Mafia 1013 - Prozacs Basic Theme - Game has ENDED

[StrangerCoug]

StrangerCoug

- If you were mafia, who would your partners be in this game?

I want to be scum with Flameaxe and probably xvart.

And

vote: Flameaxe

for sucking.

[StrangerCoug]

Jack's vote is interesting. Since it's still kind of RVS-ish (there are serious votes starting to come around now), I'm not ready to jump on him, but I'd like to know what he thinks of Fishythefish's most recent posts.

[StrangerCoug]

^ Dislike your phrasing. Elaborate on Jack?

His vote without reasoning is noted, but I don't know what to make of it right now. I'm not 100% sure if it's an RVS vote or a blatantly opportunistic vote on Blackberry. I plan to use what he thinks of Fishythefish to gauge which one is more likely.

[StrangerCoug]

I agree with StrangerCoug though, why is thinking about how I am seen by others make me more likely scum?

I didn't voice my taking a stance on the matter. I only said that it's possible that Jack's vote on you is opportunistic. (If anything having to do directly with you, I do think about what I write as town, too.)

[StrangerCoug]

I'm not quite sure I understand your accusation then, Budja.

[StrangerCoug]

SC was tiptoing around his opinion, calling Jacks vote "interesting" for example.

Fine. Noteworthy. You happy?

[StrangerCoug]

Fine. Noteworthy. You happy?

After that statement, my vote shall remain.

Being flippant is not a tell. Sorry.

[StrangerCoug]

I never said it was a tell. You just did. I WILL say that that just makes me suspect you more and I think you just slipped.

This is an outright lie. I made no statement that being flippant is indeed a tell, so your case on me has absolutely no bearing.

Unvote
Vote: mallowgeno

[StrangerCoug]

SC - I would like you to elaborate on your vote for mallow.

Look at my posts in ISO and tell me if and where I contradict myself. Before he claimed that I said being flippant is a tell, he would make more sense to me as misguided. I'm made more confident that he's actually scum by the fact that he's also OMGUS'd Mitsuru Kirijo. Granted, she did not explain her vote, but I really don't think she can be faulted if she's paying attention.

Jack, I asked for your opinion on Fishythefish; have you given it?

[StrangerCoug]

EBWOP: I'd be uncomfortable with my vote regardless of my alignment because I was still random voting.

[StrangerCoug]

EBWOP #2: Mitsuru Kirijo

DID

explain her vote. Just not immediately.

[StrangerCoug]

Although he is misreading mallow. Which I suppose he is equally likely to do as town as he is as scum.

I'm trying to pinpoint what's with this. It's not a tell either way—in fact, it makes statistical sense—but the wording doesn't seem right. Would I care about misreads as scum?

[StrangerCoug]

Although he is misreading mallow. Which I suppose he is equally likely to do as town as he is as scum.

I'm trying to pinpoint what's with this. It's not a tell either way—in fact, it makes statistical sense—but the wording doesn't seem right. Would I care about misreads as scum?

1/3 of what I originally found scummy about your vote post was the "this is an outright lie" part. It isn't (mallow just meant that you brought the question of whether it was a tell into the argument).

The sentence "You just did" leads me to believe that it is otherwise. Look at his actual post:

I never said it was a tell. You just did. I WILL say that that just makes me suspect you more and I think you just slipped.

To me, that implies that, because I said being flippant is a tell, I have slipped and therefore become scummier.

Look what happens to the meaning if we delete the sentence in contention:

I never said it was a tell. I WILL say that that just makes me suspect you more and I think you just slipped.

That would tell me that, because I brought whether being flippant is a tell into the argument, I have slipped and therefore become scummier.

Do you interpret the original post and the modified post differently from what I do?

[StrangerCoug]

My read on Jack's starting to go sour...

[StrangerCoug]

@Llama, what opinion do you have of coug's vote?

Are you paying attention? He answers this at the bottom of #100 before anybody even asks.

FoS: Budja

[StrangerCoug]

Best case scenario, the failure to pay attention is anti-town. You should be up to speed on things. (Then again, I triple-posted here and your post implies that I misinterpreted the sentence for which I FoS'd you. YMMV, apparently.)

[StrangerCoug]

I want everyone's opinions on llama in folllowing post. Failure to do so would make me extremely angry.

He'd be fine in my book if he didn't post #129. Anybody who cannot conceive his reason for voting Jack being insulting has lost all emotions whatsoever.

