Mini 1014 - Ghostbusters Mafia - Game Over

[LimMePls]

Hey everyone, I'm here, and I'm catching up. Just wanted to say hey and let you know I'm working on a reread. Expect something this weekend.

[LimMePls]

Hmmm Taz does make an intersting point though on BC... he did say on a member of the town, I could see how some think that is a scumslip. However, BC's point I can see too.... it is scummy to try and make something scummy, that isn't...

This is wishy-washy. Is saying "the town" scummy or not? Is pointing out that someone else said "the town" scummy or not? I personally think saying "the town" isn't scummy, and those who point it out to try and score points are scummy. That said, Taz is the one that pointed it out, so you should ignore it this time.
jT +1 scum point for fence-sitting

It is almost like you did want to start building a case on Ghost simply due to his username....And backed off because no one else was buying it. I don't like that. But he does make a good point about BC and a possible scumslip.

It was RVS. Voting someone based on their username during RVS is so common that you calling attention to it is very strange. I also don't like the language "almost like". What does that mean? Was he doing that or not?
jT +1 scum point for trying to paint Taz's RVS votes as scummy when they were clearly just RVS.

All I know is that you had better not start tunneling on me just because my name has Ghost in it. Because it'll be a huge scumtell for me against you, and I'll probably call for your lynch due to it.

This post creeps me out. No one is tunneling you. Why say this? IT WAS RVS! YOUR NAME HAS GHOST IN IT. It isn't insane for someone to make an RVS vote out of it. That would be like me getting defensive in RVS for getting the "well, your username told me to" joke.
GW +2 scum point for hyper-defesniveness

Yeah the "constant" thing was just me using bad wording, I do that often in these games. Repeated would have indeed been more accurate. Anyway, the point is I use RVS to get reads off of reactions, and I was not liking his reactions at all, using OMGUS whenever people voted him like that. Makes him look bad, I think. I also don't really like RVS bandwagons all that much, which is why I never voted him. I get that it's still early and he could just be excited, but it's something I'll look into as the game continues.

Backtracing from the "constant" word, when called out on it. Why was using the word constant bad? Why do you feel the need to change your wording based on xReck's question?
CT +1 scum point for backtracking under little pressure.

Wagoning to get out of the RVS and showing up and just posting a vote without content. Scum don't make such an obvious play D1.
Mallow's town.

Not sure how I feel about this post. I do want to point it out though, for future reference if needed.

I've never been a fan of RVS bandwagons, because I don't like people getting put into danger when there's no real reasoning. I actually said the same thing in my last game and I was town, so I don't see how that could be interpreted as scummy.

Just because you said that in your last game and you were town, doesn't mean you saying it this time makes you town. In fact, it reads scummy to me.
CT +1 scum point for whatever the hell you call this (I guess gut read by me).

I didn't like Scott's vote on me too much, but I don't think he's scummy. I know my stance on the one issue isn't particularly common. However, the way xRECKONERx twisted my one post around like that, doesn't sit too well with me. He's getting a scummier read right now, Taz is predictably calming down a bit and I don't find him scummy at the moment.

You don't like Scott's vote, but it doesn't make him scummy? That's fence-sitting/wishy-washy.
CT +1 scum point for fence-sitting.

Don't like that latest vote on me at all, I've already explained it's a general opinion I have that carries over no matter what my role is, so if that's all you have on me, it's a crappy reason to vote. Okay, I get it's wrong, but I'm generally a cautious guy, you could read my latest game as town where I played exactly the same.

@d3X:I didn't like how Scott was making a bandwagon vote on me, that was the main thing, and especially over something like that. I still don't think he's scum. because it seems most people disagreed with me, and he's done nothing else to make me suspicious, especially now that BC has just done the exact same thing. I currently like BC less than Scott, just because his vote came after I already explained myself.(Seriously, go find newbie 958, and you'll see how similar I was at the start)

So even though you thought what he did was scummy, you don't think he's scum because no one else does? This looks like trying to blend with the town.
CT +1 scum point for appeasing/blending.

About this "newbie card" thing:How did you even come up with that? When did I specifically try to get out of anything by saying I'm a newb? Once again, twisting my words around. I only mentioned that game because it was my best one(I've played two and the first was an epic fail), and because it would show that to be a general opinion I have. It honestly has nothing to do with strategy, it's just how I am.

