Mini 987: Alternative Vote Mafia- Ovah!
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Think about it...it's a good reason to vote pom.jasonT1981 wrote:
I dont get it... if the post is a nulltell.... then why vote pom?Jack wrote:
I think this post is a nulltell.Pomegranate wrote:I think that in a game with unusual mechanics like this everyone would read the rules (equally) carefully, and thereforenotreading the rules carefully would be a nulltell. Thoughts?
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Shattered Viewpoint wrote:WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE VOTING
AAAARRRRRRGH
Oh, hi.Shattered Viewpoint wrote:
Silly Pom. You don't have toPomegranate wrote:
And what did I do?Pomegranate wrote:Why? I'm not quite sure what I did.doanything.Shattered Viewpoint wrote:What?
I post and everyone dies?
Awesome power.
And what is it youShattered Viewpoint wrote:I don't think Pom is scummy enough to lynch.dothink?-
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No, it's a weak incentive. Evidence: everyone procrastinatesvollkan wrote:
But that's true: students do have a strong incentive to do their homework early because procrastinating will get them a bad grade.Jack wrote:Scum don't have a strong incentive to read carefully. That's like saying students have a strong incentive to do their home work early, because they get a bad grade if they procrastinate.-
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3 scum in a 9 player game? Well I'll call that mistake a towntell actually. Let's lynch pom.jasonT1981 wrote:not really, my post was taken from the point of my last post. at that time I didnt seem to sure on Pom. things progressed between my previous last post and the post I just made. I think she is scum, as is Jack and Anon. I was actually already in the process of writing my catch up when I was called out on my posts in other games.-
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What do you mean by the last sentence? It's false. 1st place is 1 of the tiebreakers, and doing it that way allows you to slide anon in over pom in the middle of the list. Although you ended up voting for jason anyway I guess.vollkan wrote:
Zach was my #1 suspect, for reasons stated. Since it's preferential voting, by definition I wasn't throwing my vote away.Jack wrote: vollkan, why did you throw away your #1 vote on zachrulez?-
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Shattered Viewpoint wrote:
I normally assume such; but since you basically fucked up your own question, I was being nice and giving you a chance to ask me something if you wanted to. Forgive me for trying to help.vollkan wrote:
That doesn't make sense. You can assume that if a player, especially an active player, is not questioning you, then they don't have any outstanding issues with you.SV wrote: Just making sure I'm up-to-date.
vollkan,TBM, get a frigging room. You'rehonestlycoming across, to me, as twoscumbuddiesarguing incessantly to look like a town vs town fight and give yourselves both town cred.
SV is the other scum, this game is easy when you do some iso'ing.Shattered Viewpoint wrote:Official Ballot:
1. jasonT1981
2. Anon
3. vollkan
4. Ellibereth
5. Jack
6. Zachrulez
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If elli is town, TBM is town (you are a sane cop right Elli?).
And if TBM is town, then Zach is lying about being doc, correct? I don't see bodyguard, cop, and doc.
We don't know the reason for the missed kill. Scum could have just been absent, some townie who just hasn't claimed yet, ehhh. But if we lynch zach, he flips scum, we get another investigation result. That gives us 2 confirmed townies in 5 alive. Very good odds. Or he flips town, which I would think means TBM and elli is scum. Or the mod made a crazy setup.
But zach is very scummy anyway. So it's obv just zach and SV. He probably fake claimed to save himself.-
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Yes, ok good.Ellibereth wrote:I was debating whether to claim this or not.
I think I should.
Cop was 1-shot.
1-shot cop, bodyguard, doc, seems balanced, yeah?
That gives us:
Confirmed:
Elli
TBM
Zach
Jack
Unconfirmed:
SV
Pom
Vollkan
hmm that's a toughy
Very weak stance. This was really early in the game yeah? Top of page 3. It would be surprising if someone was scummy enough to lynch.SV wrote:I don't think Pom is scummy enough to lynch.
Still on the "not enough to lynch", but at least makes a show of reading her posts. Also, note that he says that he missed this post.Shattered Viewpoint wrote:
Hmmm. It seems I missed this. I don't think that not-reading the rules is a nulltell. However, I don't think one little thing like this is nearly enough to lynch Pom.Pomegranate wrote:I think that in a game with unusual mechanics like this everyone would read the rules (equally) carefully, and thereforenotreading the rules carefully would be a nulltell. Thoughts?
Vote:Jack for being annoying
Vote:jason for ... being jason
NonVote:volkan for being obvtown
Non-ascertained at this point: Anon, Elli, Pom, TBM.
Zach gets half aVote.
Missing posts is a scumtell according to SVBecause, just the opposite of what you said. In a "special" game such as this, I would think everyone would read carefully. Those that don't read, are paying less attention, thus, are scum.
NOT a nulltell.
This is at Jason. I don't believe becoming convinced that someone is scum merely moves them higher on the list. And jason's post wasn't scummy.Now, I'm convinced you're scum (and you just moved higher on my list).
I can't believe this is genuine sentiment.STOP LURKING, SCUM
I was going to say I see no reason for Pom to claim; then I realized we won't be at a point where she's at L-1. So, I see no reason for her to claim, but if y'all think she needs to, I guess, go ahead.