[StrangerCoug]

Jack 94 - What part of saying scoug said something that he completely didn't isn't a blatant fabrication?

No I agree completely, you are misreading him I think. His english isn't that good.

You are telling another player that a native speaker of English isn't good at it? When I was in high school, I was the copy editor for our newspaper, so I feel a tad insulted here.

And psst... You're not supposed to use spoiler tags.

This is an outright lie.

And why did he do that as scum do you think?

Let's think of the ways it's beneficial for town to lie, shall we? Kokusho's Gambit, bomb trying to draw a kill... Not that many.

I made no statement that being flippant is indeed a tell, so your case on me has absolutely no bearing.

What's his case on you? I just see a couple poorly put together comments.

As far as I can tell, being flippant and trying to deny that's a tell. Weak as hell, I agree.

If he's scum he's bad scum.

So?

Unvote
Vote: mallowgeno

How do you feel about lynching him?

I'm quite confident until he explains himself.

[StrangerCoug]

"You are telling another player that a native speaker of English isn't good at it? When I was in high school, I was the copy editor for our newspaper, so I feel a tad insulted here."

I was talking about mallow.

That makes better sense to me.

[StrangerCoug]

@Scoug: I'm pretty sure I said I was voting him for being annoying. It's an emotion vote with a side of scumminess.

I'm talking about mallowgeno's vote. (Where is mallowgeno, anyway?)

[StrangerCoug]

Gah what is it that you want me to explain? You and Mitsuru both said that I'm confusing you, but you're the ones who are confusing me.

I got a daycop result on you...it said you were guilty but the flavor hinted at miller (townie who appears guilty), is that really your role?

I'm not ready to accept this claim as true. Why are you outing yourself so early, and why are you suggesting that mallowgeno is a miller?

[StrangerCoug]

ebwop: It broke my beautiful diagram. Discussing playstyle was supposed to link to thinking about appearances.

Stick a bunch of periods in front of what you want moved from the left side.

[StrangerCoug]

oh hellz nah man, I am lazy. I'm just a little overzealous in addition to being lazy, which is quite possibly the strangest combination of traits I've come across.

*attempts to make heads and tails out of this*
*fails*

Excuses? They aren't excuses, they were factors in my decision making process. I know I made a vote on Jack that was based mostly on emotion, but there were some actual reasons in there as well.

Help us find them please.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm not ready to accept this claim as true. Why are you outing yourself so early, and why are you suggesting that mallowgeno is a miller?

Claiming cop is only bad if there is a roleblocker. Mafia may have a day roleblocker (weird) but we probably have a doc. Even if we don't, mafia may be too scared to try to kill a cop until the doc has been killed.

This is too much setup/nightkill speculation for my liking. For balance reasons, there usually isn't both a cop and a doctor, and even when there are both the Mafia's often given a roleblocker. Why do you think the possible F11 setups are what they are?

I would also think that it'd actually be a little worse for an outed cop without a roleblocker or doctor as it increases the claimed cop's chances of a nightkill. If the cop is wide of the mark with his suspicions and sufficiently scummy, they might not even bother so as to cast suspicion on the cop—maybe even set up a counterclaim instead.

@Coug: Go read page 7, I'm pretty sure I posted them there.

Two of your three given reasons for him there are crap. Being annoying is not a tell and being "pissed off for no discernible reason" needs some backing to it to be one, which I don't see in the post in question. The evasiveness is valid.

[StrangerCoug]

A question to everyone in this thread: Do you believe Jack's claim?

No. In fact, I'm wondering whether it's more in my interests to vote him over mallowgeno right now.

@xvart, Strangercoug, Mitsuru - We are lynching llama today.

I see the case, but I will vote llamaeatataco when the wagons on both Jack and mallowgeno lose their legs.

[StrangerCoug]

For me to get a VI read is extremely rare.

[StrangerCoug]

EBWOP: As for mallowgeno, mostly how he represented me regarding the flippancy tell and the setup speculation.

[StrangerCoug]

That I sincerely think what, that I don't get VI reads all that often or that mallowgeno is scummy for misrepresenting me and the setup speculation?

[StrangerCoug]

I think I'll get more information lynching Jack over mallowgeno, so

unvote mallowgeno

. I want to be sure of the count before voting Jack.

