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Hello, fellow furries.
Doublevote: Paramafor being the first to vote, among other things.
I see quite a few familiar faces in this game.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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More towards happy. I enjoy playing with people I know.Antiximo wrote:@Inflatable Pie - Are you happy, or bothered to see familiar faces.
FoS: Antiximofor not paying attention to the game (see: question directed towards Parama).If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Defensive much, Anti?If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Because RVS ends for everyone at the same time, right? Even for the people who haven't posted? How about you point out the exact moment where it ended, then.Parama wrote:Stop RVSing guys, I think that phase already ended.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Would you like to share your story with the class?Espeonage wrote:Fake god and Brandi are on the same scum team.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Of course, this involves assuming they're scum in the first place, no? I might be missing something or thinking the wrong way.Espeonage wrote:
FakeGod took his teammate's place on the wagon when it was no longer benificial for them to have her on it. They are both acting scummy as well.InflatablePie wrote:
Would you like to share your story with the class?Espeonage wrote:Fake god and Brandi are on the same scum team.
It just irks me when people say "THE RVS IS DONE RIGHT NOW NO EXCEPTIONS" and such. Even if it's not exactly in that tone. I agree that most of us are starting to come out of RVS since we have a wagon is forming, but I think that the RVS usually ends at a different point for everyone.DocPotter wrote:Pie, it probably ended when people started getting serious about the responses as is the way.
I have a general idea of where Brandi was coming from in Post 20/ISO 1, but I think Anti may have been genuinely just trying to start discussion. I don't find anything about that scummy at the moment.
Not sure if Anti's temper/defensiveness is scummy or not yet.
Is this your RVS vote or do you have something for show-and-tell, too? I can't tell.Fugitive wrote:Vote: FakeGod
100% scum - I guarantee it.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Uh... yeah. o_OInflatablePie wrote:since we have a wagon is formingIf you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Is it theFugitive wrote:I don't like your play either, Pie. You're second on my scum list.scars?new avatar? I'm thinking of changing mine every game or so...
@Anti: So, continue your scumhunting. What do you draw from my response to your question?If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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It's a Pikachu. o_oFugitive wrote:That was posted before your new avatar. Like my new one btw? In the spirit of this game.
It's your over eagerness to seem helpful and question people while posting no real content and contributing hardly anything. My vote still stands on FakeGod, though.
I don't see a reason as of yet to remove my vote from Parama and I pointed out my thoughts on things that caught my eye in Post Subject 60. My main two points are that Espeon's early buddy-theory is using odd logic unless I misunderstood him and Anti (while defensive) seemed like he was genuinely trying to start discussion.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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I enjoy playing with people I know because generally (and in this case), the people I know are fun to play with. Not only that, but it makes scumhunting a lot easier if you know how everyone plays. Of course, good players know how to change their playstyle, so I guess that point is moot.Antiximo wrote:
Nothing as of yet. However like i was asking before, why would you rather play with people you know than people you don't?InflatablePie wrote:@Anti: So, continue your scumhunting. What do you draw from my response to your question?
Playing with new players isn't a bad thing, though, since it opens you up to new playstyles and such.
@Brandi: Playing devil's advocate here, Parama has a bit of an ego, which explains the "air of authority" thing.
However, his general tone and defensiveness so far, plus the slight buddying towards Espeon/Fate isn't something I have seen much from Town Parama iirc. The main reason for my vote was a combination of gut and his meta comment (see: DocPotter's response to that, except I'm serious).
If Parama DOES get lynched and flips scum, I'd also like to take a look at Espeon - he calls FG/Brandi scum after Brandi attacked Parama and FG voted Parama, plus Parama's post calling Espeon town early on.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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...Fugi never made a post about loving me...
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Zang, you don't have ANY thoughts on the day so far?If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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ANSWER MEEEEEEEEEEZang wrote:
ok, I just don't see how you can get a town vine from five letters.Parama wrote:Yup.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Maybe I was wrong with my mostly-gut-read. It's entirely possible that Parama/Brandi are townies who just happened to butt heads - I've seen it before. Parama does that to people.Unvote.
I'm keeping my eye on you though, Parama.
