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Vote: Fatefor stalking me.
HoS: InflatablePie, Fugitive, NvayCherubfor being from SH
FoS: Zang, Docpotterbecause I've played with them before
IGMEOY: Antiximo, Brandi, broomhead, Espeonage, FakeGodbecause I have no clue who any of you are
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Your question makes no sense.
Also,unvote, vote: Antiximo- Popping gallis!!!ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Who's Parama? I'm not Parama .-.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Oh one more thing.
This post should be the first and last time the word "meta" is used. I do not want to see another use of that word in-thread.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Or meta is completely useless and doesn't workShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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^townEspeonage wrote:OMGUSVote: Zang
Brandi, I can assure you it wasn't serious. I do not approve of the buddying, either.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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I didn't like your question. It looked like a buddying attempt.
Explain how it comes off as defending DP?ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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You're the one stalking me though! I /in'ed this game before you! And you're trying tore-replaceinto another game I'm in!!! <______<ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Oh I see what I misunderstood, took defensive attitude the wrong way.
In response to the second bit, I am raging at him for using that word.
Don't understand how my comment towards Fate is buddying. Considering I consider your earlier question to be buddying it's funny to see your accusation turned against me and the hypocrisy in your reason is astounding!ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Your vote is based on my supposed "buddying" yet your logic is going in an entirely different direction?
And if you would care to explain what you mean by your most recent post I'd be more likely to respond.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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The problem is that I have no clue what you're implying is scummy now. It's rather hard to defend against that.Brandi wrote:
Wow, you just keep making scummier and scummier posts. This is awesome. Don't worry, it's so obvious that by now I'm sure the rest of the town can easily pick up on it.Parama wrote:Your vote is based on my supposed "buddying" yet your logic is going in an entirely different direction?
And if you would care to explain what you mean by your most recent post I'd be more likely to respond.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Lol there's a wagon on me. Good times.
Lol 3 of the votes are RVS. Good times.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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No, see, the problem is that if I have no clue what I'm being accused of then:Brandi wrote:But you see, I see no reason to explain myself to someone who I think is scum. What good does it do the town to explain to scum what they've done wrong? The fact that you are worried about what you need to defend against is a scumtell.
1. I can't defend myself
2. The attacker can continue pushing the case with minimal reason
Stop RVSing guys, I think that phase already ended.
FakeGod needs to rethink his life.unvote, vote: FakeGodbecause that's a bad excuse to jump onto an easy wagon. Plus it's putting me within L-2 before all the players have had a chance to show up... AND it's ignoring everything that went on in the last page... dear god the list goes on and on and on and on and on and...ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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It ended at the end of Page 1, when 3 players got into an argument and logic was thrown around. Anyone random voting at this point is using it as an excuse to jump onto a wagon.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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I like this logic but I think it's a bit early to be establishing scumlinks. Even if both players are scummy in their own regard and happen to both play a part in the same wagon through the logic you pointed out and...Espeonage wrote:
FakeGod took his teammate's place on the wagon when it was no longer benificial for them to have her on it. They are both acting scummy as well.InflatablePie wrote:
Would you like to share your story with the class?Espeonage wrote:Fake god and Brandi are on the same scum team.
Oh. Well... carry on then.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Antiximo overreacting to everything is getting old now.
The vote itself was not the problem. The timing and the reasons behind it were, and there's nothing you can do to take those back.FakeGod wrote: @Parama: It's cool.Unvoteand now your reaction is......?
But the problem is I shot you in the head for saying meta.Fate wrote:Unvote
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Meta is worthless. That's why I don't want people to use meta. It just doesn't work.Brandi wrote:On the first page Parama makes a statement about how he didn't want to see anyone mention meta. That is a bad for the fact that he is trying to lord some sort of authority over the town. Just because he says it is wrong doesn't make it so- many people have different opinions on the matter and it looks like he wants to use that as an excuse to lynch someone later on by saying "HEY I SAID NO META HERE YOU MUST BE SCUM!"
Being anti-meta = scumtell? Lol.
Lol, I'm giving my stance on meta. I already told people not to use it, and I gave my reasons why.Brandi wrote:DocPotter (jokingly) replies to this by over-using the word meta, and Parama responds in a bit of a negative and defensive light. Which is odd considering the fact he claimed to know he was being sarcastic. (Which I was quick to point out later)
Notice the eyeroll emoticon. Lol it's definitely a sign of being serious
Or I feel a need to call someone likely town due to their attitude and timing of their post. I get good vibes from Espeonage's post there and I get good logic from his following ones. Issues there? I'm just callin' 'em as I see 'em, and I see a townie.Brandi wrote:
First of all, there is absolutely NO evidence you can gain from such a post to consider Espe to be town at that point. Even if you had played with him before, a random vote like that would not be sufficient.Parama wrote:
^townEspeonage wrote:OMGUSVote: Zang
Brandi, I can assure you it wasn't serious. I do not approve of the buddying, either.
But it is also scummy in GENERAL because scum KNOW who the town are and could call ANYONE TOWN for ANYTHING. The fact that he felt the need to label someone town this early makes me think he is potentially setting up for something to go back to later on.