Let it be known that this will not be solely an information lynch—there's barely a way in hell he is what he claims, he reeks a bit defensive of mallowgeno (which is why I'm starting to think they're connected), and not a lot of his logic lately makes sense.

[StrangerCoug]

Thanks, Mitsuru!

Vote: Jack

[StrangerCoug]

All I'm saying in that post was that I never said it was a tell. Stranger overreacted and said that it was a tell.

What am I supposed to do when I get voted (or, in your case, get someone to announce that their RVS vote on me stands) on clearly mistaken grounds? Sit there?

And I love your continuing the story that's the exact opposite of the truth.

that's fair enough, my playstyle changed after coming back from an absence too.

unvote, vote:coug

You, on the other hand, love voting me when you realize all you have on everybody (not everybody else, everybody) is crap, don't you? You switched to me after an admittedly lazy read of God knows what on llamaeatataco (I darn near typed LlamaFluff ) and again when you realize that you have no good reason to be voting Flameaxe.

unvote, Vote: Flameaxe

This is a good lynch too.

*attends funeral of my town read on you*

I actually did read his posts.

Whose?

[StrangerCoug]

This isn't one of the times mallowgeno can be faulted, Jack...

[StrangerCoug]

So stfu and find something original.

Do

NOT

instruct people to shut up. It's bad enough you're in my top three already.

@Town: Opinion on Anon. Nao. I want an updated opinion after this last page especially.

Anon's fine.

[StrangerCoug]

Do NOT instruct people to shut up. It's bad enough you're in my top three already.

And what would be the problem with telling people to stop repeating outdated points?

That's an entirely different matter from what I just brought up with you. If a player is failing to take recent posts into account, then by all means tell him to do so. To tell someone to shut up, however, is anti-information.

[StrangerCoug]

Jack finally starts making sense in #358. Awaiting Fishythefish's response to it; maybe I'll switch after I see it.

Anon is prob town.
My reads haven't changed. I think the best case made so far is xvarts on BB.

The best case in the game according to you arises, and yet you still hang on to a silly OMGUS vote.

I don't like your reads this game. Maybe you should start using your gut, you are off on me for example

Sure, I'll bite...

unvote, Vote: Blackberry

FoS: Raivann

for what is essentially OMGUS.

[StrangerCoug]

Damn you, Mother Nature, brewing up a lightning storm that caused a brownout knocking out my sister's Internet... Ah, well, I'm on my own now, and I remember what I had to say.

Unvote: Jack
Vote: Raivann

You're getting worse and worse. You have horrendous cases on Fishythefish (not allowing you a chance to answer him), Blackberry (voting you for calling llamaeatataco his scumbuddy), and Flameaxe (making walls of text and filling them with buzzwords). I do not buy any of those three as legitimate, and I'm pretty sure there aren't that many here that do either.

Also scum have QT's every game.

Not

EVERY

game, but it's extremely common.

[StrangerCoug]

Why would scum claim a power role per se, Fishythefish? I've done the tactic a lot myself, but don't you think there are times claiming VT is safer (such a situation was brought up in SWN II)?

[StrangerCoug]

completely offtopic comment: Holy crap Coug is a guy?

Yep. Probably no more than half the age you thought I was, too. (If you don't get my comment, then you live a sheltered life.)

[StrangerCoug]

Remind me to look into #446. The even-numbered votes look like good cases against Blackberry (somebody I had as solid town until now).

[StrangerCoug]

ITT Jack continues to vote with practically no basis.

[StrangerCoug]

xvart vs. Blackberry is starting to come off as town vs. town. Still like my suspects (Raivann, mallowgeno, llamaeatataco, and Jack in roughly that order now).

Also, I've lost track of how many times I've wanted to type LlamaFluff instead of llamaeatataco.

[StrangerCoug]

I suppose you mean post 464, as post 474 does not yet exist

[StrangerCoug]

...Never mind, Anon should be our d2 lynch.

Why are you lining up lynches?

Dammit, I keep thinking of Mitsuru as a he. And Coug as a she. If I mess up y'all's pronouns, it's not on purpose.

Mitsuru's gender is actually easy to keep straight if you've played Persona 3 before Mine may be the hard one to remember due to the sex slang usage I've hinted at before. (What I think also confuses some people is that I used to draw my fursona with long hair.)

[StrangerCoug]

I like the Raivann wagon a lot better than the Blackberry wagon. I mean, come on. Look at #484. Raivann wants the pressure on him to go away, so he's trying for the other viable lynch with very little to support it.

