Mini 966 - Mixology Mafia - Mod Abandoned

[cruelty]

vote haylen

, she my favourite.

[cruelty]

1: wasn't deliberate. why would i? dumb question.
2: would you not?

[cruelty]

haylen hates my soul, last time we played she flipped out and promised that i was on her blacklist. my comment most definitely wasn't serious.

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also my face isn't a dumb question

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chug rolling rock

i have no idea what half these drinks are tbh.

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oh, a cruelty wagon. yawn.

chug bud lite

This avoids stating what happened or why he didn't confirm right away

what happened? pm didn't ask for a confirmation reply, i assumed (as per basically every other game i've played) that the thread would open and i'd confirm in there. actually attributed the delay to the mod, didn't realise it was my fault. aw shit.

I know another player who thinks scum may hold back confirming so they can talk more pre-game.

you know another player (who isn't me) who may (or may not?) hold back from confirming to talk more pre-game?

seriously?

for using another player's meta to attack me,

unvote, vote farside

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[cruelty]

wait, i missed a bit.

I know another player who thinks scum may hold back confirming so they can talk more pre-game.

you know another player (who isn't me)

who thinks (but doesn't know)

that scum may (or may not?) hold back from confirming to talk more pre-game?

that's worse than meta'ing me based on another player, that's meta'ing me based on the thoughts of another player on yet other players. fk is this?



but yeah, i'm setting a precedent for game-delaying scum gambits here. lol.

[cruelty]

So you got a PM and didn't think hey I should check to see if I need to confirm? Wait it's locked let me check with the mod?
None of this came into your head?

nope. just expected the thread to unlock. to be fair, i've had other issues to deal with irl (not gonna start off this game with my dramas, but if you really have to know i've posted in other games i've been in) so seeking out solutions to problems i didn't really realise were problems hasn't been high on my priority list.

What's scummy about using another players meta when it is right?

because you're using another player's thoughts on yet other players and then applying it to me. it's monstrously stupid.

[cruelty]

TOWN

4. Haylen

how do you have a town read on her when she's only made one seriously game-related post?

[cruelty]

i'm not, sounds like a terrible idea. why on earth would you want to vig me?

Relaxed, extended plesantries = town. She's not exactly hard at work pushing a scum agenda.

she's not exactly hard at work period.

relaxed extended pleasantries are typical haylen. don't really consider this any sort of tell. am a little disconcerted that you're basing a read on this given the way you're discussing other players.

order vodka and sprite zero with lime wedge, tip bartender $3,

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[cruelty]

i aint rich, it's one working class man appreciating the skills and services of another working class man.

why am i hard to read?

[cruelty]

i find this argument boring. don't find either of you particularly townish (read: null at best) + don't really like camn dancing around the entwined pair prodding with pointy sticks.

[cruelty]

unvote, vote haylen

neither of those two posts contained any content, one was having a cry about work hours and one was a classic real life internet story.

the only game-relevant thing she said was talking about siblings/lovers (ie: referencing what i assumed to be a joke post) and then not following it up (despite implying seriousness about the correction).

so ya, underwhelmed.

[cruelty]

i've never been scum, so yeah, you can't.

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if you're gonna accuse me can you do me the courtesy of saying why?

[cruelty]

you mean the haylen wagon i laid the seeds for when i questioned dgb's town read on her? that wagon?

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Wolfram/cruelty scumpair?
No.. too obvious, right?

If it's obvious, it's obvious. Don't second-guess yourself!

Could tajo be the third scum?

hmm

[cruelty]

thanks for the update.

where the f is my vodka?


and i get bad vibes from dgb. gut, can't really articulate. will contemplate further.

[cruelty]

Is it because I mercilessly jumped on you at game start, by any chance?

no. it's because you're furiously and intentionally making yourself the focus of town (ie: i'm so invaluable). but shrug, maybe that's just dgb.

cruelty - Like a few others I am having trouble reading cruelty. He says he has not been scum in a game yet, and I haven't had time to check up on that, however if it is true that doesn't mean he isn't scum in this game, and it will be hard to tell the difference. The only stance i see him taking is he believes DGB to be scum off of gut, but votes Haylen from his questioning of DGB, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Possible VI but I am not really a fan of calling people that because VI doesn't mean IS (idiot scum). For now Neutral slightly leaning scum.

a) do you seriously think i'd lie about that [given how easy it'd be to check?]. the only anti-town role i've ever had is sk (not sure if i can talk about it/link it, it's ongoing).

b) your problem with my dgb/hayen stance is what, exactly? i didn't like DGB's town read on haylen (which really had no reasonable foundation at all) and i don't like haylen's continued absence and lack of content.

i also note that DGB has reversed her opinion of haylen;

Haylen may need to die.

uh huh.

so ya, to conclude, my suspicion of DGB meshes neatly with my suspicion of haylen, and DGB's position reversal slots neatly in too. prob scumchums.