Zang isn't looking all that great. I'm going to wait for FakeGod's response as well before I cast a vote that way. However, Espeon's chainsaw-like actions that I mentioned have been bugging me.
Vote: Espeonage
I want to see where this goes.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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I got ninja'd by FakeGod. brb readingIf you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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FG does have a point with Parama's third point. I don't think I've ever seen a wagon that's mostly RVS votes actually lead to a lynch.
Not sure exactly what to make of the two arguments at this time. Still okay with my Espy vote.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Espeon, I don't think you answered my question in Post 60. Your theory requires that FG/Brandi are scum in the first place, and that is what makes them scummy, no? Circular reasoning much?
Here's what happened, like I said in 84:
InflatablePie wrote:If Parama DOES get lynched and flips scum, I'd also like to take a look at Espeon - he calls FG/Brandi scum after Brandi attacked Parama and FG voted Parama, plus Parama's post calling Espeon town early on.
Brandi attacks Parama, Espeon votes Brandi, FG votes Parama, Espeon says Brandi/FG are scum together. Er, what?
Espeonage wrote:Brandi was going overboard. Less about the attack. It was tunnelling early day 1 on the person who had a random wagon.
This may be true, but you just so happened to call out the two people with an actual case on Parama (the rest being RVS votes) and label them scum with no reasoning, almost out of nowhere. This is called a chainsaw defense. It doesn't even matter if Parama is scum at this point, even if Parama is town then it makes you look good for attacking those attacking him.
That is why I'm voting you.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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*sigh* Why am I awake when I work all day tomorrow...
Anyways.
1) I understand who voted for who and when. I'm just not seeing that you are.Espeonage wrote:Ok it was based around the timing of FakeGod's post. It came just after Brandi unvoted.
I'm not saying I'm right just that it makes alot of sense.
Add to that they were both acting scummy independantly as well and you have a bit of a fishy looking situation.
2) It doesn't make sense to me. Again, the premise of your argument seems to be, pretty much, "These two are scum and that's why FG voted Parama after Brandi unvoted, which is scummy since they're scum." That's what I get out of it.
3) Point out how they were "acting scummy independently", please. I want to hear your case on them.
I don't like your circular reasoning here. It seems like a half-assed explanation for starting the Brandiwagon and casting suspicion on what seems to be a newb-townie.
Mornin', Fate. Mind elaborating?If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Fixed.InflatablePie wrote:1) I understand who voted for who and when. I'm just not seeingwhatyou are.
If you wish, Fate. Personally, I'd prefer to hear it now. Maybe that's just me, though. *shrug*If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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What.Espeonage wrote:The fact that we were pulled out of RVS so quickly is also detrimental to the townIf you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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The problem is that at first he seemed to be assuming "these two people are scum so that's why they did this". I think that's the fallacy you're looking for.Parama wrote:Problem is that Brandi is town and FakeGod is scum so even though the logic is good there's some sort of fallacy in it that I have yet to find.
And he still hasn't addressed that, or I keep missing it. I know, he gave reasons for both of them being scummy on their own (Brandi tunneling and FG's "appealing"-thing), but the problem is Brandi is town as of now and we have bigger fish to fry than FG right now, IMO.
I had something else to say, but I'm in a rush to get to work and can't remember. This is where it would have gone.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Anti, that was a long goddamn wall of text. As such, I'm only responding to my segment for now.
I've been a bit busy with other things, hence why I'm lurking a bit for now. The people I know in this game can attest to me being more active usually and I realize this.Antiximo wrote:
This vote seems quite serious mainly because of this comment here. What does he mean by this?inflatable wrote:Hello, fellow furries. Doublevote: Parama for being the first to vote,among other things.I see quite a few familiar faces in this game.I've played with Parama before. And watched some games he's been in. One game just finished up (offsite) where he got himself modkilled on purpose - this was the main "other thing" I meant. Think I had something else, but I can't recall, tbh.
From page two, you can see InflatablePie is trying quite hard to keep conversed with everyone in the group, getting general opinions from everyone, this isn't bad at all, however i'm curious to see where he's going to go on with it.Just getting some general reads and gauging reactions.
In page 3, i see that i was right.
