Mini 949 - Rainbow Robot Unicorn Attack! - Over

[Vi]

unvote

@mod: LlamaFluff is not seeing anyone as of 1086

so get him while he's available

Noted and fixed! ~Mod

[Vi]

12 hours, and it's awfully quiet in here.

[Vi]

12 hours, and it's awfully quiet in here.

It's called sleeping.

I'm not particularly talking to the two other people who were in this thread yesterday.

if there is a death that is a kill and a poison tomorrow don't cry to me about it.

I don't think anyone would.

[Vi]

I may give you the finger again Vi if I see a death tomorrow.

I'm over it already. I've seen your vibrant personality before.

Although what I meant was more along the lines of "why cry to you when it forces either a Seacore or farside lynch".

I can't hammer because I'm already voting him, but I can cheerlead~

# (diff) (hist) . . ! ReaperCharlie‎; 12:35 . . (+13) . . 143.232.105.201 (Talk | block) (→Who He Is - )
# (diff) (hist) . . ! ReaperCharlie‎; 12:35 . . (+10) . . 143.232.105.201 (Talk | block) (→Who He Is - )

Al-ways

He keeps away

from you

But hides right

in plain view

So come and

HAMMER HIM HAMMER HIM

O

H

L

O

V

E

~

[Vi]

What took you so long?

[Vi]

Considering he posted elsewhere in Coney Island immediately after the hammer, I don't think there's much to look forward to.

dramonic is lurking like you wouldn't believe.
This thread also needs more VasudeVa, but at least he's not posting elsewhere and has an uncontested claim.

[Vi]

R-Charlie, dramonic, Robocopter is my pick for the scumteam (in order of confidence). I'm totally calling 1104 as deflection.

[Vi]

R-Charlie, dramonic,

Robocopter

Seacore is my pick for the scumteam (in order of confidence). I'm totally calling 1104 as deflection.

Fixed

I think this argument should take care of itself soon enough.

[Vi]

Nobody to blame but yourself. You didnt' even post a "hi, how's yous guys doings?" post.

Yep. Seacore posted well before he got a Role PM >.>
The fact that you didn't post anything in two days pretty much right at deadline after replacing into a scummy slot didn't help.

Anyway, anything to discuss in twilight?

Now that you have the benefit of a massclaim, choose wisely who you investigate. (or claim to, to use farside's disclaimer)

Also, did VV post any results?

No.

I have been all over my other games like a fat kid on cake,

That would be a bit strong for it.

Seacore, is ReaperCharlie scum?

[Vi]

Also, dramonic is lurking more awesomely than you could ever imagine.

[Vi]

Anything non-jokeish you would like to contribute?

[Vi]

I've pretty much said everything I need to say. RC flips scum it doesn't change my views on Seacore and if RC flips town doesn't change my mind on seacore.
Call me stubborn.

I do have to wonder about a few people in this game. Dramo, Llama, Elli and HP.
Those are the ones I doubt the most.

I've been calling you stubborn for a while

Truthfully you've contributed enough at this point. It's

the majority of the other players

I'm bothered over.

[Vi]

Interesting...
Well, I was bluffing. My ability was one-shot. Hopefully that wasn't too obvious.

dramonic is so ungodly likely to be scum because he started lurking (as in you can easily see him posting everywhere but here on the forum) the moment the ReaperCharlie affair began.

If farside is telling the truth - and I'm pretty sure she is - that puts Seacore in the Town category. (ITT, Ellibereth doesn't read the topic.)

Easy Day as soon as people post results. Even with two kills, the scum are just about cornered. I would put Robocopter down as the other scum but our Cop just got an Innocent, so the next person I would suspect is hp[leaves] for balance reasons now that we know there are two kills (presumably from one group).

See: dramonic

(L-5)

However, looking at the Reaper flip, apparently not all the bad dudes are called that. Hopefully Reaper was a third party bad guy, or my ability is even more useless.

Godfather.

[Vi]

EBWOP: "here on the forum" should read "here in this topic".

Also, it's appropriate that today is dramonic's scumday.

[Vi]

Damn that's sad news to hear Vi. But does this mean that Seacore posting is okay?
*confused*
If so please VV tell us what you say night 1 and night 2.

I'm going to need to pull you over and tell you how poisoners work after the game...

