Mini 1014 - Ghostbusters Mafia - Game Over

[XScorpion]

Hey guys.
Content is promised by the end of the day (EST).

[XScorpion]

Alright here we go:

Page 1:
Random votes blah blah blah
Tazaro's play disturbs me. Is there a reason other than 'for the lulz' for making so many random votes?

So, where is everyone else?

I look forward to a bandwagon on either myself

or Tazaro.....

Why?

and GhostWriter, make me vote for you for an actual reason.

Wtf is this?
Current suspicions: Jason or Taz.

Page 2:
More randomness.
Tazaro 'considers himself a dive-in player.' How does this help town?
xReckonerx leaves RVS with serious vote on Travis. Why is his use of the word 'constant' bad?
Jason doesn't see the 'other people' mentioned by the mod, but makes a good post interrogating Taz.
Reckoner's defense of Taz is noted.

we share a characteristic in common...

What's that? Obvious buddying is obvious.

I told him to make a slip-up if he's scum because

I tried to find scumminess about him

but it wasn't happening at that point.

This is just horrible. You admit to trying to find things that make him scummy. Sounds to me like scum is trying to find someone to lynch, as opposed to town trying to get a read.
Jason questions Tazaro. Leaning more towards town on Jason.
Tazaro is still random voting for reactions. Wtf.

All I know is that you had better not start tunneling on me just because my name has Ghost in it. Because it'll be a huge scumtell for me against you, and I'll probably call for your lynch due to it.

What is this? Do I see someone using threats to get people not to vote for them? Interesting...
Current suspicions: Reck/Taz scumteam, or Ghostwriter/someone else

Page 3:
mallowgeno throws a random vote and vanishes. Be useful or die.
Taz starts trying to argue that his OMGUS wasn't serious. Excuses, excuses.
Scott has a decent point against Travis, but I don't think Travis' opinion is motivated by a scum role.
Reck unvotes with no explanation. I'm not liking this.
Reck says Mallow is town. At first I think Jason is taking Reck too seriously...but then Reck actually backs up his opinion. Yeah no, 'too scummy to be scum' is not a defense.
Tazaro makes his first protown action of the day by asking Scott about the wagon thing. Scott isn't influenced.
Suspicions: Same as above. Neutral read on Mallow.

Page 4:
Zang posts his opinion about RVS wagons...and nothing else. See what I said yesterday about mallow.
Tazaro continues the discussion (which is completely pointless) and despite bringing up Zang's lack of posting, doesn't bother to ask him his opinions. OK.
Taz makes his second protown action of the day by saying he thinks Scott is scummy. Not sure if I agree, I think Scott-town has acted similarly before(yay meta).
That doesn't make him town though. Reck's defense of Scott looks like coaching Taz.
Reck brings up a good point about Travis' wishy-washiness. Vote for Reck and maybe I won't be as suspicious of you, Travis.
d3x asks questions but gives no answers. Do not want.
Bloodcovenent makes his first failpost (and I was so hoping you'd act townie...). Zang? Wtf? I don't agree on the RVS wagon, and BC doesn't even comment on the wishy-washy thing. Why? Cautious scum despite the fact that he just admitted to making a similar claim as town in another game? Yeah no. This is bandwagoning.
Suspicions: BC, Reck, Taz, Travis...damn, this list is growing too big.

Page 5:
I didn't see Scott's vote as a bandwagon vote, I saw it as him voting for someone with a different opinion than him. Overreacting much?
Taz starts to look less scummy with good point on Zang...and then fails with his post on Travis. Nice try.
BC seems very aggressive, but does have a good point. Newbie defense only works so much.
But then I notice...oh yeah...Travis didn't use the newbie defense. He used the "I played like this in a game as town so it's not scummy" defense. One completed game is still a meta, even if it is weak evidence.
BC and Taz get into a stupid argument because BC doesn't realize that Taz was referring to Travis playing the newbie card, not BC.
Scott wins townie award of page 5.

Why don't you just vote him?

I want to ponder whether I can see BloodCovenent's doing that stuff as a townie. And why do YOU ask, Scott?

Why does Scott ask about you doing something that looks scummy? Wtf?
Tazaro's posts just get more and more confusing. I dunno what defenses he's making now, but it just looks scummy (ad-lib? wtf is that?)
Suspicions: Not much change from yesterday, although BC's aggressiveness disturbs me. Travis is either panicking/flailing town or scum,
can't tell which.

Page 6:
The "it was a joke" defense only works so much.