(ps: in a 3 person scumteam, wolframnhart would be the third right now).

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b)Hey I'm all for a haylen vote (currently where I am) but I just didn't get how you voted her from questioning DGB who you think is scum from gut. If it is due to lack of content etc, then that's just fine.

Also people's opinions can change multiple times during a game, so why is DGB's changed opinion on Haylen suspicious?

1: didn't really have a strong feeling either way on DGB at the time.

2: her changed opinion (or rather, her retroactively defined-as-not-scummy statement that haylen must die) came, somewhat interestingly, as the rest of town began to realise how useless she (haylen) has been up to this point. in and of itself, not really a huge drama. but it fits man, it fits.

[cruelty]

Pop - Haylen, DGB
DGB - Pop

[cruelty]

is that it or should we expect more?

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I find it SUPER odd though that this town is split over the stupidest thing:
Half say I'm useless and want me dead, but are fine with Fate.
The other half say Fate is useless and want him dead, but ignore me.

i don't care about either of you.



(the above post was directed at haylen).

[cruelty]

Wolfram/cruelty scumpair?
No.. too obvious, right?

Though I think I have been pretty clear.
Socio=scum.
Fate is maybe scum.
cruelty is on my radar.
The rest TBA.

why have you dropped wolf?

especially after you specifically questioned his scumreads (me, you, haylen)? eyeroll? remember?

also i'm on your radar? huh? you've been gnawing away at my ankles all game, why have i suddenly dropped back behind the other two? this isn't fair..

Ok, a) I don't post at weekends very often. b) I've had to revise for an exam. I've been useless? Bite me. Buddying? I don't buddy. If I do it's as a townie.

QUITE FRANKLY, I think Cruelty is trying to lynch me for personal reasons rather than mafia reasons.

Farside: I am concerned about her vote hopping.

Tajo: I still think that he is scum.

Fate: Needs to die. How can anybody say that he has been useful to the town?

quite frankly i think you're trying to misrep me. but that's ok, you're not active enough to have enough credibility to push my mislynch.

your 3 reads are horrifically underwhelming. post more. i don't really care about your busy life, if you're too busy to play, then replace out. (also let the record state you have been and are continuing to be useless).

[cruelty]

actually camn i take that back a LITTLE.

you've been consistent with socio/fate, but i don't like you dropping suspicion of wolf for no apparent reason.


btw if haylen is gonna lurk does anyone else wanna be my designated in-game enemy?

[cruelty]

our obvious similarities in posting that you declined to mention in favour of hilariously vague suspicions?

huh?

[cruelty]

btw in case anyone is having trouble reading me.

i'm currently suspicious of>

dgb
haylen
camn

i think dgb and haylen are weirdly entwined. as to specifically how, time (and MORE POSTS from haylen) will tell.

[cruelty]

haylen lol.


i'm gonna goto work now but i'll deal with you when i get home.




(dgb, boring).

[cruelty]

Haha.

Note this; haylen, camn, dgb.


Dgb I thought you were supposed to be a pro scumseeker? I'm disappointed. Was hoping to see a master at work, but this? Yawn.

Can't really make much of a post from iPod, will when I get home.



Ps; ain't a misogynist, just deliberately trolling to see what happens. No nk = scum fakehunting.

[cruelty]

mod, you have me both voting haylen (correct) and not voting (incorrect)

[cruelty]

lost a majorly large post regarding Cruelty's scumminess.

The summery of it was that he misrepped and strawmanned Farsides stuff about scum being last to confirm.

elaborate. it's easy to accuse someone when you're not providing examples.

