1025 Tarot Mafia (Over!)

[UncertainKitten]

Um, I'm feminine.

Also, confirm.

And also, if The World is in this game, you know what you must do. It is possible I have The World but obviously I wouldn't reveal this if I did, nor do I expect anyone else to. (Cause I know some of you fuckers are going to call my joke here rolefishing)

[UncertainKitten]

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Vote animorpherv

I hate to break tradition but why in the HELL would you EVER suggest something so utterly stupid?

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP: Now, while "likely scum" is fair enough, the rest of it is STUPID.

[UncertainKitten]

...EBWOP: No, actually, thinking on it, it's all flavor speculation and trying to conjecture without data. What the fuck ani?

[UncertainKitten]

Tell me, ani. Have you played a dram game before? Because I've played two. And dram provides fakeclaims if they are necessary in my experience. Given he's running a theme around Tarot mafia, if there ARE scummy or townie cards, dram has compensated for this.

I think all you're going to do is cause great problems for town and power roles. I think the flavor speculation will also distract from scumhunting.

[UncertainKitten]

I mean, if good, logically sound reasons can be provided for such a course of action, I'd support it. I just don't see any.

[UncertainKitten]

Intent? Perhaps I've underestimated you.

I don't often hear people talk of intent, when that's really the core of what you're looking for in mafia. Too often people quantify "scumtells". All that does is tell you the most active player is scum. Or one of the most active. With intent, you can catch lurkers, active lurkers, active players. Overall, the scum. Admittedly, I'm still trying to figure out how to read intent without slipping into piling scumtells on someone.

Heh, sorry, this seems like a weird digression but it struck me ^-^;.

[UncertainKitten]

This is where we disagree. Intent can be logically deduced. In fact, it often is. You should see me ask often "How does this action or post benefit scum?" when someone is accusing someone else. I also try my hardest to ask myself such questions when I'm making a case. Logically, scum will do things that benefit scum. The trick is figuring out how, because of WIFOM and the like, the answer isn't always obvious.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, we shall see who's method prevails!

Also, that is one syllable off from being a haiku. I'd give you points for effort but you'd be lynched if it were tiebreaker.

[UncertainKitten]

Manz, that's no fun reck! You just HAD to get him drunk, didn't you?

[UncertainKitten]

YOU AGAIN NS!? STALKER!!!!

[UncertainKitten]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...

/me is slow.

[UncertainKitten]

So, hey, I'm totally gonna be away for a while. Nothing too significant but probably almost a day.

[UncertainKitten]

I'm back, and honestly have not seen anything interesting in the pre-game banter.

[UncertainKitten]

Except I'm pretty sure I'm voting you, breaking my usual pattern because I thought you were doing something stupid.

[UncertainKitten]

LERN 2 REED :V.

[UncertainKitten]

...dumbasses.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, to be honest (c wut i did thar?), my ani vote is a placeholder at this point. We ended up getting into a theory discussion that pretty much assuaged my initial dislike. Ani was just being stupid .

[UncertainKitten]

@Ythill: Because while your conclusion is incorrect, your reasoning is sound. I can't dispute the first point. The second point is just a difference of opinion. You haven't committed any grievous crimes against the concept of logic ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

Because righteous anger is a towntell for me ^-^. Well, let me rephrase that. I'm "angry" as either town or scum. But the way my anger is displayed tends to be different based on motivation. Ythill's picked that up it seems.

[UncertainKitten]

@Ythill: And? So far I have no reason to believe you aren't town.

[UncertainKitten]

I'm not allowed to try and not be abrasive for once? Granted, if this day keeps up as it has been (I mean rl day, but mostly localized to this site) I'm sure I'll attack someone with much profanity within a few hours.

[UncertainKitten]

Why is Switz being voted anyway? Did I miss something?

[UncertainKitten]

Well, so far this has been boring as hell and nothing at all interesting has shown up. It is irritating because I'd like to be more here, but I'm bored out of my friggen wits.

[UncertainKitten]

I expected nothing less of Reck really. Your scumhunting is atrocious as usual ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, I figure it's wise to fight fire with fire. If you'll attack me with no basis, I'll certainly defend with no basis ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

If I weren't lazy I'd show you the multitude of town examples where I used that face.

[UncertainKitten]

If I weren't lazy I'd show you the multitude of town examples where I used that face.

are there only town examples or are there also scum examples in which case it would be a null tell anyway?

There probably exist scum examples, but I'm also quite rarely scum. I do have one recent scum game that probably demonstrates use of that face though.

I actually was meaning to make it a null tell from the assumption that I stood accused of doing it as scum, which I was accepting, but would counter with town meta examples if I were so moved.

[UncertainKitten]

Hmm...Switz' latest post bugs me. It reads as a borderline discredit/rolefish ploy and then backing off of it. I have no idea why he'd do this whatsoever.

[UncertainKitten]

I...what?

That post is utterly indecipherable, Jarti. But what I do get from it is that somehow because Switz made a bad post that I called out when his previous posts hadn't stood out to me makes me scum?

Are you fucking stupid?

Oh, wait, it gets richer.

