Mini 969 - Smalltown: Stardust Mafia (Game Over)
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Yes, U.S. Navy, been in for 6 1/2 years.ReaperCharlie wrote:U.S. military? If so, that's funny that you're stationed in Sicily. No wonder you play Mafia.
I'm also going to rewatch the movie this weekend for a refresher.
Go Go Gadget....
Vote: charter
because he hasn't been in the thread since he chose his role.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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On Magna
I'm not sure what's up here with Magna.
In Post 94, he states:
Whether or not the role PM is in the opening post, this post just strikes me as odd. I really don't understand why the announcement of checking it in another window, rather than just doing it.MagnaofIllusion wrote:The problem with tracking is that I believe the Lord Sept. is immune to being Tracked.
Let me check in another window ... yes I am remembering correct.
I'd suggest Bodyguarding would be a good double choice.
His deflection and air of overdefensiveness just doesn't sit well reading his 1v1 with Jack.
On Zang
I feel a bit of buddying in Post 118, where Zang just casually dismisses Magna's actions and the 1v1 as TownvTown just because "the argument against magna is weak".
He also states that he feels that Jack is "more of a misguided townie than a scumbag".
You need REASONS to back up both of these statements. You can't just state things like this and expect them to immediately be golden.
I'm also wondering just why it seems like Zang knows this is a TownvTown discussion and why neither one could be scum. It's quite early to have any good reads yet.
Vote: Zang
On ReaperCharlie
What's your rate?ReaperCharlie wrote:Cool, I haven't been in that long yet. I hit 5 yrs next month though.
AE, here.
If you are still saying that you need to be more convinced of who is scum and who is not, how can you trust Zang's point of TownvTown?ReaperCharlie wrote:I had originally voted MoI but I changed it to also being an FoS due to Zang's point about this possibly being town v town (which is a completely legitimate caution) and I don't want to be voting and unvoting and stuff until I am more convinced of who is scum and who is not.
I'm pretty concerned about Charlie's sudden overdefensiveness in Post 155, as well as his subtle threats ("Don'tmisrep me again")
Also, posts like 169 are far too long and very unneccessary. I will admit that I TL;DR that entire monstrosity.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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I apologize if protecting my fellow Americans at my base overseas annoys some of you, but I didn't want to get shit about not being around over the weekend because I didn't post a V/LA.
So I'm a little upset. I found my Stardust DVD case the other night, but the DVD wasn't inside it!
GRAWR.
On Magna
So you admit to deflecting his questioning of you in order to spin it all back around on him?MagnaofIllusion wrote:If turning the tables on someone who attacks me for frivolous and patently incorrect reasons is seen as defensive so be it. Post 110 pretty much clearly shows why I think Jack’s reasoning is absurd.
Interesting.
I know that the above is directed at RC, but this just feels like a very opportunistic move onto him.MagnaofIllusion wrote:You seem trying quite so hard to say in no uncertain terms that you are doing town a favor by creating discussion. Town needs more direct scum-hunting and less mass FOSing and strangely worded posts. And at this point I sense you are more worked up by TNM's vote on you than vice versa.
You say all of this, but don't provide any examples of where you think he did what you are accusing him of.
This is about all I have right now because I really can't get through the wall o'texts at work.
I know some of my posts can be big, but they are concise. These college essay style postings need to stop, and when they do, I bet activity would pick up.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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I'm sorry y'all. I had a busy last couple weeks.
I'm re-reading from my vote on Zang forward, since it's only a few pages.
On ReaperCharlie
I don't know if I ever answered this for you or not, but an AE is an Aviation Electrician's Mate.ReaperCharlie wrote:@ Starbuck. Marine Corps E-3. What's AE?
I'm not a fan of RC's constant references to the MS Wiki in Post 189. It feels like he's trying too hard.
On Jack
Seeing the flips from last night, this post does not give me confidence in Jack as town.Jack wrote:It's possible that magna is town and simply jumps on the rhetoric-train for no good reason.
RC also points out in Post 224 that Jack is pretty confident that Faraday is a townie.
And now seeing that MoI flipped town, I could see how Jack would use MoI's "I need to check something comment" as an opportunistic push.