Whoops, I was accusing you of buddying with me, not Doc. Why you would bother to ask if someone was being serious about their vote during in RVS is a type of overreaction that can be used as a link later.Brandi wrote:He also accuses me of buddying which isridiculousas it was pretty obvious that was not the intent of my question. There is nothing remotely buddybuddy about what I said to Doc, I was not being friendly with him, I was not complimenting him, I was not supporting his ideas in any way shape or form. Knowing whether someone is serious or not could potentially lead to a vote- if he had been serious I would have called him opportunistic- since he wasn't I get the feeling he was just playing around with Parama (WHICH ALSO HAPPENS TO BE BUDDYING- SOMETHING YOU DISAPPROVE OF PARAMA!)
Meh, I explain it badly. But I've seen it as a buddy tell plenty of times and felt the need to call it out.
I think you're overanalyzing RVS posts.Brandi wrote:
The fact that he didn't call Doc out for "buddying" him earlier yet he felt the need to point out he thought that -I- was buddying shows he is inconsistent.
...Brandi wrote:Then there is this gem:
Look MORE CLOSELY AT BEFORE AND AFTER:Parama wrote:You're the one stalking me though! I /in'ed this game before you! And you're trying tore-replaceinto another game I'm in!!! <______<
...Parama wrote:I do not approve of the buddying, either.
to THIS:
Notice the smiley face, the exclamation marks, the aura of familiarity, the friendly talking. Before he was talking to me in a serious manner. To fate? Definitely not. There is no doubting that this is blatantly obvious buddying here.Parama wrote:You're the one stalking me though!I /in'ed this game before you! And you're trying tore-replaceinto another game I'm in!!!<______<
NO. JUST NO. YOU ARE TAKING EVERYTHING I SAY TOO SERIOUSLY.
THERE IS THIS THING CALLED HUMOR. I USE IT ON OCCASION. THERE IS THIS THING CALLED SARCASM. I USE IT OFTEN. YOU DON'T SEEM TO BE ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENT BETWEEN A SERIOUS POST AND A NON-SERIOUS POST.
Calling this buddying is a massive misrep considering that the intention was to keep a friendly atmosphere which you seem so intent on crushing. If you think everything I say is completely serious, you've missed half my posts in this thread. If you're going to call joking around buddying then I need to buy you a new scumdar. Here's $300, go crazy.
Lol, the problem is that I wasn't buddying.Brandi wrote:So, what is wrong with this picture?
Oh.
That's right.
Immediately after he accuses ME of buddying, what does he do?HE GOES AND BUDDIES SOMEONE ELSE.
Not only is that hypocritical, it is once again, as I stated, immensely inconsistent which scummy as hell. If you're going to play a certain way, stick to it. Not go all wishy-washy and jump onto someone for doing one thing and then not everyone else who does it.
Lol, the problem is that I wasn't buddying.Brandi wrote:So what did I do? I called him out on it:
Obviously this post was meant to call him out on his hypocrisy. Just as I expected- it flew right over his head (and sadly the rest of the town as well) , and gets defensive and over-eager as well:Brandi wrote:Parama wrote:You're the one stalking me though! I /in'ed this game before you! And you're trying tore-replaceinto another game I'm in!!! <______<unvote
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Buddying doesn't sit well with me.
Lol, the problem is that I wasn't buddying.Brandi wrote:
ITT Parama completely misses the point. And the fact that he "doesn't see" (Completely denying it) the buddying between him and Fate even further discredits his initial attack on me. If my question to Doc was buddying, his comment towards Fate is buddying x 9000.Parama wrote: Don't understand how my comment towards Fate is buddying. Considering I consider your earlier question to be buddying it's funny to see your accusation turned against me and the hypocrisy in your reason is astounding!
If I have nothing to defend against I have no way to tell you that you are wrong, thus you will continue to leave your vote on me for logical fallacies. I'd rather spend time pointing out errors in cases against me and then continue finding the real scum than spend time wondering what the hell you're talking about and being unable to do anything about it.Brandi wrote:He then proceeds to make comments asking me for my reasoning. This is something scum do because as I previously stated, scum squirm/flail when they don't understand what they've done wrong. He is asking me to give him something to defend against. If he was pro-town he wouldn't care about my vote or my confidence in it. Especially considering he wasn't really close to being lynched as most of the votes on him were RVS votes, which would easily and quickly get removed.
Implying that I really did feign helpfulness, which is something you can't prove because it's wrong.Brandi wrote:Then he goes and continues to be scummy throughout the rest of the game:
Once again lording over some sort of self-credited authority over the town, pretending to actually be doing something when doing nothing at all- especially considering there was no one to direct that statement to as we were already out of RVS.Stop RVSing guys, I think that phase already ended.
Feigning helpfulness is also a scumtell.
If you can point out 16 scummy posts I've made out of 17 posts total (rounding up here), go for it. If you want to bring percentages that you cannot objectively prove into the game, go for it. I say go for it because it's impossible, and if you want to waste your time with it, I'm not going to object. Continuing to build a case on me based on misrep and misinterpretation is a bigger waste of time than what you're doing right now.Brandi wrote:90% of the posts he has made in the game thus far have been scummy. So far he is the scummiest player over all. He needs to die.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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EBWOP: That last sentence should read:
"That would be less of a waste of time than continuing to build a case on me based on misrep and misinterpretation like you've been doing."
Total word failure. Bleh.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Not going to argue with that logic.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Apparently I can't change your mind, so I'm not going to bother responding.
ANYWAYS.
FakeGod still needs to have a noose around his neck.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Yup.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Before you ask no it doesn't have anything to do with you in particular.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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This is pointless.
I am only being hypocritical under the assumption that I actually did buddy with someone, which I have not. Apparently humor is buddying nowadays. Your assumption is incorrect, your case is invalid, thus you have no case.