Anyway, right now BC is annoying me more than xRECKONERx, because the way he's twisting my posts is just driving me crazy. Unvote, Vote:BC

This reads like a bit of AtE to me. And "annoying me"? What is that?
CT +1 scum point for AtE.

I'm going to fos XScorpion for his attempt at confusion up above. Confusion=scum.

o.O
mallo +1 scum point for... this.

Aye, I'll admit I left, had no choice, but acting suspiciously for telling someone not to tunnel (which isn't a very townish thing to do, as it limits your view and can cause you to miss other scumslips in your crusade against one person in a a game of many) based on a non-game fact that my name, which I've been using long before I even stumbled onto this site, has "Ghost" in it? Especially someone playing the way Taz has been? I think not.

Taz, I do not know quite what to think of you. You are, indeed, doing quite a bit of scummy things, but there are so many, particularly twisting words, that it makes you just look like a really bad townie. Like, really bad. Anything someone says that doesn't agree with you, it seems, gets twisted into some kind of attack against you that you always try to make look like only scum would do.

This post is missing two things. Opinions on anyone other than Taz and a vote. Interesting that the post comes soon after XScorpion's suggestion that he was scum.
GW +1 scum point for active lurking.

So I just woke up a few hours ago and I don't feel like reading and I have to get food and I have to go see a sneak peek of Scott Pilgrim and etc etc

I'll catch up soon, promise.

Posts like this irritate me. I don't care what is going on in your real life, I don't need excuses about why you aren't participating, I'm not your mommy. Just participate or replace out. I don't think this is scummy, just my pet peeve.

Sorry guys that I haven't been on lately. I'm looking back at when I said I fosed XScorpion and I am wondering what I was thinking. I'm sorry if you think me useless. I'm ISOing Coach and I'll see if I can add anything.

After ISOing him I think I'm going to change my vote. He has some valid points and after reading some of what I missed, I think Tarazo is scum.

vote Tarazo

So you ISO'ed CT and found nothing scummy? *Looks up at his reread notes* And then because of that you choose to vote the easy wagon, even though he is getting replaced? Interesting considering your first post of the game was an easy wagon vote as well. Scum-city.
mallo +2 scum points.

Yeah, I have to agree with the case against Mallow:He's been totally unhelpful, lurking like crazy, and then to return and make a vote against someone who's being replaced, and who I feel could easily be an over excited townie, is very suspicious. I think for now I'll Unvote, Vote:Mallowgeno, since the BC thing was really just personal, and while I still don't particularly like him, Mallow seems worse right now.

This means Mallow, BC and xRECKONERx are currently at the top of my suspicions list, while right now I feel Scott, Jason, and Taz are town. There's still some people I'm not totally sure of yet, I'll go through some more later and see if I can get more reads.

In your last post (232) you said Taz was acting suspicious. Then everyone starts unvoting Taz because he's being replaced, in then in this post, with no comments on your change in opinion, you call Taz town. Nice scumslip.
CT +2 scum points.

Scum point tally:
jasonT1981: 2
GhostWriter: 3
Coach Travis: 7
mallowgeno: 3

Conclusions:
Coach Travis is scum and needs lynching. GhostWriter needs to be watched closely and pressured to contribute. mallowgeno is good for vigging, or if we don't have a vig, lynching. jasonT1981 said some things early that bothered me a bit, but not so much later in the game, and is the weakest of my scum reads.

Unvote

(in case Taz's vote was still out there)

Vote: Coach Travis

If there are any outstanding questions to my slot (I didn't see any, but I thought I'd ask) I'll be happy to answer them, please restate or link them.

Hey everyone, I'm here, and I'm catching up. Just wanted to say hey and let you know I'm working on a reread. Expect something this weekend.

ONE FUCKING POST?
ARE YOU SHITTING ME?

Vote: LMP

I LOL'd. Your flailing fascinates me. XReck will be getting my first ISO this game.

[LimMePls]

Backtracing from the "constant" word, when called out on it. Why was using the word constant bad? Why do you feel the need to change your wording based on xReck's question?
CT +1 scum point for backtracking under little pressure.

I realized constant was the wrong word there, because it only happened twice, not several times, which that word would suggest. Basically, it was an exaggeration, which could be a scum tactic to make other players look bad.