By the way, the balance of the MAFIA Win Condition makes more sense now, no?

[Vi]

@Seacore 1163: Did you miss the part where VasudeVa was mod-confirmed Town according to ElectricBadger?

[Vi]

Unsee: dramonic

Not that I want dramonic to not die, but I'm concerned that VasudeVa has flaked from the site.

[Vi]

Just checked. VV hasn't flaked, but he's incredibly truant.

@mod: Please prod him with much ecstasy

[Vi]

In my defense, there are several similar holes in my contribution to this game (29 to 2, 2 to 6, 9 to 11)

Oh, so you've acted scummily before when it was less telling as well?

@Robocopter: You DO realize you're arguing with someone who's going to die really soon anyway, right?

[Vi]

Accuse me of lurking if it amuses you, but when you accuse me of ignoring something specifically when I've had several similar disappearences in the closest few days that's BS.

Let's try this again, in case someone believes you.

dramonic is so ungodly likely to be scum because he started lurking

(as in you can easily see him posting

everywhere but here

on the forum)

the moment the ReaperCharlie affair began.

[Vi]

...Earth to Seacore... You're arguing with someone you got an Innocent result on...

[Vi]

So?

1) I'm trying to get him to be a bit more constructive for town. Particularly since it seems I'm about to leave this world.

2) My results might be incorrect, and Robo is pinging my scumdar like a fiend.

3) Dram is the best lynch for today, we're waiting for VV to post, what else should I be doing?

1) We have a Cop result on him. As long as he votes with the rest of the TOWN, that's as constructive as he needs to be.

2) I can't blame you for thinking that.

3) Not much unless you have a better idea for who we should lynch.

[Vi]

...Well okay, go ahead and do as you were. >.>

[Vi]

I agree that hp[leaves] is scum for the reasons VV just mentioned, especially considering that hp[l] wasn't targeted for double-night masskilling. (That and he hasn't bothered to post Today, though I'm not sure if he's lurking.)

I'm really not sure what to think of L-Fluff's claim and scum not knowing each other, although it seems we were BOTH correct about his claim - he IS a Miller.

Am I a bad person if I find VV's link kind of catchy?

[Vi]

Just a question: What do hp[leaves] and dramonic have in common Today? (aside from the "being scum" thing; we get that)

[Vi]

Just a question: What do hp[leaves] and dramonic have in common Today? (aside from the "being scum" thing; we get that)

Thier unwillingness to commit to any suspect in fears of clearing someone else?

Vote Dram

I was thinking "unwillingness to post except in defense", which is kind of close.

[Vi]

Can I hammer plz plz? I never get to hammer *pout*

[Vi]

Can I hammer plz plz? I never get to hammer *pout*

Quick question before a hammer.
Although there will be a twilight. Will Seacore and VV die tonight? Or do the scum need to target them again? I'm trying to figure the best strategy for tonight.

Seacore and VV will die either at the beginning or end of Twilight. Their families will then seek revenge against the Cullens and things will get weird from there.

[Vi]

Robocopter doesn't realize that I've already unvoted.

[Vi]

Attention hp[leaves] lynch supporters:

Suppose (imagination may be involved here) that hp[leaves] flips Town.
That would be a

bad

thing, much worse than if we lynched dramonic and he flipped Town. Mislynching hp[leaves] allows scum to kill two of us and poison another two of us, putting us in 3-2 LyLo. We have enough confirmeds that it may not be that hard to box in the scum in that LyLo, but enough VIs that I wouldn't count on it going cleanly.

There's also the chance that if we hit scum - either one - the number of poisonings goes down by 1. I would

much

rather bank on that before lynching a BP, as it would lessen the effect of being wrong.

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we really shouldn't be lynching this fast.

Why not?

[Vi]

Also, I just realized I'm worthless in this game. I only catch scum by checking interactions and there is none in this game and I'm just a liability to town.

Mod, replace me please

Your replacement "thanks you" in advance.

As a final note, confirmed ability =/= confirmed town, Vi.

Suppose that was an attack?
If you want to explain to me what line of setup logic makes it plausible that the only person who can null the Mafia's kill method is a Mafioso before you go, please do.

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I do agree with Vi about hp however. I think if he is town we are better off lynching one of the VT's.

I need to think.

unvote

You agree with me but you unvote dramonic to make hp the leading wagon

dramonic 1225 speaks for itself.