I see U XScorpion. Browse and assimilate the info.

Did I not promise content by the end of the day? Unlike your posts, this one is more than a few sentences.
If Zang is actually here though and not posting then that increases my suspicion of him.

Anyway, it's time to vote.

Vote: Tazaro

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@mod: I voted Taz.

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@Taz:
Irrelevant sexuality is irrelevant. I still see buddying.
I don't like your continuing use of "if you're scum," and you are using it a lot. WIFOM is not pro-town.
By the way, any reason you aren't voting someone?

@BC: Do you seriously think Zang is more likely to be scum than the rest of non-Travis town?

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You obviously think Travis is scum, I'm just wondering why you think Zang's scummier than everyone else (not including Travis).
What about his two posts says that he's scummier than mellow, who voted randomly, or Vibebox/me, who didn't post at all, or Taz who has been very suspicious, or Reck who looks like he's buddying?

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xRECKONERx, looking forward to seeing you!

"constant"?

Unvote; Vote: Coach Travis

Not a random vote.

Mmm, no. Scott's town too. Let's keep trying.

It's more of Reckoner's buddying of you than vice versa.
Reckoner seems nice because he is buddying you, just like Jason seems irritating because he is voting for you. See what's going on here?
If I had to take a guess at a scumteam, you're right, I'd think it's you and Reckoner. I'm not setting anything up: this team looked obvious to me from the moment you guys started acting so friendly towards each other. See my post regarding day 2.

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Not us both being mafia which you were implying.

Whoa, I never said anything about that. Guilty conscience, sir?

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Buddying implies we are a scum pair.

No. Scum can buddy town too. I guess you just haven't seen it before?

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I theorize that Reck's buddying makes him scummy. That is all.
I suggested Ghostwriter as scum because he acted suspiciously early in the game, then left.
Starbuck is absent, no point speculating on someone who isn't here.

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the Tazaro wagon came back recently when Jason said it was scummy to constantly FoS someone without voting. Which I completely agree with.

FoS: Tazaro

Lol. Funny joke. Just kidding, it's not funny at all. Vote, please. For Taz if you want, for your alternative scum read otherwise.

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@Anyone - is defamation a scum tell?

I find it more indicative of tunneling than of scum. Which is still bad.

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Awesome. Now why are you voting Starbuck exactly?

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Sorry, missed that.

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I use FoS to indicate I wish I could vote for someone but I'm already voting for someone equally or more scummy.
If only I had double-vote powers...

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I'm going to FoS mallow for coming back without posting any content at all and still being useless.
Make a post like the first one I did, then we can discuss. Otherwise gtfo.

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I think Mallow believes I had scum intentions when I asked Travis why he was voting Starbuck (the first vote count on page 6 listed him as voting Starbuck, I didn't see him place a vote immediately after).

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Maybe if you didn't joke about so many things during RVS that could be interpreted as scummy you wouldn't have this problem, Taz.
Food for thought.

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Hmm, more wishy-washy behavior and WIFOM from Taz.
Yeah, I like my vote.

@Ghostwriter: I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying that the way you phrased your response sounded like a threat. If I was in your position, I wouldn't have said anything about Taz looking for reasons to vote me...if he started tunneling, that means he's likely scum. If he doesn't tunnel, then you have nothing to worry about.

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Hey, don't feel bad. For all I know, you're actually the best Jester of all time :O

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Well no one is a perfect player after less than a month of playing

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It's not like I'm going to unvote Taz because I'm afraid he's a jester or something...

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They won't. Lurkers are good targets for investigation since scum aren't likely to target them.

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Travis is either panicking/flailing town or scum,
can't tell which.

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I didn't like Scott's vote on me too much, but I don't think he's scummy. I know my stance on the one issue isn't particularly common. However, the way xRECKONERx twisted my one post around like that, doesn't sit too well with me. He's getting a scummier read right now, Taz is predictably calming down a bit and I don't find him scummy at the moment.

This was basically the scummiest thing I could find...he posts lots of reads, but doesn't vote, and gives more town reads than scum reads. Wishy-washy behaviour is scummy.

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so he's either scum or town. either way he's flailing/panicking.... awesome work guys. -.-

There's a reason I'm not voting for him.

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Oh fun.
I'll keep my vote around till the replacement does something useful. If he does, my eyes are on Reckoner and mallow.

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unvote
Vote: Mallowgeno

That was just...I have no words to explain it. Not even Taz is that bad.