The game was like 24 hours old (or less IIRC) and he'd already done it twice. I don't think constant was a poor choice of words. The fact that you felt the need to backtrack out of it when someone mentioned they thought constant was a bad word is what makes you look scummy. It looks like you are trying to appease the town, rather than stick to your convictions. Which is scummy.

Just because you said that in your last game and you were town, doesn't mean you saying it this time makes you town. In fact, it reads scummy to me.
CT +1 scum point for whatever the hell you call this (I guess gut read by me).

See, I think it's more scummy if you switch your views on an issue from game to game, just to suit a specific role. My point was that it's an opinion I always have, and I only used meta gaming to show it does in fact carry over from game to game. Basically, I think it's a null tell, because it's a personal opinion, and has nothing to do with strategy. I don't see how having a personal opinion could be viewed as scummy.

Here is what you said:

I've never been a fan of RVS bandwagons, because I don't like people getting put into danger when there's no real reasoning. I actually said the same thing in my last game and I was town, so I don't see how that could be interpreted as scummy.

It's one thing to say "I've always held this opinion, so it's a null tell". That isn't what you did though, you brought up the fact that you had that opinion in another game, and that you were town in that other game. The key difference here is that you felt the need to bring up that you were town in the other game, as if to imply that holding that opinion in another game when you were town means that having that opinion in this game makes you town. So throwing in the part about "I actually said the same thing in my last game

and I was town

" is scummy as hell. Clearly if you said it last time as town, you could say it now as scum. In fact, as you point out, switching without a reason would look scummy, so you have an extra incentive to stay consistent if you are scum.

You don't like Scott's vote, but it doesn't make him scummy? That's fence-sitting/wishy-washy.
CT +1 scum point for fence-sitting.

Just because someone's voting for you, it doesn't mean you have to find them scummy, or find their methods questionable. Basically, I had seen nothing overly suspicious from Scott up to that point, and still haven't, and voting me isn't scummy, even though I obviously disagree with it. Voting is not scummy, unless you're past the RVS stage, and not giving reasons.

My point is that you are couching your language in the most mild, appeasing way possible. You dislike the vote, but you don't find it scummy. This is just one of many examples of this sort of behaviour from you, where you refuse to take a hard stand, you just say wishy-washy half-hearted things. In fact, the few times you do take a stand, you've been all to quick to backtrack when pushed on it at all. It reads like you want to fit in with the town, rather than just being town naturally.

So even though you thought what he did was scummy, you don't think he's scum because no one else does? This looks like trying to blend with the town.
CT +1 scum point for appeasing/blending.

I never said it was scummy, I said I didn't like it. There's a big difference. I never once said I found anything Scott did scummy, because I never did. His argument against me was perfectly reasonable, even though I obviously felt differently about it.

Read above. This is just another example of you trying to defend yourself without taking a firm stand on anything. You don't like his vote, but you don't push him about it, you don't make a strong stand and call him flat out wrong, you just say "I don't like it". It's half-assed and it makes you look scummy.

This reads like a bit of AtE to me. And "annoying me"? What is that?
CT +1 scum point for AtE.

Sorry, could you explain what AtE is? I've never heard of that before. And the annoying me thing was just because he was going after a clear personal opinion, and trying to make it seem like I was playing the newbie card when I wasn't:This is my first game outside of Road to Rome, so that was the only example I had. I never once said I was a newb, he made it seem like I did say so, and that was annoying me.

Appeal to Emotion. It sounded like you were defending yourself on grounds that "he was being mean". That's how it read to me.

In your last post (232) you said Taz was acting suspicious. Then everyone starts unvoting Taz because he's being replaced, in then in this post, with no comments on your change in opinion, you call Taz town. Nice scumslip.
CT +2 scum points.

Aside from my one post on him early on, (you know, the now infamous "constant" one), I never really went after Taz at all, and my post you're referring to was mostly saying that people found him suspicious, but I personally did not. In fact, I was saying others should give you a chance to come in and say something before voting you, because I was never convinced he was scum. I always thought he was over excited town, so my previous post was not a sudden change like you make it out to be.

Everyone, if you're skimming the quote war, please pay attention to this bit, it's the best part of my case.

Here is an exact timeline, with quotes, of what you did, and why it is scummy.