[Vi]

I want to think about a few people on my scum list Vi.
If hp gets lynched or dramo get's lynched before I do my thoughts someone is scum on either wagon.
Happy?

*does happy dance*

[Vi]

Vi: When do we lynch hp-scum?

After dramonic flips scum.

[Vi]

Vi: When do we lynch hp-scum?

After dramonic flips scum.

so like, never?
I dont think town will win that way...

^^best defense EVAR

[Vi]

I am seeing a pattern here! People named Charlie are scum!

confirm vote: Charlie

I don't see why this warranted a confirm vote. I admit I was a little scared when I saw another Charlie as the last person to post earlier.

As for math, here's where we stand.

8 Townies, with two about to die
2 Mafia

Say we lynch hp[town] Today. Then the two poisoneds die, two more Townies get poisoned and immediately die, and then two more people get poisoned.

3 Townies, with two about to die
2 Mafia

Not only is this LyLo, but even if Town lynches correctly, the Day ends with 1-1 after the poisoneds die. Scum wins by default.

--

Say we lynch dramonic-scum Today. Then the two poisoneds die, and ideally just one Townie gets poisoned the next Night.

6 Townies, with one about to die
1 Mafia

This is verranice.

--

Say we lynch dramonic-Town Today (shock!) Then the two poisoneds die, and two Townies get poisoned overnight.

5 Townies, with two about to die
2 Mafia

This is LyLo (No Lynching will eventually cause a loss as in the first scenario). Assuming we lynch correctly, the game goes to 3-1 with one about to die. That is MyLo, although again I don't particularly recommend No Lynching.

--

If scum have a Beloved Princess, this setup will have successfully crossed into Godawful territory and there had better be a good explanation for it in postgame.
Further, assuming hp[scumprincess] self-destructs, if he's the last scum then BOTH scum and Town fulfill their Win Conditions, so there's no problem.

--

tl;dr If we lynch hp[leaves]/Charlie and he is Town,

we lose

.
If we leave him for later, the risk in lynching him goes way down (at LyLo it doesn't matter; in the 6-1 case it's much more tolerable).

[Vi]

I believe the Mafia have two kills, yes.
8-3-1 as a starting setup is notoriously swingy; I'm going to be disappointed if that turns out to be the case.

I've thought a couple of times about it being a fake Miller claim, but considering the amount of effort and foreshadowing that went into it I'm not inclined to buy into that theory. I am disappointed in retrospect that he didn't give a role name during Twilight 1; that would have cemented his slot as Town.

There is a halfway decent reason to make a Townie colorless though if you consider the scum Win Condition.

[Vi]

Votes should be in

bold

in the format Vote: Playername, but I will also permit See:Playername.

[Vi]

I think we've gotten everything we need out of Today.

Decisively See: dramonic

Sayonara, lurking owl~

[Vi]

What what? VasudeVa was scum...? But then that means...

Change of plans!

*Scum (at least some of them) have colors :\
*There has to be an SK, because otherwise the VasudeVa kill couldn't have happened. (Unless the scum thought they could bank a gambit off me )
**Tonocracharlie couldn't have been that SK because then the second kill would never have happened. Godfather hypothesis still stands.
*Either the Prismatic Robot Pony is scum, or it outrightly doesn't exist at all.
**This flip strongly suggests that ElectricBadger was lying (but an incredible lie nonetheless).

*I feel vindicated for pressing VasudeVa earlier... and at the rate we're going, ElectricBadger too. Not having a running tally of how well I'm doing is one of the drawbacks of being Town ^.^
*hp[charlie] is most probably NOT scum with VasudeVa. On the other hand, I'm very confident in this dramonic flip.

[Vi]

Wait, E-Badger was one of the poisonees N1. So if he's scum, he was the S-Kill that Night... It's plausible enough.

Simply put, calling someone a Prismatic Robot Pony everywhere but the role flip is Death Miller-level bastard modding. Tarhalindur and Kinetic have a funny story about that... Anyway, I think it's much more likely that there is no

Arizona

Robot Pony.

One thing's certain, if dramonic was the last scum, Percy would have ended the game. I'm more than confident that dramonic is scum, so there's another one somewhere in the game.

The lack of definite role reveals isn't helping

[Vi]

tbqh I think we'll have the most success trying to outguess the setup after the flip. We should all be alive then, so.

