Mafia 1013 - Prozacs Basic Theme - Game has ENDED

[Jack]

VOTE: BLACKBERRY

[Jack]

Vote:mallowgeno

Is sounding very scummy, for this post and others:

I never said it was a tell. You just did. I WILL say that that just makes me suspect you more and I think you just slipped.

[Jack]

Vote: Mallogeno

I'm already getting a scummy read from this guy.

Yeah and that statement gives me a scummy read too.

Did my statement give you a scummy read?

[Jack]

fos:strangercoug

feeling like that was a bandwagon vote...bad post...that has mallow as just a VI which I shall reconsider.

unvote

[Jack]

Unvote

Vote: Budja

I want to see how you react to this. You've done something that raises a red flag to me (I'm not revealing what it is - because it is a tell that I think is more accurate than a lot of other tells, and by revealing it - it prevents mafia from doing that tell in the future).

SC - I would like you to elaborate on your vote for mallow.

me too.

I disagree with Jack. I don't think SC would bandwagon so quickly if SC was scum. But that's just my opinion.

Why don't you think he would? When scum see a VI on the road to being strung up they often like to be on early. Or he could have been scum uncomfortable with his vote and looking to switch.

[Jack]

What does this mean?

Because scum wouldn't want to be that obvious. I don't think. I agree that what SC did looked like obvious bandwagoning or what you explained. But I think it was too obvious and scum would be smarter than that.

Scum wouldn't want to be seem scummy? I agree. But if we assume that that their wants are completely reflected in their behavior, then we may as well random vote.

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secret scumtell on coug.

Although he is misreading mallow. Which I suppose he is equally likely to do as town as he is as scum.

[Jack]

Although he is misreading mallow. Which I suppose he is equally likely to do as town as he is as scum.

I'm trying to pinpoint what's with this. It's not a tell either way—in fact, it makes statistical sense—but the wording doesn't seem right. Would I care about misreads as scum?

1/3 of what I originally found scummy about your vote post was the "this is an outright lie" part. It isn't (mallow just meant that you brought the question of whether it was a tell into the argument). But that doesn't really seem like an intentional misread.

[Jack]

What does this mean?

It means I think you are being lazy and I don't want to let you get away with that (plus, I'd rather see HOW you respond rather than just post a smiley face).

So how about ocho and uno pairing up?

[Jack]

Also, you didn't answer my question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eY4qU80lPM#t=7m58s

This is what I think of whenever anyone says that.

[Jack]

Jack, answer BB's question. Being evasive is just irritating.

Why is being evasive irritating?
Why do you want me to answer bb's question?
Why did you agree with fishy in this post?
Why did you ask "did anyone else see this"?
What did you mean by "did anyone else see this"?
What is there to see exactly?
Why do liars equal scum?
Why do you think jokey style doesn't equal trying to be liked by town?
Why is "obv bandwagon obv" as you say?

[Jack]

Jack 94 - What part of saying scoug said something that he completely didn't isn't a blatant fabrication?

No I agree completely, you are misreading him I think. His english isn't that good.

[spoiler-]did I blatantly contradict myself or did I type "agree" instead of "disagree"?

I found mallows play scummy, but have concerns about him being a VI. Coug I'm not sure is scummy, we'll see.[/spoiler]

Spoiler tags broken. Prozac.

[Jack]

This is an outright lie.

And why did he do that as scum do you think?

I made no statement that being flippant is indeed a tell, so your case on me has absolutely no bearing.

What's his case on you? I just see a couple poorly put together comments. If he's scum he's bad scum.

Unvote
Vote: mallowgeno

How do you feel about lynching him?

[Jack]

"You are telling another player that a native speaker of English isn't good at it? When I was in high school, I was the copy editor for our newspaper, so I feel a tad insulted here."

I was talking about mallow.

[Jack]

Gah what is it that you want me to explain? You and Mitsuru both said that I'm confusing you, but you're the ones who are confusing me.

I got a daycop result on you...it said you were guilty but the flavor hinted at miller (townie who appears guilty), is that really your role?

[Jack]

vote:Anon

[Jack]

Gah what is it that you want me to explain? You and Mitsuru both said that I'm confusing you, but you're the ones who are confusing me.

I got a daycop result on you...it said you were guilty but the flavor hinted at miller (townie who appears guilty), is that really your role?

you really think people are that stupid, jack?

Some of them.

[Jack]

Meta is very very useful. But only the "I've played with him twice before..." meta, not so much the "I checked a couple of his other games..." meta.

[Jack]

Sorry...I am having a really hard time getting a feel for this game. Perhaps later.

[Jack]

unvote, vote:llama

don't like his mallow vote.

[Jack]

I'm feeling pretty good about llama as scum.

[Jack]

No one in particular. Just in general. Like that woman in my hometown who robbed a candy store (taking just candy mind you). Filled the stroller and fled. Police found her by following the trail of wrappers.

[Jack]

Flamaxe is looking scummy.

[Jack]

Flamaxe is looking scummy.

Helpful as always.

poisoning the well

[Jack]

I don't see mallow as scummy at all.

[Jack]

explanation = mallow is new and vi'ish.

