Mini 948 - Victorian Vampire - Game Over

[Nobody Special]

Oh, hi.

It seems I have a few votes.

I shall be reading and RUTHLESSLY SCUMHUNTING starting..... Now.


Anything that anyone might want to mention to me, mention away. I'm all ears.

[Nobody Special]

Oh, hi.

It seems I have a few votes.

I shall be reading and RUTHLESSLY SCUMHUNTING starting..... Now.


Anything that anyone might want to mention to me, mention away. I'm all ears.

I'm not going to mention anything because I am actually very interested in what someone thinks of the game so far when they weren't in the middle of it. I don't want to spoil it for you.

...says the guy with more votes than I. Yes, it's interesting. That's a good word.

[Nobody Special]

I have read through page 6. I have to do some actual, you know, work today, so the remainder of the thread will have to wait till tonight.

Some impressions:

-- I have run across "tech" on his very site before. It seems to be a young person thing (I'm older than dirt).
-- I'm not thrilled that Darox said he was an Innkeeper.
-- I'm even less thrilled that the bloody discussion of same went on for, like, forty pages afterwards (although, it may have helped with scumhunting).
-- Very skeptical of Josh.
-- SpyreX

is

acting differently here. (I know, meta BAD blah blah)

More later tonight.

[Nobody Special]

I have read through page 6. I have to do some actual, you know, work today, so the remainder of the thread will have to wait till tonight.

Some impressions:

-- I have run across "tech" on his very site before. It seems to be a young person thing (I'm older than dirt).
-- I'm not thrilled that Darox said he was an Innkeeper.
-- I'm even less thrilled that the bloody discussion of same went on for, like, forty pages afterwards (although, it may have helped with scumhunting).
-- Very skeptical of Josh.
-- SpyreX

is

acting differently here. (I know, meta BAD blah blah)

More later tonight.

Meta is only bad when it's the whole case. It can be very useful as a supplement to a case.

How is he acting differently? Townier? Scummier? What?

He's being less jovial, less outspoken -- which (to me) reads as scummier.

[Nobody Special]

Also, I'm not done arguing altogether. I'm done arguing with SpyreX about that topic, because my pages of argument with him led me to believe he is either a crazy person

or misinterpreting things on purpose

, and I don't think arguing with him will accomplish anything other than spamming the thread and preventing other avenues of discussion. He thinks I'm scum, I think he's crazy, and we all know this now, along with reasons on both sides. Anything more between SpyreX and I at this point would just be shouting at each other, basically.

Actually, it is my opinion that YOU are the one purposefully misinsterpreting things -- you went on and on about "I don't want to hear 'slippery slope' and I won't entertain this argument any further" -- and now you're trying to say you know what a slippery slope argument is? Please, get lynched.

Vote: Josh

Still on page 7. Still reading. Still happy with a Josh lynch.

[Nobody Special]

NS - I'm not a young duckling by any means.

And while not jovial, sure... but not outspoken? REALLY?

(and I'm not stoked about "I've read through page 6" "this discussion went on pages afterwards")

Not as outspoken as I've known you are capable of. Just observing, sheesh. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

And -- seriously, now -- have NONE of you folks on this whole fecking board EVER heard of "hyperbole?" You guys are SO damned literal. [I guess that's potentially good in the context of the game, but still....]

[Nobody Special]

I think Josh and SpyreX are probably both town.

I understand you've (more or less) outlined your reasons for this in this post (and earlier posts), but could you summarize your thoughts on these two for me?

[Nobody Special]

Shall we take a brief look at easjo? Sure:

D1 he did a lot of apologizing for not posting enough. The one substantive post he did make is as follows:

You have to give us something to go on. Like I've pointed out before I see nothing except setup speculation and zero scumhunting from your side. even if you don't think "anybody is scum", I'd like your opinions on various players.

JoshTheStampede- I haven't really taken to like from the start
Zang- not much to say either way
Slaine Hayes- dodgy but don't think he's scummy
cruelty- not much to say either way
TheSkeward- not much to say either way
Yosarian2- seems to be chipping in on the scum hunt
SpyreX- dodgy
CryMeARiver- dont really have an opinion
MagnaofIllusion- is contributing to the hunt
Darox- think hes town
Ooba- dont know

Waffling. Major, huge, active-lurking, I'm-scum-please-don't look-at-me waffling.