[StrangerCoug]

I guess Jack was drinking too much when he claimed.

More later; I have chores to do.

[StrangerCoug]

I've looked at llamaeatataco and mallowgeno, my top two suspects, in ISO. llamaeatataco seems to be going a bit up and down, while mallowgeno hasn't really done a lot of scumhunting and never gave a satisfactory answer to my counterattack on him. I also don't like his starting the day with his sudden jump on Jack, dead or alive.

Vote: mallowgeno

[StrangerCoug]

I also don't like his starting the day with his sudden jump on Jack, dead or alive.

He was voting Jack yesterday.

That's true, but what happened to the recap? Would Raivann's and Mitsuru Kirijo's deaths keep mallowgeno's opinion about Jack the same? Certainly that must change the game plan at least a little bit. I find the Mafia killing Jack a bit odd since he was acting scummy enough to trip a number of people's radars, but along that line that makes the best sense right now. I do not think Jack was vigged for balance reasons.

[StrangerCoug]

I don't have the same opinions on all of them anymore. I thought Blackberry was town, but now I'm thinking he is scum because I actually read back on my own with my own opinions. Wouldn't ya know! It's easier for me to play when I actually know what's going on and I'm not waiting for a scum to claim then be lynched!

This is extremely vague. What opinions are you talking about here?

Vote BlackBerry

In my eyes, he's most likely to be scum right now. Him or Stranger.

What makes you more inclined to lynch Blackberry than me?

Wait I just realized something. 9 of us left. arsonist, 2 scum probably, and 6 town. It's potentially mylo. Just throwing that out there.

Actually, with two scum left, we'll still be OK if we lynch, just very likely in kingmaker. Two ways town can win if we mislynch:

1. We lynch Mafia Day 3. Assuming the kills both land on town, we'll be in 1:1:1 prisoner's dilemma. If the arsonist and remaining goon know anything about strategy, they'll kill each other, giving us the win.
   
2. We lynch the arsonist Day 3, get a successful doc protection, and play from there in LYLO.

You're getting worse and worse. You have horrendous cases on Fishythefish (not allowing you a chance to answer him), Blackberry (voting you for calling llamaeatataco his scumbuddy), and Flameaxe (making walls of text and filling them with buzzwords). I do not buy any of those three as legitimate,

and I'm pretty sure there aren't that many here that do either.

The bolded is an appeal to the majority to justify his read.

Conceded. I expected a game with mostly sane people.

Why would scum claim a power role per se, Fishythefish? I've done the tactic a lot myself, but don't you think there are times claiming VT is safer (such a situation was brought up in SWN II)?

This doesn't quite feel right. The situation he cites is really irrelevant, and I just get a feel of him trying to convince me without committing too much to anything.

If the situation I'm talking about is irrelevant, then what's with this sequence of posts?

What do you assume scum would be doing in this situation?

Defending themselves. Trying to persuade people they are town. Attacking people for unrelated reasons. Trying to latch onto other bandwagons. Claiming a power role. Not continuing to do exactly what you are being attacked for.

In addition, why haven't you attacked me for this until now?

There are also a couple of times before he actually votes Raivann that SC gives suspicions on him. SC's play late yesterday seems quite careful and deliberate.

And the problem with thinking before acting is?

Other bits and pieces I don't like in SC's play; he says he likes Jack's 358 on me, and might switch when I'd responded. I'd already responded, and he never mentions it again; why not?

Around when I mentioned #358 is really the only time I've seriously suspected you. Your response to the post is reasonable, and there were scummier targets in my mind, so I moved on.

While attacking mallow, he criticises the latter's setup speculation, and then proceeds to speculate himself; more importantly, there's just nothing scummy about mallow's speculation.

mallowgeno was trying to guess roles here based on practically no in-game info. I never definitively said there were or were not any specific roles in this game; I was relying on experience.

I never saw coherent reasoning about the flippancy thing that explained why mallow would have done what he did as scum, and I really don't feel that mallow looks scummy in that sequence.

What needs clarification? I still think that's a strong case on him.

[StrangerCoug]

The situation on SWN II was irrelevant - that's what I was talking about. I don't see why you would mention there.

I was providing an example of a game where scum's safest fakeclaim was VT. The dayvig would lose his ability when he shot somebody that role or a post-restricted townie.

mallow's setup speculation:

I'm not ready to accept this claim as true. Why are you outing yourself so early, and why are you suggesting that mallowgeno is a miller?

