959: Malth's Alternate Reality: Game Over

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/profirm

I dislike being against things .

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Vote: malthusis

FoS: Sociopath

Because SP is lying, and he never fingered me, suspiciously OR OTHERWISE!

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To be clear, I wouldn't actually advise a D1 mod lynch.

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Voting the mod is how I open every game

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...and we have clearly identified the VI for this game.

Pretty sure he's town, but I have an eye on him (Pittbunny)

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For the time being, you have not shown anything that would imply otherwise. And it's not you're an idiot overall, just a village idiot, i.e. basically making every textbook "mistake" you can make in a game of mafia.

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xvart, are we going to see quote stripes from you all game? Because dear God I am going to go batshit insane midway through D1 if I have to switch between brown and white 20 times everytime I read one of your posts.

Please learn the art of succinctness before you make a Kitten cry.

At any rate: What benefit for scum does self voting have? Especially in a meta where people will jump on you like mad for self voting?

Secondly, What in his posts has made you believe he's scum?

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Actually, the silver is blindingly bright, so I can't use that either. And MafTyger makes my eyes bleed.

And quote stripes are shit. They make a post look bigger even though it contains barely any content, they do the aforementioned color switching which is hard on the eyes, they tend to take things out of context, which is pretty damn bad (honestly, if you linked the post in question that you are quoting, I could probably almost forgive you), among the many other things I've probably gone on at length about how quote stripes suck.

I don't plan to bitch all game, but I've stated my case for the horridness of quote stripes. If I miss something because you've chosen to persist posting in such a manner, too
goddamn
bad.

Now, I'm not going to go out of my way to not read quote stripes, but I'm not going to go out of my way to read them either. Expect me to skim bullshit posts with lots of quote stripes. That's all that needs to be said.

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You misunderstand quote stripes. I'm talking about a post that has line after line after line of random sundry quotes and short one liner responses. One or two quotes doesn't suck. It kinda makes sense.

As for taking things out of context...you WANT people to have a free ticket to misrep others? That's...kinda not good?

You could always repeat the crux of the point you are questioning to avoid overdoing quote stripes ^-^.

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That's a bullshit strawman and you damn well know it, SP.

How much longer do you want to argue this, btw? We are mostly chaffing up the game, like we always do. I have my position, you have yours. I've stated my response to it. I'm not going to AVOID quote stripe posts, but if I miss something, you'll probably have to restate it or rather directly point to it somehow.

Also, links in quote stripes still are really cool, if not as cool as just straight links and rephrasing it.

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Nah, we're adults, we can get out of the argument.

Also, if you are going to post could you at least produce some sort of content? at least the fight between me and SP has SOME mafia application, if not a lot.

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Noticing that myself. Unfortunately don't get the advantage of a cross game meta through the amazingness of offsite + similar behavior bullshit.

Granted, it'd be a general meta, not a specific one, which isn't as reliable.

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Twomz? What the hell kind of logic do you...what?

No...seriously, how does that work "I've only voted for scum so I'm obv town..."...to be said when SELF VOTING?

Please, try again when you've thought things through.

@xvart: I know it when I see it. Mostly when they effect the readability of a post.
regarding Pittbunny, nah, not seeing it except the annoying lack of content, which is sorta excusable on page three.
As for too damn bad, sure. If you can satisfactorily show your confusion. Good luck with that

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The flip side of frequent posting is you create a lot of chaff which makes rereads harder, and makes you look scummier, due to signal noise ratio.

This is mildly hypocritical since I have a high signal noise ratio as well in general.

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Once again, Cobalt is wrong.

This is not very surprising because, well, Navy said it best.

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Jack likes easy targets ^-^.

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I say it because that statement was pretty easy fodder when it has negligible benefit for me to say as scum. It's one of those "oh look a scumtells" that doesn't really appear to pan out that often ^-^.

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Well, it's something I do, Jack ^-^.

Why should I value the opinion of people who are wrong?

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Well, I only know they are wrong in one case ^-^. So, if they are demonstrating wrongness on the one fact I know, I think it's fair to generalize them being wrong in general til they decide to be right ^-^.

And I never get lynched, not til D3 anyway. Would you like to start a wagon on me?

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Define scummy, Jack ^-^

As for scum doing things that don't benefit them, then how am I being scummy?

Please, explain for me how not hurting the town is scummy?


Also,

Unvote, Vote Twomz

I love opportunists ^-^.

Why the above was scummy:
Decides to ignore scumminess instead taking a "challenge"
No indication that twomz thinks I'm scum (idk, maybe he thinks it's implied, so maybe he should explain it?)
A subtle "Hey, I can get the town on my side while perpetuating a mislynch" that reeks throughout that post.

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Let's see...

I'm thinking...that you are just being a...
*puts on sunglasses*
truculent JACKass

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH~!

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Twomz' reaction to my reaction makes it hilariously blatant he's scum ^-^

@Pitt: A who?

@Jack: Congratulations, you acknowledge step 2 of scumhunting and promptly fail at it. So let's up the question. Why am I, as scum, more likely to act the way I did? If you can explain that, then maybe you would actually not seem as silly as you are at the moment.

@SP: Hmmmmmmmmmmm...

Nyeh, I have nothing to say atm wrt your latest post.


Pitt's unvote actually bothers me a lot.

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I'm trying to figure out where Pitt gets "everyone has two powers" from.

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Cobalt: What about Sociopath's interaction with me that caused me to talk about the quote stripe bullshit for more than one post? Or were you going to conveniently ignore that?

Though, to be fair, Pitt's most recent posts make me more ill at ease about him.

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But redundancy gets people lynched! Trouble is, I don't want to drop Twomz since he's been pretty bad.