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Why?
Are you going to bother actually, I dunno, commenting on the game state, or are you just gonna keep throwing out random and unfounded accusations?
At this point, the only way I could see unvoting you is if a) you get replaced, b) someone else does something so unbelievably scummy it's ridiculous (e.g. claiming scum) or c) You bother to make a post like I did when I first entered the game, discussing your views on who is scummy and what for and what you think of everything that's happened in this game [This is the option I would prefer you to choose].

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No deadline yet, so take your time and please don't be a mallowgeno who posts before reading and contributing content.

[XScorpion]

Add Zang and Reckoner to that list of 4 and you have my top 6 scum reads, in no particular order.

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What's with everyone worrying about quicklynches these days...

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From wiki:
He began as the antagonist during the second and third seasons, but in subsequent seasons, becomes something of an uneasy ally to the main characters; even so, however, throughout the series, he is persistently characterized by spontaneous coldblooded actions and the shroud of moral ambiguity.

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Sorry, could you explain what AtE is? I've never heard of that before.

Appeal to emotion. From the wiki:

An appeal to emotion is a particularly devious sort of fallacious argument, particularly in a game of unknowns such as Mafia. "If you lynch me, you'll lose!" is an easy example, but there are many others, played by both/all Factions in most games at some point. The nature of the game lends itself to appeals to fear or hope or trust.

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Vote: Reck

You know why.

Just because you missed RVS doesn't make it appropriate to jump into it now :/

Reading through Taz in ISO, I can't really find any specific examples, because he wasn't a very good player, but just the way he was acting seemed town to me. First off, he was saying way too much to be scum, way too much, and it all seemed genuine as well, not trying to hide anything.

The 'too scummy to be scum' argument doesn't fly with me.

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Go for it.
Doesn't give you any pro-town points though.

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Oh wow, didn't notice your V/LA O_o

I won't complain as long as the deadline doesn't come before you get back

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Hey BC:
Taz isn't in the game anymore.

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@Mod:

[003] A deadline will only be imposed if the game has stagnated. If so, the game will go to night with the player with the most votes lynched, no majority will be needed.

If there is a tie, is it no lynch?

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Most of his pressure is focused on the weaker players of the group and it tends to be pretty bad pressure.

'Too scummy to be scum' is not an argument and I'm seriously considering voting the next person I play with who tries to push that bs. If mallow isn't willing to contribute content, then he deserves to die, period. I don't believe in drowning myself in WIFOM trying to distinguish bad players from scum players. Townies should post content, scumhunt, and generally try to be useful. A lack of motivation to do these things is purely scummy, as town has absolutely no reason not to try as hard as possible to catch scum or at the very least, help the rest of town identify who is scum.
I see Mallow as scum because he simply shows a lack of willingness to contribute. I don't need him to make a post as long as mine was, but at the very least he could make a post like:
"I think so and so is scummy because:
i think what's his face is scummy because:"
etc.
But we haven't gotten this from him. All we've gotten is short quips about things that get no explanation and barely help anyone understand what's going on in his mind. I'll unvote him as soon as I get a clear indication of what he thinks about the game thus far, but as you said, such a post is unlikely to come, so I don't see why I should let him live. I don't even mind if it's not a 'page-by-page breakdown' - I'm just asking for a post like the one you just made. The closest I have to this is ISO 7, which is pathetic.

Why would mellow getting replaced change your scum read?

It wouldn't, but the replacement is almost definitely more likely to be give clear thoughts on the game, which might convince me that his slot isn't just trying to coast along through the game.

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like misrepresenting Tazaro

It's only misrepresenting if he's actually town. Do you know this for a fact?

In fact, he mentions Mallow's "short quips", ignoring that he himself does that quite often, while using quotes to make the posts seem larger than they are.

The 'defense' I just posted is longer than any post Mallow has made in the entire game. What do you have to say to that?

He tries to dismiss WIFOM, but that's really all the case he has against Mallow's play comes down to. Mallow is about as townie as Taz was, just on the opposite end of the spectrum.

And I think both are scummy. My case against his play isn't WIFOM, it's as simple as "he is not helping town therefore he is scummy." Do you think people who don't help town are scummy or not? Taz acted scummy too, but at least LMP has provided a decent amount of content such that I don't think he is the best lynch for the day.

Truth be told, there's a stronger case against me made by you that would be a better basis for a continued vote, but I think you've stuck with Mallow so long due to the reaction he had to a single vote, which allowed for a lot of supporting of his lynch, making it easier on you to simply nitpick at him to try to garner the rest of the support needed to lynch him.

