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Robbnva wrote:nothing if it was based on something with any actual logic behind it
That's a misrepresentation of Jack's argument. He gave a logical reason. You may not agree with it, and I'm not necessarily saying it's the best reason ever, but it's still A reason and it's disingenuous to frame Jack's play otherwise.drmyshottyizsik wrote:he was really tryig to push with like no reason,-
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Upon further review, although Robbnva has handled himself poorly, Jack's initial case has a flawed premise. In Caught in the Crossfire, zoraster had the Mafia confirm in the thread. In http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... ance Mafia, zoraster had the Mafia confirm via PM. I'm not finding any games where the Mafia had to confirm in a QT, but I know search on this site is a bit weird when you start delving into the archives, so that doesn't necessarily mean anything.-
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drmyshottyizsik wrote:
I thought he meant all games, not just our modHaschel Cedricson wrote:
And elaborate on how you misread it.drmyshottyizsik wrote:he is saying that rob confirmed in thread because mafia's pm's dont say to confirm by pm, and it makes sense
@everyone im at L-2 slow down##Unvote
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You claim that you misread Jack's argument and interpreted it to mean "all games".drmyshottyizsik wrote:I'm town God no one has a really case on me and I am L-1 on page 4 really people think
Now, I think it would be hard to misread this, what with zoraster being specifically mentioned and all. Your sudden understanding comes off as insincere, and your explanation for what you "weren't getting" before sounds like you are trying to make up a reason to explain your sudden shift in belief.
Furthermore, if Jack HAD meant "all games", wouldn't he be wrong? Like, blatantly wrong? So wrong that Jack's case on robb comes across as scummy? You don't act like that's how you read Jack's statement; you instead focus on how it's too early in the game to make cases and other stuff that has nothing to do with attacking Jack's blatantly wrong case.
The conclusion? You didn't misread Jack's post, and are now backpedalling.
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IN THE GAME WHITE FLAG MAFIA PAGE FIVEFriend wrote:anything rhyme with page 5?
IF DRSHOTTYSZIK IS STILL ALIVE
IF THE MAFIA HAS STILL SURVIVED THEY MAY FIND
IN THE GAME WHITE FLAG MAFIA PAGE SIX
THE SCUM IS STIL DRMYSHOTTYSZIK
IN THE WHOLE GAME HIS PLAY IS SO BAD
THE TOWN SHOULD JUST QUICKLYNCH THE LAD
IN THE GAME WHITE FLAG MAFIA PAGE SEVEN
Right, I'm done with this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhNM2K8cmU8-
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Yes it is.drmyshottyizsik wrote:
thats not a songHaschel Cedricson wrote:The song of your impending lynch.
Haschel Cedricson wrote:
IN THE GAME WHITE FLAG MAFIA PAGE FIVEFriend wrote:anything rhyme with page 5?
IF DRSHOTTYSZIK IS STILL ALIVE
IF THE MAFIA HAS STILL SURVIVED THEY MAY FIND
IN THE GAME WHITE FLAG MAFIA PAGE SIX
THE SCUM IS STIL DRMYSHOTTYSZIK
IN THE WHOLE GAME HIS PLAY IS SO BAD
THE TOWN SHOULD JUST QUICKLYNCH THE LAD
IN THE GAME WHITE FLAG MAFIA PAGE SEVEN
Right, I'm done with this.
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So you agree that "[you have]scum intent in [your] vote on Jack," and "drmyshottyizsik's post 79 does not read as genuine,"?drmyshottyizsik wrote:oh that question, yes he made some really good points, AND NOOOOOOOO FRIEND A QUICKLYNCH D1 IS NOT, AND NEVER WILL BE GOOD UNLESS THERE IS A N-0 AND A COP GETS A GUILTY BUT THERES NOT SO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
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A wrong argument is hardly "well done analysis."drmyshottyizsik wrote:@ HC NO but looking at it from his prospective it makes sense, and why are you over looking the mislynch thing
And @ Friend, but scum hunting would also give us info,plus at the end of the day someone dies anyway, so why do you want less scum hunting and info?
And what mislynch thing are you talking about? Do you mean the quicklynch thing? I agree with Friend and Jack. At least I did. Now I think it may be worth keeping you around for a day*.