To be clear, the unvote is one of those things that just overall feels like "Look at me I'm so conscientious and protown", and also would theoretically make you look better were I lynched anyway. The weird speculation about 2 powers per role feels like a slight rolefish, almost as if you are daring people to contradict you.

The non confrontational fluff doesn't help.

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I...

That's...

I have an o.O face at how fucking retarded you're being.

That's...it boggles the mind that you are somehow manufacturing a scumtell like that.

Please, explain how that makes me scummy before I have an aneurysm.

Also, you aren't going to lynch me. It's impossible. You MIGHT get my claim but that would be because people on my wagon are pretty across the board boneheads. I'd advise not forcing it to such measures, and actually hunting scum.

I'm also curious how much "Game material" you had by page 3 I think it was?

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Unvote, Vote Pitt

Seriously? You admit that you want to rolefish? How is outting roles at all beneficial? That just friggen gives the scum a pretty good idea who they should target.

I'm...just boggling at that statement even more than I was at Cobalt's.

Also, cute, Cobalt.

I notice that you don't explain your scumtell. Probably because you can't ^-^.

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Cobalt: Or maybe UK is wondering about your motives in ignoring Sociopath's contribution to the chaff, as well as what magical game relevance YOU had provided. I don't see how what you've pointed out is a scumtell.

Pitt: How close were we to a hammer? Who would honestly be stupid enough to pile two more votes on me, watch me flip town, and be instalynched tomorrow? L-2 isn't as dangerous as you'd think.

And, as for data, some data helps the scum more than the town. Again, how does any of this information help town?

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But what USE does that data have? The uninformed majority is pretty much ALWAYS going to get less out of that than the informed minority would. I can't tell if you genuinely think this is a good idea or if you are trying to pretend as such to see if you can get a little data to better guide your night kill...

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That falls under the latter assessment I think. And honestly, I lean towards that latter or I would have unvoted ^-^.

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Why aren't more people voting Twomz or have actual scumtells become invisible?

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...seriously? Even though it's already been demonstrated, Pitt?

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malt, sure. But voting forbiddanlight? That'd be counted as someone else. And is.

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Hi CJ.

Any reasoning behind your vote ^-^?

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So, we are 7 pages into the game.

And you are doing what is effectively a random vote?

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That's a really terrible way to play. D1 can be rather valuable later in the game. It does town no favors to be obtuse and useless.

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Arguments from hypocrisy are not good arguments. Plus, I've been pretty straightforward and actually produced content. Further, I already caught two scum, they just need to flip. What have you done?

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Any objections to lynching Pittbunny D1 and Twomz D2 and moving on, or does anyone want to discuss something else before we end those days with two scum down?

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I think the burden of proof is on those accusing me as for voting me.

I see no case on me, so it's rather silly.

As for "setting up lynches", I can't help it if you two are scum ^-^.

Produce a case and I'll tell you why you're a fucktard ^-^. I'm sure we can reach an amicable agreement on why lynching me is stupid.

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I think I see what Jack sees. Thing is, I don't think it's scummy at this time. But that does depend on a few factors.

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vote: cjmiller because mislynches are best used on anti-town morons that you can't quite read because they don't do anything. Srsly. Your playstyle is basically 'It's d1, so I'm allowed to try to push bullshit lynches without explaining my actions.'

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Unvote, Vote llama

So...you KNOW that CJMiller is a mislynch? And want to do it anyway? What?

Ugh...Pitt's post makes me want to revote him but...that mislynch thing is ridiculously bad.

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Oh, I have an alternate interpretation as well. But I would prefer to have him respond first.

And yes, you don't give people answers. It's like a test. Except rather than failure looking bad on their permanent record, it outs them as scum.

You don't want to stop people outting themselves as scum, do you?

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llama, meta. Now.

I want to see posts in prior games where you have held the belief that every lynch is wrong until shown otherwise by the flip.

Preferably games where you've done that as town, though if you can provide both scum and town examples (or even third party), it would be helpful.

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The case is basically the fact that pretty much every contribution of his for pretty much the entire game has been some specious rhetoric for lynching UK, without any case behind it. It's stupid and anti town, and quite frankly a good scum strategy to avoid dropping tells on D1, when they are most likely to fall.

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Ah, let me rephrase that. HALF his contributions have been lynch UK rhetoric without reasoning. The other half has actually been pretty useless chaff, neutral at best and actually anti town at some points.

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It wouldn't do much, which makes it really puzzling to me. It produces information that town likely can't use, and scum PROBABLY can't use but are more likely to be able to use. I can't think of a good reason for it, but I can think of a very weak bad reason for it, which does tilt it towards anti town at best.

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Nyeh. We're at an impasse here then.

For the time being, I think I'll go back to Twomz until he produces content

Unvote, Vote Twomz

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It's pitt continuing to be scummy ^-^. But honestly I wanna see how Twomz justifies his non contributions now that I'm pushing pressure back to him.

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I dunno SP. They've run out of their own integrity to undermine, so they might be interested in...EXPANSION!

Sure, you think it's ok to disregard them now, but BAM, D2 and they are Manifest Destinying your ass with their own lack of integrity :O!

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@Twomz: See, you should explain your reasons so I have something to ANSWER.

@llama: SP is not going to be touched by me. He never is. He likely never will be until I start picking up his scumtells. As for hypocrisy how about you just tell us directly ^-^.

Also, SP has been posting a lot of content. If you actually read his posts and not assume the formatting is VI style, you'll see he's produced a HELL of a lot more original thought than you have.

Anyway, I agree that Pitt needs to die. Third party survivor is bad enough. Third party survivor with one shot kill proofness? That's bullshit. Pitt's an SK, or a far too convenient mafia claim.