Nice to see Starbuck around, interested to hear from him. But now the real interesting thing will be seeing how Taz's replacement acts,

because Taz was acting suspicious

, I personally wrote it off as just him being overly hyper,

didn't really find him scummy, but I'm interested to see how the replacement will act, with the situation as it is

.

Also, while I still disagree with Scott, I don't find him scummy, because he at least has a good enough explanation, and isn't accusing me of something I never did. Still think he's town. His case against me is totally fair, no matter how much I disagree with it.

Yeah, I have to agree with the case against Mallow:He's been totally unhelpful, lurking like crazy, and then to return and make a vote against someone who's being replaced, and who I feel could easily be an over excited townie, is very suspicious. I think for now I'll Unvote, Vote:Mallowgeno, since the BC thing was really just personal, and while I still don't particularly like him, Mallow seems worse right now.

This means Mallow, BC and xRECKONERx are currently at the top of my suspicions list, while right now I feel Scott, Jason, and

Taz are town

. There's still some people I'm not totally sure of yet, I'll go through some more later and see if I can get more reads.

So you say that Taz was "acting suspicious", but you didn't ever find him scummy, again another instance of you fence-sitting. If you thought he wasn't acting suspicious, then why do you say he was. And if you admit he was, then why would you think he is town?

The timing of these posts is important. In the space of 16 hours, and 12 posts, you go from admitting my slot was suspicious and wanting to see what the replacement does, to calling the slot town. Note that in those 16 hours and 12 posts, there was not one post by my slot, and the only things that had occurred involving my slot was an unvote from jason and a vote by mallow. So what exactly, changed your mind in those 12 posts/16 hours that swung you from admitting my slot was suspicious and wanting to see what the replacement did to calling my slot town? If you thought my slot was town, which you seem to imply (again without taking a firm stand on the idea), then why not say that outright? Why say you are gonna watch my slot, and then suddenly you are calling it town? It looks like you were mimicking the others who were saying they wanted to see what the replacement does. Again, you read to me like someone who is trying too hard to blend with the town, which is scummy.

I still like the case on Mallow, because if he is indeed a third party player it's a good idea to have him out of the game, and either way if he's going to keep playing like this, he's not really going to help us if we keep him anyway. And obviously, that type of play comes off as scummy. My vote stands.

And I think LMP is obvtown with that post, clearly scumhunting the whole time. Makes my read on Taz seem even more accurate now.

And now you are calling me obvtown. So we can add buddying to your scummy behaviors.

[LimMePls]

^This reads to me as: "Hmm, there is no evidence I can point to for my town read. I know he isn't scum cause I am, but I can't say that, so let me flail around trying to explain my town read that is really unexplainable".

[LimMePls]

The back and forth between you two is distracting and not in the town's best interest. Please knock it off.

BC's vote on Taz, then vote on Taz's slot, then ISO of CT, then /barn my case without actually admitting he was /barn on my case (even though he implies my slot is scummy) is noted. That was a really strange sequence of posts from BC.

@BC: Did you realize that I made that exact case already? What do you think about my case? If you agree with it, then do you admit that I'm scum hunting, since I'm the one that started the line of inquiry on CT in the first place? If so, then why do you think my slot is scummy? What exactly about Taz's play do you think was scummy? Quotes would be appreciated.

[LimMePls]

Alright,, I realize I've spent way too much time on the defensive, so now I'll give my thoughts on some players, and recent stuff.

First off, I like sottyrulez:His latest post was really good, exactly the type of thing I like to see, as he shares thoughts on several players, giving good ideas of who he finds suspicious and why, and who isn't so suspicious. Plus he ended with a vote, and I liked that one as well, trying to start something on a player who's been relatively unnoticed so far. Town read for him so far. Also, nice to see someone else got the same vibe out of Taz.

Hey look, CT is buddying. What a shock...

Also good to see GhostWriter with a much better post after being called out. I'm really not sure of him so far though, as he hasn't really done enough for me to get a read, but it was good to see him attempt scumhunting in his last post. Though I don't really agree with the case on Xscorpion, he doesn't seem tremendously scummy to me

You think it is good for him to make a post after being called out? I think it smacks of active lurking scum. He is reading the thread, and he responds when specifically prompted, but he provides no other content. What part was an attempted scumhunting?

