Mini 987: Alternative Vote Mafia- Ovah!

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I bet Jack read them then did that on purpose.

Vote: Pom

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You being scum?

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Oh, my bad, didn't notice. Thanks!
I'm town too! fancy that

Unvote, Vote jason

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Oh jack...

Unvote, Vote Pom

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I usually don't read closely regardless of alignment sooooooo
This whole thing prob just depends on the person and now I've forgotten why this whole topic arose.

Town: Volkan, Jack, Shattered, Button
Scum: Pom

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shattered, explain the jason being jason thing plz.

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Town: Volkan, Jack, Shattered, Button
Scum: Pom

What was the purpose of posting that list of ratings?

Now who hasn't been reading carefully? Remember how we vote this game...

Exactly. And in any normal game, there's no way in hell that somebody should be able to get away with simply giving a vote without substantiation.

That's not true.

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1) Town players should vote for whom they think is scum
2) Town players should think that other players are scum for good reasons
3) Therefore, town players should vote for other players for good reasons
4) Town benefit from being able to collectively consider good reasons
5) Scum are disadvantaged by having to justify votes with good reasons
6) Thus, votes should be backed up with good reasons

1) Agree
2-6) Disagree

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not using "good" reasons doesn't equal pseudorandom...

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Note the parenthetics around good. I meant what I guessed you considered good/bad.

The main one is I don't think it's "bad" to feel someone is scum/town with no reason at all or based off whatever feeling one gets from one post.

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Can someone here be awesome an collect unofficial vote-counts and all that?
And we should treat the votes the same to know when claiming happens and for VA later etc.

I have a feeling the whole question thing is the norm for volken by those two little words over his avatar
And is POMMY still on her weekly weekend V/LA thing?

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Ooh, hi. I was graduating if you wondered where I was. Currently getting my games together.

WAITWAT.
I'M VERY CONFUSED BY THE P-FRUIT SISTER AGE TIMELINE NOW.

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vollkan, TBM, get a frigging room. You're honestly coming across, to me, as two scumbuddies arguing incessantly to look like a town vs town fight and give yourselves both town cred.

If that's their intention...IT'S WORKING.
Yeahz I see serious town on town.

Nothing's really changed I think since the LAST LIST I posted, since it's been mostly the town peoples posting.
Zach's getting townier.
I don't like deadline extensions, let's stick with the original one.

IF we are (also if we're not bleh, just more urgent), we need to see when it's time for Pom to claim...

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Hmfh.
ZACHY, How similar did you think that looked to ME vs. NETO from whatever game that was?

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....

I WANT POM TO CLAIM WHEN SHE GETS BACK. WHO'S WITH ME?

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Pom claim.

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This becomes Official if there is no claim in Pom's next post

Official Ballot:
1. Pomegranate
2. Anon
3. Jason
4. Zachrulez
5. Jack
6. TheButtonmen
7. volkan
8. Shattered Viewpoint

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/made an empty threat last post

I'm not sure about something now. Urghal.
Vill Vait for Zi Lurkerz.

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POMMY.
How serious were you in that post that was sandwiched between my posts on Page 1?

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And the next one after that too.
I mean, did you think I was serious about Pommy scum because you sounded like you were all that.

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TOWN: Elli, Fatey, Serry
1 SCUM IN: Kitty, Pommy
1 SCUM IN: Nachy, SSKY

Necessary Y's so don't ask WHY. hehe

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^^^Shit, that was meant for another topic. Delete plz.

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http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/search.p ... 5&sr=posts
^^^MY GOD HE HAS TONS OF POSTS ELSE WHERE

COME AND PLAY WITH US SCUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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HEY POM CLAIM NEXT POST PLZ.
YOU'RE AT L-1 OR WHATEVER THE EQUIVALENT IS OR PRETTY DAMN CLOSE OR WHATEVER.

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Jason is town.

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ARARGRAH
I JUST WANT POMMY TO CLAIM.

Like, she's scum all over.
And then there's this one thing there that's town in the scum all over.
And I get all confused face.

I think that button/volk are the same alignment. I think I said that somewhere before but just to Zach or something like that.
VOLKAN, OMG QUESTION, what do you think about jason's whole 3 scum thingy.

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Who's balloted so far? I just remember that Pom was on the top of all of them or something like that.

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I think Pom needs to claim now. I'm not putting Jason near the top, he's town.

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Pommy, last chance to claim. I'm pretty sure you WILL die if I submit it with you at top.

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I'm making the call that Pom is town.

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Official Ballot:

1. Pomegranate
2. Anon
3. Jason
4. The button man
5. Shattered viewpoint
6. Zachrulez
7. Vollkan
8. Elli

This is a valid ballot.

I don't think most of it matters though. Maybe the second one matters.