Not sure what to make of the "llama slip". Hell, even I usually refer to all 12 players as "the town"

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@Twomz: Call me old fashioned, but reading is tech

I would like you to explain how you plan to counter my points which make your case nothing.

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One shot lynch proof is kinda worse.

I mean, from a claim perspective. I could see one shot lynch proof being on town. I've done it in the past. But on a survivor? Too easy for mafia to fake, since town wouldn't want to "waste a lynch"

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Trouble is, if you're an SK, we CAN'T be sure you don't have a total kill immunity and merely are saying the lynch half.

If we do have a dayvig, they should indeed shoot you, and if you live, we lynch you, and if you die, well, Aission McComplished.

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Yes it does (address attacking people). People voting me for STUPID ASS REASONS is pretty fucking aneurysm inducing. Excuse me if I think their intelligence levels have to be pretty damned low to be attacking a townie. FURTHER, in some cases it is scummy since they are hiding behind the precedent of OTHER people giving stupid reasons.

As for setting up lynches, I was mostly using parallelism on you.

But whatever, you at least are TRYING to build a case on me, which is more than I can say for the rest of the people voting me.

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Didn't I vote Pitt?

Well, is the hammer approved if I'm not voting him right now?

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Ah, right pressure. Kinda pointless at this point since he DID explain.

But, yeah, I'll unvote and hammer you whenever people are all like "YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH"

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I highly doubt being dead disqualifies you from being targetted.

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I point you to Umineko mafia as well as Legacy of the Ancients Mafia.

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@llama: You fail ^-^.

There's no real hypocrisy since *gasp* I've actually been providing REASONS for voting people, and had not previously noticed Twomz had as well, even though they sucked ^-^

@llama: Is it chaff? I recall having this discussion in another game. Given the...very

special

level of reading comprehension you've demonstrated this game, I would not be surprised if you missed a lot of what SP was actually saying

@llama re: 315: Do you really think I'm that stupid? At any rate...all I can really say is *um...no?*

Actually reading his posts means just that. Rather than skimming or just reading the surface of the posts, actually trying to understand them. You never said anything about VI formatting but I'm pretty sure that contributes to your read of him.


So, your entire post is once again built on a failing foundation of sand. Sorry ^-^.

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Hmm? ad hom? I see nothing in my post that could be construed as ad hom outside "you fail", which expanded should be your argument fails.

Not reading that bullshit. Learn to link posts or...um...don't and have people not read your posts YEAH!

And again, you'll never get my lynch llama ^-^.

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To elaborate, I am not sure of SP's alignment, just that his playstyle gets a lot of complaints when he

actually has a high level of success finding scum

Unless you can demonstrate similar results to what I've seen from SP, I think that his playstyle is quite fine by me.

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He's pretty convincing to me except he has a bad habit of getting (wrong) scum reads on me.

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That's not an ad hom, that's a fact. Sorry ^-^.

Bullshit on Quoting vs. Linking. Quoted text is smaller, harder to read in comparison to the background, and overall makes a lot MORE scrolling compared to simple links where I could just read them myself.

Link or give it up.

Also, nice Ad hom ^-^

As for the appeal to intelligence, I can't help it if most games are lost by idiot town. Further, I can't help it if ignoring SP has resulted in town losing in the past. I still am assessing his alignment, but I expect some things from him that will likely be revealed in the future.

Also, Appeal to Authority, which, I possibly might be. But, excuse me if I haven't seen llamaeattaco ever have the Doublevoter with ADHD role and spent the entire time voting two of the three scum ^-^.

Also, llama, what you class as "jokes" tend to actually have a point. I see this mistake all the time.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have scum to catch, unless you'd like to distract town more with a chaff argument ^-^?

Oh wait, you would.

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Oh, hey, day started

Vote llama

^-^

What is that, L-3?

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Wait...what Navy? You just...wait, you are voting llama IIRC, but...you agree that llama isn't scummy? Or with Jack voting you?

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Oops! You and Cobalt posted close to the same time, so I scrolled to fast and saw your avi with a vote llama ^-^;.

Ok.

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Again, what advantage would it do me to defend a scumbuddy so obviously?

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CJ seems pretty VI right now. But possibly town. I still think he should die, but preferably by way of vig, if we have one.

as for stupid things as mafia, hard to argue that. But it's not the best argument.

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Huh? What's there to be specific about? Your posts sound fake. That's really all there is to it.

I'm calling it now, CJ is a mislynch.

Anyway I'll probably go into an ISO of you later.

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You don't find it suspicious that someone wants to lynch someone for no suspicious reason?

I find it stupid. Think. What good does that do scum? Rather, given the attention it garners, does it do scum ANY good? It's just plain bad play. Find something literally scummy.

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Nah, it's more I have to do an in depth ISO to actually link all the posts where you fail to be town, llama. And I'm notoriously lazy.

@xvart: Ok, so CJ is anti-town.

Once again, how is CJ scummy?

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No, I'll eventually produce an ISO. I'm kinda busy today though, since I generally need a block of time to do it and I'm not going to get any blocks, just short enough breaks to make a random post here and there. (DnD plus math homework)

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Hey, I think I noticed Twomz doing the EXACT SAME THING earlier. And he was wrong then too :O!

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What hypocrisy? You mean the fake allegations you are making against me?

Nyeh.

Why is "you sound fake" an invalid reason to lynch you? Far as I know, scum want to pretend to be town, so sounding fake is a pretty solid scumtell.