He was intent on keeping his vote on Parama from the get-go. However he only had one post to base off of.His meta comment seemed odd, as I've never heard that from Parama in a previous game IIRC. Then Parama/Brandi began to argue - I left my vote since I didn't see a better candidate at the time.
Interesting..
He feels different than many of the players, they feel Me and Brandi as not scummy from the get-go, and my anger/outburst gives him an 'I don't knoooow" afterthought.
He seems quite certain about our towniness. I'm not sure how to feel about this. Let's continue.I felt certain that you were genuinely trying to start discussion. Although, long-ass posts are USUALLY town and you do have some okay points from a quick skim, so you're leaning town for me as well.
...Fugi never made a post about loving me... ;_; Zang, you don't have ANY thoughts on the day so far?
cool random post of nothing, also note his reach to other playersThe relationship between me and Fugi is kind of hard to explain. As Fugi already mentioned, some of us know each other from an IRC channel/other site - let's just leave it at that. Zang's post seemed off to me, so I mentioned it.
Like I said, nothing bad, just pointing it out.
TL;DR InflatablePie - Tries hard to reach to everyone, however nothing entirely bad in this, except his scum readings seem to end after the first three pages. Then just lurks in my opinion. He feels parama is scum, however defends him to an extent after Brandi does her re-read. Interesting reaction..I felt that the "air of authority" thing was necessary to point out. Parama can act like an ass and I didn't want people to confuse this with something else.
Here's my quick take on everyone so far.
Antiximo - Leaning town due to his massive wall-o-text.
Brandi - Probably town butting heads with Parama.
broomhead - Only a two posts to go by. Not sure.
DocPotter - Only 5 posts to go by. Not sure. Leaning scum on gut.
Espeonage - Calling FG/Brandi scum in that manner doesn't sit right with me.
FakeGod - Could be scum, could be defensive-newb. Leaning towards the latter.
Fate - Kind of vague about things. Don't have a read.
Fugitive - Only a few posts to go by. Not sure.
InflatablePie - Town.
NavyCherub - Leaning town for now.
Parama - Probably town butting heads with Brandi. If either of them were to be scum, I have a feeling it'd be him. Not sold yet.
Zang - Don't know. Seems to be newbie, lurks a bit... I'll look in to him.
Right now town is looking to be Pie, Navy, Anti, Brandi for sure - if I can't name myself, add FG to the list. If I had to name 4 scum, it'd probably be Espeon, DocPotter, Zang, broom. Most of this is gut. Parama/Fate/Fugi I'm not completely sure on yet.
I have a tendency to find lurkers scummier/active posters townier. Bad mindset, I know. In addition, although I'm starting to get a grasp on everyone by now, it's hard for me to get reads in this game. Really need to hear more from the lurkers, in any case.
I'll try and look into people more over the next couple (Real Life) days. Specifically Zang and FG - those are the two in my town/scum lists that can possibly be moved in to the "not sure" category.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Anti, I would have no trouble voting for Doc (or Zang), but for right now, I believe that the lurker can wait.
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I'm still going "wat" at this:Espeonage wrote:The fact that we were pulled out of RVS so quickly is also detrimental to the townIf you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Saying "getting out of RVS so quickly is detrimental to the town" implies that getting out of RVS quickly is a very bad thing.
Unless you're just agreeing with me, in which case I read your post in a different tone so ignore this.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Espeonage wrote:I never said with certainty that Brandi and FG were scumbuddies.Espeonage wrote:Fake god and Brandi are on the same scum team.Espeonage wrote:FakeGod took his teammate's place on the wagon when it was no longer benificial for them to have her on it. They are both acting scummy as well.Espeonage wrote:Ok yes Brandi is bad. FakeGod is officially worse. I am liking my scum buddies theory.
Suffice it to say that I really wish I had two votes so I could vote Brandi and FakeGod. I will stick with Brandi for now but if someone pushes towards the tipping point I wont hesitate to tip that balance.
^Really, because you seem pretty sure in these posts...Espeonage wrote:Ok it was based around the timing of FakeGod's post. It came just after Brandi unvoted.
I'm not saying I'm right just that it makes alot of sense.
