Mini 1016: Quick and Dirty - Game Over

[Bunnylover]

Hind I thought we were friends D:<
I thought....I thought we had something special <3
And I'm not going to vote anyone right now. I want to see how everyone plays the game then I will determine my vote.

[Bunnylover]

What Butterman says. Fate the way you go about wants me to vote against you, but I dislike Parama way of posting less D:<.
Plus he self voted himself. Who does that?

Vote Parama

[Bunnylover]

Also you don't need to be a good scumhunter to see that Bunny and Jack are scum

Randomly throwing stones at people because they voted against you is not a good reason to say they are scum.
Anyone who votes against you must be scum, in your logic I guess.

[Bunnylover]

Ok I guess I should start explaining myself.

Also you don't need to be a good scumhunter to see that Bunny and Jack are scum

Randomly throwing stones at people because they voted against you is not a good reason to say they are scum.
Anyone who votes against you must be scum, in your logic I guess.

So you think my reason for voting you is OMGUS?

*headdesk* no. Your vote on me reads like, "Ooh! Easy bandwagon gogo!" and your only real logic against me is that I self-voted. In RVS. Which, to me, is about screwing around and looking for slip-ups. Now I've found one though

Also, Fate, I want you to keep your vote on me, because I find your posts amusing.

When you voted for me, this is the reason why I saw:
1)He voted for me.
2)I don't want to die so I should even the field with another competing wagon.
Are those not your reasons?
I voted for you because you self voted for yourself. I don't really know what RVS mean or anything like that, but if someone self votes themselves that tells me they want to throw away any suspicion on them, I mean who would think that a scum/mafia would vote for themselve? To risk them dieing on the first night? What kind of mafia would do that? Now my thought process was wrong, but that was my reason for voting for you.
Now as far as slip up go, what slip up happened? I voted for you, didn't give a strong reason in my post, you claimed I was scum, unvoted yourself, and voted for me for the reason I stated above.

What Butterman says. Fate the way you go about wants me to vote against you, but I dislike Parama way of posting less D:<.

What do you dislike about Parama and Fates way of posting?

Im new so I'm guessing that Fate and Parama are known players on this site, and they show it. Maybe its because they are just trying to get discussion started or something but in their post they are so confident that their voting is right, and they can't possibly be wrong. They just rub me the wrong way, but it probably just because I'm not use to it.

Yeah, I'm keeping my vote where it is. Bunny, what's up with not wanting to vote and then throwing your vote onto the nearest bandwagon? You literally just went "I'm not going to vote" -5-10 posts later- "Ok, I'm hopping this bandwagon" Sure Parama self voted, but he is an idiot. Also, lol@Sens. I don't think we should base pl'ing people off of what he does. If he was in this game, I'd be up for a quicklynch on him, especially after skimming through the princess game.

I think I answered you in my response to Para. Could it also be said to be a "bandwagon" if its consist of 3 votes, one of those votes been a self vote, which is just stupid so we all know he going to take it away(sorry he/she), so in actuallty its only consist of 2 votes with my vote.

What Butterman says. Fate the way you go about wants me to vote against you, but I dislike Parama way of posting less D:<.
Plus he self voted himself. Who does that?

Vote Parama

Yeah, not good enough reasoning. Trying to cast suspicion on Parama for selfvoting in RVS doesn't strike me as productive for town.

Unvote, Vote: Bunny

More than sure I answered your's in the above.

You're saying I should unvote now and say "K RVS SHITS AND GIGGLES" so that this won't count as the first wagon of the day.

Cept I think he's scum

So yeah.

No...

Yay for one word answers. They are awesome in every way possible and contribute more to the game than any other kind of answers.

What Butterman says. Fate the way you go about wants me to vote against you, but I dislike Parama way of posting less D:<.

What do you dislike about Parama and Fates way of posting?

This.

What Butterman says. Fate the way you go about wants me to vote against you, but I dislike Parama way of posting less D:<.
Plus he self voted himself. Who does that?