But yeah, I may or may not do that ISO tomorrow. But I'm leaning towards doing it, since I should have ~*~free time~*~

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1. How amusing, I find it not suspicious in the least. And I'm not really being vague. Quite simply, you sound fake.
2. Ah, that? Well, that'll be handled in the oft promised ISO that usually doesn't occur til three days after I promise it. Patience is a virtue, dear.
3. Can we lynch llama now ?
4. Obvs now I'm just playing with you since you are doing the exact same thing ^-^

That's not a very compelling reason for scum to do it, llama. Honestly, I'd expect scum who wanted someone to follow them on a lynch would at least try to post something more compelling in a timely fashion.

Oh, I understand it. I just think you're completely wrong. And you are ^-^.

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See, llama, that's the thing. You DON'T expect people to follow you on the wagon on the pure goodness of your word.

No, what you do is expect other players to LOOK CLOSER at the player you've singled out and determine for themselves if the supposedly vague scumtell pertains.

Mafia would actually find it harder to get away with, since you aren't railroading a player's thought process with a full case immediately.

Can you tell me where replacing anyone came into this equation? And how it was going to be forced?

To be clear,

I don't agree with CJ Miller

, but I don't feel he's done anything SCUMMY, just not anything pro town.

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HEY SP! DO YOU SEE SOMEONE SQUIRMING IN RESPONSE TO MY "VAGUE ACCUSATION"? CAUSE I THINK I SEE SOMEONE SQUIRMING AND IT'S AWESOME!

(Wow, typing in all caps IS fun )

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NUH UNH! IT'S YOU BUDDYING ME AND IMPLYING THAT LLAMA IS SQUIRMING SO THAT I'D SAY SOMETHING LIKE I DID!

SO NOT ONLY ARE YOU BUDDYING BUT YOU ARE ENGAGING IN ENTRAPMENT! WHAT ARE YOU, A POLICE OFFICER!?

(ok, I'm done )

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I think it's still pretty damned stupid and somewhat scummy to suggest.

Then again, you're scum so ^-^.

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Oh my, using SP's tactics now? The fakery is so OBVIOUS.

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Joining in sounds cool, we should do that.

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Oh, right,

Join in

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Intriguing how xvart responds right after being called out.

Unvote, Vote xvart

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I assumed it meant you could use the same activated ability twice.

But, there's JoaT, for one sometimes town role that has two+ abilties. There are others but they are mostly creative mash ups of other roles.

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Um...actually, if malt is anything like Tar, which he probably is, scum can kill and use their abilities ANYWAY. Factional/active, etc.

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Trying to make sense of CJ is like trying to make sense of quantum mechanics, except far less useful.

Just ignore him and hope he dies before lylo.

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I'm not averse to a Twomz lynch.

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Hint: Xvart is still scum :O.

But, one has three votes. The other has one.

Unvote, Vote Twomz

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Goddammit.

Also, llama is still a moron ^-^.

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/me laughs at llama

^-^.

Lack of content huh? I think I have more content in this post than you've done actual scumhunting :O.

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Oh God not Nacho ag...

I mean HIII~! Man, that was awesome in Disgaea mafia where you were wrong and I was right (eventually). You'll be right with me, this time, right ^-^?

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Hmm, while we're at it could you elaborate why someone as amazingly and obviously town as myself is scum, llama?

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Hmm...llama is doing a good job of acting like scum.

Pretty sure CJ is a VI, should be lynched before lylo though.

Hmm...I have a couple other guys that look bad, but I shall divulge them in THE FUTURE!

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TALKING IN CAPITAL LETTERS IS THE NEW RED TRUTH. EXCEPT WHEN NACHO USES THEM!

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HEY SHOULDN'T TWILIGHT BE OVER!?

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Huh.

Ok guys, we probably have 2 mafia instead of three. There COULD be a cultist out there but I'd have to check out the M.C cult leader works again. For those not in the know, malt used it in XCom-TFTD mafier.

Actually, this is really odd. Either the mafia targetted Navy as well as him getting mental backlashed, or the mafia kill was blocked.

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You are a Tentaculat. Through some twist of fate, nature made you much smarter than your own kind, enough to realize that through through M.C Control, you could make your own empire, and rule this world. You have planned for many months how you can possibly do this, but you see a perfect chance after listening into the secret officer radio channels. You find out there is a infiltration mission being planned to take out a X-Com base, and with much cunning, you sneak aboard the ship. After it lands at the base, you promptly take control of a guard and start your mission. The odds are stacked against you, but if you win, the world itself could be kneeling before you!

Factional Abilities:
[Active]:Every night, you may start M.C (Molecular Control) attacking a player. This player cannot use abilities till the attack stops (i.e You are dead) and will count towards your win condition. They will however, have the chance to pick one person to mentally lash out at any night. If they pick you, you (and all your recruits) die. If they pick someone else, they will be totally controlled by you, and you can then use their account to post in game (The original player will be kicked out of the game).

You win if you and your recruits/people under attack comprise over 50% of the town.

That is probably the base of Navy's role.

So I would assume he never successfully recruited.

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Right, I'm guessing instead that it might have been "force replace + alt" or something similar. Perhaps even just NavyCherub having a QT with his recruit dictating what they say, and they having to say it on penalty of modkill (and say nothing else)

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Also, hi Jesus, I really want to lynch you again.

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How'd you know it was Navy?

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Sounds good to me ^-^. Why wasn't xvart lynched yesterday, btw?

Vote xvart

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Well, that was pretty amazing.

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Well, that's a pretty good claim for multiple reasons.

One, infinitely verifiable

Malthusis, could you post a vote count please?

Two, unlikely to be scum:

Think about it. If xvart were scum, he would be nigh unlynchable, one of the only weapons town has against scum. after a couple mislynches, the only way xvart gets lynched is

if one of his buddies were voting him

.