Do you see my point now? Good.
Brandi, I think you're town who's looking way too hard into everything and tunneling on me when there's a more obvious scum in FakeGod. If I thought you were scum I wouldn't bother responding to any of your walls because I don't need to explain why a case on me is logically flawed to scum because they won't listen to me anyways.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Okay, here's how I would define buddying.
Buddying is a deliberate attempt to establish a connection with another player. Buddying can be obvious and buddying can be subtle.
Scumlinks are different from buddying because scumlinks are not intentional by definition - it's more something that scum inevitably do regardless of whether they know it or not. The two can overlap - buddying can be a scumlink, of course, since otherwise there would be no point in looking into buddying attempts - but there's a definite difference.
Dunno where your definition of buddying came from, though I could agree that in certain cases it would fit under my definition - though it would more likely be the timing of such a post that would catch my eye.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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*headdesk*Zang wrote:Ok, here's my thoughts about the players and the role they played in the game so far.
Parama-why do you hate meta?
Are you even reading the thread? It REALLY helps.
You're rather late for the party y'know.
Um, yes she didZang wrote:Your voted for parama after saying that he was "buddying" with fate. How was this buddying? And when asked by Parama you say that
andAh, just as I expected you to respond. The fact that that flew right over your head is quite amusing.
But you never did explain it.Wow, you just keep making scummier and scummier posts. This is awesome. Don't worry, it's so obvious that by now I'm sure the rest of the town can easily pick up on it.
This is where the lines between RVS and real discussion where blurred. I assume that because Fate voted for Parama as a random vote that Parama would respond to it as a random vote. [/quote]Zang wrote:Notice the smiley face, the exclamation marks, the aura of familiarity, the friendly talking. Before he was talking to me in a serious manner. To fate? Definitely not. There is no doubting that this is blatantly obvious buddying here.
If you were reading the thread you would realize that this argument has been worked out and it was because of different definitions of the same term.
Conclusions: READ THE THREAD DAMMIT.FoS: Zang- You haven't done much all game and what youhavedone is bring up out-of-date arguments just as an excuse to jump on the current largest wagon. If FakeGod wasn't such obvious scum I'd probably be voting you.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Now seems as good a time as any to post my FakeGod case.
1. Using the reasoning of RVS to take an opportunistic place on a growing wagonFakeGod wrote:so I asked my 8 ball whether Parama is maf.
It said yes 5 times in a row, forcing me to re-RVS.
Unvote: Broom
Vote: Parama
2. Ignores the fact that Brandi has been putting up logic for here vote
3. Puts me at L-2 before all the players even have a chance to show up - L-2 is rather dangerous at such an early stage of the game
Pretty sure I already posted these reasons before.
After I call him out for his post he tries to appeal to me with an apology... but doesn't act upon it. Just blatant AtE.FakeGod wrote:Rethinking my life. Sorry for jumping on your wagon.
There is a complete lack of content here. Considering the opening line of the post you'd expect to find something but nothing here actually contributes to the game - it's just more appealing to other players.FakeGod wrote:Wow! This is fast-paced!!!
@Espeonage: I like your style. Concise and decisive.
@Antiximo: yeeeah I thought I saw you there...
@InPie: I never stop random voting. Never ever.
There's no reason for townies to appeal to everyone - they should focus on finding the scumzorz, not trying to make themselves look townier. FakeGod is doing the latter, which is something only scum have motivation to do.
Yep more appealing. He even asks for my reaction to an unvote. You really want to know? I think you're just trying to get others to like you so nobody will lynch you. As you can see, that's certainly backfired.FakeGod wrote:@InPie: I <3 Pikachu!
@Brandi: I like your style. Sophisticated and well-reasoned.
@Parama: It's cool.Unvoteand now your reaction is......?
Alright, I think I have a rough sketch of people I'll be playing with. It's an honor to be playing with you folks*takes a bow*but I don't think I'll be posting until more people (like that broom guy I rved) shows up.
The case on FakeGod starts an incriminating post committing 3 scummy actions, and continues with a constant stream of appeal to try and cover it up. I'm not buying it, there's no town motive for what he's doing, only scum motivation.
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If this is true then why did you unvote later for no reason whatsoever?FakeGod wrote:If you couldn't tell my sarcasm, I'll tell you right now that I wasn't rethinking my life, or sorry for jumping on your wagon. Please refer to my quote above.
If you had realized what you were doing was wrong then why did you continue to do it?FakeGod wrote:Since you just accused me of trying to get others to like me in order to save myself, I take that you believe that's true, and that it could work? Yeah, sure. In a million years maybe.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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That's being unfair. It's called time zones and lack of computer access. Nvay hadn't had a chance to post; you DID and all you did was post useless fluff. Major difference there.
And you realize you are trying to discourage scumhunting for the sole reason that "the game just started!", right?ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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But the problem is you just contradicted yourself - you said you had a reason for voting me, and now you're saying it's RVS? Good lord.FakeGod wrote:@Parama: Unvoting Random Vote without a reason is illegal now? and to your second question: "NO. JUST NO. ............ NON-SERIOUS POST" -Parama.
Oh please, don't go there. If you're not being serious, you're doing a horrible job of it. And please don't turn this into a game where every time I call you out for something you're going to be like 'OH I WASN'T BEING SERIOUS THERE"FakeGod wrote:Are you serious about your second post? because as I recall according to your words, there exists people like yourself who isn't serious every minute of the game, who enjoys writing in few fluffs, maybe for icebreaking.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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I think you're misunderstanding "chainsaw"...