But on the other hand, I don't know if Jack would set himself up like that.
Must ponder on this more.
On totallynotmafia
The above is addressed to RC, but I feel a rather condescending tone here.totallynotmafia wrote:The V/LA bit would be fine normally, it's the fact that you came back and complained about activity levels without actually having contributed yourself. To me it seems like a way of trying to look town and I've seen it been done by scum before.
I agree about his coming back and complaining about activity levels, especially if you were contributing to it due to a V/LA. But I think you are grasping at straws with the last statement.
On charter
Thank you for playing with me so much that you know me this well.charter wrote:I'd rather not lynch Starbuck, because I'm pretty sure she will be able to post more and the lurking is just her being busy.
I wish others would.
And that's the end of Day 1.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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I've been recently told by my hubby that he wants a divorce, so I've had a lot going on this week. I've really only been posting in places where I haven't needed to worry about catching up.
I've got notepad up now, and I'll have something posted before the end of today.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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I'm not making it up. I can only apologize for my lack of posts. I am a part of a huge operation tomorrow for work, but most of my stuff is from one concentrated area. So hopefully I'll have a computer and be able to give this game the full attention it deserves.
I have asked for replacement in one of my other games just because it's too intricate.
I hate people who give excuses about catching up and I apologize for my lack of contribution. Jack has played with me before and he should know better about me. I am not a flaker.
As for my vote and Liam's post on this page, my vote is on Jack and that is where it will stay. I do believe him to be scum.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Page 13 & 14
I love how so many people are quick to jump to the conclusion of me scumslipping. Most typical actions (doctor, roleblocker, etc) have one target. Mine has two.
Pretty much instead of using the word "action" in Post 301, I should have used the word "targets" since I have more than one target for my action when I use it.
On Jack
I find it to be pretty convenient that Jack just seems to come up with only 3 scenarios of what possibly happened last night, but in all of them, he can't be at fault for anything the occurred.
I'm pretty sure that Jack is lying scum.
What is this supposed to mean? Just because I didn't comment on something that you wanted me to comment on makes me scum now?Jack wrote:It's telling that starbuck said nothing about the "no role could have interfered with jack's kill" comments (and that they were made).
If you wanted my opinion about something, why don't you just say it instead of beating around the bush?
He gives a scum list in Post 308 which all consists of all the people who have challenged him in some way. Are you going to do some actual scumhunting anytime soon Jack? Or will your scumlist just always have the people that annoy you?
Why does Zang need to verify something you said? Whether he networked with you or not, the rest of us cannot see your QT. So you making him answer questions directed towards you does not still well with me.Jack wrote:Ask Zang about the 2nd part. I figured you as scum when I saw the kill missed.
You are making a lot of assumptions with this statement.Jack wrote:Reaper is scum, so SB saving him means they are scumbuddies, and thus not SK. The mafia would not redirect my kill to the person they killed.
It is better to lynch you because it gives the mafia one less person on their team.Jack wrote:The best plan for town is to lynch starbuck and have me vig reaper. Now, I would like someone (preferably someone voting me) to argue that it is better to lynch me because it is dangerous to give the mafia another kill.
Like you should be talking.Jack wrote:Reaper, some advice for you if you get a scum role again. If this game had more good active townies, they would literally laughing out loud at how blatantly bad your scummy arguments are.
WIFOM of the grandest proportion.Jack wrote:Yesterday I said "RC IS OBVSCUM", named a scum team with proposed partners, guaranteed that I would target RC and warned everyone against interfering. There is no way a townie vig does not target RC after saying that.
On Zangtotallynotmafia wrote:Zang, can you answer my question, why did you choose to network with Jack?
This is fishy.Zang wrote:I networked him because he's probably the only one (besides maybe the lurkers) who doesn't think I'm obvscum.
If you were town, you would network someone else who you feel is town.
If you were scum, your scum buddy.
This reasoning is enough for me to say that Jack and Zang are scumbuddies, and they probably don't even need that separate QT since they have the mafia one.
On GroupThink
Are you going to post more than one-liners?