So basically (forgive me if I paraphrase this incorrectly), you think I'm scum because mallow had a scummy reaction to a vote on him and I'm trying to lynch him because I think he's scum, as opposed to voting for you because you've been almost as useless as him in this game (the only difference being that you overreacted to be threatened with a vote, whereas he overreacted to getting one vote, and you at least decided to give a reasonable explanation for your vote [the first one you've made in the game so far, wtf btw] before you made it). If it really makes you feel better I'll vote for you, but I'm not convinced you're scum.


Also what happened to this?

However, Mallow, you damn sure aren't helping anything by all of this. Either actually defend yourself, start listing FoS's that aren't seemingly only based on OMGUS, or kindly announce that you are mafia and give up the correct way instead of this floundering that has me thinking you as town rather than mafia.

Was his claim really that effective at convincing you he is town? Why are you so ready to believe him?

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If he flips scum, then my interpretation of what he said would be correct, would it not?

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For one, it's altogether too scummy to be a safe-claim.

There it is again. Why does everyone insist on defending people by saying they're too scummy to be scum?
Has anyone also considered the possibility that he's scum and was given a fake-claim?

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And would you believe him? A town role that stops night kills without having to target a player seems way too overpowered.

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La la la...

If I said that scorpions were by nature an evil creature and started tunneling you for it, what would you do?

Absolutely nothing. Assuming town wasn't useless, someone would eventually realize 'hey wait a sec d3x is tunneling xscorpion for an argument that is completely stupid.'

You said it yourself when you pointed out Taz's fishing for a case on GW.

Exactly. I was the non-useless town in the above example who realized 'hey wait a sec taz is tunneling gw for an argument that is completely stupid.' The thing is, GW's reaction wasn't the same reaction I would make (do nothing), which made me suspicious. Taz still looks worse for it though, hence why I voted him.

What questions was I asked that I couldn't answer? Mostly my post that you are refering to had to do with calling out players not really commenting on the game. I felt that there was a lot of static and coming from some people. I also feel like the response I got from CT was worth the question, even if it took a week+ to make anything of it.

You don't have to answer questions to post content lol. Your questions were good, but you didn't really clarify where you stood on the issue of who you thought was scummy. It's pretty obvious now though, so I feel better.

P.S. So far Travis' hate on reckoner was due to misrep, so I find it sort of odd that the 'buddying' argument that I used came out of nowhere...

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So you're saying that all townies that don't contribute need to die?

Yes.

What if we go into lylo or mylo?

Then I blame town for losing, like I usually do when they suck.

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Oh. Now I know who Sotty is ^_^
Also, in reference to Gonzo...are you talking about the Pied Piper role? Because that's one shot. Mallow never said his ability was one-shot.

OK, this whole BC thing is completely dependent on how Mallow's role works.
@Mallow: Just to be clear - you can choose to roleblock all non-scum each night, and when you get lynched (or nightkilled? please specify), all non-scum are roleblocked the next night. Is this true? Also is your ability to choose to roleblock everyone one-shot or not?

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Well the day power is significantly different from Mallow's supposed ability. Although I'm still unclear as to how it (mallow's) works exactly.

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You totally didn't answer the parts I wanted you to answer, including:
Does it trigger when you get lynched?
Does it trigger when you get nightkilled?
You can choose to do it every night?

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Ugh.
As horrible as Mallow's play has been so far, I'm starting to get convinced that he's town.

unvote

I'll wait for Fur's analysis before I decide which of CT/BC I think is scum.

[XScorpion]

Dear scum:

Please kill Mallow tonight. It would make me happy.

Sincerely,
XScorpion

[XScorpion]

I dunno bout you, but I would love scum to kill Mallow for me. It's not like he's pro-town in any way...

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...Just realized that drshotty is in this game and is still alive.

vote: drshotty

Can you give me a non-sheeping argument for your vote?

[XScorpion]

Dear Mallow,

If I was vig, you wouldn't be worth my bullet.

Yours truly,
XScorpion

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Why is that?

[XScorpion]

And you are voting for him because...?

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Please tell me the guilty one is drshotty. It would make my day.

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Now I REALLY hope shotty is the scum.

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Dr why are you always fakeclaiming in games? It's just not cool.
Even in our last game...fakeclaim as doctor when you were town? Please stop ruining my games.

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No.

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Give me a full role-claim, please.

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Here`s what we do.
Kill Sotty`s guilty target.
If it`s not Drshotty, lynch me the next day, then kill shotty after when I flip town.
I`ll just claim now (might as well): Eduardo Rivera, vanilla townie.