He has tunnelled me and DGB for the majority of the game. He has been hypocritical when saying im scummy for lurking even though he used being busy as an excuse for not confirming as quickly as the rest of us.

a) unsure if you can tunnel on two people (tunnel = singleminded focus. read; single). even if you can, clearly untrue. you might even say, misrep.

b) i've been active since the game began. my irl issues delayed the game (and i apologize), but i'm not lurking. again, misrep.

He has also been inconsistant with his suspicions and discussion: he puts camn in a good light in one post and in the next he says she is one of his top three subjects.

a) thought i was tunneling on you and dgb?

b) where did i put camn in a good light? we've been circling each other uneasily the entire game.

He's been trying to lead the town into believing me and DGB are a scumteam.

so voicing my suspicions = trying to lead town?

i could conversely accuse you of trying to lead town into believing i'm scum - this is the most ridiculous point..

He also didn't give an adequate reasoning for voting me.

inactivity and lack of content when you do post != a good reason for a vote? gimme a break.

His posts are also way too much like WRH's for it to be a co-incidence - if they are a scumteam, it wouldn't surprise me if they have the ability to Day Talk.

eh? parrot camn much?

Cruelty knows from past experience that I am quite an easy lynch and it doesn't take a genius to work out that DGB has previously been lynched for an abnormal playstyle. I find it suspicious that he is tunnelling the two players in the game that he knows to be easy targets.

so i AM tunneling. that bit where i put camn "in a bad light" must have been a horribel dream...

i've never played with dgb; i have no idea about her playstyle other than what i've seen here. and from what i've been reading, everyone has mad respect for her scumhunting skills. therefore it conversely wouldn't take a genius to work out that someone like me is unlikely to hold enough town cred to get an acknowledged good player lynched on day 1.

in fact to me this whole point about dgb reads like you trying to manipulate dgb into declaring all out war on me. seems to be less about cruelty and more about buddying dgb.

He admitted to sowing the seeds for a wagon on me, I suggest that is looked into if I am ever lynched or nightkilled in this game. My conclusion was that Cruelty is scummy.

lol.

yep, i laid seeds for a wagon on a player i thought at the time was lurky and very content-lite. and now i find you misrepping me, parroting other players and buddying an acknowledged town asset (alignment-dependent).

[cruelty]

hat-trick post.

resorting to derision + low, mean blows
=
caught scum

camn was right on page 1.

unvote, vote: cruelty

you reckon you could actually, y'know, cite a good reason for voting me?


i mean shit, can

anyone

give me a good reason for the wagon on me? as best i can tell there's some vague junk about posting similarly to wolf (who camn specified was absent therefore surely he's posting like me??), haylen is misrepping, dgb... i don't even know why she's voting me and the colonel's vote is a week old and had no reason behind it.

if you're gonna lynch me at least do town the courtesy of telling them

why

so that the scum on the wagon can be destroyed when i flip.



also i meant to put this in the last post;

Number of posts by each player
Haylen: 16
Standard Haylen activity level. In the middle give or take 2.

your first 8 posts were basically rvs posts, then there was also the classic msn anecdote, something about posting after your exam (this is 10) and then a post about dgb+camn being nice (11) and confirmation that you're voting me and people should keep up (12).

so what, 4-5 worthwhile posts? if this is standard haylen, why do you bother?

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oh and just to complete this wild flurry of activity (likely be posting in bursts over the next few days due to work/sport).

I want to see a flip of either DGB or tajo for my personal read purposes. I'm pretty confident, that at least one of them is scum.

Alternatively, cruelty or Socio will make a fine vig targets. Of those two, preferably Socio, so Fate can stop goofing around and start playing normally.

From what I've seen from the last few pages though, cruelty is still a good vote though, I'm happy with it.

why are you voting me?

why aren't you voting someone you actually think is scum?



i mean shit son, i'm not even your top vigi target. postulating dgb/haylen/cathart team now (camn you have been relegated).

[cruelty]

cruelty defense:

*the wagon on me is krap*

NOT

*i am innocent*

=

scum

since when is "but i'm innocent!" a valid defence regardless of alignment?


and you're still not answering the question. why am i scum, why are you voting me?


(and where's my vodka?)