I also have some suspicions about Darox (admitted active lurking, distancing from Josh), but for now

Vote: easjo

[Nobody Special]

This post is a pretty good reason.

He was replaced. Providing more would be kind of ridiculous since it'd be hard for him to respond.

So, what you're

really

saying is that your target ceased to be a target and, for whatever reason, you declined to even look for another target.

Gotcha.

[Nobody Special]

Then, oh, I don't know, make a case on

me?

Or haven't I posted enough for you to work with yet?

[Nobody Special]

Hahaha

Unvote, Vote: CMAR

Did a quick rundown on Josh's ISO.

Guess who is never mentioned?

Not once. Quoted once that I saw, but never talked about.

(That said if I'm right about this I'd put heavy money on Ooba and Darox both being town now).

I have reason to doubt your speculations about setup. (Sorry, but it is what it is.) That said, I want to check Josh's iso myself (not that I don't trust you) but MS is being a real bitch tonight. Maybe it'll be better tomorrow.

[Nobody Special]

Mine's also not a softclaim, it's meta-based. Sorry for not being more clear.

[Nobody Special]

Hi -- I apologize, but my weekend was horrendous. Now it's Monday, and there's Actual Work. I'll have some thoughts this evening.

[Nobody Special]

This is quite dumb. I don't defend Josh ever and yes I did attack Slaine Hayes because he was scummy. Two other people seemed to agree with me. Also, if we have agreed that Josh was a traitor, even if I was mafia, I wouldn't have known he has scum. Therefore all of the above means nothing.

While this makes me a little it did give me a missing the trees for the forest moment: Josh was a Doctor.

No way in hell he didn't know who the scum were.

Since Josh was a

Mafia Doctor,

your entire point is, well, Obvious. So, why'd you bother? Are you trying to point out things that are Obvious in order to increase your town cred? Seriously. What?

1) "Josh is tech" This argument was ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS and made no sense to me.
2) That Josh was rolefishing with his roleclaiming comment about Darox's Innkeeper. I thought it was obvious that Josh was not rolefishing, but saying for no one to roleclaim at all. Spyrex attacked him here for no reason.

Yes, putting 1 (the garbage the scum was spewing) and 2 (the dissonance in his "this is good" "wait, this is bad") is a great idea.

Dingle dangle

Please translate "Dingle dangle" into something I can relate to, like English. I have a feeling I know what you meant, but please clarify.

[Nobody Special]

i feel like this has stagnated.

how does everyone feel about a CMAR speedlynch to spice things up?

I would be fine switching. Three more and we're there!

[Nobody Special]

EBWOP: I mean, you know, 2 more if I switch.

Also, cruelty, isn't it rather hypocritical of you to say the game has stagnated, since you just got prodded?

[Nobody Special]

unvote

Vote: CMAR

[Nobody Special]

Because I certainly wasn't going to win over enough votes for easjo. I'll work on that case much more tomorrow.

Why aren't you voting? Who's your top suspect?

[Nobody Special]

Yes, CMAR, I suspect you are total scum. Hence, my vote.

[Nobody Special]

Unvote

Some things need to be addressed before anyone dies today.
Cry needs to stop stalling and post his touted ISO. He hasn't even said who it's on.

Cruelty needs to stop being scum.

CMAR has intimated that his ISO is on Slaine. I can't recall anything that contradicts that.

Unvote

Some things need to be addressed before anyone dies today.
Cry needs to stop stalling and post his touted ISO. He hasn't even said who it's on.

Cruelty needs to stop being scum.

Thank ya kindly. ISO is almost done, have had a few things back here in reality to deal with.

You are either THE slowest mafia player in all of recorded history, or you're lying through your teeth.

I'm waiting, but this better be damned good. Also, ooba brought up some good points that I want to look into.

unvote

[Nobody Special]

Nobody Special
Doesn't like Darox's nameclaim.
"Very skeptical of Josh". No given reason. At this point Josh is obv the D1 lynch.
Says SpryeX is "less jovial, less outspoken" than usual.
Is way, way too ready to lynch Josh, for "purposely misinterpreting things" - his example is the slippery slope debate. Concludes with "Please, get lynched. Vote: Josh. Still on Page 7. Still reading. Still happy with a Josh lynch."
When SpryeX (not harshly at all, complete with a wink smiley face) responds to his comments, he says "Just observing, sheesh. Don't get your panties in a bunch. Have NONE of you on this whole fucking board EVER heard of '"hyperbole?'"
D2, he votes a lurker. Laughably, he also says "I also have some suspicions about Darox (admitted active lurking, distancing from Josh)"
When Darox pressures CMAR, he says to CMAR, "So, what you're

really

saying is that your target ceased to be a target, and, for whatever reason, you declined to even look for another target. Gotcha."