[Vi]

Vi, I don't think you've actually stated your role; would you kindly do so? It helps for comparison with the rest. And... you we so so sure of dramonic flipping anti-town! I'm sad, so sad.

I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not

I'm the Robot Queen of the Robot Faeries. Everything else about my role has been revealed already, barring the flavor bit that my Robotic Faeries are the ones that do the malfunction-fixing.
I thought this claim by itself would hold and that I had a really nice power role, until L-Fluff started softclaiming... and then E-Badger claimed... and then I realized I was probably wrong. So I crumbed in a way only I could - near the end of D1, I changed my avatar to Cirno, the STRONGEST ice fairy.
Either way, I was going to revive the first person who even LOOKED sick so as to confirm myself ASAP. Given E-Badger's claim and where VV landed, I'm sure there's something to mention in hindsight about that. I'm still not sure why nobody is considering E-Badger at all given him+VV tbqh, especially now that we know that scum have colors and related abilities.

I really want to say something novel here and/or vote for ElectricBadger but I'm running out of brain juice because of RL stuff. I'll see if I can make up for it in the morning.

[Vi]

I rreally can't see a way for Badger to be town after the whole Prismatic shenanigans, and I don't really get his explanations. I mean, Vas was able to tell(???not sure, how many people left to claim after him?) that there was no real prismatic pony, and breadcrumb it in.

...actually, VV's breadcrumbs are odd because he knew in advance he was getting Watcher results.

VasudeVa's claim was the one that kicked off the massclaim.

One-way JK. Thanks.

"Doctor"

The elaborate claim by ElectricBadger would be false, in all likelihood it is true due to its complexity...

Now that we know scum have colors, I don't think I agree.

[Vi]

I try not to go there but maybe it's still not finding Vi doing fabulous scum hunting. Plus the vote on VV and quick hop off.
I'm thinking.....

You mean like how I started the VV wagon D2 and pressed it against LlamaFluff's continually-argued Town read on him D1?
Or how I started the ReaperCharlie wagon and forced it through over a Seacore-Town lynch?

Robo seems clearly town reading both TM and VV. I don't see him aligned with either player.

Please explain.

Please say something about ElectricBadger sometime Today.

If VV was an SK he must have had a really great role to make up for having a Cop specifically for him. I'm at a loss for how to explain the two kills in a way that makes sense to me, so my first impulse is to just ignore it. :\

Looking over the vote counts, I have to come to the conclusion L-Fluff did - either E-Badger or Ellibereth is scum by virtue of being on more wagons with {Tonocracharlie, VasudeVa} than anyone else.

Or I can actually vote, since I keep coming to the same conclusion and people don't seem to be listening to me.~

See: ElectricBadger

(L-3)

[Vi]

*Ellibereth bait goes here*

[Vi]

Unsee: ElectricBadger

I know this is "lynching" as in "involuntary removal from the population" but I'd like to see if he posts something in the next few <length of time>s.

[Vi]

Vi: I already stated my view on why I don't see EB as scum.

I don't see it.

Why are you of the belief based on VV's flip that they would be paired together as scum?

"Based on VV's flip"? VV's flip doesn't tell me anything to suggest that he's not group scum; the number of kills does. One could argue that the "coincidence" of VV and TM crossvoting in the RVS for lame reasons would suggest that they ARE group scum, as would Socrates openly protesting VasudeVa's wagon (ISO #23).
Regardless of whether VV and Tonocracharlie were group scum or not, one can expect at least two scum to be on most wagons, and it's really not unheard of to see all three in one place. Now look at the hp[leaves] wagon D2.

{Vi,

Ellibereth,

Socrates, VasudeVa,

ElectricBadger

}

Nice names.

Now when the hp[leaves] wagon didn't happen, two others took its place. Look at Seacore's wagon:

{farside, Robocopter,

ElectricBadger,

VasudeVa

, LlamaFluff}

(For reference: VasudeVa wagon was {hp[leaves],

Seacore, dramonic,

Vi, LlamaFluff} )

Socrates was out of the game by the time the Seacore wagon came to fruition. Ellibereth was on Socrates for a long time instead of going with Seacore or VasudeVa.