Vote Parama

WhatÉ You dislike his way of posting *less*. So you vote for him over the person you want to go againstÉ

One more time for posterity`s sake.

WhatÉ

(Effing question marks not working agin. Punctuation should be clear if not I will post a fixed version.)

Answered the first one, sort of. I don't know what that E stands for, so I'm just going to ignore it for now. Parama seems more suspicious then Fate.

Are you a mason with Fate, Elli?

Isn't it against the rules to ask what a person role is v_v?

[Bunnylover]

Bunny, just curious, are you new to mafia?

New to mafia, no.
I've played 4 games, but not on this site so their are some things I'm not use to.

[Bunnylover]

Bunny, you didn't explain how you went from wanting to see what everyone thought to hopping onto a bandwagon. Answer the question.

Anyone want to explain how the para wagon is? Is it just an epic PL or does Fate have mind-reading powers?

I vote for him because he was the first person who gained my suspicion, I thought I said that or at least mentioned it or something D:<.
My statement was that I wouldn't vote till I see people post and stuff, right? I did see people post, and I made my decision. It probably was quick, but I made it.

[Bunnylover]

Bunny, you didn't explain how you went from wanting to see what everyone thought to hopping onto a bandwagon. Answer the question.

Anyone want to explain how the para wagon is? Is it just an epic PL or does Fate have mind-reading powers?

I vote for him because he was the first person who gained my suspicion, I thought I said that or at least mentioned it or something D:<.
My statement was that I wouldn't vote till I see people post and stuff, right? I did see people post, and I made my decision. It probably was quick, but I made it.

Translation: I'm going to lurk until a bandwagon starts and then jump on it.

Not to mention the fact that you apparently made your decision on who to vote for based on posting styles, which doesn't make any sense outside of RVS, which I think it'd be hard to argue you were doing.

Alright before we go on what is RVS?
And don't put words in my mouth. I did not state that nor did I imply it or anything. I gave my reason why I voted for him, I don't get why I am getting gang up on, when (sorry for shifting spotlight) Parama voted for me just to start another competing band wagon. But no, lets ignore that fact, lets all just freaking ignore that because their is nothing wrong with that.
Btw your post is kinda contridicting. you state that I joined because of the bandwagon, but then you say that I voted because of posting styles.
Now I will post this again, my reason to why I voted against him:
He self voted for him. In my eyes that would be a sign that oh look at him, a mafia wouldn't risk himself and self vote him, he must be townie. That is the logic I get from that, which would work unless he is mafia. So it reverse psychology in my eyes.

[Bunnylover]

RVS=Random Voting Stage. It's the part of games where you vote people for no reason in order to get things started.

Here's my problem with your response (aside from its repeated AtE, or Appeal to Emotion):

This is the reason you initially gave for your vote. (Bold is mine)

What Butterman says.

I assume this is Buttonman, so what you're referring to is this statement: "@FATE: Just remember while I don't mind your style as it's great for generating discussion too much distortion of noise:content ratio is anti-town."

Fate the way you go about wants me to vote against you,

Again, referring to Fate's style of play.

but I dislike Parama way of posting less D:<.

And here you reference Parama's style of play. In your defense, I think what you meant to say is "I dislike Parama's way of *posting less*" where the problem is Parama's "posting less," not just Parama's posting in general. This clears up Aranneas' confusion.

Plus he self voted himself. Who does that?

His self voting was done in the random vote stage (RVS) and I don't think it can be "read" in a traditional sense as a result. What's more interesting (and, usually, the point of random voting) is how others react to the random votes.

Now, however, you're saying you're only voting for him due to the self-voting, which is a pretty weak argument. Yes, your scenario with self-voting makes sense, but I don't think it's something only scum would do at this stage in the game. It's something scum might do later in a game, as part of a last-ditch effort to save themselves, but now it wouldn't make much sense.

And the reason for the contradiction for my post is that I'm saying two distinct things. The reason you're giving for why you voted Parama is posting styles (and now apparently self-voting). The real reason is because you saw a bandwagon you could jump on.

