Mars 2/Mini 243 - We Didn't Start the Fire, Game Over

[LyingBrian]

vote: Nai

[LyingBrian]

unvote

vote: Bamboomancer

[LyingBrian]

umm, raj, you seem to be overreacting, this is not a newbie game where it is 4 to lynch...i don't think

w/ 12 people in the game, it should be 7 to lynch, so you're safe to put your vote back on bamboomancer!

and BabyJesus, what does gg mean?

good guy, good game, great gargling?

[LyingBrian]

gg =

a) ghoulish ghosts

b) gruesome grandma

c) groovy glasses

[LyingBrian]

sorry if i'm incredibly dense Tamuz, but i don't understand your point about the names.

is there a given setup that is always used in these Minis? (1 cop, 1 doctor, 4 Mafia, 1 Godfather, 1 Vigilante, etc.)

sorry, but this is my first Mini, so please forgive me...

[LyingBrian]

unvote: Bamboomancer

[LyingBrian]

mod

, can we get a

vote count

, or is that a lynch?

[LyingBrian]

vote: bloojay

[LyingBrian]

BJ, you are already getting flack, and now you're trying again? Unless you're a cop, you're making really stupid plays here.

I've got a question for anyone that cares to answer: Does anyone have a role ability that has anything to do with their role name?

LOL, you really think i'm going to give you more information to work with, Mr. Scum?

unvote

(if i'm even voting at all, i'm too lazy to check right now)

vote: Nai

[LyingBrian]

FOS: BabyJesus

i've been working on a new system for keeping track of posts, votes, etc., so i didn't have a post count until just a few minutes ago. anyway, BabyJesus has twice as many posts as anybody else. the reason i am pointing at him is b/c the last game i played where one player had significantly more posts than any other, that person was scum, and the reason he was posting so much, was b/c he was controlling the flow of the conversation. not necessarily scummy in and of itself, BabyJesus, but

IGMEOY

[LyingBrian]

Raj, I'm only asking if the ability has anything to do with the name. We lynched Bamboomancer partially because no one could believe that he was just a plain towny with his role name. I didn't ask for any information beyond that. For crying out loud...

i'm not sure what your agenda is, but why do you want to know? if i was to tell you that my role name is relevant to my role (which may or may not be true), would that make you believe my role more? i think the fact that we had a President who was just a vanilla townie, should let us know to be more careful in making people role claim.

[LyingBrian]

FOS: BabyJesus

i've been working on a new system for keeping track of posts, votes, etc., so i didn't have a post count until just a few minutes ago. anyway, BabyJesus has twice as many posts as anybody else. the reason i am pointing at him is b/c the last game i played where one player had significantly more posts than any other, that person was scum, and the reason he was posting so much, was b/c he was controlling the flow of the conversation. not necessarily scummy in and of itself, BabyJesus, but

IGMEOY

Odd....I'm pretty sure this isn't your first game with me. Any reason I get an FOS here, and not elsewhere??

4 of my games have/had you in them, and you are the post leader in all of them, yet this is the only game where your post count is double the closest person to you.

But a little information goes a long way.

especially if you're scum!

[LyingBrian]

Unofficial Vote Count

BabyJesus - 4 (bloojay, Nai, rajrhcpfreak, stark)
This is not me - 2 (BabyJesus, Tamuz)
Nai - 1 (LyingBrian)
rajrhcpfreak - 1 (NanookTheWolf)
stark - 1 (Cubsfan4ever)

Are my post that much higher, or are others posts that much lower here....

LOL, i like how you turn the argument back onto me BabyJesus, very nicely done! the fact that you are being so defensive concerning you post count, makes me wonder if my perception has struck a nerve.

what do you think about roleclaiming, now, BabyJesus, or would you like me to vote for you first?