I agree that Starbuck is getting a bit ridiculous. I realize she's away, but if she has the time to make as many silly posts as has, she has time for content. Only reason she wouldn't want to contribute is if she's scum. I'll give her time to see if she picks it up when her vacation's over, but so far she seems scummy.

I still <3 my vote. Others should join up, this wagon is a go.

[LimMePls]

or just made one up... though if he were scum, why would he not say he could block scum kills? I believe the claim... I think. I do not see any scum motives in the claim. If he was scum, he would lie and say he could block the kill.

Because if he said he could block night kills, then the scum would have to give up their NK the night he uses his block.

That said, I don't think this is the case, I think mallow is exactly what he claims to be. My guess is 3rd party survivor with the mass roleblock. I think there are better lynches today.

[LimMePls]

He does make a good point against Starbuck though, one I have been trying to make for a few pages.

LMP, how do you feel on Starbuck, her vote on me, and reaction to being called out by me... and her content, do you feel she has made any good contribution to the game??

I realize you said we both needed to shut up... but you never took a stance either way on the debate between Starbuck and I

I'm pretty sure "your fight is distracting and anti-town" is taking a stand.

As for my opinion on Starbuck, she's lurked to a null read. I find the lurking anti-town but not necessarily scummy. She apparently has time to read the game, and to make comments that are completely unrelated to the game, but apparently not enough time to actually contribute, which is again massively frustrating and completely unhelpful. However, I wouldn't support Starbuck lynch unless we had no better options, and we definitely have better options. Coach Travis for a start.

[LimMePls]

I don't think we should unvote BC. He was really scummy on that page, and then as soon as people started voting him for it, without even a post in here saying "Sorry, but I can't play" he suddenly requests replacement? I say that wagon is a go.

CT tomorrow.

Unvote
Vote: BC

[LimMePls]

I just got caught up in my other game, but I am sort of tired, and am going to go to bed. I will catch up on this one tomorrow, but I promise to make some good posts when I do. I am not scum, though, so if you all would unvote me it would be nice. I am not going to claim, but I will admit that lynching me is better than lynching a doctor. I don't know what kind of information you could really get out of lynching me, though, as I haven't caught up on the thread yet.

Needless to say, I don't want to die, but it might be for the best if the town can end up pulling together and winning. If you all don't want me to HELP you win, then lynch me. If you all want me to help you win via scumhunting, having another vote as a town, and fosing scummy ass fucks, then I will.

that is all
i hope you all get a smile on your faces reading this
peace out (for now!)

Furcolow wagon is a go.

[LimMePls]

Coach Travis is also town.

Explain please. Cause I definitely don't see this for all the reasons I've pointed out.

[LimMePls]

Wooooooooot!

What is this for?

[LimMePls]

With Fur flipping town LMP moves up in my list which is essentailly the same list from day 1.

Why is this exactly?

CT and GW are my two top suspects.

[LimMePls]

Yeah, I'm also not liking shotty so far, and considering my thoughts on Reck, he may be the best lynch option. Of course, I'm interested to see the investigation results, since at this point I agree sotty has no reason to claim if they aren't actually the cop.

Said the Scum.

Regardless of what's about to go down, the last few pages shows that we have 2 or 3 Caught Scum.

1- sr's Investigation result {assuming it's neither of the next 2}
2- one of Ghost Writer and Drshotty {hint- it's not GW}
3- CT

Why CT? Aside from everything yesterday {seriously, why didn't we Lynch this guy}, because "not liking" has nothing to do with the Counter Claim of GW. The above post felt very noncommittal to me. One of the two of them {barring the highly unlikely scenario previously presented of Drshotty FakeClaiming as Town} is Scum. Period. I think it's pretty obvious that it's Drshotty. Why would Scum Ghost Writer expose himself {

*snicker*

} for no reason what-so-ever to get one of the 2 Claimed Cops Lynched. Especially before sr's results were shown.

The question we are now left with is this. In what order do we want to clean house? I would like to wait for sr's results before we decide, but I'm strongly leaning...
sr's Result -> Drshotty -> CT
Reason being we have a Cop result from sr, then we have a CC on Drshotty, then we have scummy play and evidence on CT. With any luck, that's the whole ScumTeam and we just won.

If we're in some alternate reality where alignment is dictated by facial hair, I guess Drshotty could be telling the truth and have a Guilty on XS; making the team sr's Result, XS, and Ghost Writer, but I can't see that happening in anything but said evil universe.