In essence: he seems to think everyone is scum. As soon as anyone is under any kind of pressure at all, he jumps onto them as though he's always been there. Furthermore, whenever he perceives any kind of pressure on himself (above, in the response to Darox, and also in the back-and-forths with CMAR), he responds with venomous ad-hom.

I'm definitely happy with a CMAR lynch. I'm fairly sure one is scum, and it's possible both are scum, and I don't see the other contributing positively to the game anyway. But I think NS is more likely to be scum, and CMAR's more likely to be just stupid.

You call this a

case?

I don't think everyone is scum. Far from it.

I have made cases on each person I've voted for; I'm very sorry if those cases aren't meeting your standards.

I do agree, though, that CMAR is just being VI.

[Nobody Special]

Also, ooba brought up some good points that I want to look into.

Just noticed this. Did ya get a chance to look into this?

Your thoughts on cruelty?

No, I got sidetracked by CMAR and the resulting firestorm against me. I'll look at you more closely D2.

cruelty is seemingly town; I doubt scum would blatantly joke about that (Hello, WIFOM!).

[Nobody Special]

Are you saying that I agree CMAR is town? Because that's sure not the case - I said he's wrong about that.

See, I thought you were saying CMAR wasn't a VI.


Also, Darox, I don't "parrot." Not you, not anyone.

[Nobody Special]

Spyrex is scum, Ooba is town, Josh is VI.

Given you have not mentioned Sprex once today I feel the need to ask – is he still scum in your eyes? Or was, as you put it at ISO 26 “totally random you guys”. If so why were you random voting well out of RVS?

TOTALLY RANDOM YOU GUYS.

Cruelty needs to stop being scum.

Is cruelty still scum? Beyond NS (and I still assume CMAR) who do you find most suspicious?

I don't know. Cruelty, have you stopped being scum like I told you?

I seem to have replaced into a extreme lurker spot. If my town reads ever found my predecessor's lurkiness malicious, feel free to ask. I think I can explain why she lurked like a mofo but I don't think I should yet.

Does the explanation have nothing to do with in-game but rely solely on easjo meta? Because otherwise the only other explanation you could offer is role-based. Given you specifically pointed out soft-claim / claim requests as something you didn’t like out of CMAR, myself, ooba I really would like to know if you are inviting requests for some variety of claim yourself. That would seem to be inconsistent. Note that I want nothing of a claim from you just information as to were your explanation comes from.

Thanks Captain Obvious! No one has mentioned this before!

This post adds literally NOTHING to the discussion.

I'm going to iso Darox as soon as my eyeballs recover from the WALL-O-TEXT from VV. Also, I'll respond. In a bit.

Darox just pisses me off. Hey, do you know Ythan? You two would get along

famously.

[Nobody Special]

Unvote; Vote: NobodySpecial

Note: Just checked, and this is L-1
Get back online fool

I count as L-2.

Darox, ooba, VV, CMAR == 4.

6 to lynch.

Prepping my eyeballs to read that humongous thang that VV plopped into the thread.

Expect another post from me within the hour.

[Nobody Special]

NS #320 - Is all kinds of forced. Trying to fit in, reliving the useless scum innkeeper ruse ie. let's go back to talking about useless things and wasting time!, Very skeptical of Josh but no vote ie awkward bus tension, flings some dirt on obvtown who's pushing scum, 'more tonight' comment ie: 'Let town cook on the bullshit info I'm spreading'. I regret that we have but one lynch a day.

What I

actually

said:

I have read through page 6. I have to do some actual, you know, work today, so the remainder of the thread will have to wait till tonight.

Some impressions:

-- I have run across "tech" on his very site before. It seems to be a young person thing (I'm older than dirt).
-- I'm not thrilled that Darox said he was an Innkeeper.
-- I'm even less thrilled that the bloody discussion of same went on for, like, forty pages afterwards (although, it may have helped with scumhunting).
-- Very skeptical of Josh.
-- SpyreX

is

acting differently here. (I know, meta BAD blah blah)

More later tonight.