[LyingBrian]

You think I care? Stop beating around the bush and fos'ing me for stupid reasons. You want to vote me, vote for me then, guy.

i would random vote somebody Day 1 for stupid reasons, but i wouldn't FOS somebody for a stupid reason.

i believe it is a valid reason for a FOS, but your reaction after the FOS gives me a valid reason to vote for you.

Unvote: Nai

Vote: BabyJesus

I think we would like you to roleclaim, BabyJesus!

[LyingBrian]

sure, I'm a mason. This should not be news.

i don't understand why this should not be news.

Oh, but sadly I don;t know who my mason buddy is...I just know I'm one.

this is one reason why i think i'll keep my vote on you for now. sounds like a BS claim, but i'm a newbie, so maybe somebody can explain to me the purpose of a mason who doesn't know who the other mason/s is/are?

and for the curiosity factor, what is your name?

[LyingBrian]

it depends on his name... maybe him not knowing his partner is part of the flavor of his role...

what makes him useful then? with this argument at best, he is a "townie that has a spiffy title" (thanks Nai), at worst, he is scum who came up with a crappy & BS roleclaim.

according to BabyJesus' Day 1 logic, he would be a safe lynch. i'm not saying we should lynch him just yet, i think we need more discussion, but at the same time, i don't think we should turn the pressure off either.

[LyingBrian]

wow, a lot has happened since i left for work, let me catch up.

First off,

Brian, funny that you are pushing for exactly the thing that has caused suspicion to fall upon Nai (?) trying to get info.

unvote: This is not me
vote: Lying brian
he is a hypocrite, and I'd vote hypocrites before liars and annoying people, since they are scumtastic

different situations

Oh, seeing as how I am a mason, I will probably be viewed as dirty soon....

was I viewed bad as a mason again....

can you please explain this for me, BabyJesus, sounds like there is some background that i'm unfamiliar with.

almost every mini I've been in has had a serial killer. Quite a few have mason also, although in some of them masons know the "existence" (rolename) of the other mason without knowing WHO he actually is.

can you give me a specific example. i would still like to understand the purpose of a mason who can not speak with his mason buddy!?!

i'm not fully convinced as i can come up with names from the song that have a better connection than "punk rock" and "rock and roller cola wars", but with a good explanation (an example, would be nice, too), i'll probably unvote.

[LyingBrian]

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almost every mini I've been in has had a serial killer. Quite a few have mason also, although in some of them masons know the "existence" (rolename) of the other mason without knowing WHO he actually is.

can you give me a specific example. i would still like to understand the purpose of a mason who can not speak with his mason buddy!?!

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2541

here's a game with them....

when i first saw this post, my thoughts were "Wow, BabyJesus is cooperating, this is unusual!" then i clicked the link, and i must admit i did give a little chuckle. anyway, if BabyJesus is going to bother giving me an explanation (i have told you guys i'm still rather green, right! this understanding isn't just for this game), i don't think i'll bother unvoting...

[LyingBrian]

almost every mini I've been in has had a serial killer. Quite a few have mason also, although in some of them masons know the "existence" (rolename) of the other mason without knowing WHO he actually is.

seriously? I have never seen that variety of mason before. I put that post out there as a hint to my mason buddy, hoping he'd pick up on it, and seeing if I could pick up on who he might be.

Of course, you'll probably think I was setting this up from the beginning....

so, let me get this straight, you WERE setting this up in a way from the beginning, b/c you've never actually seen a game with this type of role before. i haven't played a full game with you yet, BabyJesus, so i'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but i will definitely be referencing this in the future if you turn up scum!

unvote: BabyJesus

let's see what direction to go now?

[LyingBrian]

vote: bloojay

for suggesting lynching BabyJesus

[LyingBrian]

vote: bloojay

for suggesting lynching BabyJesus

After you just got finished voting for him yourself? ..

Fos: LyingBrian

i can see we haven't played together very much. how about

Vote: Bloojay

, because he doesn't know how to spell.

is that better?

Bloojay, I have information that proves that BabyJesus is not lying. I'd love to see your information.