Official Ballot

1)Anon
2)Pomegranate
3)Jack
4)Volkan
5)Elliberth
6)TheButtonmen
7)Zach
8)Shattered

Official Ballot:

Anon
jasonT1981
Zachrulez
Ellibereth
Shattered Viewpoint
Jack
vollkan
TheButtonmen

And that's probably all you'll get from me before deadline, as I have my weekly V/LA.

Official Ballot:

1. jasonT1981
2. Anon
3. vollkan
4. Ellibereth
5. Jack
6. Zachrulez
7. Pomegranate
8. TheButtonmen

Offical Ballot:

1) Jason
2) Anon
3) Shattered
4) Volkan
5) Pomegranate
6) Zachrulez
7) Jack
8) Elliberth

In that case, since it's probable I might not get time to post one otherwise, I will officialise my previosu ballot

Official Ballot:

1. Zachrules
2. Jason
3. Shattered Viewpoint
4. Anon
5. Pom
6. TheButtonmen
7. Ellibereth
8. Jack

Official Ballot:

1. Pomegranate
2. jasonT1981
3. Shattered Viewpoint
4. Anon
5. Ellibereth
6. Jack
7. TheButtonmen
8. vollkan

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Let me go figure out how he tallies these ballots anyway.
I also get the feeling that Anon won't be back in time.

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At deadline, the thread will be locked, and the first-place votes counted. If one player has an outright majority, then that player will be lynched. If not, then the player with the lowest nonzero number of first-placed votes will be eliminated from lynch contention, and any vote cast for him reassigned to that voter's number two preference. If this does not produce a player with a majority, then the player with the next fewest votes is eliminated. This will continue until one player has an outright majority.

Bleh this is taking me forever to understand.
Outright majority dies. Tallying up number 1's from available ballots.

Pom 2
Anon 2
jason 2
Zach 1

So depending if he means majority as in most votes (3>2) or majority of us 9 (5)...
I'll assume the former ok I guess.
Ok, so that means assuming nothing changes, Zach is taken away from volkan's and his vote goes to jason and jason dies. NG.
Anon surely votes for Pom, ok.
If I vote for Zach that equalizes everything, Anon dies from m'kill, and we move to all the number two choices which brings.

Wait, Oh shit, does Modkill elminate them universally from contention? I'll look at both yes or no.
To YES modkill removes (i,e, Anon disappears from ballots)...The top would stil equalize.
And we move to every number's 2 (I'm skipping Anon if he was 2)

Jason 4
Pom 1
volkan 1
Shattered 1

Okay, so Jason would die.

With Anon still counting
Anon 3
Pom
jason 3
ANother tie, we move down Jason's ballot to... nothing.
Ok, but I don't still anon will count.

FONZ, If you're on. Does MOdkill resolve before ballotcounting?

The rules state explicitly that it does not.

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Wait, if Anon dies from m'k before ballot count my first one is wrong

Pom 3
Jason 3
Zach

And volkans would move to Jason who would die.
Except if I have Pom at first. And it would equalize at that and we would move to people's number twos agh.

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Ok whatever, I don't see a way to reach a death other than Pom or Jason who i think are both town. Have a stronger town read on Jason due to the number of scumslip so I'll probably put Pom first and we'll get the Anon modkill as a cherry on top. If Anon gets back he'll vote Pom and it's bye bye for her and Jason anyway.

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Wait a sec, I vote Anon, if he doesn't get on we move to my number two, which will damn Jason. If he doesn't he's the only death. So now..the question is do I want Anon+1 of (Pom, Jason) dead or just Anon...
Ugh.

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Official Ballot:

1. Anon
2. Pomegranate
3. Jason
4. Zach
5. Jack
6. Shattered
7. Button
8. Volkan

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Lineup after Pom is just down the first post list. If I have to do a list scummiest to towniest:

Zach = Anon
Button = Volkan (Or both scum).
Pom = Jason
Jack = Shattered

Or something like that, tired as hell.

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Town should avoid these situations with DL ballots and having to figure out how they work.
I still think a system where we vote as usual and then we just 1-ballot to death whoever we mock lynch is best. One of us can keep the votecounts, and claims and the lot would be a lot clearer.

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I HAVE A GUILTY ON ONE OF YOU.
AND I'M NOT TELLING YOU WHO.
OH SCHNAP.
THERE'S A BUDDY I WANT TO SMOKE OUT.
So no ballots yet.
Votes are good though.
Have fun!!!!

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JACK/ZACH/OTHER PEOPLE THAT THOUGHT POM WERE SCUM TODAY OR YESTERDAY: Yes/No question. Can you see or guess what made me think that Pommy was town?
VOLKAN: What did you think of Jason's messing up of amount of people in a scumteam? Why did you not regard that as a scumtell?

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TOP 2 SUSPECTS FROM EVERYONE TOO PLZ.

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SOMEONE'S AVOIDING THE THREAD.
YES I KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
YOU.

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Zach, pretend I have an innocent on Pommy: then who's scum?

