability so.

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Are you claiming that you have reason to believe that Kast is bulletproof?

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I'm not saying it means I won't lynch him if he says you're BP. I'm saying I want him to lay his case out. I agree that it looks like total bullshit so far.

Same as with SSBF's shot flavor thing D4.

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To clarify -- it doesn't affect the lynch, similar to SSBF's clarification D4.

Waiting on Furc.

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Vote: Furcolow

If we lose to KastSK, I blame Furcskum.

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Hooray.

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Seeing as how you somehow managed to avoid being the obvlynch after getting an investigation wrong in a game with delayed reveal, I say ye ain't bad.

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Ditto for me. I really thought Ythan was scum, though. O_O

I'm happy my 1-1s on Ythan-Kdub and Furc-MoI ended up being correct.

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Nah, you weren't insane. Kdub targeted the same player as you. You got unlucky (kinda like how scum got unlucky with the first D1 wagon being on Chun Li).

MoI looked bad IMO for continuing to push for a Kast lynch in spite of strong evidence that Kast was non-scum. I agree that he looked really town before that day, though; hell, I'd Protect'd him.

Furc was scum here, but he's town more often than he's scum.

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Yeah, the flavor was extremely great.

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I protected MoI N3, and then hammered him D4.

PRETTY UNUSUAL, THAT.