Apparently, Jarti is too lazy to find the games I've been in, of which have been plenty, and to find examples of me using ^-^ regardless of alignment. And somehow, he magically deduces from this lack of evidence, that my ^-^ face is scummy?

You ARE fucking stupid ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

Ok, now you make sense.

By which I mean you still sound fucking stupid, but at least I can read what you are saying as an actual english sentence.

Anyway, let's go with this. How does it benefit scum for me to have not observed the problem with Switz before the post that bugged me?

[UncertainKitten]

That doesn't even make sense. I stated previously that in general I won't take a stance til something is said with scum intent. Hell, I still haven't taken a stance on Switz because I want more information from him first.

I can probably even support the fact that I'll hang back for awhile before going on the attack with meta examples. But I'm lazy.

[UncertainKitten]

massive overreaction? Nay. I really, really, REALLY dislike people being fucking stupid. It's completely out of place in an environment that should actually use logic, and not fucktardery.

Also, hilarious is that you don't address my concerns.

Too busy trying to paint me red with silliness to actually play the game, Switz?

[UncertainKitten]

So, in other words, you felt the need to point out that Ythill had information and this...accomplished...WHAT, from a townie point of view? I'm incredibly curious what town intent you could have had in that post.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, since he hasn't seen fit to explain himself I'm fine voting him after I see a votecount.

[UncertainKitten]

What's interesting is that you misrep me in your last sentence since I'm waiting for a votecount for a reason.

I see no town reason for you to have acted in the way you did, and "being on record" with it serves no purpose but to pad your ISO to

seem

useful without being such.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh hell, L-4? Really?

Unvote, Vote Switz

Manz, I thought he was way closer to lynch.

[UncertainKitten]

Out of curiosity can you still be so sure they are town despite their reluctance to claim?

[UncertainKitten]

Thing is do they REALLY get a Yth seal of approval?

Consider it this way. You are scum that played Death for God knows why. Some player is claiming they can clear you as town. Would you not suspect a trap knowing they were absolutely wrong?

[UncertainKitten]

I disagree with the first. Yth could very well be lying about his seal of approval though.

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP: Could have been, rather. At this point Yth is probably sincere. However, also at this point hypothetical scum death can't come out without looking suspicious.

[UncertainKitten]

um...that's what I'm saying. Scum can't really claim death now, and town had no reason to hold it back. Yth's clear becomes a little more suspect now.

[UncertainKitten]

And again, given the situation, if you were a scum Death user, would you have any reason to trust someone saying you were likely town based on Death? That makes no sense either.

[UncertainKitten]

I think the disconnect is I don't understand why the death action has to target. Or why it's pro town or anti townness matters. Well, I'm getting the latter. So it's possibly an anti town action.

[UncertainKitten]

Still not getting how scum death might avoid claiming because they suspect a Ythill trap. But, whatever.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, I'm implying Yth has a reason to think death is scum, but wanted to draw him out saying he'd get town points. But Death is scum and therefore hides because he suspects a trap.

That would explain at least partially why Death hasn't claimed.

[UncertainKitten]

There are other reasons why Death-town wouldn't want to claim this, even with Ythill's seal of approval. This debate is best reserved for the claim though, if it survives till then.

Fine, fine, it probably is better to hold off.

[UncertainKitten]

Well I wouldn't expect you to admit it's a trap, nor do I think you Mr. Gambit. I merely think it'd be a kinda clever sort of thing to do and a possible thing to keep in mind should Death come out later.

[UncertainKitten]

No prob Ythill. Except i'm not, but hey, what can ya do.

[UncertainKitten]

@Ythill: Pay attention to earlier posts maybe? It is pretty apparent now that Death is town. You've staked too much on it. But when I brought it up the stake wasn't quite as high. You've reaffirmed it in such a way that Death has to be town then (unless you are scum).
That statement was supposed to cover my views when I brought it up, not my current views.

[UncertainKitten]

This game is getting confusing. Quite honestly, that's one hell of a contradiction from Ythill that DT pointed out, and it kinda surprises me given my town read of him I've had for most of this game...I'm not sure what to think, really.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, Switz is at the least terrible at this game. I've hung back a lot in recent games because I wanted to wait for something juicy.

I love how you talk about these "mysterious meta things" without citing them as well.

Case is trash. NEXT!

[UncertainKitten]

Well, if Ythill has magical confirmation powers, even a stupid confirmed townie is better than a dead one...

But if Ythill's powers are suspect, as has been demonstrated by DT, either is a good lynch, really.

I want Ythill to reply to DT, to be honest. I know, he's on V/LA.

[UncertainKitten]

That's actually mildly understandable. But it seems Ythill thinks he can confirm death as town no matter what, so it doesn't gel very well...

[UncertainKitten]

Case pl0x.

[UncertainKitten]

Actually, you know what? It's manifestly obvious this game is

boring the hell out of me

. I'm not giving it my all because I can't get engaged. I'm going to find someone to replace me. I won't officially request replacement until I've found someone. Still, provide that case Ythill, I'll answer it the best I can.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, off meta is essentially because this game was boring.

The Death thing was checking all the bases.

[UncertainKitten]

Dram, officially requesting replacement. You know who I've asked to replace me and he's agreed

I'm sorry about this, but it would be more rude to all of you to not give this game my all.