Add to that they were both acting scummy independantly as well and you have a bit of a fishy looking situation.
See, I thought that wagons that are fueled by logic and good reasoning would be better than a random wagon. I really don't get how staying in the RVS is any good. One good reason is because scum (and town alike, sometimes) can just dismiss a vote or something as "oh, this was RVS" or similar and try to get away with it. Scum can be more "free" in RVS because of this - the quicker we get out of RVS, the more discussion gets going and the more likely we are to find scum with bad/flimsy reasoning and lynch them.Espeonage wrote:Now to my comments on RVS. RVS is where non serious pressure starts to build up. Random wagons are among the best devices that can be used by town and we never got the chance to go through that phase. Brandi went a bit haywire on Parama and we were thrust out without having that slow pressure to get us going.
Concerning Zang, I have not played with him in any past games, so I wouldn't know anything about how he plays.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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...right after I start getting on your case about how you went about that and how scummy it made you look in my eyes.Espeonage wrote:That was where my suspicions were and now they aren't
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And how serious are you about the "we should lynch Zang because he's a good scum" comment? Because if that's your only reasoning, that's just silly.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Fugitive wrote:Oh hey, I can post again.
Just want to point out one quick thing. Look how quickly FakeGod jumped onto the case against Esp and sided with Pie. I know it seems a bit obvious, but he is new (right?), and new scum, from what I've seen, tend to do this. They take sides with their more experienced scum buddies and jump onto any little case presented against someone.In my experience, newb scum usually try their best not to vote for their buddies. This, I know for sure. About your theory, depending on whether scum are allowed to talk pre-D1 or not (also depending on playstyles and experience and what-have-you), usually determines if newbscum vote with their buddies or avoid doing so. Not like this really matters since I am town and I believe FG is town for the time being.
Quite frankly, the case against Esp that Pie just brought up was simply due to wording. Yes, Esp did downplay his aggression a bit, but people can change their minds. Now, I'm not by any means defending Esp, he's got a few bleeps on my scumdar, but what's being discussed right now is ridiculous.There's a difference between changing your mind, and after people start suspecting you, you do a complete 180 on your views and start to backtrack.
I'm liking my Fake-Pie scum team more and more, if not only for Fake giving Pie away. If Fake flips scum Pie has some explaining to do.Yes, I realize that if I'm wrong and FG is scum, then I'll be a prime lynch target, most likely. I do have some doubt about FG, but I'm going with my gut for now.
Lastly thing: lol@lynching someone who could be good scum.Agreed.FoS: Anti- newbie or not, a townie is a townie. You think someone is town, you don't vote them. You vote people who you think are scum. That's how this works.
Uh... what?Antiximo wrote:Also, FG, i think you should extraordinarily helpful if not any other time, now. If you are town, it will do us nothing but good.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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broom, I like that vote. If this Pokemon here wasn't backtracking, saying RVS is good and trying to speak for other people, I'd be cool with an Anti-lynch (not to be confused with No Lynch)
Speaking of which, I'm interested: what are your thoughts on Espeonage so far, broom?If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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No, Fugi.
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Fugi, when you put it like that... I can see where you're coming from. You make a very convincing case. I still want Espeon dead (especially after seeing the post that Fate caught that I forgot about), but I think you've convinced me that a FG lynch may not be a bad alternative...
The only other comment I have is that throwing suspicion on people that attack you is a newb tell, IMO. I've seen both newb scum and newb town both do this.
However, the fact that FG isn't offering any real suspicions (that I've seen) and just defends himself with some minor AtE and deflection is starting to piss me off a bit, because he's not helping the town at all by doing this. I'm actually starting to reconsider my stance on FG.
FakeGod, I want your top suspects with reasoning to support your suspicions, ASAP.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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I can agree with this. Any of these lynches would be okay. But Espe really needs to get in here and start talking.Parama wrote:My Espe vote isn't moving until he responds, maybe not even then if his responses suck. But srsly... FG, Espe, Zang, all need to die.