[cruelty]

A) I like bandwagons.
B) He gives me a bad feeling.
C) I am pressed for time, and a little behind, and want more MEAT in this game for when I actually HAVE time.
D) OMGUS.
E) DGB Solidarity.

a) not relevant to crueltyscum
b) ...why?
c) you're pressed for time and this is relevant to crueltyscum because...?
d) i like omgus
e) not relevant to crueltyscum. especially when dgb has even less reasoning for her vote on me than you do.


tbh this wagon is frustrating me because nobody wants to come forward and make an actual case; i can't defend against ghosts. i really, really hope those off the wagon are paying attention to this.

Chug Mint Tulip

Playing this game makes me want to drin

dunno if you noticed but i made quite a big post directed specifically at you.

btw this is

another

example of haylen doing fuck all. or, to put it another way, active lurking.

[cruelty]

hehehe lol ok.



didn't feel like answering? or didn't know

how

?


i'm sure dgb will coach you through it, check your qt.


you're at 20 posts now and haven't added any content since my post yday, meaning you're at 4/20. so a total of 25%.


perhaps if you can find the time in between your startingly insightful contributions you might find it in youself to answer this questions; how are you helping town?

(ps: the answer isn't making a substandard case on me and hoping you could anonymously ride the wagon).

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Cruelty: I'm watching what's going on but I did have a question that wolf responded to for you.
When you noticed the thread waiting why didn't you think to send a PM to the mod sooner to ask what was going on?

going back to this huh.


if you have to know, a close family member got diagnosed with cancer and this game starting wasn't really amongst the things at the forefront of my consciouness.

can we drop this now? it's not really a subject i particularly want to discuss with random strangers on the internet.

Yos once said that I remind him of a mini DGB a little bit, could this be why you think she is coaching me? Cause, you know, I'm doing all this off my own back. Anyway, I thought I was buddying up to DGB, not having her coach me. Inconsistancy.

a) no. and you don't remind me of her; her posts indicate someone who's playing the game.

b) what i actually said (and gasp, i did use the word buddying) was that i got the impression that you were trying to manipulate her into declaring war on me. that doesn't disqualify the two of you from being scumchums.

c) if you're doing this off your own back perhaps you

should

get a good buddy and/or coach to help you. because far as i can see, you aint up to much solo.

I'm happy with my Cruelty vote. I'm not sure why he is being considered obv town.

don't think there's many people considering me obv. town right now sunshine. i'm the leading wagon as best i can tell.

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I'm still trying to read you, Sir. For some reason you fail to post any of the sort of thing I immediately ascribe a firm town read to. It may just be your style. Just to check, do you have a game where you're scum, and one where you're town, that I can look at?

I am questioning my cruelty read, because I realized I just don't like his play-personality, it's just not pleasant.

quote1: so.. i don't post classic town tells, and am therefore scum? this is a logical failure.

quote2: so your read on me has nothing to do with me actually being scummy.

both quotes represent a similar stance (cruelty isn't nice, he's therefore scum) which are logically inept and make me wonder a bit about you. others who have played with you have praised your play, so for you to go after me with no actual scumread, hold onto that vote for ages and then justify it by not liking me leads me to two possible conclusions. 1) you're not worthy of the respect given, or 2) you are/were trying for the easy lynch (yaya i'm being a bastard, must be a VI). the third possible option is that you're just having an off-game, but i don't really think people can switch off mentally like that over a period of weeks. #2 seems more likely because i can't conceive of multiple people being wrong about the awesomeness that is you (that's not sarcasm, there has to be a reason people think highly of you).


that said i'm gonna call v/la on this game until the mod gets back. can't be bothered actively pursuing people if there's no point. will respond to posts directed at me and probably not much more. which sucks, this game looks/looked like a lot of e-fun.

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cruelty, you are Regular Customer. After cashing your last paycheck you've got money in your pocket, and that means a night at the bar. Or several nights at the bar.

You work in a grocery store. The pay is pretty lousy, but at least its consistent. You'll receive paychecks on Day 3 and Day 5.

Starting Cash: $40

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

this was disappointing. i liked how this game was going

ps: sorry anyone who got mad at me, i'm really a very nice young fellow.

pps: my bud lite meant i could only order lite/diet drinks for the rest of the day, and not claim it.

[cruelty]

ps: sorry anyone who got mad at me, i'm really a very nice young fellow.

Then why does your avatar look like an angry Finnish dictator instead of Justin Bieber?

it's alf stewart, he's an australian icon.

admittedly i'm not australian, but still, having him looking furiously at you all comforts me.