A chainsaw is attacking someone for attacking another player. It's rather scummy to do because it's defending the other player while completely missing the point of defense and buddying up to that player. If you're going to defend someone, go all-out for it.
You don't want your play to be characterized by chainsaws, if you get my drift <.<
I agree that short content filled posts are pro-town but there are times when at least SOME reason is required.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Implying that you had a reason to be on me. If you did not then you're caught in a contradiction.FakeGod wrote:If you couldn't tell my sarcasm, I'll tell you right now that I wasn't rethinking my life, or sorry for jumping on your wagon. Please refer to my quote above.
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FakeGod didn't have a case on me, he RVSed.InflatablePie wrote: This may be true, but you just so happened to call out the two people with an actual case on Parama (the rest being RVS votes) and label them scum with no reasoning, almost out of nowhere. This is called a chainsaw defense. It doesn't even matter if Parama is scum at this point, even if Parama is town then it makes you look good for attacking those attacking him.
If you want to know why I think Espeonage's link is goodlogic,
^good logic. Problem is that Brandi is town and FakeGod is scum so even though the logic is good there's some sort of fallacy in it that I have yet to find.Espeonage wrote:Ok it was based around the timing of FakeGod's post. It came just after Brandi unvoted.
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Espeonage why did you lie to me? 164 = scummiest post not made by FakeGod thus far. I think I was wrong about you and I hate being wrong.
1. Bad reason to vote Brandi
2. LOL at that RVS statement
3. The timing of your vote on FakeGod is unsettling.
WHY MUST EVERYONE BE SCUM?FoS: Espeonage
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LOLOLOLOL OMGUSFakeGod wrote: Navy, be serious. Do you really think I'm scum? Are you sure enough to bet your life (mafia life) on it?
FakeGod, you claim to make any argument against you fall apart yet you have done little to prove why we're wrong and you're right - you're just repeating the same things over and over even if it's not what you're being accused of. Nothing you have said has convinced me that I'm wrong, so I will continue to hold my vote as long as you continue to be the scummiest player here.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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You already know my answer to your question.
I love how you're accusing people of being scum and then not acting upon it in any way. Votes? FoSes? Have a reason to accuse someone of being scum before you accuse them, please.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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You answered it but your answers were not satisfying and I don't believe everything you've said. And if you really want me to add to it, you've been contradicting yourself frequently, accusing people without reason, and backtracking.FakeGod wrote:
Parama, please re-list your case against me. I answered to everything you accused me of I believe.Parama wrote: LOLOLOLLOL OMGUS
FakeGod, you claim to make any argument against you fall apart yet you have done little to prove why we're wrong and you're right - you're just repeating the same things over and over even if it's not what you're being accused of. Nothing you have said has convinced me that I'm wrong, so I will continue to hold my vote as long as you continue to be the scummiest player here.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Okay I will admit that was a miscommunication.
Silly question to ask, but yes I'm pretty damn sure you're scum. If you flip town then I have failed at scumhunting. But betting my life in the game upon it? That's not a promise I can follow through with, because - believe it or not - in mafia sometimes townies get lynched. And should every player on a ML be lynched for being on the ML wagon? If that were the case then towns would never win mafia.
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You have issues. That was uncalled for.Antiximo wrote:
Oh how cute, she gives us all a kind heart-felt welcome, I feel butterflies in my stomach.Brandi wrote:Hello everyone, I can't say I recognize any of your names, but my memory is pretty terrible so if I may have just forgotten some of you. I'm totally ready for this game as I have my fursona as my avatar
Makes me want to hurl.
The issue was resolved; it was an argument based on different definitions of the same term. Once it was resolved there was no need to keep fighting about it - I'm amazed that you did all this rereading and still didn't understand the argument at all.Antiximo wrote:Brandi completely drops Parama for the rest of the page, and votes FakeGod.
I'm thrown off by this due to.
1) Parama, was from Brandi's POV scum, why would she so quickly look into 'scum's' FoS when to her it shouldn't be important?
2) She no longer responds to any of the quarrelling that goes on.
3) She has had no contact or any thought of FakeGoD (perhaps too headstrung over Parama).
Or maybe someone who hasn't had computer access since their most recent post? That can happen y'know.Antiximo wrote:until proven otherwise, he's either un-helpful town who needs to get pressured to get into the game, lurking scum, or parroting scum. I'm not liking Doc of pottering's way of playing at all right now
Your Espeonage read is based on the fact that he hasn't given reasons... but he did!
Um... what? You bring up reasons he could be scum, then get a town read on him based on those? Contradiction much?Antiximo wrote:FakeGod wrote:so I asked my 8 ball whether Parama is maf. It said yes 5 times in a row, forcing me to re-RVS. Unvote: Broom Vote: Parama something strange is going on......better ask my 8 ball again
Take note of this, he is still RVS'ing. Purposely ignoring the conversation going on.
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After defending himself from Parama, he does infact, respond. However he responds with a emotion filled message saying that Navy is infact, the scummy one. Or better yet, that Navy isn't helping commenting on FakeGod's not helpful posts.
TL;DR - FakeGod is trying very hard for his life, and seems genuinely offended that his kindness was taken as scumminess. I find that for games such as these, it's best to stick with the norm. Usually things that pop out randomly, are only considered scummy, not out of the norm. I feel FakeGod is pretty town, however dumb town not taking the game seriously, newbie if you will.