Talking of the Socrates wagon, ElectricBadger wasn't anywhere near it. E-Badger tried to coach ReaperCharlie along when he replaced in (ISOs #59-61) while trying to push that one of {Seacore, farside} had to be scum over VasudeVa (ISO #57).

And just for fun, note that VasudeVa was very late on the ElectricBadger wagon, and IIRC it was for reasons like "I just woke up this morning and BAM! it was a good idea!".

Seems that everyone (except Robocopter87) is convinced that VV is part of a larger mafia group and ReaperCharlie to be an SK. May I know why? Coz I seem to be thinking otherwise.

Two kills, mostly.
I still like my hypothesis that Tonocracharlie ( ) was a Godfather role.

I can explain my logic: Badger has such a complicated claim, which I believe is true because it is much more difficult to play as a fakeclaimed PR throughout the game. I would be easier to fakeclaim as a vanilla. Is there a fallacy?

No, you have the right idea. But the fact that
*it specifically mentioned a Prismatic Robot Pony, and
*nobody counterclaimed VasudeVa's PRP claim, thus there is none in the game, and
*at least some scum DO have colors so it's not at all implausible to assume that they have power roles bound by the same restrictions we do
kind of waters down that confidence.

[Vi]

Let me get this straight just for clairty sake. You Vi think VV (possible SK) had one part of the watcher role and EB (possible scum group) had the other part of the role and town hand just what we have?

Who says the claim has to be as complicated as he made it? Especially if VV was NOT an SK.

Why is elli town in all this or even Llama?

Because their vote records don't look as bad as E-Badger's. Plus I don't think scum would knowingly gambit against their partner (362).

[Vi]

-Vi's...honestly I don't know what the hell that was, it's a smorgasboard of 'evidence'

ignoring any inconvenient conflicting facts

, linking me to both Vas and Reaper - apparently we're all one scum team and we're killing ourselves?

Now don't say this if you aren't going to provide examples; otherwise nobody benefits except the person tossing the rhetoric out.

As for killing yourselves, again, I have no idea how to explain the extra kill. Nobody does.

-I avoided the Reaper wagon because I thought (still think, but happy we got lucky) that lynching a new replacement within a day without a single word from them was a shitty way to treat someone who's willing to help us out. And we were on a good lynch that I figured we'd come back to after Reaper made a token comment. It really never crossed my mind that it would go to a lynch.

Please change your mind about this.

-I avoided the Vas wagon because I'd seen his Watcher breadcrumbs.

I don't see any mention of this. Anywhere. At all. There's a huge gap between VV's claim and your call to RC to play better, with no mention of VaVa himself.

-Dunno, guess it's WIFOMy but I really don't see how people think I would link myself to a scumbuddy in a fake claim. 2 for 1 special isn't really my style. Is it just completely unfathomable that a townie and SK could have linked roles? Seriously, death by bastard modding is going to be a really lame way to end a 54 page game.

You say 54 pages like that's long
It's not at all unfathomable; I backed up a game where something very similar happened. As for linking yourselves together, it's not necessarily out of the question although I concede most people wouldn't do it.

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EB I dont' see scum tying themselves to a scum partner so

either VV/EB are a team or on different side.

...what options are left

I think Elli or Llama or both are scum and sadly you Vi will lead to the town's downfall.

Okay, I'll chug the Appeal to Fear wine, play your game and say that I don't know what I'm talking about. What should I do right now?

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Charlie, please see someone.

[Vi]

Vi: As I said before. I don't see EB flipping scum. I stated this before. Elli/Llama are my picks for scum. I would and have voted Elli over Llama because I believe Elli more likely scum the Llama.

I meant what would you want ME to do.

[Vi]

Vi: have you even noticed that Elli nor Llama are saying shit during this time. They in my view are just hoping someone hammers.
This is to the point of actively lurking.

Yes I have. I have also noticed that most of Ellibereth's posts for the last Day or two have been about three lines long and generally along the idea of "checking in; why haven't we lynched". Or at least that's what I remember.

On the other hand he went out of his way to clear omnino/Seacore, and he did swing vote between Seacore and Socrates (not to mention bussed TonyMontana/Socrates for a long time). L-Fluff had the whole orchestrated claim thing going.

It occurs to me that it would have been really awesome if ani had truthfully claimed, even if he was going to get lynched anyway.