I mean, it's not completely out of hand and doesn't explain the missed night kill...in fact.

Malthusis: If someone were to die from two or more different kills, which kill would show?

You'll just have to wonder about that, won't you?

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Lulz.

Gotta give you points on the fakeclaim though xvart .

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I'd rather not. I may or may not have questions for you, CJ, so be prepared to answer them.

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Vote Pittbunny

Why is it a roleblocker?

Why couldn't it be a doc protect? Or a bulletproof? Or any number of things?

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Oh, never said he was scum, he's relatively 90% confirmed third party. I'm just curious why he specifically said roleblock.

Also, I'll say it again. I cannot be lynched. You will never lynch me unless you choose to COMPLETELY ignore any possible claim I could make, which would be immensely retarded for town.

Quit trying to softly suspect me and actually make a fucking case.

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Ok, then yes, Pitt is scum because he's not town.

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I don't know.

Maybe it was

THE FACT HE HAS CLAIMED THIRD PARTY

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@llama: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

No.

For one, I

ACTUALLY GAVE A REASON

. CMAR...um...HASN'T :O!

Two, you're scum and should die before the game ends. I'm not and can verify this quite easily, and you're an idiot to even try voting me when I've been softclaiming all game .

Yep, Llama's fucking retarded or he's scum. Take your pick guys!

@CMAR: Yes,

she

does keep saying she can't be lynched, but I'm actually beginning to doubt that given the WONDERFUL level of intelligence displayed by one of the most active townies.

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@Pitt: You do realize Jack claimed roleblocker, right?

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Um...it is totally enough incentive to use if. If I were modding ANY possibility you could not revive merits an if.

[UncertainKitten]

Can Pitt die already? I may or may not have softclaimed that role. PLEASE DON'T FUCKING SPECULATE ON IT unless I'm brought to near lynch. Also, did you miss my cute little pink icon since it appears that everyone else has missed yours?

I am very interested in why CJ is third party, and do not outright disagree with your theory. Please elaborate.

[UncertainKitten]

Neo-feminist comment: Was for a while, not as much now. Mostly just passive agressive and such.

I've been saying CJ is a VI. Also, too scummy to be scum is a fallacy. Your third party reasoning is not as exciting as I hoped. Ah well.

I think you are right we are looking for one more mafioso.

[UncertainKitten]

@llama: Once again, your stupidity shines through. How verifiable is a cop/doc claim?

And yes, I do get rather pretentious when people are ABSOLUTELY FUCKING STUPID at this game. It annoys the shit out of me to deal with someone who has a higher chance of being on my team than against it acting so stupid and completely missing the obvious scums. Probably one of my biggest berserk buttons in this game.

I hate dealing with incompetents who don't even try.

Full disclosure time: I actually think there are two people more likely than you to be scum. In fact, you are most likely dumb town. In fact, I rate you dumber than CJ. You know why? At least CJ understands the maxim "Better to stay silent and be thought a full than open your mouth and remove all doubt".

Llama, seriously, who's scum? What scumhunting have you at ALL done? And don't count your tunneling on me,

it is not going to go anywhere

. Now that we've established I have a verifiable claim in the wings, could you PLEASE tell me who is scum, and why?

@CMAR: Provided a reason for me being scum.


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motherfucking
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this was the hammer guys.

And if that wasn't, this was.

[UncertainKitten]

Are you intentionally being dense?

Are you trying to make yourself as obviously scummy as possible?

The obfuscation and bullshit and post wasting you are engaging in is NOT PRO TOWN.

Lemme put it this way. It is PRETTY DAMN CLEAR given context that I meant I gave a reason for llama being scum, and you have not given a reason for me being scum.

Please turn your brain on, or stop being scum, one or the other, preferably both.

[UncertainKitten]

Sorry. I've had to spend 4 days trying to work around llama and CJ to hunt scum. It has not been very successful. Seeing someone else misinterpret something I thought was pretty obvious made something else die inside of me.

Still am not convinced that you are town, but could see where you could possibly misinterpret my meaning.

[UncertainKitten]

He's not scummy. He's a fucking blithering idiot. In fact, I am about 75% sure he's a town village idiot. There's a chance of something else, and I might push to find out about it D5.

[UncertainKitten]

Because he's CJMiller. He is a VI. I still think he's probably town, but I'm going to HATE having him in lylo, if we get that far. We basically have to not get that far.

[UncertainKitten]

No idea. I have an absolutely unexplainable town read on Nacho/Cobalt. I should consider ISOing them sometime.

[UncertainKitten]

The sad part is I almost believe that is exactly CJ's logic.

Also, if I ever have the misfortune of being in another game with you, CJ, if you ever say scumhunting rather than Glorious Scumhunting I'm locking my vote on you.

[UncertainKitten]

1. I think I was pushing xvart a wee bit harder than that. And was right.

2. Bad habit of mine. Stupidity pisses me off and screws me up. I spend half the game wanting you dead so I don't have to read your shit anymore. Not exactly the most pro town of attitudes but fuck it, why can the VIs get away with such anti townness and I can't get a little bit of my own without catching shit?

3. You are clearly a fucking moron.

Are you SERIOUSLY proposing a 3:1:1x setup? With a cult? And a survivor that comes back to life? What the fuck is wrong with you?

At any rate, where in the nine hells have you examined anyone that was, you know, ACTUALLY FUCKING SCUM?

4. You're a fucking idiot. When the lurker ACTUALLY FLIPS SCUM, IT COUNTS. Stop being a dumbass. As for my claim, I clearly have to make it at some point, don't I? I'm merely indicating that you'll never get me lynched.

Even if I didn't have a verifiable claim, you are SUCH A FUCKING IDIOT you couldn't make tape stick to me.