So why are you even bothering asking for my reason if you aren't going to listen to them and just go with your reason?
YEAH LET ME JOIN THE BAND WAGON THAT HAS 3 PEOPLE, ONE INCLUDING THAT ITS THE SELF VOTER!
Thats a band wagon?
^ Sorry if it sounds rude, kinda irritated.
Let see, he post that he self votes himself, which is his posting style, which would make my reason make sense wouldn't it?
By the way, a mafia person isn't going to use the same tactic every single game, so you have to constantly think outside the box. You said the mafia would do this later on in the game, that could be true, which if you knew I would assume mafia know, so they wouldn't follow that rule and do it earlier or not do it at all.

He self voted for him. In my eyes that would be a sign that oh look at him, a mafia wouldn't risk himself and self vote him, he must be townie. That is the logic I get from that, which would work unless he is mafia. So it reverse psychology in my eyes.

And this is because you take my RVS posting seriously.
I love to screw around. I do it every chance I get. Self-voting in RVS is a fun way of screwing around.

Also, this.

The reason you're giving for why you voted Parama is posting styles (and now apparently self-voting). The real reason is because you saw a bandwagon you could jump on.

I just learned what RVS is so I didn't know that this is just a goofing off stage, where you randomly vote without a reason. If this is RVS then why am I getting attacked? Its a random voting stage where you vote randomly without a reason. I did one thing above that and GAVE a reason. Does that mean if I didn't post a reason everything would be ok?
And once again, no to the band wagon theory.

[Bunnylover]

This isn't RVS. It passed that a while ago. There isn't a defined end to it, but it's based on perspective. Anyways, our votes are on you because you look the scummiest here. If you didn't post a reason, I'd only be completely assured you're scum since you said you'd wait till others posted so you could vote earlier. Parama, for once, I think being an idiot has caught us a live one.

You said the mafia would do this later on in the game, that could be true, which if you knew I would assume mafia know, so they wouldn't follow that rule and do it earlier or not do it at all.

Like I said, Parama is an idiot. There's no judging his actions so he gets PL'd alot.

Elli: Why do you think that?

Well I now see that he is one. If I had known previous to my vote, my thought process on him would had been different, I wouldn't have thought he would be using reverse psychology.

[Bunnylover]

Switz, Hinduragi voted for me because I costed him the game in another mafia :<.
He doesn't trust me :<.

[Bunnylover]

Aranneas he the person I find suspicious (at least to me) now. Because of the way this day has gone, me and him are the only one to have built up suspicions so far.

[Bunnylover]

Voted himself, unvoted himself, voted Bunny, unvoted Bunny, and then voted Jack. The last 2 being what you could arguably say are competing bandwagons for his lynch. The Bunny wagon I could see reasons for at the time. The only actual post I'd consider suspicious that he linked was Jack asking for L-1.

This. Parama is all over the place with his voting. He thinks this person is scum, then thinks this is scum, then this, then this. Now since this is RVS (right?) I could understand switching votes because discussion is been made, but he is switching his votes to bandwagons. He started the bandwagon on himself (he + Fate, then me and Jack and Eliz), ok I can understand if that was a joke vote and what not, but then he votes me to start a competing wagon, then he votes Jack to join his bandwagon.
3 bandwagons he has been in. His own which he was in as a joke, mine to protect himself which the wagon failed, and now Jack's.
What I find funny is that he didn't switch again to Hind after the bandwagon started on him.
Also for the person who said that Parama is a scum hunter, really? He has like 4 people he think are scum where this game is most likely holding 2 scum. All he doing is saying I think this person is scum, this one, this one, oh not that one, this one. He is someone I wouldn't want leading us as a scum hunter.
Basically what I'm saying is that Parama seems the most scummiest out of us all.
And I really hope my defense doesn't backfire if Hind is lynch and turns out to be mafia :<.
But the same hold true if Parama is lynch and turns out to be mafia for Fate.

[Bunnylover]

Ara do you have the same alignment as Button? Don't answer I don't know.

HI

Unvote, vote Hindu

Can you give us a reason for you voting Hindu :<?