You don't need cases to have good reads. I prefer posting my cases on my scum reads to convince others why I'm right - others are just blunt about their reads and have reasons but don't give them. The latter doesn't make anyone scummier.Antiximo wrote:I see, Fugitive has clear reads extremely early, and makes a case on neither. He does however leave a vote on FakeGod.
Calling out someone who isn't contributing = goodpostingAntiximo wrote:...Fugi never made a post about loving me... ;_; Zang, you don't have ANY thoughts on the day so far?
cool random post of nothing, also note his reach to other players.
When did I ever say I found Brandi scummy? And consistently being scummy is a good thing?Antiximo wrote:
Again, lack of a case =/= scummy.Nvay wrote:Fate - Post more please. Fugi - Yes, I like where your thoughts are right now, but post more.[/qupte]
It seems as if Navy likes the players who post FoS's, but don't have information to back it up, convienent that you like only two people
For example, if every player on a wagon had to make their own case on the person else get called out as scum, we would never agree on a lynch. 1. some people don't have the time or are too lazy, 2. cases would disagree with each other and players on the wagon would spend more time arguing about who's right rather than arguing why to lynch the player.
We don't have any dead scum to establish a connection to. Scumlinks are more important once we have a dead scum, as the connections there are much more meaningful. It's not a bad thing to establish scumlinks early but they should not be used as part of a case until there's a dead scum who links to other players.Antiximo wrote:
Oh really? How comeParama wrote:I like this logic but I think it's a bit early to be establishing scumlinks.
Let's ride on Espeonage some more please. Generally speaking his logic isn't all that sound, considering From your POV, your view of Brandi being scummy is OMGUS of sorts. Fakegod's from his trolling, which is regardless how you see it, consistent.Antiximo wrote:[Quote="Parama"Even if both players are scummy in their own regard and happen to both play a part in the same wagon through the logic you pointed out and... Oh. Well... carry on then.
I explained it. Why is everyone freaking out over an announced town read? (and hell it's already changed due to a terribad post by Espe)Antiximo wrote:
Woah, you were being serious about your town claim on Espe-? Scum alert. Espeonage said a total of FIVE LETTERS. (granted, it's an acronym)Parama wrote:Or I feel a need to call someone likely town due to their attitude and timing of their post. I get good vibes from Espeonage's post there and I get good logic from his following ones. Issues there? I'm just callin' 'em as I see 'em, and I see a townie
Lol that's not what my accusation of buddying was based on - please read more carefully next time. I explained why in the post you quoted.Antiximo wrote:
How could Brandi calling you out as scum possibly be buddying?Parama wrote:Whoops, I was accusing you of buddying with me, not Doc. Why you would bother to ask if someone was being serious about their vote during in RVS is a type of overreaction that can be used as a link later. Meh, I explain it badly. But I've seen it as a buddy tell plenty of times and felt the need to call it out.
Because obviously everything in RVS is supposed to be taken 100% seriously.Antiximo wrote:
Nice defense.Parama wrote:I think you're overanalyzing RVS posts.
Arguing down a case against me = trivial? Lololol.Antiximo wrote:Parama wrote:... NO. JUST NO. YOU ARE TAKING EVERYTHING I SAY TOO SERIOUSLY.
Sudden outbursts over trivial things.
I'm telling people why I find them scummy or what they're doing wrong. Yes, I am being rather blunt about it. Is that a big deal?Antiximo wrote:
anger towards Zang. Parama doesn't seem very helpful towards keeping town in the right direction. I don't like his play style, whether it may be meta-gaming him as town or not. I just... can't wrap my finger around how that arguement happened and was dropped so quickly. While i have towntells from Brandi, I feel that was staged too.. Frustration :_: w/e, i'm done with this guy.Parama wrote:*headdesk* Are you even reading the thread? It REALLY helps.
Please note that reading the thread carefully is quite important, and you aren't reading it carefully enough considering some of the points you've brought up against me.
The most obvious scum is usually scum. The easiest to FoS has good reasons to be FoSed. There's a method to my madness, and it's one to catch the scum and get them lynched.Antiximo wrote:TL;DR - PARAMA I don't like the way he plays, he generally has spent the day defending himself, explaining meta and how it's bad, and FoS'ing FakeGod who is by far the easiest person to FoS in this entire game. It feels like Mafia biting for an easy target. Then pressuring the poor guy because he generally is fucked for being random for a total of four to five pages. Anyways, i'm not liking Parama too much, but w/e
And if you have problems with the way I play, too bad. I know it works so I'm not going to bother changing it.
Zang, you're so lucky it's ridiculous, i'm so tired right now.. It's been four hours.. I just want to be done... Let's make this quick and painless...
Lol you just pulled that accusation out of thin air didn't you.Antiximo wrote:I agree with this. Parama, Why would esp be town for a RVS OMGUS vote on me?
Whaddya know, this includes Zang. So he's curious about it. It seems like he's secretly pointing a finger to Espeonage to get lynched next, without actually saying it. He is parroting Brandi on another note. If we lynch zang and he flips scum, we should check out Brandi.
So you're interested in his flip but in this same line you don't feel it necessary to say why you find him scummy?Antiximo wrote:TL;DR ZANG I'm interested in his flip. I feel he's the play for today.