Claiming cop is only bad if there is a roleblocker. Mafia may have a day roleblocker (weird) but we probably have a doc. Even if we don't, mafia may be too scared to try to kill a cop until the doc has been killed.

It's not necessarily right or productive, but what is scummy about this? You just said "setup speculation! scummy!" - which is more like what can you throw at mallow than genuinely thinking he's scummy.

I don't know how mallowgeno considers it likely we have a doc. It is not usually town's job to look for a power role—that's something scum more often does. Best case scenario, he sent the scum looking for possible doctor candidates.

re: mallow's flippancy. Why do you think he would do what he did as scum?

Mafia try to get rid of people through any means they can. I refuse to accept that town would say I confirmed flippancy is a tell when it's right there in front of everybody's nose that I denied it. I believe he has been requested several times to clarify, and he has not done so. I love LALiars and, while I accept that it doesn't work 100% of the time, I still find it reliable.

[StrangerCoug]

I don't see that saying "there might be a doctor" is going to help the scum, regardless of how likely it is. Even if you think it will send the scum looking for doctors, there's no reason that scum would want to do that (they'd just look for doctors without announcing it). This is pretty weak justification for finding mallow's setup speculation scummy, and makes me think I was right that you were just looking for some mud to sling at mallow.

You still don't announce role possibilities out loud.

I struggle to see why mallow would play as he did on the flippancy from any perspective. I think that lying is a scumtell; but when I just don't understand what a player was thinking (as here), my instinct is that it's a nulltell. I don't think the image of mallowscum thinking that his play was a good way to get a mislynch or defend himself rings true.

I'd be more willing to accept mallowgeno as VI if he would clarify the damn thing. He

STILL

hasn't.

[StrangerCoug]

I don't see why you wouldn't, Coug.

Why I wouldn't what?

[StrangerCoug]

I guess Jack was drinking too much when he claimed.
More later; I have chores to do.

What? You thought Jack's claim was real?

No.

If Llama is scum Coug is definitely SCUM with him. Please Coug, explain the scum MOTIVATION in his Jack vote. I dare you.

Pretty much the same motivation scum has in voting anybody not on their team, which, ironically, is the same reason town votes people—they're sufficiently scummy targets. But the more important answer is that there is no indication that he took the three deaths so far into account. Jack was just plain scummy, so if he was vigged (the already admittedly more likely probability of mafia killing Jack is odd to me), he ignored it completely and kept gunning.

[StrangerCoug]

Why the hell didn't I consider the possibility of mallowgeno being an arsonist!?

[StrangerCoug]

Why the hell didn't I consider the possibility of mallowgeno being an arsonist!?

Why would you have specifically thought of him as mafia anyway. Connections?

I rarely discriminate between mafia and SK when I try to scumhunt. Now that I feel I have it straight, mallowgeno is the most likely arsonist to me. As for most likely Mafiate, I agree with you in regards to llamaeatataco.

[StrangerCoug]

Point taken.

Still I'd rather take a shot for scum today than seek out the Arsonist. Let scum take him out.
You willing to join me on Llama, Coug?

When I have a good idea of the count.

[StrangerCoug]

Why Mafia over arsonist, Blackberry? The slip?

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: Could you do a prod check and a vote count please?

[StrangerCoug]

4.)

The Raivann wagon was quite bad. For the record, the players on the lynch wagon were:

Flameaxe, llamaeatataco, Budja, Blackberry, Strangercoug

If there are four scum, at least three of them are on this wagon. If there are three scum, at least two are on this wagon.

Unvote: StrangerCoug, Vote: Flameaxe.

This could literally be a vote for any of the five players mentioned above. Despite unvoting Strangercoug, my guess for the Mafia is Flameaxe, llamaeatataco, and Strangercoug.

What, in your mind, clears Budja and Blackberry?

[StrangerCoug]

Confucius vs. Flameaxe looks town vs. town to me, but I'll look again when I'm not distracted by what came in the mail for me today.

[StrangerCoug]

I believe Confucius's claim, but Wraith has never been a participant, so you're going to get nowhere figuring out who lynched him. Do you mean Raivann?

[StrangerCoug]

These are my preferences, based on reads during the whole game: Coug=Flameaxe>xvart>Budja. Im calling right now that Coug is mafia and Flameaxe is very likely the arsonist.