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TOP 2 SUSPECTS FROM EVERYONE TOO PLZ.

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SOMEONE'S AVOIDING THE THREAD.
YES I KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
YOU.

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http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p2330895
^^^
This and the following few.

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I have a town result.
That + whatever protection was last night.
I think claiming both breaks it?

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I'm like 90% sure Pom is town. I don't want to say why.

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Unless I investigated doctor and they protected me or something like that happens.
Button is town.

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Hm.
Doc claim unless he protected me or Button sounds good?

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well, it could just confirm two more people, which is just game, rite?

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wut I was expecting Pom to be the doctor.
Now I'm confused.

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then what happened to the NK?

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She knows I have a meta for freaking out at lack of claims near death.
She was almost certainly dead if I had voted her outright at the top of the list yesterday.
So I thought she couldn't be scum, because she would know to claim just to appease my usual bloodlust over lack of claims.
But I thought there was no reason for her to do it as a vnilla.
So I thought she was a PR>
Which is why i avoided stating reasons over why. Lack of kill today made me think she was doctor.
So yeah.

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I have a confirmed sane innocent on Button.
I recall me going mad about that in a game with here, either the drama one or tar's. I think it was in our mason qt in the drama won.

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Pom and Shattered are yet to check in. That's it right?

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Oops. I didn't freak out over it in our mason QT. I remember a game somewhere with her where I went off about it though.
Also, I said that she would claim and I would vote her, and she said no twice or something here, and I didn't think scumPom would take a risk like that and Pomvanilla would have just claimed.

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I was debating whether to claim this or not.
I think I should.
Cop was 1-shot.

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Because I was scared I was going to die. I would prob use 1-shot anything N1.
Us? I know you meant me probs but my first instinct here is slip. >.> GODFATHER!??!?
I investigated you because I thought you had the same alignment as volkan so it was kinda a 2 for 1. And in case you weren't the same align I was less sure of you as town.
Reserved until Pom and SHattered check in.

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oooooooooooooh counterclaim baby!
Pommy, why'd you protect me who I remember was somewhere midway on D1 ballot?
Zach, same question except me is Jack.

I'm obv heavily leaving Zach scum per why Pom is a power role a few posts up.

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Methinks Shattered is lurking his way through this. Scumz.
Would lynching someone else (shattered) and leaving both claimed docs alive today be a good play?

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I don't think Pom is faking dumb.

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Oops. >.<
SORRY POMMY, WASN'T MEANING TO OFFEND ETC.

And Pommy:
Assume Zach is real doc, and no counter, so peoples believe him.
THat means, Me, button, Jack, and Zach, are all confirmed.
3 people left. 1 mislynch and 2 scumz left.
So town autowins.

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Official Ballot:

1. Zach
2. Shattered
3. Pom
4. Volk
5. Jack
6. Button

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Hai guyz

Official Ballot

1. Shattered
2. Volkan
3. Jack
4. Pommy
5. Button

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I think it's Volkan.
It's either him or Jack. And Jack's felt very townish.
And Volkan's waste ballot on Zach could be distancing and all that.
I'll look more into this later.

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HEY POM STILL WAITING FOR YA.
I kinda get what Jack means and some other stuff I have hunches on but will wait. ^.^

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pom who'd you protect

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vy moi > Button?
Would one-shot cop, doctor, bodyguard be balanced with two goons if they had daytalk or something? Or is there def. a scum pr assuming pom is doc.

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Hmmm.
That's a good point.
But I had a pr read on Pom for almost the whole game though...
Wait.
Doesn't the voting system here actually favor scum? With it harder to do wagon analysis, claim times, and the weird deadline scrambles? Pr's to even that out.
Bleh I dunno.
I don't think Pom would be the type to counterclaim her buddy gambit without planning it out before, and it would have been hard to plan out before. She may have gotten the idea from me saying I thought she was the doc?
I'll ignore all the mechanics shenanigans and look through the whole game later, need moar pom and volkan.

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http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 0#p2384080

I have to say that this thread is focusing almost entirely on town play, whille it seems that it's purpose is to give advice for both town and scum.

I kept playing until I found a scumtell that reliably worked. Once I found out what scum were actually more likely to do in a given situation, I got much better at finding them.

This makes sense. However, for me the fun in being scum is doing things that would never be

expected

to come from scum.

hmmmm at last line.
Pommy, what type of never expected to come from scumthings have you done in the past? Just curious

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>.>
<.<

iReally want to just submit my ballot because I'm impatient as hell.
PLUMMMMMMMMMMMM

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i'll read that stuff later.
do you guys think scum have daytalk?

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Jack do you think Pom and Zach would have thought out a doc gambit like that on the fly?
I think only way Plummy/Pommy is scum is if scum have daytalk. Otherwise nah.
We still have like a week right?

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Official Ballot

1. Volkan
2. Jack
3. Pom/Plum

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oh shoot
my bad guys
sorry
gg Scum