On totallynotmafia
I'm still trying to catch up, but once I am done, I'll go back and answer this one for you.totallynotmafia wrote:Who would you have targeted with your ability if you were around to submit?
Just wanted to acknowledge that I know you asked this.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Zang, you really just pulled apart that post to so that you could talk what I said and make it mean what you wanted it to mean, which is the definition of MISREPRESENTATION.
I completely understand why everyone is freaking out about that post. Why are you purposely going out of your way to make it look like that I don't?Zang wrote:Targets would make no sence in place of actions.
You are not scum because you put actions instead of targets, you are scum because you put actions instead of action.
Obviously, if I had used the word "targets" then the grammar of that sentence WOULD be different. I figured that WOULD be understood and I wouldn't have to break it down Elmo style.
I'm not happy with how quick you are to misrepresent me.
You are really sticking your head out on a limb for Jack. Why do you feel that he isn't scum?
According to Post 324, you said you networked Jack because...zANG wrote:I do feel he is town but that is not why I networked him.
And if I was scum, why wouldn't I use my ability?
Absolutely NOTHING there about whether or not you feel that he's protown.Zang wrote:Jacks quickhammer has nothing to do with why I networked him.I networked him because he's probably the only one (besides maybe the lurkers) who doesn't think I'm obvscum.
Also, where did I state that you wouldn't use your ability? That's NOT the issue here.
Then in Post 332, you answer Kdub's question of...
You DON'T FIRMLY STATE that you believe Jack to be town. You say he "might be". There's a big difference between IS and MAYBE.Zang wrote:Kdub wrote:Do you think the fact that Jack doesn't suspect you somehow makes him more likely to be town? I'm interested to see what case you come up with against Starbuck considering she's barely posted in the game so far.Me thinking that he was town had little relation to me voting for him.No, although I do think he might be.
Did you not read the big bold letters at the top of that post which stated "Page 13 & 14"? To me, that would show that I wasn't fully caught up yet.Zang wrote:Also, besides the scumslip, did you respond to any of the accusations against you? Or instead of trying to prove that you are town, you are trying to make jack look like scum?
But since you are so quick to jump down my throat, I guess you would miss that, wouldn't you?
Now, will you let me finishing catching up or are you going to continue to be a distraction from that, since I just debunked your whole post?<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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On CallMeLiam
Are you serious about you vote in Post 356 on RC? Given everything else that's going on in the game, that's a very weak reason to be voting someone. Do you have any real suspicion of him? Or are you only voting him because you are annoyed?
So if you feel that Jack is scum, why would you not want to lynch the most suspected person rather than someone who you aren't quite sure of?CallMeLiam wrote:Jack's lynch seems inevitable, and is a good one, but lynching his buddy would be fine also.
What has he done that makes him scummy to you?CallMeLiam wrote:In the mean time I prefer to leave my vote on you because you're acting just as scummy as Jack during the day and your continued presence in the game makes no sense if you're town.The only reason you're alive is that your scum buddy got cold feet about killing you.Once he's swung, you're up.
It seems like you know the bolded for a fact.
And why are you trying to set up a lynch for tomorrow?
On Jack
Can you provide examples of this?Jack wrote:TNM is on there for blatant horrible waffling.
You know that I'm the queen of the MS rules and guidelines, so I'll just let it speak for itself..Jack wrote:But I'm more interested in wiping out the mafia,kind of a personal grudge.
Mith's Forum Rules and Guidelines
The fact that you are stating that you have something personal affecting your judgment of things going on in this game is bothersome.mith wrote:Do not bring outside influences into the game - this includes threats, bribes, wagers, promises, alliances, etc. Using knowledge from previous games is perfectly acceptable, buttry not to carry grudges from one game to another.
I'd also greatly appreciate if you would stop insulting charter.
Things like...
Jack wrote:If you're town you're a ****** moron and getting vigged if we play again.Jack wrote:...you blithering idiot.
are not helpful at all.Jack wrote:If you are town, replace out in shame please. Hell, if you're scum replace out in shame.
So why is Kdub scum now?Jack wrote:On reflection, I think I'm confusing myself by insisting on the SK label for kdub. He could just be regular scum, and one of the other guys could be the SK.