This. Thank you!

drmyshotty

I suspect this is who the scum result is on, if not, and we want to switch to the guilty result first, that is fine with me.

[LimMePls]

^^EBWOP:

Vote: drymyshotty

[LimMePls]

Just an FYI...GW is town. He already claimed.

Oh right, he is CC'ing dr, correct?

My bad. Well, I definitely think CT is scum, and obv drmyshotty.

[LimMePls]

I agree, we do need our investigation results. We also need to lynch you.

Wait for the results, and I think we need to lynch XS cause I got a guilty on him

No one believes you, so you might as well fess up now.

[LimMePls]

^^Truf.

[LimMePls]

I'm ok with the d3x lynch, but I'd like a vote count first.

@Mod: Can we get a vote count please?

[LimMePls]

I don't buy the claim.

Vote: d3x

L-2.

[LimMePls]

@

Mod

will I get banned if I say who my partners are?

o.O

[LimMePls]

Starbuck, please post a catchup post with content or replace out. Your lurking is getting tiresome.

[LimMePls]

Why are you treating Coach Travis confirmed? I'm thinking he is the last scum. Look at him in ISO. Pay particular attention to how he never mentions D3x or Shotty until he has to. Add that to the mountain of reasons I've already posted before for why he is scum and I think it's pretty obvious.

And why isn't GW confirmed? GW counterclaimed the scum, and we learned that the scum was lying. Doesn't that mean GW is what he says he is?

I'm pretty sure CT lynch = gg.

Vote: Coach Travis

[LimMePls]

Not only does CT never mention d3x until the investigation result is announced, he even admits it and gives his "reason" for not mentioning him (d3x was lurking). Why does he feel the need to defend himself for having never mentioned d3x before? He is the first to vote shotty, but we all know he was the lynch, so it was a pretty easy bus.

[LimMePls]

Why are you treating Coach Travis confirmed? I'm thinking he is the last scum. Look at him in ISO. Pay particular attention to how he never mentions D3x or Shotty until he has to. Add that to the mountain of reasons I've already posted before for why he is scum and I think it's pretty obvious.

Show your work or you're just making empty accusations.

And why isn't GW confirmed? GW counterclaimed the scum, and we learned that the scum was lying. Doesn't that mean GW is what he says he is?

The circumstances work very well in his favor, but it's not impossible that the interaction was scum/scum. That's what we would call a gambit for town cred. Mind you, I'm not saying it's paticularly likely, I just think it's important to note that he's not actually cleared persay.

I'm pretty sure CT lynch = gg.

Vote: Coach Travis

Again, show you work.

ISO me. I'm not typing it all out again. I've made a damned good case on CT and it still holds.

[LimMePls]

Mod just send me a pm with my investigation result on xscorpion. We got an innocent on him.
Coach travis (Who we are treating as confirmed even though he's not.)

Explain please. What died CT do to be treated as confirmed? Why is GW a possible "gambit" but CT is being treated as confirmed.

[LimMePls]

EBWOP: died = did

[LimMePls]

It's not anything HE'S done as much as it is the fact that d3x was paticularly interested in his lynch.

More specifically, d3x iso post 5 is the main reason that I think coach travis is town. The case he makes on Coach Travis misreps and misquotes Coach Travis in full context, and his tone in the post in reaction is pretty gleeful, which doesn't seem like the reaction you'd get from scum bussing their buddy.

But this is what doesn't make sense. You say CT is basically confirmed based on his interaction with d3x, but you also say that the GW/shotty interaction doesn't prove anything because it could be a scum gambit. Of the two, the more likely I see is that d3x was bussing a partner. There are a lot more reasons for d3x to bus CT in that situation, then there are for scum-GW to counterclaim shotty.

For instance, d3x's observations/vote on CT doesn't come until there were already 4 votes on CT. Furthermore, pretty much everything d3x says about CT is a straight up barn of what I'd already pointed out. Lastly, look at CT's reaction to d3x's vote, in particular to contrast with his reaction to others. I don't think scum-CT could be any clearer.

Also interesting is how CT claims to like sotty's play, but then questions the sotty's cop claim at the beginning of D2. Here are the posts, one where he likes sotty, and the next where he questions the cop claim:

Alright,, I realize I've spent way too much time on the defensive, so now I'll give my thoughts on some players, and recent stuff.