*headdesk*
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Where did I say I have a problem with jokes?Antiximo wrote:Parama, why do you have a problem with jokes, however you are okay with yourself joking?
Just curious.
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Reword this question because I have no clue what you're asking.Zang wrote:Parama-
How does looking for a reaction to an unvote make it so that others won't lynch you? And just looking for a reaction I have seen be done by both scum and town.Yep more appealing. He even asks for my reaction to an unvote. You really want to know? I think you're just trying to get others to like you so nobody will lynch you. As you can see, that's certainly backfired.
Although I do agree with your other points in your FakeGod case.
It wasn't the target of his vote that made me get a town vibe, as I have already explained.Zang wrote:
I wanted to know why parama thought esp was town for voting me, just as you wanted to know earlier in your post.Whaddya know, this includes Zang. So he's curious about it. It seems like he's secretly pointing a finger to Espeonage to get lynched next, without actually saying it. He is parroting Brandi on another note. If we lynch zang and he flips scum, we should check out Brandi.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Really Brandi was looking a little too much into RVS nonsense and the way she defined buddying led her to believe I was buddying through my RVS. The way I defined buddying was different and so Brandi thought I was being hypocritical by her definition - took a while to realize we were defining the same term different ways, and when we figured it out there was no longer any argument.Antiximo wrote:Parama brought out this comment although he was content with arguing with Brandi before this. FakeGod has been consistently using this comment because he has been 'rvs'ing' longer than everyone else.
Handing out the newbie card isn't something I'm a fan of doing, especially in theme games. If you're new to mafia you shouldn't be playing theme games until you've done at least a newbie game and a normal game.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Not sure if I'm answering what you're asking because the question is still the worst worded question in history, but:Zang wrote: I'm wondering why looking for a reaction to an unvote makes it so others will like you.
He asked for my thoughts on the unvote - appealed to me and then waited for me to react to this appeal. It wouldn't be as bad if he hadn't asked for my thoughts, but when he added that short question it made it blatantly obvious that all he wanted to do was get on my good side.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Just checking in, I honestly don't have much to say right now. Fugi brings up good points about FG-Pie connections though I'm not sure I agree with them because it's similar to the proposed FG-Brandi connection. Don't really have a read on Pie right now tbh, haven't been paying as much attention to him.
Espe has stopped making sense altogether although I'm not sure if that warrants a lynch or not. FakeGod is still better by any means.
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Anti, if you feel someone is town, don't vote them <.<ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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By the way we are not lynching anybody within the next 5 RL days. I mean yeah I probably won't be changing my vote but the information we can get from letting the day go on longer is as important as lynching right.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Goddammit FateFate wrote:He hasn't responded to the case on him from Pie or myself at ALL.
Also how can this come from Town?:Zang isn't a noob. I would probably policy lynch him on the fact that his only tell while scum that I saw was my gut feeling.
More Espeon votes please. If Anti votes the "probtown newb" over Espeon still in his next post I'll lynch him after Espeon's scumflip.I never said I was advocating a Zang lynch. I was merely giving an explaination to Anti. That is Fate's ideal. Not mine.
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Sorry not much time to say much right now
I like Fugitive's case there's one or two things I disagree with
Espe needs to respond to cases and votes on him
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FG, there's a difference between lying and not reading the thread carefully
Fugi seems to have done the latter.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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I don't get it.
I have no clue what Fugi means by a "strategy"
It looks like he admitted to lying and is backtracking upon it even though what he originally said wasn't a lie but more of a "not reading the thread" time thing.
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That doesn't help :/
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Zang are you going to ever do anything substantial? All you're doing is commenting on other people's posts without providing anything original and you're not really doing any scumhunting. At all.
Why must there be so many scummy people in this game? My Espe vote isn't moving until he responds, maybe not even then if his responses suck. But srsly... FG, Espe, Zang, all need to die.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Not enough time to post or even read all these walls
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Okay, going to say that the man has a point here since I do not approve of whatever the hell Fugi is doing right now. Seriously, explain why you seem to be screwing around, Fugi. I don't get it, I don't think anyone does, and you've openly admitted to doing scummy things with no real explanation except "I have a strategy."FakeGod wrote:Fugi, sorry but I tend not to trust people who pretends lying is part of their grand strategy, and you are not helping town any by keeping this "2-part strategy" to yourself. So until you explain how your lying will help the town find scum, I'm going to include "Fugi lies" in all my posts. And I feel justified in doing so, because I was the victim in this case.
If you're going to appeal to someone, appeal to the people attacking you, not the one defending you. That just screams "buddying."Espeonage wrote:btw I am liking Fugitive as town.
The Fugitive/FakeGod life gamble is the most retarded thing I have ever seen.
THE MOST RETARDED THING I HAVE EVER SEEN.
I hate this. Lynch the most likely scum regardless of the information it will give you. If you're more likely to hit scum with lynch A than lynch B, then obviously lynch A is a better lynch.Fugitive wrote:Now, second order of business. Esp is clearly my second candidate for scum now. I think he's scum, possibly even more likely than FG. BUT, we stand to gain less from his lynch, so I'd still like an FG lynch today.
Note this for later people because this is going to come back to haunt Fugi, I promise.Fugitive wrote:No, it's not meaningless because Esp will probably be lynched today, leaving, likely both of us, tomorrow. And my way is much more town friendly.
Saying you think someone isn't scum implies you don't want to lynch them. Why are you asking such a pointless question?InflatablePie wrote:
Okay. Would you support a Zang lynch, then?Espeonage wrote:No i don't think Zang is scum.