He's going to be 6th on your list now after charter, isn't he?
This is bullshit, quit assuming that you know what I'm doing.Jack wrote:Also starbuck is blatantly just sitting and waiting for me to be lynched.
On Zang
You just recently mentioned his action.Zang wrote:
But it is one of the reasons why I thought he was town which you did ask.Also, I didn't ask you whether or not you felt he used his ability
I'm going to be doing an iso of you when I'm done and see just how many times you mention what Jack's alignment is.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Zang in relation to Jack
Day 1
From Post 118...
From Post 127...Zang wrote:I think this Jack and magna thing is Town vs Town.
He blatantly states twice in a row here that Jack is town.Zang wrote:And I think it's Town vs town because tbhe argument against magna is weak and I see Jack as more of a misguided townie than a scumbag.
He then backtracks in Post 146 after being questioned about his certainty of their towniness to...
Then in Post 180Zang wrote:2.I never said I rulled them out. I just don't think they are scummy because of what they are being accused of.
Hypocritical much?Zang wrote:Once again, I never said either jack or magna is town. I just don't think they are scum/SK/whatever because of the arguments currently against them.
So at the beginning of Day 1, Zang says "Jack is town! Jack is town!" Then it backtracks to "I don't think he's scummy". Then "I NEVER said Jack or Magna is town".
Day 2
From Post 292...
From Post 324...Zang wrote:I networked Jack.
I already beat the above to a pulp in my previous posts.Zang wrote:Jacks quickhammer has nothing to do with why I networked him. I networked him because he's probably the only one (besides maybe the lurkers) who doesn't think I'm obvscum.
From Post 332...Zang wrote:
No, although I do think he might be. Me thinking that he was town had little relation to me voting for him.Kdub wrote:Do you think the fact that Jack doesn't suspect you somehow makes him more likely to be town? I'm interested to see what case you come up with against Starbuck considering she's barely posted in the game so far.
From Post 415...Zang wrote:I do feel he is town but that is not why I networked him.
From Post 417...Zang wrote:Starbuck wrote:You are really sticking your head out on a limb for Jack. Why do you feel that he isn't scum?He isn't scum because you areand because I see no reason why he would not use his CPR ability.
So basically Day 2 goes as Zang saying, "Hey guys, I networked with Jack NOT BECAUSE I believe him to be town, but because he doesn't think I'm obvscum."
"I'm not sure anymore that he's town or scum, but he might be town."
Zang has not said one accusatory thing to Jack all game. He's gone as far as to white knight him.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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I'm still not lying about my actions on Night 1.
And I AM getting a divorce. I went to legal last Monday. If you guys need to verify MY FUCKING PERSONAL LIFE, I can get Reck in here for you. It's not a pretty situation in my household right now. So to even be an asshole and say that you THINK I'm joking about MY FUCKING LIFE FALLING APART is fucking douchebaggery at it's god damn best.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Wow, Charlie, you are full of crap. Nice try making it look like you hammered too. Scum are delving into desperate tactics, aren't they?
If you guys are so certain that I'm not the SK, why haven't you hammered me yet?
I'm going to lose this game and so is the town.
If you are town and your vote is still on me, you are wrong.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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This is the only reason that I can figure that Jack's flavor did not show when I redirected him.ooba wrote:Only Roleblock and Redirect affect other night actions. They happen first. In case of a loop between both of them (i.e Roleblocker blocks the Redirector who redirects the roleblocker), the Roleblocking action will take precedence.
Unvote, Vote: ReaperCharlie<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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And what a way to AtE your fucking gambit.ReaperCharlie wrote:I was PISSED when neither were scum, because I really thought havingfitz was scum over you. Turns out I was wrong on both counts and I am a horrible SK. But I've never been one before, so.
There's no fucking way that you felt that havingfitz was scum over me because YOU ARE SCUM.
You didn't kill me via Night Kill because you are scum and you know that I'm an easy lynch during the day. Obviously, I won't target myself with a kill and the scum isn't stupid enough to kill me. Although, if I don't die on this lynch, I will probably die tonight.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Starbuck Jack of All Trades
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