Vote: Bloojay

for this.

are you claiming to be his mason partner, Nai?

[LyingBrian]

time to turn the pressure cooker back on!

unvote

vote: BabyJesus

i have more propensity to believe bloojay right now than you BabyJesus! also, what is your reason for your vote on me, BabyJesus?

Hmm, wow

Major FOS: LyingBrian, voting for somebody because they have voted for somebody who you were voting for the post before is blatently hypocritical. It seems like you may be trying to start an easy bandwagon for bad reasons.

we haven't played together at all unless you're in the civil war. basically, the vote for bloojay was almost random. i wanted to start some discussion and get reactions, and decided a tongue-in-cheek vote was the way to go.

I'm happy with my vote eespecially with the latestcirumstances, and that LB's only response to my earlier accusation made no sense at all to me. The situations really aren't different as the game's situations are the same and no hard evidence is there on either hand... so exact same situation with different names.

If I could double vote, I would triple vote LB

if you can start a bandwagon and get me to 5 votes, then i'll explain the numerous differences between the two situations, but w/ 2 votes, i'm just too lazy to do the work.

[LyingBrian]

I'm happy with my vote eespecially with the latestcirumstances, and that LB's only response to my earlier accusation made no sense at all to me. The situations really aren't different as the game's situations are the same and no hard evidence is there on either hand... so exact same situation with different names.

If I could double vote, I would triple vote LB

if you can start a bandwagon and get me to 5 votes, then i'll explain the numerous differences between the two situations, but w/ 2 votes, i'm just too lazy to do the work.

Read, I'm really not going to expound because it will bring up interesting questions that will bring suspicions upon me.

Does nobody else see this, in all seriousness?

one difference between Nai's request for information & mine was that Nai was asking EVERYBODY if their role name matched their role. i was asking BabyJesus what his role name was AFTER he claimed his role.

Satisfied?

[LyingBrian]

2

mansons

are way too odd for me in so small game,i belive nai and bj more so

vote bloojay

i only know of 2 Mansons, Marilyn & Charles, but i don't believe either one is mentioned in the song, although, Charles de Gaulle & Marilyn Monroe are mentioned...

P.S. Sorry if this post is a little weird, i'm a little tipsy...

[LyingBrian]

unvote

vote: Bloojay

with Nai's claim to be BabyJesus's "safe" partner (mason, or otherwise) i believe 2 people over 1. anybody want to support bloojay's claim?

[LyingBrian]

Bloojay, you're saying you'd rather kill a confirmed townie and die yourself than unvote and try another person? What's wrong with this picture... The only group I can see that this helps is Mafia.

Confirmed to you.

I can make the exact same arguement for myself if you ever had the notion to try killing me? I'm a proven innocent (to myself) so why would you ever kill a proven innocent, that would only help an innocent. But I'm all for trying, say,

Lying Bryan

... oh wait I have been doing that for a while and still am.

thanks for misspelling my name!

it's really simple, and it's listed on all of my posts: LyingBrian

no space between Lying & Brian, and my name is spelled with an "i", not a "y". i take extra measure to make sure i spell everyone's name correctly in every post, i would appreciate the same from you.

[LyingBrian]

I didn't spell it incorrectly, I just spelled it in my own way. Improving upon an original, and you could still tell I was talking about you, mm hmm.

if you use the same craplogic when you are trying to find scum, you should make a good lynch tomorrow...

[LyingBrian]

There isn't anyone coming forwards to prove Bloojay's claim.

which is why i think bloojay makes a better lynch than BabyJesus at this point in time.

[LyingBrian]

unvote

well i guess we shoud wait for BabyJesus to tell us what we need to do...

[LyingBrian]

vote: bloojay

this day has to end some time & no one has stepped up to confirm bloojay as a mason, so he has the best chance of lying... if he's telling the truth, we still have 2 masons, and an easy lynch tomorrow...