Wow. My post isn't the "forced" one; it's VV's

interpretation

of my post that is, obviously, forced. I wasn't "letting town stew" in my bullshit; I had just replaced into the thread and was catching up. Obviously, I'm not the MafiaGod that VV seems to be, what with his eyeball-breaking MegaSuperDuper Catch-Up Post of Doom. Woe.

Page 14
NS #336 - Glad we're done with the awkward pre-bus tension. Also, still at page 7 an

Please, do note that VV made no comment on my indication that Josh was scum

because he was debating debate terms

rather than actual scum-related issues.

Page 15
NS #368 - obvious scum post looking for an easy lynch.

What I

actually

said:

Shall we take a brief look at easjo? Sure:

D1 he did a lot of apologizing for not posting enough. The one substantive post he did make is as follows:

You have to give us something to go on. Like I've pointed out before I see nothing except setup speculation and zero scumhunting from your side. even if you don't think "anybody is scum", I'd like your opinions on various players.

JoshTheStampede- I haven't really taken to like from the start
Zang- not much to say either way
Slaine Hayes- dodgy but don't think he's scummy
cruelty- not much to say either way
TheSkeward- not much to say either way
Yosarian2- seems to be chipping in on the scum hunt
SpyreX- dodgy
CryMeARiver- dont really have an opinion
MagnaofIllusion- is contributing to the hunt
Darox- think hes town
Ooba- dont know

Waffling. Major, huge, active-lurking, I'm-scum-please-don't look-at-me waffling.

I also have some suspicions about Darox (admitted active lurking, distancing from Josh), but for now

Vote: easjo

I don't think I'm looking for an "easy lynch." I think easjo (now VV -- hmmm. Any connection there? NO WAY, HUH?) was AND IS scum.

Please also note how this can actually be construed as OMGUS.

Page 20
NS #491 - Right, call the guy who made a pretty awesome case against you a VI.

What I

actually

said:

...doesn't actully matter: I

did

call CMAR a VI.

And I meant it.

I personally want the NS lynch today because there are some major connections between him and Spyrex/Darox.

That's just the same as saying "I'll have eggs for breakfast because eggs come from a cow and I want steak for dinner." (Translation for the humor-impaired: It makes

no fucking sense.

Not in my world, at least.)

[Nobody Special]

When the hell did I unvote?

Oh yeah, when VV replaced in.

Well, VV is still as scummy as easjo was.

Vote: VV

Potential scumbuddies: Darox

I will answer Magna's post later today (may be as late as tonight) and will follow up on my Darox case.

[Nobody Special]

But I don't think a claim is in order until I'm at L-1.

Currently, I'm at L-2.

[Nobody Special]

Well, since you asked so nicely:

Thank you for replacing in, I'm glad to have you! I also extended the deadline by a couple days for you to catch up.

Role PM:

Welcome to Victorian Vampire! I suggest you add the topic to your Watch list and read over the rules.

You are Oswald the Reeve. You spend the night hunched over your ledgers accounting for the Lord’s rents. You win with town.

You may begin posting in the game immediately. Good luck!

I appear to be simply a Vanilla Townie.

@SpyreX: I will. Soon.

[Nobody Special]

NS:

One more try.

Vote AND Give a case. Go.

Wait -- you want to me re-state my case on VV?

I will if you really want, but he's scum all the way.

[Nobody Special]

I am so torn.

I just re-read CMAR in iso. Go, read it, the patterns are there -- waffling; lots of promises of "content" later, then nothing; just a general gut feeling that he's scum.

I think that I've pretty much proved my towniness with my Role PM quote, so it's not like I'll look too scummy if I hammer, but -- I should give him a chance to at least claim. Or defend himself. Or something.

Okay, if he responds in the next day or so, I'm ready to hammer. I'm ready to hammer now. But I'll give him a chance to bury himself some more if he can.

Potential hammerers: me, ooba, magna, zang. I'm willing.

[Nobody Special]

unvote

Grumble. I can't today, but maybe tonight/tomorrow -- I'ma follow up on DAROX and ooba. And re-read the whole frigging thread.

[Nobody Special]

Not sure I agree with ooba as town; but I'm happy to press DAROXscum and perhaps maybe SpyreX.

More tonight.

[Nobody Special]

I just don't believe your PM; it's too similar to mine, like it's trying too hard to be a copycat.

Call it gut.

Vote: VV