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How do you reconcile that with this:RedCoyote wrote:
His reaction's to Jack's initial argument, and, further, his changing of opinion on how Robb was being approached. If someone misreads a post, it takes courage to admit you were wrong. Yes, it can be a manipulative ploy, but I don't think that's the case here. I think the doc genuinely misunderstood Jack's observation originally, and then, upon clarification, changed his opinion.HC 139 wrote:To which reactions are you referring?Furthermore, if Jack HAD meant "all games", wouldn't he be wrong? Like, blatantly wrong? So wrong that Jack's case on robb comes across as scummy? You don't act like that's how you read Jack's statement; you instead focus on how it's too early in the game to make cases and other stuff that has nothing to do with attacking Jack's blatantly wrong case.
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yabbaguy wrote:(there HAS to be 3 Mafia- it's illogical given the premise of this game to have 2)
Thanks for the hard-hitting analysis, chief.The Moderator, in the Ruleset wrote:Premise
This game has exactly one mafia with three members. If two out of the three mafia members are eliminated, the remaining mafia member waves a white flag and surrenders. Thus, the town wins.-
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Well, sure, he didn't use those exact words; that's a paraphrasing I used because I didn't feel like going back and find the quote. Here it is:RedCoyote wrote:
Wait a minute, wait a minute. When did the doc focus on "it's too early to make cases"? The closest thing I can find to this is post 36, where he actually responds to a question directed at Robb. Even here, this is more critical of Jack for having no basis for his vote rather than complaining about the fact that Jack had a case.HC 165 wrote:How do you reconcile that
Translation: Pre-game is too early to make cases.Dude stop pushing for a lynch pre game
And you haven't really acknowledged my point, which is if drmyshottyizsik had honestly misread what Jack was saying, he would have tried to expose Jack's case as awful, awful reasoning. Before he said "Oh I see what Jack meant now," do you really think drmyshottyizsik was playing like somebody who had made that specific misinterpretation of Jack's case?
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Well it's a good thing I did exactly that, then:RedCoyote wrote:You'd have to ask the doc what he actually thought Jack meant (you're jumping to conclusions when you claim to know what it was)...drmyshottyizsik wrote:
I thought he meant all games, not just our modHaschel Cedricson wrote:
And elaborate on how you misread it.drmyshottyizsik wrote:he is saying that rob confirmed in thread because mafia's pm's dont say to confirm by pm, and it makes sense-
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Sort of. There's a huge difference between Jack having a bad case and Jack having no case. Doc played it as the latter, when his self-professed belief should have played it as the former. Therefore he's lying about his belief, and everything else looks bad from there.RedCoyote wrote:Actually that's fair. I had forgotten that you had asked that. So your conclusion is that because the doc wasn't aggressive enough against Jack, even though it was obvious that he didn't agree with him, he's scum (among other things, but this being the crux of your vote)?-
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Robbnva wrote:
This question I will address once I get to a pc, but short story. Yes I think he is scumHaschel Cedricson wrote:
Do you think that drmyshottyizsik is scum? If so, why? If not, who do you believe is scum?Robbnva wrote:I hope this explains my thought process a little better, apologies if It came off the wrong way.-
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Did you see post 106?Robbnva wrote:
Because besides from the OMG YOU HAMMERED ME, I really haven't seen anything that scummy, maybe I'm missing sonething, but I just don't see it.Haschel Cedricson wrote:
Why not?Robbnva wrote:ok got to a pc real quick and started to read back, I actually am not as sure about shotty being scum anymore.-
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Robb and Data are the first choices to come to mind, although Wisteria's missing that it was L-1 seems odd in light of the fact that Robb's vote was literally the post before hers and was made over an hour before her post so she shouldn't have missed it.
Wisteria, have you played with drmyshottyizsik before? Your use of the phrase "policy lynch" suggest you have but your post history suggests otherwise.-
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It depends on zoraster's response to a question I asked him.RedCoyote wrote:So what's the course of action with the nightkill? If, by some huge stroke of luck, there actually isn't a nightkill, who are we crossing off? Data for sure, then me, Jack, HC, and Wisteria? If there is a nightkill, I'm thinking tomorrow's lynch probably should come from this group as well.-
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By the way, I think this sequence adds pro-town points to Friend in light of docmyshottyzsik's flip. You'll need more evidence for your case, RC.RedCoyote wrote:
This is dismissive, but if Friend actually were to believe this, then how is it that he can still call the doc scum?Friend 184 wrote:It wasn't the hammer. DMSIS is not smart enough to pretend to be hammered and say "welp I'm town" as scum.
Instead of going with his "DMSIS is not smart enough to do this as scum", he limps back onto the wagon after testing the waters with his Robb vote.Friend 203 wrote:Eh maybe you're right.
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