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YOUR FULL ROLECLAIM PLEASE.

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Alright, now I`ll start by asking why you didn`t immediately claim cop with a guilty, and why you unvoted.

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I didn't want to counter claim and get the other cop Lynched

Why would we lynch him?

I also had no case on you other than my results

Why would that stop you from calling me out?

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How is it a counterclaim when we don't know how many cops there are?
And why would we want to lynch Sotty?

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Yeah I don't think he was referring to cops with guilty results.
Sure both cops will die, but assuming you are both actually telling the truth, you caught two scum, so what's the big loss?

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DrShotty seemed to believe otherwise. Why?

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What kind of stupid question is that?
Because I'm town, duh!

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Well either you are lying or paranoid or insane or someone is a tailor.

[XScorpion]

Let's kill this horrible scum.

vote: Drshotty.

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I think you overestimate Shotty.

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Just an FYI...GW is town. He already claimed.

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I like how he still wants to lynch me despite the fact that he has been counterclaimed. It's as though he doesn't even realize he's been caught.

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I still think we lynch shotty first, just because we know for a fact that one of Shotty or GW is scum.

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Whatever. Either one is fine.

unvote
Vote: D3x

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That's why I voted for him yesterday lol...he had basically posted nothing (didn't he replace Reckoner?)
Also I doubt there are only 2 scum in a 12 player game...there is probably either a 3rd scum or a 3rd party, leaning towards 3rd scum because no one died last night.

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Lol...here's the extent of how much Reckoner had to say about d3x:

I like d3x.

Awesome.

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We could always lynch shotty today and d3x (if he survives, which is unlikely if he's telling the truth) tomorrow...

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Sotty- I think you mean princess-ish roles.

Also d3x: Why didn't you tell us you were 'slimed' at the beginning of the day? What reason would you have for keeping it secret?

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Why would Lynching me tomorrow over today be more beneficial to the Town?

Because you may or may not be lying, whereas I know for sure that Shotty is lying. I guarantee shotty won't be killed by scum tonight, but assuming you're telling the truth, you might.

Where are you getting the 1st 'princess-ish' Role?

Did you miss the part where mallowgeno claimed? Pay attention.

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But the other thing that really bothers me about his claim and is making me FoS him is that he totally forgot about my doctornes. He should have asked me to protect him.

What.
The.
Hell.

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Are you claiming doctor now?

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then...vote him? lol.

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I think Sotty is the appropriate person to defend at this point

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What's wrong would be that it would mean sotty isn't protected

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Yes
The real cop
not the fake one

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Don't people get banned from this site for doing things like that?
Fakeclaiming cop as town and saying you got guilties on people?

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Well first, you don't know I'm scum (because I'm not, duh)
Second, that is probably the worst way you could have tried to make your case.
Third, I'm surprised you haven't been banned.

OK, suppose you really are townie. Give me a role name please.

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That's gotta be the worst fake-claim ever.

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Just get a replacement for Starbuck...

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Vote: drshotty

sotty is still alive? Awesome. Investigation results plz.

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7 town to 1 scum. (6 town if they NK someone tonight)
Odds are looking NICE.
Sucks that we couldn't find out who shotty's partner is though. Guess that's work for tomorrow?

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On the plus side, at least we know starbuck is town so i'm slightly less annoyed than the rest of you.
If sotty didn't investigate her I'd probably share GW/Jason's sentiments though.

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You could at least PRETEND like you were paying attention to this game...

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Let's not request for sotty to target certain people. Better that the scum don't know who he's aiming for.

[XScorpion]

well you have a whole night phase to catch up, so plenty of time right? ^_^

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Mallow, I wish the best for you and your cousin.

Definitely didn't notice.
I feel bad now

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still feel bad now

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6 town, 1 scum.
If we miss, 4 town 1 scum
If we miss, 2 town 1 scum.
If we miss, lose.
So...we have 3 shots, and hopefully some more investigations from sotty.
CT, Mallow, LMP are my top picks (I think GW is confirmed). Lynch order does not matter IMO.

Vote: Coach Travis

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That counterclaim gives GW uber town points in my book. I never did believe Mallow was pro-town. He sure as hell doesn't act like it.

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Works for me.
CT lynch time?

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Omfg I totally just realized CML has scott pilgrim in his avatar.

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3rd party? 8D

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Wow.
You didn't even mention me in the scumtopic.
I feel like I didn't do much this game XD