These two should be claiming in their next posts.

I am a thief. I stole from Jack day one and Confucius day two, both times to check the validity of their claims. I got a pint of beer from Jack (or Flameaxe, depending on whether the bus drive claim is true) and a syringe from Confucius, which explains these posts:

I guess Jack was drinking too much when he claimed.

I believe Confucius's claim

If the bus driver claim is true, and I think so based on how Blackberry attacked mallowgeno, then Anon, Budja and xvart should be PoE'd. The possibility exists that Flamexe is the arsonist, however (alcohol is flammable).

[StrangerCoug]

StrangerCoug, earlier you just said you did not believe Jack's claim was real. Now you say you thieved his belongings to "check the validity of [his] claim." Please explain.

Thief is a variant cop. I almost stole from mallowgeno that night, but then I remembered that I brought Jack's claim into question. It made no sense to me to do that and then steal from someone else since he was alive when Day 1 ended.

[StrangerCoug]

Stranger - he had a BEER or alcohol? (I know you said beer, so you probably mean beer, but I'd figure I'd ask anyway... the image in my mind is an arsonist with an alcohol/vodka bottle with that little cloth thing in it and they throw it into a building to start a fire... so an alcohol bottle, makes sense, but a beer bottle, doesn't make sense).

I was told beer; I was talking about alcohol because it is in beer. I don't readily associate a beer bottle as being made into a Molotov cocktail either, so you make a good point about the unlikelihood of Flameaxe-SK, but I just wanted that out there.

Mafia 101: Confirmation of role DOES NOT MEAN confirmation of alignment.

Coug's role can easily be a scum role to detect power roles and the arsonist, kinda like a flavored role cop.

But Coug is OBVSCUM because of this:

I am a thief. I stole from Jack day one and Confucius day two, both times to check the validity of their claims.

I guess Jack was drinking too much when he claimed.
More later; I have chores to do.

What? You thought Jack's claim was real?

No.

Im willing to claim if the majority of them want me to but Coug should die asap.

Vote: StrangertCoug.

I'm sorry, but you failed Mafia 101 too. The nest of quotes is about Jack post-mortem, and I breadcrumbed my result post-mortem as well. Calling me scum for claiming to check validity with my thief role

WHEN I SPECIFICALLY SAID DAY ONE I DOUBTED JACK'S ROLE

sits with me the worst way possible. Role-copping a claimed role also makes no sense from a scum perspective.

VOTE: Anon

[StrangerCoug]

I adore the OMGUS

In potential LYLO, especially with your weak as hell case on me? :scoffs: That's nothing. Keep spewing nonsense.

but you are missing the point. Can you explain why did you want to confirm Jack0s role (Night 1) if you didnt think his claim was real (Day 1)?

Why

WOULDN'T

I? It is rare for minis to have more than one investigative role, and Jack's claim was questionable as all hell. Guilty with a hint of miller? Somebody point me to a game where that was a legitimate result.

I wasn't expecting to steal something indicative of a cop (and didn't); I expected to steal something indicative of scum (and didn't do that either). I may not have gotten what I wanted, but I see no error in my ways and therefore think your questioning my role is absurd.

[StrangerCoug]

Phone post.

Anon-town should not have voted yet at this stage of the game, where it is potentially 3:3:1. If that is the ratio, one of us is proven scum. The more optimistic 4:2:1 can still get us in trouble if we mislynch. For this reason, I'm not ready to accept Anon-town until he unvotes.

Give me time to get on a computer not being fixed and I'll' come up with what I might steal from myself. (We have a bus driver!)

[StrangerCoug]

OK, here we go: I am Delia Goodmen. My husband, Steven, got some land from a relative after that person passed away, and I, like a good housewife should, have been keeping the place clean. I've gotten tired of the same old same old after two years, however, so I go for whatever cheap thrills I can find. Stealing's my favorite.

I figure that I might steal a broom from myself if I were bus-driven with my target. You sweep when you clean, no?

[StrangerCoug]

Ah! Yes, I remember you, Ben. How has school been for you?

[StrangerCoug]

Well, we're in 3:2:1 now. We still need to treat this with caution as we still cannot afford either a mislynch or a no lynch.

UNVOTE: Anon

[StrangerCoug]

At this point I buy Blackberry’s and StrangerCoug’s abilities. I really have to wonder how this game is supposed to be balanced at this point.