I read it as "I never said it was a tell (or said anything about tell's at all). You just did (say something about tells). I'm not sure mallow knows what "tell" means, it's not quite mafia specific but it's not a common word either.

[Jack]

fishy are you really interested in that? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Jack]

...mitsuru is prob town...

I'm more interested in the follow up post in which mallow, being accused of lying, says that lying isn't always scummy. That seems to me be to an attempt to win an argument, rather than explain his actions.

Oh yeah, he's clearly throwing out stuff just to win the argument.

[Jack]

Yeah, llama and flamaxe seem scum.

mitsuru, mallow, anon, budju and raivann seem town.

Don't know about the others.

[Jack]

Jack: More baseless claims are baseless.

aka "yup i'm scum but you don't have any evidence on me, neener neener"

[Jack]

Really coug...if I didn't know you had a scummy playstyle as town (I find it scummy at least). What do you find scummy about mallow? Doesn't he seem vi'ish to you?

[Jack]

I have a really hard time accepting that you sincerely think that as town...

I guess coug goes on the scumlist.

[Jack]

Not getting vi reads often depends on who you play with.

I can't see a townie finding mallow scummy for "misrepresenting" you or for the setup speculation...I don't see a townie having a top three list of "mallow, jack, llama". No way no how.

[Jack]

hmm, llama was super scummy that game I think, let me check. That might have been a lazy read from me this game.

[Jack]

Yeah that was a lazy read on llama, he's of my scum list.

unvote, vote:Coug

[Jack]

Budja who's your second choice after llama?

[Jack]

What do you think of coug blackberry?

meant I thought the statement was weird. Probably because of the warning that you wanted to see his reaction and the long drawn out parentheses bit which seemed like overexplaining.

btw I've done the same "draw scum at start of game", some scum bite hard others call you town and say it was obvious what you were doing and that it was very pro-town. Depends on the scum

[Jack]

I put him into neutral because it was a lazy read and he hasn't done anything particularly scummy.

[Jack]

fos:fishy

Sounds like you forgot where your vote is...maybe not, but it's a weird fos on anon given that your vote is on llama.

Also are you really interested in mallow?

[Jack]

As scum I have before switched from my usual gut style of town play to a big post, scumhunting analysis, "pro-town" play.

unvote, vote:Flameaxe

I'm thinking fishy and coug as buddies atm.

[Jack]

that's fair enough, my playstyle changed after coming back from an absence too.

unvote, vote:coug

[Jack]

Anon's case may be flawed but that doesn't make him scummy.

[Jack]

Is Coug on V/LA?

Nope.

[Jack]

that's fair enough, my playstyle changed after coming back from an absence too.

unvote, vote:coug

Can we PLEASE lynch him? He's too much of a wildcard to have around and he will give scum the win at lylo, if he isn't scum.

hmm that's a scum post.

[Jack]

Not scummy.

[Jack]

hmm, I'm thinking fishy is scum and maybe budja.

unvote, vote:fishy

@mallow: please expand on why you think people are scummy. Particularly Jack, since that's your strongest read, but also myself, MK, and SC.

So, rereading mallow I'm slightly confused. Did we establish what was meant by this post:

Fine. Noteworthy. You happy?

After that statement, my vote shall remain.

Being flippant is not a tell. Sorry.

I never said it was a tell. You just did. I WILL say that that just makes me suspect you more and I think you just slipped.

I totally can't see any meaning of this sequence that explains this last post from mallow, as town or scum.

There's something else I think is relevant in relation to mallow, but it depends rather on the answer to that so I might wait to bring it up.

I'm more interested in the follow up post in which mallow, being accused of lying, says that lying isn't always scummy. That seems to me be to an attempt to win an argument, rather than explain his actions.

I think llama's scum, but I think anon's reasons for attacking him are scummy. What's wrong with that?

I don't have much of a read of mallow, and I'm not going to vote for him unless something changes. I think the sequence:
mallow: something.
someone else: you're lying. Liars are scum.
mallow: liars aren't always scum.
is rather scummy.

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Of the people who seem to be getting some attention:
- I see little reason to think mallow, Jack or Flameaxe is scum.

I don't buy that town-fishy would have just this to say about mallow after all that--he has said 20x more about him than about me or Flameaxe but we are all in togother. His (mallows) latest posts have been scummier to me than his early ones too.

[Jack]

Why wouldn't you mind getting lynched?

[Jack]

Fishy-scum could match up well with mallow-scum. Fishy sets himself up to join the mallow wagon early when mallow is first drawing suspicion and acting wacky. Then tries to drop him completely later when he's not a main suspect. What do you think of that theory mallow?

[Jack]

I didn't read it, but judging on length I say town points for flameaxx

[Jack]

Yikes what was the votecount? Also it's crazy that we have 3 ohioians here. Although BB is obviously a heretic as he revealed earlier.

I don't have to much confidence in the bengals pass protection though. Atkins looked great in the hof game.

Also scum have QT's every game.

[Jack]

I really dislike this wagon.

[Jack]

unvote, vote:budja

[Jack]

Good game.

I had mallow as town early but would probably have lynched him day 2...tough break.

[Jack]

Also, busdrivers hate me for some reason.