First off, I like sottyrulez:His latest post was really good, exactly the type of thing I like to see, as he shares thoughts on several players, giving good ideas of who he finds suspicious and why, and who isn't so suspicious. Plus he ended with a vote, and I liked that one as well, trying to start something on a player who's been relatively unnoticed so far. Town read for him so far. Also, nice to see someone else got the same vibe out of Taz.

Also good to see GhostWriter with a much better post after being called out. I'm really not sure of him so far though, as he hasn't really done enough for me to get a read, but it was good to see him attempt scumhunting in his last post. Though I don't really agree with the case on Xscorpion, he doesn't seem tremendously scummy to me.

I agree that Starbuck is getting a bit ridiculous. I realize she's away, but if she has the time to make as many silly posts as has, she has time for content. Only reason she wouldn't want to contribute is if she's scum. I'll give her time to see if she picks it up when her vacation's over, but so far she seems scummy.

This is a gem of a post. After getting pushed to 5 votes, CT finally decides to "give my thoughts on some players". And what does he go on to do? Give 1 town read, 1 wishy-washy fence sitting null-ish read, and point out a lurker that everyone else was already talking about. And now, after sotty claims cop with a guilty, here is CT:

I know I've liked Sotty so far, but I don't know I if believe the claim. I have no reason not to trust him, the biggest problem I have is that day two is way too early to give yourself away, unless the town makes the mistake of wagoning on you and you get to L-1. The start of a day is not the right time, unless it's near the end of the game. With that being said, I'm interested to see what happens from here.

So when was the last time you had a town read on a player, and then when he claimed town you questioned his claim? Does not compute.

All the evidence is there folks. CT is scum.

[LimMePls]

Please note people that d3x's "case" on CT was pretty much just a copy of all the things I'd already pointed out about CT. Then, when the CT wagon loses steam, we never see d3x push the case on him further, nor do we see CT try and refute d3x's points.

[LimMePls]

we have 4 slots that technically aren't confirmed.

I'd probably go LMP, Coach Travis, Ghostwriter though. I can't see Mallow being scum at this point.

LMP makes points about Coach Travis, but I really don't think he's scum. (Plus when we claimed, LMP basically ignored the claim, which seems consistant with scum panicing on the claim.)

Vote: Lynchmepls

I never said anything about your claim because I believed it. What did you want me to say? D2 starts, you claim cop with a guilty, and ask for CCs. I couldn't CC you, and you hadn't revealed your target yet, so what was I supposed to say. When you did reveal your target, I agreed with you about the lynch. What exactly did I do here that you have a problem with? How was it any different than other townies? The only people I recall getting weird about your claim have been scum.

[LimMePls]

Ok, I just got a PM from CML clarifying something for me, so I feel good about doing this:

Claim: Winston Zeddemore

I was a newbie ghostbuster who was a backup. As such, I had no powers to start with, but when the first ghostbuster died, I gained his powers. As jason was Ray Stanz, and jason died last night, I've inherited his powers. He had three abilities, 1-shot each. They were doc (with a twist), bodyguard, and a power that pulls all targeted abilities to himself (I'll get back to this in a second).

The 1-shot doc had 1 downside, if used on scum then Ray would die instead. Since he used it on sotty, we know sotty isn't scum (big surprise there, but even further confirming it is good). He used the bodyguard last night on sotty, and I'm assuming that is why he died instead of sotty.

The fiinal power (which I've now inherited) when used will make all targeted actions target the user instead of their original target. So, what I propose is we lynch CT. If by some miracle that doesn't end the game, I'll use my lightning rod power tonight. That means sotty's investigate won't work (because it'll target me), but it'll pull the mafia kill to me as well. Since some of you are suspicious of me, that'll help us out, by eliminating me from the suspect pool, and we'll still have 2 lynches left. I think it'd be damn near impossible to lose from that position.

[LimMePls]

^This lynch is a go.

[LimMePls]

CT, claim, you're at L-1 if I'm not mistaken.

[LimMePls]

Crap, knew my day 1 actions would come up again sooner or later. I really just wasn't impressed with d3x on day one, and couldn't get a read on him because he was lurking so much, and the case on me did seem forced. I did interected with Reck however, and was suspicious of that role the entire game, you can't say I wasn't.