[LyingBrian]

i know i'm being eager, and i know that what i said was scummy, it was half-intentional, half-frustration. sometimes i think PBuG is my long-lost twin!

i can guarantee that my run-up is not a good move for the town! interpret that however you want!

[LyingBrian]

well if you're going to run me up, get on with it, otherwise, let's lynch bloojay!

unless somebody has a better suggestion!

[LyingBrian]

Unofficial Vote Count

LyingBrian - 5 (BabyJesus, bloojay, Cubsfan4ever, NanookTheWolf, Tamuz)
bloojay - 4 (LyingBrian, Nai, stark, This is not me)
BabyJesus - 1 (rajrhcpfreak)

[LyingBrian]

O.k. a couple of things!

first, NanookTheWolf, i appreciate you asking for a role-claim BEFORE you cast the 5th vote. i have a pro-town role, and now you've set me up to be lynched.

FOS: NanookTheWolf

second, i don't trust the BabyJesus/Nai & bloojay/Tamuz/??? mason groups. too many "confirmed" townies. also, am i the only one who noticed Tamuz was trying to hint that he was a "cop", then when he saw my bandwagon was not gaining any steam, decided to come out as a "mason" to lynch me?

third, an official claim that no one bothered to ask for...(i appreciate the fairness)

Buddy Holly, "Ben-Hur", space monkey,

Mafia

my name is Mafia, i am a group of people that each night sends out 1 person to kill a player. i win with the town when the competition is killed (a.k.a. the real Mafia). in short, i am a Vigilante. (unfortunately, even though i am a group of people, i only have 1 life. i clarified this w/ the mod before the game began)

i did not submit a name N0, or N1 b/c i wanted to get a feel for the game first, and see who stood where.

as far as my eagerness to lynch somebody is concerned, that's my playing style, not an indication of my role. see my other games where i am a confirmed townie

[LyingBrian]

second, i don't trust the BabyJesus/Nai & bloojay/Tamuz/??? mason groups. too many "confirmed" townies. also, am i the only one who noticed Tamuz was trying to hint that he was a "cop", then when he saw my bandwagon was not gaining any steam, decided to come out as a "mason" to lynch me?

I was never hinting cop. From the beggining I have had basis for my attack on you, both textual and feeling. I was trying to hint that I was bloojay's mason, but nobody picked anything up and unvoted so I was forced to claim. I'm not going to let bloo, a confirmed innocent

to me

to die by not stepping up to the plate. Just as Nai did for BJ. With 48 hours I was just hoping I didn't step up to late. The thought of lynching you did not cross my mind, only protecting one I knew shouldn't be killed.

And if you thought I was a cop fingering you why did you ignore me so much?

Do you think that I would have waited so long for a drastic move to get you lynched? I've been calm and protective for the day (except towards you and stark to who I've been aggressive). I still don't know what really to think of the BJ and Nai pair, but I don't think BJ is innocent, and bloo doesn't think they are innocent so that is almost good enough for me. Only to be expanded tommorow.

when i asked "am i the only one who noticed..." it was partially hypothetical. i was expressing my suspicions in a question to the general public to generate discussion. i wasn't sure if what i was inferring was what you were implying, so i wanted to see if anybody else got the same vibe i did. i might have misinterpreted your posts, or maybe it's b/c i've never really played w/ you before.

the reason i ignored your nagging was the same reason i didn't voice my suspicion earlier. i didn't want to play my cards until i was ready. unfortunately i tipped the FOS too far in my own direction, and my hand was forced.

concerning your 3rd paragraph, again, i wasn't sure. it seems a reasonable play if you are Mafia. coming from a scummates perspective, i made a mistake by focusing the suspicion too much on myself, and you were taking advantage of the situation. plus, if you & bloojay really were Mafia, you could present a united "front" as masons...