Also, cute. I love how right after you claim you've been focusing on other people you add two one liners that don't add jack shit to the game.


I'll be honest llama. I hope I never have to play a game with you and your "logic" again. It's shit, and it pisses me off. Not even the stuff on me, which is a good portion of your fucktardery. No, everything you say is stupid in SOME GODDAMN WAY. Give up.

[UncertainKitten]

Now that I got all that out, Sociopath is always a blind spot for me, and his lurky behavior doesn't make me happy. I may or may not have to ISO him in the future. Also pretty sure there's scum in Nacho and CMAR. Nacho taking credit for the scum/third party lynches bothers the hell out of me, since it feels a lot like "Hey guys, I'm totally obv town! Don't lynch me!"

CMAR just bugs me period, and I probably DO need to ISO him,

[UncertainKitten]

What's your point? With my assumption of two scum, be pretty stupid to drop my only buddy for that reason.

You have to find scum before you find connections, llama dearie. Also, town chock full of PRs doesn't really help with mislynches. I also have reason to believe that some PRs might not be as helpful to town.

The supposed effort being there on Navy, who was a third party probable cult leader, doesn't really help much, and would be another indicator that your scum hunting leaves much to be desired. Since mafia probably want to get rid of third parties, and third parties don't want to run afoul of the mafia.

SP actually adds to the game. You don't.

It's not bullying when you really are that stupid. I was actually going to apologize because I was having a difficult morning but you fucktarded that one away. GJ!

I'm still lolololing at the fact you still haven't found scum and are wasting your time bickering with someone who can confirm she's town.

[UncertainKitten]

Um...no, I'm not scummy. I've countered EVERY SHITTY POINT you've had. As I used to say, "SAYING SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO".

I'll claim when it's necessary and not a minute before. And that claim will, basically, prove I'm town. So look elsewhere, or waste your time in an anti town fashion.

Quite honestly, you piss me off with your stupidity. I can't apologize because I don't feel sorry. You deserve every ounce of abuse I've handed you.

[UncertainKitten]

Fucking grand. We have six alive. Should we massclaim?

I think I'll be claiming soon anyway, so yeah.

[UncertainKitten]

That's 4 out of 6 in support. Just waiting for the stragglers to post.

[UncertainKitten]

No. I want CJ to claim first, and then I'll claim. There's something I need to find out. After that we can popcorn. But CJ NEEDS to claim first.

[UncertainKitten]

Huh.

Then why didn't you die when I used THIS on you:

After barely getting your friend Private Ryan behind some cover, you see a hail of grenades go over the wall you are hiding behind. You yell at Ryan to run while you heroically jump over the grenades. After a huge explosion and a flash of white light, you find yourself in what you think to be heaven, but suddenly you see Ryan just a few meters away. After talking about why the hell you are here, you see a group of people in a big commotion. Hurridly, you run over to see what the commotion is about....

You are

Captain John H. Miller, Town Vigilante

(from Saving Private Ryan). Your abilities are:

Passive Abilities:
Mason: You are a mason with

Fate

, Private FC James Francis Ryan (from Saving Private Ryan).
Mason Communication: You may day-talk here: [REDACTED]

Active Abilities:
[2-Shot]Snipe: You still have you your rifle with you, and it has 2 bullets left. You may target a player at night and kill them.

Win Condition:You win when pro-town forces are the only ones left.

I sniped you D1. I sniped NavyCherub D2. My kill failed on CJ, it seems, and I guess my kill was overridden on NavyCherub

Fate was my first mason Buddy. Jack was my second buddy. Which is why I showed displeasure at him dying.

I'd like CMAR to claim next.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, you better find a mason to counterclaim me, and auto lynch them when I flip town.

Since, you know, Fate flipped mason.

Please. I would like someone to counterclaim me and make this easy. Especially since CMAR can supposedly shoot people.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh? Already used your shot? I really hope you didn't do anything stupid with it. That wouldn't be very pro town, you know.

[UncertainKitten]

/me reads.

Sorry, derptasm right thar. Yeah, I understand now.

[UncertainKitten]

Yeah, I reread your role because I wanted to figure out a couple other things. Things make sense now. Not that you are necessarily town. But yeah.

[UncertainKitten]

I have to ask the mod something because I think he just fucked me hard core.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, it would mean he LIED to me in his PM unless another suitable explanation comes up. And at that point I really don't care what happens because I will replace the fuck out and never play a malt game again. You don't fucking LIE in a PM. You prevaricate, but you don't lie. And that, would be an OUTRIGHT LIE.

[UncertainKitten]

He'd also have lied to Fate, since Fate was going with the role that I knew him to have. Like, roleplaying it in the QT at first.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, that's my PM, so I'm pretty sure they'll be easily explained, or you're scum ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

Right, makes sense. I just know I'm town and that any problems with my role are not going to implicate me, because they aren't problems. I'm sure you understand.

[UncertainKitten]

I say the exact same to you, dear ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

Not sure how to take "hilarious"

but I certainly get into some weird theories I refuse to let go ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh yeah, that was hilarious. I seriously fucked up hard, but getting lynched actually says a bit I think. Rather, getting lynched after it was said several times I don't count.

It says a lot about how silly most of that town was .

[UncertainKitten]

Luckin' Fovely. The mod can't tell me why Fate's flip is bad, and apparently the way my PM was structured did not raise any alarms with Tar.

There better be some damn good claims for this.

[UncertainKitten]

He wouldn't tell me anything. All I know is that my ROLE PM INFORMATION, and the MOD CONFIRMED FLIP, say two different things, and both of them came from Malt. Once again, only reason I'm not saying fuck this shit is I expect a damn good explanation to occur when the set up is revealed.