StrangerCoug, can you

use

items you steal? I have to say, this “poison” kill makes me wonder if you used the syringe you stole from me, or something.

It doesn't say, but my understanding of the role is no.

[StrangerCoug]

Ah! Yes, I remember you, Ben. How has school been for you?

Well... I'm failing math... But what I really meant was did your role pm tell you anything about having a son?

Yes, it does. I couldn't find a neat way to incorporate you.

StrangerCoug, can you

use

items you steal? I have to say, this “poison” kill makes me wonder if you used the syringe you stole from me, or something.

Does your flavor indicate something about a poison syringe? The fact that you were accused of medical malpractice makes me wonder if something strange is going on here.

No, there is no mention of a poison syringe in my role PM.

[StrangerCoug]

Mafia poisoner makes the best sense to me right now. I know what I am, Budja claimed arsonist, I still like Anon-scum, I have every reason to believe Confucius, and Flameaxe-town confirms Blackberry, so xvart is PoE'd.

[StrangerCoug]

Just throwing this out there. I have considered claiming SK as scum I believe. But since no one is CCing, Anon and Xvart are pretty much scum-confirmed, as Confucius and Stranger have cleared themselves in my opinion.

How is Confucius cleared? Especially after your detailed explanation of how the poisoning works? Confucius hasn't actually saved anyone if what you are saying about poisoning is accurate in this game, and is therefore unconfirmed. In fact, now that I think about it, a claimed doctor would be a perfect claim for scum because it would keep Budja from killing him since the doctor can't save against burning; but the only problem is the possible counter claim; so I'm not really ready to go down this road since Confucius claimed so early.

Confucius is cleared by my stealing the syringe from him. For otherwise to be true, I must be unable to rely on stolen items for determining scum (or be scum myself, but I'm not, and Blackberry still brings up a good point).

The delayed kill makes it more likely in my mind that the poisoner killed Flameaxe to prevent getting bus driven, but I'm not saying this is why; it may make as little sense to anybody else as your theory does.

I don't see how leaving the arsonist alive is going to be good play, so unless someone can convince me otherwise:

VOTE: Budja

We lynch the arsonist, Mafia makes a kill, it's 2:2 and a town loss. You wanting to go this route comes off as appearing to want to lynch scum, but the wrong scum—your enemy other than us. Way to fail logic class.

VOTE: xvart

Killing scum means town may win tonight by saving someone and at worst get another chance to block.

Town also wins if you and the Mafioso we don't lynch make a crosskill.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm glad there was a preview edit—I almost made this post with the incorrect thinking that there were five players left instead of six.

Stranger - I also suggested killing Arsonist. Thoughts?

You suggested that at 4:2:1. I'm worried about the 3:2:1 we know we're in; does your theory still hold?

Confucius is cleared by my stealing the syringe from him. For otherwise to be true, I must be unable to rely on stolen items for determining scum (or be scum myself, but I'm not, and Blackberry still brings up a good point).

And Confucius couldn't possibly be a mafia goon (with former doctor flavor/secret of malpractice) with poison as his weapon? What do you expect you would steal from the poisoner?

A poison straight up such as cyanide, thallium, etc. If the mod wanted to mess with me, he could hand me antifreeze from the poisoner—the average innocent person keeps it around the last time I checked, but it has a sweet taste and consuming it can kill you.

We lynch the arsonist, Mafia makes a kill, it's 2:2 and a town loss. You wanting to go this route comes off as appearing to want to lynch scum, but the wrong scum—your enemy other than us. Way to fail logic class.

And if when you lynch town how are our odds of winning?

That makes it 2:2:1 going into night, requiring a crosskill for us to stand a chance.

[StrangerCoug]

I should have said: "good luck, town. You're going to need it" since I don't care who wins. I just didn't want to leave the impression that I want the town to win.

xvart.

Thanks for reminding me of my own play toward the end Mini 945, only worse. In that case, I was scum that didn't care in the long run whether Cyberbob or I got lynched in LYLO because my scumbuddy had a plan dreamt up.

[StrangerCoug]

EBWOP: toward the end

of

Mini 945

[StrangerCoug]

I knew the scum team was Budja and Anon when xvart got lynched, and this is at least the second time Budja has been confirmed aligned against the town while the game was ongoing and still won.

Could I have the night actions and a complete list of items I would have stolen from everybody?