IMO, 2 groups of townies being able to confirm each other is unbelievable. but, at the same time, i can't see Mafia coming forward just to save one of their own. either somebody made a bad play (IMO), or the majority of us are wrong (there are 2 "mason" groups).

i, in no way am trying to discredit Iammars as a mod, b/c i've never completed one of his games, but mods are fallible. for example, the first "game" i played on this site was Eyewitness 1 in Mish Mash. in that game VisMaior & i broke the game b/c of a mod flaw. i almost lost the game for us b/c i had a hard time believing that the game could be broken so easily. again, i'm not saying that this is the case here, in fact my "gut" says it's not, i'm just saying not to totally discredit it as a possibility.

you actually convinced me of your innocence for now, Tamuz, so i will

unvote

. i'll wait awhile to see what happens before voting again, but i will definitely contribute in other ways.

[LyingBrian]

O.k. a couple of things!

first, NanookTheWolf, i appreciate you asking for a role-claim BEFORE you cast the 5th vote. i have a pro-town role, and now you've set me up to be lynched.

FOS: NanookTheWolf

second, i don't trust the BabyJesus/Nai & bloojay/Tamuz/??? mason groups. too many "confirmed" townies. also, am i the only one who noticed Tamuz was trying to hint that he was a "cop", then when he saw my bandwagon was not gaining any steam, decided to come out as a "mason" to lynch me?

third, an official claim that no one bothered to ask for...(i appreciate the fairness)

Buddy Holly, "Ben-Hur", space monkey,

Mafia

my name is Mafia, i am a group of people that each night sends out 1 person to kill a player. i win with the town when the competition is killed (a.k.a. the real Mafia). in short, i am a Vigilante. (unfortunately, even though i am a group of people, i only have 1 life. i clarified this w/ the mod before the game began)

i did not submit a name N0, or N1 b/c i wanted to get a feel for the game first, and see who stood where.

as far as my eagerness to lynch somebody is concerned, that's my playing style, not an indication of my role. see my other games where i am a confirmed townie

well if you have any doubts, you could let me live & i could kill someone tonight to prove my claim...

i have 2 requests,

1) can 1 person unvote me just to give me some breathing room? on Day 1 after Bamboomancer claimed i unvoted for the same reason, just wondering if someone will return the courtesy

2)

mod

, can you retract the deadline please? i think we have enough discussion to keep the game moving...

[LyingBrian]

the name Mafia should not be considere solely as proof for my innocence or guilt, i agree with that, Tamuz.

but it should be considered in relation to my claim. it makes sense with a killing role, and if you compared it to your PM, the flavor will be the same. of course i didn't quote it word-for-word, as that is prohibited, but the general style should be the same. and btw, there is a reason no other thread has a scum character named "Mafia"...

no other thread has a "We Didn't Start the Fire!" theme...

well, see, at a certain point we have to stop doing this. we've already done it twice, once with me and once with BJ. third time's the charm, though, and you made an incredibly risky claim there.

your exactly right, but now we can kill 2 birds w/ one stone. tonight i can target either bloojay or BabyJesus. there will be 2 kills & a "mason"/"confirmed" townie will die.

[LyingBrian]

I'll bet you want to kill a confirmed townie.

no, actually i want to find the scum, and since i don't believe the 2 confirmed groups theory, i want to test it.

[LyingBrian]

bah, i wasn't mafia, i was a Serial Killer whose name was Mafia, and i thought that a Vigilante was the same thing as a Serial Killer. sorry for the confusion

[LyingBrian]

vote: bloojay

this day has to end some time & no one has stepped up to confirm bloojay as a mason, so he has the best chance of lying... if he's telling the truth, we still have 2 masons, and an easy lynch tomorrow...

i think my biggest problem right now, is that i am very impatient... i like games to be moving on a continual basis... unfortunatley, i decided to express this the wrong way at the wrong time... here's to a more Zen-like attitude! good job, scum! sorry for not believing you BabyJesus & bloojay... one question about that, blooojay, you said you had 2 partners, yet Iammars only revealed 2 masons?