[UncertainKitten]

You can read my Role PM, can't you? And you can read the front page, can't you?

[UncertainKitten]

Jack is also a universal backup. Hence why he became my mason buddy, since Fate was the first actual DEATH.

I think that answers that. The second point is the one that makes me VERY fucking irritated at this game, because the mod basically lied to me unless something else happened.

I thought you noticed that earlier.

[UncertainKitten]

No, I didn't screw up

Also,

FoS: Llamaeattaco

Why did you copy and paste your PM? You could have just quoted it. We can't trust this PM.

Also, didn't you say that you didn't know your ability with the opt-in thing?

Why does that look so fake?

And finally, how does this prove your alignment? Scum motivators could exist quite easily. Hell, I've DONE it.

That said, llama, pick who's claiming next.

[UncertainKitten]

Scum having an ability that gives all of the town twice the Power? How does that make sense? Oh well, whatever.

Wasn't it established that

that was not the case

? And that you had to have two different active abilities to use two? And that scum were more likely to have that? Or something?

Anyway, you got it right. Honestly, I just realized it doesn't really matter either way since Malt would have given fake PMs at start of game to prevent "LOL D1 MASS QUOTE!"

So you wouldn't have to change anything

UnFoS. For now

[UncertainKitten]

@the first: Why yes, yes we did. I think I spearheaded that convo

@the second: I don't know. I think scum are more likely to have two or more abilities to compensate for town power. Then again, we HAVE had two third party flips, and I'm operating under the assumption that we only have two mafiosi.

@the third: As I said, it wasn't anywhere NEAR as significant as I thought.

[UncertainKitten]

SP is right though. Llama just screwed up.

Anyway, who should claim next, SP?

[UncertainKitten]

To be clear, we'd like you to quote your role PM, SP.

[UncertainKitten]

You still need to quote your Role PM. Since you claimed either vanilla townie or weird ass demotivator (as the role I made), and we'd like to know which, since , you know, this is massclaim.

May I ask why town has any reason to make this hard?

[UncertainKitten]

Are you proposing three scum with six alive? Cause if we are all scum, why don't we just force no lynch?

[UncertainKitten]

Well, if the supposedly fake daykiller is scum, and you are a VT or Demotivator, your theory requires some amazing roles amongst the last two that need to claim.

You also realize you are proposing a game with 4 mafia, 2 third party, one you have to kill TWICE, and 6 town?

Are you trying to sound stupid?

Please quote your role PM.

[UncertainKitten]

This does not explain why CJ is alive.

I kinda hoped it would.

This is not a good thing.

Who is claiming next, SP?

[UncertainKitten]

I dunno, maybe you should outright TELL us who should claim next, SP, so that scum can't hide.

Also, if you don't remember, I SHOT CJ N1, AND IT DID NOT WORK!

[UncertainKitten]

...derp, you're right CMAR. For some reason I thought we had TWO claims left.

And except I'm not SP. If Nacho's claim doesn't explain it, we lynch CJ, and if that doesn't work, we lynch you, SP. The "Doctor", who is clearly lying.

[UncertainKitten]

Only if Nacho's claim doesn't explain CJ's death, and CJ flips anything other than his claim.

I figured it was obvious?

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP: CJ's lack of death.

[UncertainKitten]

Also, CMAR, if you want security, shoot me tomorrow. We have 6 alive now. If we decide to lynch CJ, and he is somehow NOT scum, we'll have 5 into night. Day should break with four. I'm pretty sure we only have one scum left or this game is very VERY nigh impossible for town. Therefore, you can shoot me, see me flip town, and then lynch Socio for lying.

Of course, this is pending Nacho's claim and whether it's believable. etc.

[UncertainKitten]

Your doc protects. If you are even a doctor.

Though, thinking on it, there is a flaw in this plan that involves me assuming Nacho is town.

Back to the drawing board. We might even have to...*gasp* use REAL SCUMHUNTING :O!

[UncertainKitten]

Could you please fucking READ ALL OF MY POSTS, CMAR?

I'm sick of explaining things twice. THIS ONLY WORKS IF CJ FLIPS TOWN! And not even then unless we completely trust Nacho!

Also, PAY ATTENTION TO THE GAME!

Llama used his action D2!

And finally, pay attention to the people you are talking to. Blue's not my color, kid.

[UncertainKitten]

N3 would have been the night that Jack blocked xvart. Who was scum. Or did you forget this?

And no, I'm not frustrated with you at all. I'm trying to find a plan that ACTUALLY WORKS. Since yours...um...doesn't.

I know my action, I know what CJ claimed, and I know what you claimed. One or two of us is lying, and I SURE AS HELL AM NOT.

Nacho needs to claim ASAP.

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP: One or two of us are lying based on Nacho's claim.

The good news is, with relative certainty, we can say that the scum is amongst CJ/Socio/UK/Nacho OR if Nacho's claim checks out, Llama/CMAR

Anything else is a low order probability.

[UncertainKitten]

Ok, I see what happened.

Nevermind then. So...hmm...

Your doc claim isn't necessarily clear but your claim makes a little more sense now.

[UncertainKitten]

No problem. I'm pretty sure he said it himself though.

Also, SP, um...I'm pretty much confirmed unless Nacho counterclaims me.

In which case you lynch me, then him, and town wins.

Since, you know, no one else has claimed mason.

[UncertainKitten]

Ok, couple possibilities.

One: My N1 kill was redirected
Two: My N1 kill was roleblocked (unlikely unless scum have a roleblocker)
Three: My N1 kill was blocked by bulletproof.