[Bunnylover]

:< Their not much to post.
Fate and parama believe Jack and Hind are mafia.
I believe that Parama is mafia.
Switz and Aranneas believe Hind is mafia.
The only way this day would end is if Switz and Aranneas switch to Jack which would cause him to be lynched.
If that happen then more then likely Hind will be lynch the next day if they all allow an alliance between them.
Or a cop could invistigate him to prove his innocent or to prove his guiltyness.
As of now, I'm not going to change my vote.

[Bunnylover]

Your reason for voting me is because I self-voted, right?

I don't even care what you have to say.

And your reasoning for voting against me was so much better, a competing scum wagon.

[Bunnylover]

:< Their not much to post.
Fate and parama believe Jack and Hind are mafia.
I believe that Parama is mafia.
Switz and Aranneas believe Hind is mafia.
The only way this day would end is if Switz and Aranneas switch to Jack which would cause him to be lynched.
If that happen then more then likely Hind will be lynch the next day if they all allow an alliance between them.
Or a cop could invistigate him to prove his innocent or to prove his guiltyness.
As of now, I'm not going to change my vote.

Ok, first of all, I have changed my vote, as you could tell be reading only a few posts above.

Second of all, your reasons for voting Parama are:
Self-voting
OMGUSing/creating a competing wagon
Switching his vote around a lot

These reasons are not sufficient. Especially when you're using them as fodder to tunnel like nobody's business.

Sorry, when I made my post, I was referring back to the topic creater :<
But what does "fodder to tunnel" mean, I haven't heard someone say that before so I'm clueless to that.
And I'm guessing if someone is accumulating votes who is believed to be mafia, they won't ever think of the idea to make a competing wagon right? I mean that just absurd that they would try and do that, that they would try and stop themselves from getting voted off.

[Bunnylover]

Bunny, do you even understand the cases against Hindu and Jack?

P.S. Hindu's recent post makes me feel he's town if Jack flips scum.

Against Jack somewhat.
You posted 3 reason why you voted against Jack.
1) He voted for you for abandoning your self vote.
2)He wanted to put you at l-1
3)I don't understand that one :<

I don't understand why against Hind, I don't see what he done to make people think he scum other then the fact of voting against you :<.

Sadly a lot of your votes have either been for someone voting against you and you claiming they were scum, or joining a bandwagon.

[Bunnylover]

Woah, time out and

Unvote

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Why is it so necessary that we kill Jack, a claimed 1-shot vig, on Day 1? If he is telling the truth, him taking a shot overNight would make him a confirmed townie.
............
Of course, if only one person dies tonight he would almost have to be lynched. But that goes without saying.

Both of those statments are completely false, one of them is also scummy.

Letting him live the night and not directing his shot is the best play in my opinion.

Why shouldn't we direct his shot?

[Bunnylover]

Is my death worth confirming Jack's supposed killing ability?

IS IT?

IS IT?

I have no problem with it unless I've missed something. Why should I particularly care about your life? If jack is a vigilante or SK pretending to be vigilante and shoots you, i don't see us as any worse off.

lol so mean, but so true. I agree on the fact that Jack should live. Why? Just look at everyone agurements. If he telling the truth, the townies have a chance to kill a mafia, and frankly Fate I don't believe your townie, so when Jack said he was going to one shot you, that was even more reason for him to live.

[Bunnylover]

unvote, vote: Bunnylover

Still a very valid wagon IMO

Care to explain why?
You really haven't stated a reason why to vote me yet, other then counter wagon, unless I missed one of your post.

[Bunnylover]

Damn it you're right. For some reason I thought we had more time but with deadline tomorrow we're just going to have to bite the bullet.

Vote: Jack

nevermind, I'll vig switz

unvote, vote:thebuttonman

Changing your vote and quoting that makes me believe that you are lying now.

unvote, vote:Jack

@Parama: The only reason you believe I am not scum hunting, is because I suspect you to be scum.

[Bunnylover]

lol I can't believe the game already over.
Told ya that Parama was scum v_v.
Still surprise it ended :<