[Vi]

*twitches uncontrollably near Ellibereth*

@Ellibereth 1358 - Cop result. I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this to you before.

[Vi]

Le Fluff du Llama needs moar scumhunting.

[Vi]

Actually, im starting to lean away from a EB and towards Eli lynch given what im seeing from VV. One of the biggest things was this

Major facepalm for my self. I just realized how much I've been ignoring the vote count(due to the unicorny-ness...*snicker* also colors.) and how easy it is to decide my vote with the recent one. Robocopter wagon has most of my scummier reads(Hi dram! Hi TM!) whilst EB wagon has all of my townie reads. Mind numbingly easy, this one.

Vote: EB

L-2, I believe. Claim tiem now?

While there was momentum in the direction of the EB wagon, it was a tie vote near deadline. For most of the game untill this point EB had been refered to as town by VV. If EB is scum and had the fakeclaim planned pregame, this is an even worse move by VV since its going to lock up two scum preventing them from claiming however they want.

That actually makes sense.

Also, just because.

Ah! Llama, I think you're a Death Miller.

A Death Miller, a Beloved Princess, and more than two scum in the same Mini game?

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I have an idea: cross kill. There are no killing townie roles, and multiple scum factions. Do you see any indication of another mechanic that would counter the idea?

...no... <_<
Although I think there's a way for multiple people to be right. What if ReaperCharlie and VasudeVa were the Mafia faction? I

have

seen Goon Cops before, and they make more sense than SK Cops. From the perspective of searching for an SK, YOU'RE in the clear and Ellibereth/L-Fluff's play becomes more understandable. (Elli's more so.)

[Vi]

A Death Miller, a Beloved Princess, and more than two scum in the same Mini game?

What else could it be?

The only thing the no color thing would affect is flip, unless there are TWO of the sk'ish people

out there per the front post (I remember it saying at least one for the color gather condition).

Your logic: I don't understand it.

Colorless wouldn't change the flip (more than just the listing of the colors).
It WOULD be a no-gain for the alt. Win Condition. Why there would have to be two of them is I don't know what.

In kind of related news, who's scum?

[Vi]

Only thing im having a problem with is the second kill, although delayed poisioner from SK is the only thing that makes sense.

Not really. If RC and VV were on the same team, and if there is a yet-unknown SK, then we have a maximum of two kills blocked N1, two kills N2, and then after both RC and VV were killed, just one kill N3 - consistent with an SK.

Under this hypothesis, the Cop result on Robocopter is useless. It also means farside isn't the SK but that should already be obvious. It also means that we can't clear E-Badger and hp[charlie] by association, which brings us back to the question of who's playing most like an SK (answer is currently Ellibereth).

I

do

have a question for ElectricBadger though, and I apologize if it has already been answered.
You said that the Prismatic Robot Pony is

mod-confirmed Town

. What was the basis for that?

[Vi]

@Vi: Seeing another hammer is within your grasp, what do you think of it?

As you can see I'm not exactly in a hurry, seeing as how trying to rush through this game hasn't exactly helped up to this point. The options are now Ellibereth, Charlie, L-Fluff, and Robocopter. I'll take Charlie off the list. LlamaFluff seems to like being third and fourth on the wagons, Ellibereth is posting whatever nonsense he can at this point, and Robocopter is flying under ze radar. From there it comes down to a judgment call. Of these three, I think I can believe L-Fluff and to a lesser extent Robocopter, but I'm not certain. The problem is that I don't know what to ask to help make the decision, and I don't think there's anything I

can

ask. At this point I think I'm waiting for Ellibereth to say some last words, and then we see what happens.

Something I thought of last night but was too half-asleep to post - E-Badger can go back in the "claimed Town" category. An SK whose results go to the Mafia makes no sense.

I interpreted 'working together' to mean we were on the same team, but in retrospect I'm forced to assume it was an 'enemy of my enemy' collaboration sort of meaning.

I think you're reading too much into it.

@mod: Is the Win Condition in Post 1 exclusive? i.e. if that player's Win Condition is realized, does that player leave the game and let the game continue?

[Vi]

I'm off your scumlist? I guess I'm a bit flattered...but may I know why? Is it because of my BP claim?

Mod, is a mass colour claim forbidden by law in this kingdom?

Largely the BP claim, given that associations with RC and VV are meaningless.