In the first case, I would guess that anyone except llama and myself did it, but Nacho would probably be telling the truth.
In the second case, I'd probably point directly anyone except CJ, llama, and myself.
In the third case, CJ is the only lynch.

Anyway, I was under the impression we were confirmed masons from what the mod told us.

[UncertainKitten]

Except I'm confirmed at this point :V.

[UncertainKitten]

Hell, you can LOOK AT FATE AND JACK in ISO and see that we were under the impression the other was town.

[UncertainKitten]

That's a silly theory.

Mostly I'm resistant because I get the impression someone's plan is going to screw us since I'm only sure of my own alignment.

[UncertainKitten]

Assuming Socio town.

At this point I'm guessing my kill was redirected, though I suppose I possibly could have been roleblocked.

Given the claims, I am actually pretty sure llama is town. So, he's probably a good protection.

[UncertainKitten]

Why is llama getting lynched today? He HAS to be town unless there are two scum.

If me being lynched would verify this, go the fuck ahead. It'd be STUPID, but whatever.

However...I am failing to see a flaw in your plan...am I missing something?

[UncertainKitten]

Wait, what happens if CMAR is killed?

[UncertainKitten]

Oh, nevermind, I see. He's the obv protect.

I see no flaws.

[UncertainKitten]

He has to be town because he demonstrated his role D2 and could not have redirected or roleblocked me unless he's a motivator/roleblocker

[UncertainKitten]

CMAR isn't NK proof, where did you get that? However, his death would implicate you, as he's the ONLY kill that makes the plan fall apart.

[UncertainKitten]

No, what it proves is

HE COULD NOT HAVE ROLEBLOCKED OR REDIRECTED ME UNLESS HE HAS A WEIRD ASS ROLE

And, if we were to follow SP's plan, he HAS to protect you or it falls apart. If he's scum, he has to no kill. So we still can lynch him.

[UncertainKitten]

CJ being killed just saves us lynching him. He's not required to live according to the plan. CMAR is your hinge, but it works with the claims.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh, right, that also would make him a bad kill for scum.

Again, SC, I think it's pretty obvious I'm not scum, but whatever, this game appears to be locked.

[UncertainKitten]

*SP

And

It's because, his role, as claimed, has him MOTIVATING every night.

He still has to claim targets though.

But, at any rate,

THE GLOBAL MOTIVATE PART OF HIS ROLE IS CONFIRMED

So, are you proposing that he's a roleblocker/redirector that has a global motivate action?

[UncertainKitten]

Sure, why not

Unvote, Vote llama

L-1

[UncertainKitten]

...llama just hammered himself.

Beautiful.

[UncertainKitten]

OH HEY! I JUST FIGURED OUT THE FLAW IN SOCIO'S PLAN!

WHAT IF CMAR IS SCUM THAT HAS A ONE SHOT DAYVIG :O

Yeah...fucking hindsight .

[UncertainKitten]

Wellp, too late now, whether my paranoia is justified or not :V.

[UncertainKitten]

Actually, I've made such a role before.

It was a One Shot Scum Dayvig that could not shoot in lylo. I'm not sure if malt would put in such a prohibition. But whatev.

[UncertainKitten]

Wasn't CMAR shooting me?

[UncertainKitten]

But if CMAR shoots nacho, we lose a lynch, and might not get any confirmation of a shot having gone off, since Nacho is hypothetically immune to kills?

[UncertainKitten]

Watch llama flip scum and all this planning just be stupid :V.

[UncertainKitten]

lol wut?

[UncertainKitten]

I'm pretty sure we all see why I tried to shoot his ass. He's probably lying scum, or he was protected for God knows whatever reason, probably BY scum.

[UncertainKitten]

You...posted it once already though?

[UncertainKitten]

Ah, I see.

Could be worse ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

Why would llama be modkilled due to anything like that? What do I have to do with anything?

[UncertainKitten]

No, that wouldn't get llama modkilled. Since

he only quoted his role PM

. The reason Nacho gets modkilled is because he quoted a NON ROLE PM MOD PM. With regards to the tentaclaut battle thing.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, at least I know CJ is scum if the game continues (and you die, Socio). I hope CMAR thinks VERY critically about my claim and how STUPID it would be to make as scum. Even not noticing the errors, I'd have to assume that there was no one to counterclaim mason. WHICH NO ONE DID. All that's left is I'm supposedly a scum mason, which is impossible, since that was mod confirmed townness. Unfortunately, they aren't alive to confirm this.

[UncertainKitten]

Also if Nacho is scum, that points towards UK also being scum even more.

Why so? And you think the game won't be over if Nacho flips scum?

[UncertainKitten]

I use neighbor myself, and thought Tar did, but thinking on it you could be right.

Honestly, I think that's more indicative of Nacho being scum with a bulletproof CJ, Socio. Think about it. By shooting CJ instead of me, that bullet has a chance of failing, just like mine did N1.

Something to think about.

Fair enough about everyone is scum.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, obviously I'm going to disagree because that chance is an unacceptably high amount of loss chance when I KNOW I'm the next best thing to confirmed town, and you all are just being stupid about things.

But we'll see how things go, since I don't think we have more than one scum left.

[UncertainKitten]

Wellp, in this case it is. Either way, I would think, as scum, I'd at least claim Fate's flipped role.

I think the ISO's also softclear since assumably my mason buddies would be more vocal about suspecting me if it wasn't confirmed town.

[UncertainKitten]

Look. I am certain that, if 3p lylo occurs, CJ will be the scum in it. I can't give that up for a stupid plan. I HOPE CMAR can see where I'm coming from.

[UncertainKitten]

Fuck, you're right.

I made that same argument earlier.

Dammit though...I'm almost CERTAIN of BPCJ scum if the game goes on, but have no way to PROVE it.