Pom "isn't scummy enough to lynch" turns into "Pom is 2nd most protown". TBM was a likely scumbuddy of vollkan, but vollkan is at #3 while TBM is at the bottom. Anon is at #2 despite SV never having mentioned him. If jason didn't get lynch he wanted Anon lynched.Official Ballot:
1. jasonT1981
2. Anon
3. vollkan
4. Ellibereth
5. Jack
6. Zachrulez
7. Pomegranate
8. TheButtonmen
mmm I guess SV is kind of high on Pom's list.
Pom wrote:Official Ballot:
Anon
jasonT1981
Zachrulez
Ellibereth
Shattered Viewpoint
Jack
vollkan
TheButtonmenPom wrote:Probably SV and Zach. Possibly Jack after that.
Hmm, Pom is so wishy washy I'd be surprised if she put her scumbuddy at the top of her list. SV's weak stance could be him avoiding a town wagon. Or maybe it is a toughy.-
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mmm, still really don't like vollkan's stance towards pom:
The push on pom "makes absolutely no sense"The push on Pom is making absolutely no sense to me. The only semi-coherent accusation I can find against her is Zach's accusation of "more willing to discuss game theory than actually scum hunting", which on closer inspection I have serious issues with. Four problems, specifically:
1) The "theory" that Pom had discussed at that point was directly relevant to the paying attention issue re: Jack (which, ironically, Zach himself brought up, by saying that "lack of attention to the rules is at least slightly more likely to come from scum" - so it's not only wrong of him to accuse her of this, but downright hypocrticial; that is, unless was expecting to be able to make his theory claim without being challenged on it, which is simply unacceptable)
2) It was page 2. Zach said this was a "good early vote" - fine, but even if we accept that, it doesn't explain the continued suspicion.
3) At that same point in time, other people (including myself) had also joined in the theory debate, but Zach doesn't mention this at all
4) In a later post by Zach he says:afterthe votes on her started coming in, but vollk should have mentioned it before, yeah? That's been how he's playing. If the case was terrible he should have attacked it before, perhaps he didn't want to defend his partner. He critiques Zach's case here which fits with his attack on Zach, but doesn't critique Pom herself. Eww, then he makes a point of asking her a bunch of pointless follow up questions.
But does it stand? One gut town thing I see about the post that this is from is that he mentions what people said about Pom about 5 times.Zachrulez --I said before that I wasn't going to take apart his reasons because I wanted to see Pom's defence. That will stand.
They are both 55...Anon ends up higher on the list. SV is a 56 for some reason, and ends up 3rd on vollks list. I don't buy that vollkan thought Anon was scummier. This is not how protown vollkan deals with two of the main lynch candidates.Anon Crappy attack against Pom for her tone in asking a question, and then making a lazy line of attack against me for posting 'fluff' and spamming the thread. 55
PomegranateAs I said earlier, the theory she discussed early on was game relevant. I don't hold that against her. That said, she has been posting fluff, roughly from Jun 17-21, whereupon, after being attacked, she started to pick up the pace again. That said, it seems that she was also genuinely falling behind, and I've more than once as town tried to maintain a semblance of followiing while desperately needing to acquaint myself with the material - ie. both theoretically and from experience, I don't think losing track of a game is scummy. And Pom made it pretty clear that RL things were causing her trouble. That said, even after she picks up, it is still little to no analysis. @Pom: Roughly what amount of time have you spent on this game so far? I'm giving Pom a tentative 55, subject to increase or decrease depending on the circumstances of her subtantive inactivity.
I don't like how jason ranked 2nd on vollk's list either:
jasonT1981 I don't agree with the "unnatural reaction" attack on him, and I don't think his lurking is scummy. That said, he needs to be questioned over the deadline thing and from the points I raise above, he seems to be approaching his lurkiing in a dishonest manner by trying to deflect on to the consensus candidate of Pom. 60
And this is why I went and reread vollk in the first place (+ pom's having SV at the top of her list)
Which means, absent inv-immunity, Button can only be scum in a Elli-Button scumteam. This increases the likelihood of Zach being scum, but also my confusion.-
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No, it seems like we should lynch one of the claimed docs. They can't get a successful protection anyway.Ellibereth wrote:Methinks Shattered is lurking his way through this. Scumz.
Would lynching someone else (shattered) and leaving both claimed docs alive today be a good play?
Perhaps I was right about zach-sv earlier. But pom's claim is pretty bad.
If we lynch zach and he's scum then it's probably sv.
If we lynch pom and she's scum then we have to decide between sv and vollk.
Zach's lynch probably gives more info, but I think he is much less likely scum.-
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Ok not that it matters. But if zach's claim was believed then there were only three people left remember. sv, vollk, and you. And the town had a mislynch to spare. So that would be game over. But if you were scum you could get the mislynch on vollk, then we would lynch you, and then maybe we would lynch the wrong one out of sv/vollk. So you had to counterclaim if you were scum.Pomegranate wrote:
A one-for-one trade isn't worth it for scum.Jack wrote:
Lack of counterclaim from scum-you would equal town auto-win.Pomegranate wrote:I guess.
But why the HELL would I counterclaim Zach if I was scum?
If Zach flips town you lynch me tomorrow.
Happy?
I'm tending to disbelieve zach's claim more though.-
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