Why off earth do you want a mass color claim, especially given the alt. Win Condition?

[Vi]

But if you're asking if it's allowed, wouldn't that imply that you're suggesting it?

[Vi]

Before any "last words" some things need to cleared up, I'm missing something big somehwere!??!?
WHY are we assuming that mafia are the colorless, I thought it was clear that it was the other war around?
Why are we still looking for an SK?

Reading the topic is awesome.

[Vi]

Only thing im having a problem with is the second kill, although delayed poisioner from SK is the only thing that makes sense.

Not really. If RC and VV were on the same team, and if there is a yet-unknown SK, then we have a maximum of two kills blocked N1, two kills N2, and then after both RC and VV were killed, just one kill N3 - consistent with an SK.

[Vi]

I don't think so...
DARK HORSE fits with the alt win condition, also the thing I mentioned about tenmillion times about Reaper posting in twilight.

I disagree and have good reason to think I'm right.

Also, I think there's one more princeling (scum) and what happened was BOTH SK and mafia targetted badger N1. N2. Self explanatory, and Tony's dead for today.

Which doesn't answer the obvious question going around - if RC was an SK, why did two people get poisoned N2?

Do you think this discussion will save you?

[Vi]

[Vi]

I still see no reason to switch my vote but EB may be scum with Elli.
Just that gut feeling coming up. Still feeling llama scum.

Just how many scum do you think are in this game

[Vi]

For what it is worth, I'm pretty confident that Ellibereth is mafia. The recent low activity level is a little discouraging, but I'd say we can lynch with roughly 1 week to deadline. Thoughts?

There's no rush. Or do you think there is one?

[Vi]

I only colorcoded what we know FOR SURE instead of what I think. I've been trying to gather stuff the we know FOR SURE instead of all these speculation posts that hvae been going on.

I felt so clueless but not so much anymore with all the info I gathered.

Anyway, i want some opinions on what this data recorded here actually means. What people feel they get from this.

Asking people to analyze information you put out looks like you're trying to get by with IIoA, for future reference.

I'm more interested in the bolded. Tell me what clues you've gotten~

Also for future reference if you wanted a list of those sorts of things, you could ask me.
I keep track of my games with vote spreadsheets so I'm not completely running off my (usually incorrect) memory.

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hp L-1 wagon: Eli, Soc, VV, EB

You're missing me in the first position, before anyone asks.

[Vi]

I'm pretty sure that's not how it works.

[Vi]

I also spy Ellibereth elsewhere onsite.

[Vi]

I'm about to hammer Elli.
Any objections?

None. I just got back in and was going to say the same thing.

Scum could have hammered Elli along time ago. Unless there is a split faction I don't see how Elli can be anything more then scum because hammering town for scum should be a auto win for them at this point.

Six-and-a-half player LyLo with two scum dead?

[Vi]

And then there were 5.

*twitch*

[Vi]

*Crosses fingers and

hopes you guys are right

*

Washing your hands of the lynch?

Sorry you're twitchy.

Sorry you say things that look suspicious and out of place from a Town perspective.

[Vi]

*Crosses fingers and

hopes you guys are right

*

Washing your hands of the lynch?

Sorry you're twitchy.

Sorry you say things that look suspicious and out of place from a Town perspective.

[Vi]

*Crosses fingers and

hopes you guys are right

*

Washing your hands of the lynch?

Sorry you're twitchy.

Sorry you say things that look suspicious and out of place from a Town perspective.

[Vi]

Wow, I thought that was a Preview Refresh >.>

I mean, I TRIPLEPOSTED FOR

EMPHASIS

[Vi]

*Crosses fingers and

hopes you guys are right

*

Washing your hands of the lynch?

My view was pretty well expressed before the wagon started, but since the game is still going I'm reasonably sure I was wrong, actually.

Then why cross your fingers?

[Vi]

E-Badger didn't get and wouldn't have gotten lynched because of successful WIFOM. I'm impressed.

Had the next Day come my decision would have been between E-Badger and Charlie, heavy on the Charlie side. Note to Chaz - don't say things that look blatantly suspicious ("and then there were five") or needlessly cryptic ("I believe this game is well-balanced and colorful.") or out of place ("and you wanted so much for him to flip scum!"). While I realize it's a null-tell from a purely objective standpoint, people (i.e. me) don't play from a purely objective standpoint.