Argument from experience here but yes people who answer questions directed at other people are more likely scum because they're acting with more authority than the town would and are responding with their opinion for another person who might have a different opinion.Fugitive wrote:
You realize they're called "insane" tells because most people regard them as worthless. Like me. Espeonage could be scum, but I wouldn't vote for him, yet, based off of what I've seen no matter what Mastin says.InflatablePie wrote:It's one of Mastin's Insane Tells (wiki it) and I've found it to be generally true.
Why does everyone seem to have some sort of evil plot?InflatablePie wrote:Shh, Fugi. It's bad enough I had to bring up the tell - don't ruin my plan.
Then where are the scum?DocPotter wrote:lol Espeonage.
FG is starting to show obv town, along with Fugi, so perhaps you should try casting your mis-information wider.
*Obligatory Parama Pain of Salvation Joke*Fugitive wrote:
I forgot about this one. Oh, Scoreheroers.InflatablePie wrote:There's a Penis of Suspicion.
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OH MY GOD BROOMHEAD IS SCUM.
SERIOUSLY LOOK AT THE TIMING OF HIS ARGUMENTS.
broomhead wrote:So what does that mean? We can lynch him now (probs not the best idea - in case he is doc) or wait to see if he is killed in the night. If he is, then he was the doc, if not: scum. There is a big flaw with that plan though, say he is doc. Then scum won't kill him over the night and we'll waste our day 2 lynch on an innocent. I see no way to see if he is telling the truth or not besides my gut.
The problems with your initial idea:broomhead wrote:unvote
Vote: Espeonage
1. Lynching a claimed doc is never a good idea, because - like you said - if he IS really a doc then scum will kill him.
2. You set up a nice Espeonage framing here - you're basically saying "If he's alive tomorrow we lynch him." Ever think the scum might intentionally leave him alive for this reason? Not a very townie thing to say.
And the worst part is that you say we shouldn't lynch him and then you go and vote for him two posts later. /contradict self much?
So what do you think Fugi jumping onto Espe was? Scum bussing their buddy when a potential ML could happen just as easily? You seem to be forgetting you have a scum read on Fugi as well as the person he's voting.broomhead wrote:So what does that make me think?
It makes me think that Fugi is the scum and FG is the town. That does not exonerate FG from making a stupid 'life gamble', but whatever.
I'm starting to think that everyone but me is plotting something sinister.broomhead wrote:Well there is a thought. I am am not going to vote for Fugi right now (as I planned) because i have a better idea. But the idea requires more quotes.
I don't get the point of your post following that quote. Are you implying that if we lynch Espe and he flips scum then Fugi would be a good lynch as well? Lining up lynches much?
By the way, blatant defending of someone =/= scum defending scum. In fact, that's rarely the case. If it gives them more town cred then scum will bus their buddies to death if it looks like the lynch is inevitable anyways.
Broomhead's continued push on a claimed PR reeks of scumminess, especially the major logical fails involved.
Yay there's that framing job again. If you want this to happen the why the hell are you voting Espe instead?broomhead wrote:yeah, I think he's lying. and if he is not he'll be killed in the night anyways. And if he is not killed in the night then we are forced to kill him day 2 because why wouldn't the freakin scum kill him? Because he is scum.
Okay, I'm going to use the remainder of your post to point out why you're wrong.Zang wrote:
I believe that I am, I'm not just commenting, I'm responding to questions or accusations at me and I'm asking questions myself. I am scumhunting. And at least I'm contributing, people like docpotter or fate get away with posting little content and I'm the one being criticized for not scumhunting.Parama wrote:Zang are you going to ever do anything substantial? All you're doing is commenting on other people's posts without providing anything original and you're not really doing any scumhunting. At all.
Why must there be so many scummy people in this game? My Espe vote isn't moving until he responds, maybe not even then if his responses suck. But srsly... FG, Espe, Zang, all need to die.
Content problem = active lurkingZang wrote:
I don't know what "content problem" your talking about but I am thinking about voting esp.Fate wrote:Fugitive please bus Espeon now.
Zang an espeon vote would go a long way with your content problem.
Why are you thinking about voting Espe? You say you want to (after a claim) and then you don't act upon it. And there's absolutely no reason.
^pointless filler^Zang wrote:
I recently have also learned something like that but you should still try.DocPotter wrote:Zang, yes I suppose it is.
I learned recently that I don't make good arguements/cases, that my most effective way of playing is to wait for the scum to out one of their number and then track the others down that way.
Which is what I plan to do.
Here we have Zang defending Espe and giving Espe's reasons for him. That doesn't look anything like buddying, does it?Zang wrote:
I think you overreacting. All esp was doing was explaining why he agreed with fate. I don't know how you can get that he thinks I'm scum from that.InflatablePie wrote:You say you don't want a Zang lynch and you tell us what Fate was thinking, rather than letting Fate answer the question.
So you're hinting that you think Zang is scum, but at the same time saying you don't want him lynched. I don't like that. It looks like you're trying to be on both sides here, so you can back up either side later on.
I don't mind your vote on DP, but it's not making you look better. ]
Have you seen him say I was scum anywhere?
^pointless filler^Zang wrote:
No, I think the highest suspicoun is the hand but I have seen a KOS or knuckle of suspicoun which is slightly less than a FOS.FakeGod wrote:Off-Topic Question: is there a Arm of Suspicion? or maybe Half-My-Body of Suspicion?
WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?Zang wrote:
More defending Espe, trying to justify HIS votes. Um... buddy more why don't you?InflatablePie wrote:
That vote was in RVS, it shouldn't count toward if esp has voted for me.InflatablePie wrote:You HAVE voted for Zang. Your first post:
Other than the posts I brought up in my arguments against you (policy lynching, Zang being a good scum), I don't think you've mentioned Zang much.Espeonage wrote:OMGUSVote: Zang
Calm down, Esp. Maybe hum a little bit of "I Feel Pretty"?
Oh really? See: later on in this post.Zang wrote:
I'm not really sure if i believe this yet.espionage wrote:Doc peeps.
ROLEFISHING ZOMGZang wrote:
Are you claiming doctor? as far as I know he is the only person who's claimed doctor unless I'm missing somebody. If your not claiming, how do you know we have two doctors?broomhead wrote:I seriously doubt we have 2 docs in one game so there is no way to save him if he is doc.
Did you really have a reason to hold a Brandi vote for that long? What about Brandi's responses made you see her as townier?Zang wrote:
Thank you for responding to my questions, and alsoBrandi wrote:Eh, because I'm dumb and just didn't think of it. Even still that definition alone would not have helped me much as Parama explained it better.Unvote
Zang wrote:I'm going to hold off on voting espionage for now because of his claim.
So you believe his claim... but earlier you said you didn't believe it. Contradiction.
Notice how the majority of your post here does not even attempt to find scum - it's more defending and doing generally scummy things. There's no logic, there's nothing even worth posting - yet you say you're scumhunting? You're either stupid town or scum. Maybe even stupid scum.
Whoops, back to the Fugi thing I mentioned earlier.
Fugitive wrote:No, it's not meaningless because Esp will probably be lynched today, leaving, likely both of us, tomorrow. And my way is much more town friendly.
Your first quote was from BEFORE you were even voting Espe? Really Fugi? I thought you were better than that. You're saying "Well Espe is going to be lynched" even though you oppose the lynch, and then later you jump on this same wagon.Fugitive wrote:Unvote
Vote: Espeonage
I've been convinced.
Um, hello?
Fugitive wrote:That's L-2, on FG, Parama. Unless I grossly miscounted, but I triple checked.
Unvote
Vote: FakeGod
This is L-1.Fugitive wrote:Esp will probably be lynched today, leaving, likely both of us, tomorrow
Seriously, screw this game.
Parama-certified scumlist:
Broomhead
Zang
FakeGod
Fugitive
Espeonage
If all the scum aren't on this list then I fail at mafia forever. The fact that this list is so big is frustrating me. This is my preferred lynch order for now. It was actually rather hard to order - Broomhead is top because of the repeated contradictions pointed out here along with a lack of activity during the heated parts of the Espe wagon. Zang is there because I have no reason to see him as town, and he's either lying about his posts or just doesn't get it; more likely the former. FakeGod is still scum because he still hasn't done much to help the town. Fugitive has done some ridiculous stuff and has massive contradictions in his voting record. Espeonage isn't on the bottom of this list just because of the claim - my vote was more pressure before and though he hasn't done much to change my mind everyone else above him has proved to be scummier.
unvote, vote: Broomhead
This is a really frustrating game and I don't like having to post huge walls like this just to say everything that needs to be said. This took an hour and I'm all but 100% sure that the entire scumteam is on my list.
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Broomhead is not scum with Espe (unless he's pulling an extreme bus technique that makes no sense at this point)
Fugi is not scum with FakeGod - obvious
Fugi is probably not scum with Espe, though this may be an opinion based on my crazy theories.
Zang is probably not scum with broomhead (rolefishing attempt; this is one of my least favorite things to have to do because these are my top two scum reads )
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In that middle section I didn't really have much to say, bleh. Things were going on but nothing was really happening.
Now that you guys posted 3 pages full of scummy behavior in less than 12 hours I have plenty of points to make.
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Mmk, we have different opinions. I'm voting for who is scummiest, not who is safest to vote for. The scummiest person who didn't claim Weak Doc was FakeGod before I really read the posts but now that I have read them I'm ready to pursue an even more obvious scum.Fugitive wrote:Just sayin', according to that I'm town and your unvote is pretty scummy. Broomhead is definitely a safe-vote because he's not in danger of being lynched, that, and I generally find broom pretty pro-town.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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But now Fate is voting Broomhead.ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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Didn't catch this on my read but noticed it in Brandi's post.broomhead wrote: Claiming doc like that is not all the helpful for him. It also makes me mad suspicious that he didn't just claim doc.
Have something to say about this.
More specific claim = more likely scum? Lol.
And why is claiming a PR not helpful? That doesn't make sense.
Also,broomhead wrote:As a scum on day 1, why not claim doc?
is contradicting yourself pretty obviously.broomhead wrote:Claiming doc like that is not all the helpful for him.
Quote A: Why wouldn't scum claim doc? It helps them.
Quote B: Scum claiming doc doesn't help them.
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I agree, all this talk of pie is just making me hungry.
Also, why are we Pain of Salvation'ing each other?ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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By the way I have nothing new to add because nobody is saying anything.
Though I have to ask: DocPotter, did you see Espe's claim?ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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An ISO of DocPotter shows that he hasn't actually said anything about the claim :/ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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The problem is that if he declares who he's protecting then he'll never save a kill :/ShowEver wanted a playlist full of a lot of music I really dig? Here you go.
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