Well, with so many players confirmed, plus my town read on LMP and having no reason to doubt GW, my only possible option is to

Vote:Mallow

Your "suspicions" of him are baloney. Here is a quote of every post you make concerning Reck:

I didn't like Scott's vote on me too much, but I don't think he's scummy. I know my stance on the one issue isn't particularly common. However, the way xRECKONERx twisted my one post around like that, doesn't sit too well with me. He's getting a scummier read right now, Taz is predictably calming down a bit and I don't find him scummy at the moment.

About this "newbie card" thing:How did you even come up with that? When did I specifically try to get out of anything by saying I'm a newb? Once again, twisting my words around. I only mentioned that game because it was my best one(I've played two and the first was an epic fail), and because it would show that to be a general opinion I have. It honestly has nothing to do with strategy, it's just how I am.

Anyway, right now BC is annoying me more than xRECKONERx, because the way he's twisting my posts is just driving me crazy.

Unvote, Vote:BC

Oh, and about the wishy-washy thing:I did eventually make a serious vote, and including that plus what I said about xRECKONERx, which still holds true for now, I do have two scum reads, and there's still plenty of other players I'm not sure on yet, mostly because they haven;t posted enough for me to get a read.

Yeah, I have to agree with the case against Mallow:He's been totally unhelpful, lurking like crazy, and then to return and make a vote against someone who's being replaced, and who I feel could easily be an over excited townie, is very suspicious. I think for now I'll Unvote, Vote:Mallowgeno, since the BC thing was really just personal, and while I still don't particularly like him, Mallow seems worse right now.

This means Mallow, BC and xRECKONERx are currently at the top of my suspicions list, while right now I feel Scott, Jason, and Taz are town. There's still some people I'm not totally sure of yet, I'll go through some more later and see if I can get more reads.

@D3XI'm getting scum vibes from Reck. First off, he was clearly buddying with Taz, it was obvious the way he was interacting with him. And since Taz was replaced, he's been fairly quiet, not doing much anything, because he knows LMP can't be played that easily. Otherwise, I need to go through some posts and see what I think. Can't do that until Friday though, I won't be online again until then.

@Fur:Please explain how I'm buddying, I can't see it all. I've done nothing even close to how Reck was trying to manipulate Taz, and every time I've defended people it's been based on reads and nothing more. And I'm not a wagon jumper. I only voted on two wagons, was suspicious of Mallow and still think he needs to go at some point, and am even more suspicious of BC, so it's not like waiting to jump between wagons like you say. And interesting how you connect me to both sotty and Reck, but for opposite reasons. I doubt a scum would do two obvious tactics like that, maybe one if they suck.

Interesting role claim, but I don't believe it. I still see him as scum.

Yeah, I'm also not liking shotty so far, and considering my thoughts on Reck, he may be the best lynch option. Of course, I'm interested to see the investigation results, since at this point I agree sotty has no reason to claim if they aren't actually the cop.

Sucks to lose Scott, but catching scum is always a good thing, and we even still have our cop, unbelievably. Anyway, I think our best course of action is obvious, considering how scummy shotty has been acting, his obvious ignoring of d3x, plus actually claiming scum, he's clearly the best lynch option.

Vote:drmyshottyizsik

Not one time, until he had confessed to being scum, did you place a vote on the slot. You kept vaguely mentioning Reck as suspicious to you, but you never put your vote where your mouth was. You voted other people, even though you kept mentioning Reck as a scum read. Then when you made your "I'm done being defensive, so hear are my thoughts on some people" you completely ignored him. You claim you thought he was scum, but you never made any effort to secure his lynch. Only when drmyshotty admitted to being scum did you finally put a vote out there.

People, in all seriousness, go back and reread the game and CT-scum is painfully obvious. If you don't have the time to re-read, at least ISO him, Reck/drmyshotty and d3x. Its pretty clear. No need to rush this day, we've rushed enough days, we should take our time with today and do any ISOs/rereads that we need to get done until we're ready. Trust me though, I reread the whole game today, and I was only more sure of CT-scum than I had been before.

[LimMePls]

Looks that way. Pretty sure 785 is as close to a confession as you usually get... unless drmyshotty is in the game. CT scum was obv from D1.

[LimMePls]

@Mod: Thanks, great game!

Good job town.

I can't figure out why Walter Peck would ever activate his mass block, let alone do it multiple times.