Scum Governor+Beloved Princess made this a game that could swing hard against the Town; the only reason scum got lynched at all in this game was because we happened to target ReaperCharlie. Then it just would have been a matter of WIFOM as to why E-Badger and VV were still alive the next Day. Either way, between the limited reveals and the way this game was set up there was plenty of potential for Town to have essentially NO useful flip information until Twilight 3.

The people who got lynched deserved it 125%. That's not necessarily to say that they should have been lynched, just that they deserved it. Being able to tell the difference between those categories is "skill" in Mafia.

So let's see what I got here.

[ ] ani - don't even remember what read I got, but I did help lynch him
[x] Seacore - Town in spite of himself
[0.5] dramonic - Town after a while in spite of himself, scum after RCharlie lynch
[x] farside - Too Town to pursue D1; Town afterward
[x] Robocopter - VI-Town D1, below radar Ds 2 and 3, would have been superTown D5 because of the Ellibereth hammer
[0.5] hp[leaves] - Scum at the end of D1, as not scum as you could get D3
[x] L-Fluff - Town D1, never got past being on the bubble of being scum
[0.5] Ellibereth - Town D1 and D2, scum afterward
[0.5] E-Badger - Scum D1, Town after claim
[x] VasudeVa - Scum right up until his claim, including a remark that he was pinging scumtells I didn't even know I had
[x] TM/Soc/RC - On waiting list for scum D1, finally got to him D2

It doesn't look as bad in hindsight. As it stands, this is going to be my last game for a while.
Ever since I've gotten these boxes under my name (reference #6), I've lost five out of five Town games, usually in spectacular fashion pulling defeat from the jaws of victory.

Last - I'm not reading the endgame scene again so this can be my mental image of the Dark Horse.

[Vi]

Actually, one other comment.

The scum fakeclaims - which basically won them the game - were only possible because of daytalk. In addition, Dark Horse as Inverted Traitor is actually quite a bit stronger than an ordinary Traitor. A scumteam trying not to get acci-bussed by a Traitor will have an easier time getting out of it than a Traitor trying not to get acci-bussed by a scumteam.

Just a setup design note. Daytalk is not a non-factor unless the scumteam is incompatible or incompetent to start with.

[Vi]

The first comment I agree with, I guess that wasn't necessary. I guess at that time I was wondering if there were anybody wanting to twilight talk.

You want Twilight talk, go to your local bookstore and look for the people dressed in black

No hard feelings, of course. Thanks for replacing in!

[Vi]

Oh hey, a question:

Scum Governor+Beloved Princess made this a game that could swing hard against the Town

You are the Robot Princess of the Robot Unicorns.

If you are lynched, the next Day phase does not occur, as everyone is attending your funeral.

If you malfunction and die, the next Night phase does not occur, as everyone is unable to shut down due to their feelings of loss.

Is the BP role usually packaged with "Lynched=2 nights, NK-ed=2 days"?

No. Usually a B. Princess skips the next Day phase regardless of when the Princess is killed. Skipping the next Night in your role was probably added as a balancing mechanism.

[Vi]

Waitaminute.

ElectricBadger is the only winner of this game? VasudeVa autolossed himself to make E-Badger the Dark Horse?

[Vi]

Also, Vi would be 3x funnier if he weren't aiming for my neck. You have no idea how much I panicked to your constant pressure >.>.

^.^ That's the point.
But panicking is a common theme for first scum games. The sooner you can learn to take it easy and relax under pressure, the better for you both ingame and IRL.

h right, I also forgot to thank you guys(EB and Vi mostly) for teaching me the ropes. I was fresh out of my newbie games when I joined this one. I really learned a lot from this game. Made me go from D1 lynch to D1 wagon(Hey, it's an improvement...).

Now that you're

dead

out of the game, I'm willing to help if you ask. And besides, your scumpartner ALSO got wagoned D1...

But I suggest you take a look at who Percy said won.~

Consider it payment for ReaperCharlie Twilight-posting.

I'm a bit amazed that you guys aimed for dram/Elli before even attempting to look into EB. Did he really pull off the 'OMG Bastard Mod' stuff, or what?

Had we conclusively known there was only one scum faction, EB would have been toasted.
I've seen people donate results to SKs; I

haven't

seen people donate results to Mafiosi.