The FG/Fugi thing is just confusing me. @_@If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Too lazy to quote, cut, paste, delete, paste, etc.Fugitive [color=darkred]+ Pie[/color] wrote:As far as I can tell, no on has presented a compelling case on Esp.Hi.The only thing I've heard is about inconsistencies, and possibly backtracking. Inconsistencies =/= scum-tells. I mean, sometimes they do, but I'm not convinced the inconsistencies that Esp has been "caught" under are scum-tells.Difference between inconsistencies and backtracking. When someone gets on another's case for doing something and they instantly change their mind afterwards, that is scummy for me. This is after he says the RVS is good for the town. Also, the thing about speaking for Fate PLUS Espeon said he'd wanted a Zang lynch earlier.Being absent from posting is not a scum-tell either, which seems to have prompted a few votes on Esp.I agree. However, more votes won't hurt since A) I think he's scum anyways and B) more pressure in case he is actually lurking.I suppose "likely town" is a bit of an exaggeration, but with someone like FG playing, I know who I prefer the lynch on.What would you do if FG flipped town and Espeon flipped scum?If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Well, FG or Espeon can go today, then. The other tomorrow, maybe, depending on the flip, NK etc. etc.
FG, I called Espeon out about his chainsaw-like attitude regarding you/Brandi. You then mentioned his inconsistency, but as I built a case on other points, you began to latch on to a lot of what I've said.
Newbie town might actually be newbie scum after all.HoS: FakeGod- I'd vote for you now, but I believe Espeon needs pressure until he starts explaining himself.
It's been over three days since his last post apparently, soMods: Prod Espeonage?(thanks).
How about for now, Fugi jumps on the Espeon wagon and in return I'll fully support the FG lynch once this scum's taken care of. Sound good to you, Fuji?If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Also, quick thought/theory: when Espeon flips scum, it's either Brandi/Fugitive or FakeGod for other scum.
If he somehow flips town, I'd say FG is still a possibility. And I'd want to look at DocPotter as well.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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No, you said you were speaking for Fate. And said you wouldn't advocate a Zang lynch - "that was Fate's ideal". And now you're saying you were agreeing with Fate?
... I like my vote.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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233:Espeonage wrote:I never said who i was speaking for I just stated the reason I saw. I did say that I agreed with Fate on that point and i ended up providing my explaination.
You agree that he is acceptable D1 lynch material.Espeonage wrote:
From my small experience with Zang. I agree.Fate wrote:Zang is ALWAYS acceptable D1 lynch material. Doesn't make him any more likely scum though...
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Anti asks Fate a question.Antiximo wrote:Yo fate, get your ass here and tell me why zang is usually a good lynch d1.
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You answer it, for Fate.Espeonage wrote:Because Zang is a very good scum.
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You say you don't want a Zang lynch and you tell us what Fate was thinking, rather than letting Fate answer the question.Espeonage wrote:I never said I was advocating a Zang lynch. I was merely giving an explaination to Anti. That is Fate's ideal. Not mine.
So you're hinting that you think Zang is scum, but at the same time saying you don't want him lynched. I don't like that. It looks like you're trying to be on both sides here, so you can back up either side later on.
I don't mind your vote on DP, but it's not making you look better.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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There's a Penis of Suspicion.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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You're making my head hurt trying to explain things.Espeonage wrote:No i am not hinting that Zang is scum i was making comment o n Meta.
And yes I provided my reasoning. Mine. Do you see Fate's name onm that post? No you see mine. He wanted an explaination so I gave mine. I didn't say i was providing the answer Fate was going to give. I gave the answer I thought for the interim. I didn't expect fate to end up not even answering in the end.
Person A asks Person B if they like Fritos, Tab and Mountain Dew.
Person C replies immediately, "Yes."
It's similar to that in the context it was in.
So, you don't think that Zang is scum?
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He said one thing and is now trying to change what he said or meant. If you look in the context this situation was in, it appeared very much like Espeon was speaking for Fate. Also this.Fugitive wrote:Pie. Why is Espeon's inconsistency over the Fate/Zang thing ground for a lynch, in your eyes? Even if he were to admit his inconsistency.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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I've generally found that people speaking for others tends to be an action taken by scum. It's similar to heavily defending another player or something of the sort.Fugitive wrote:No no, Pie. Okay, why does the fact that Espeon speaking for fate mean that he's scum? The thing you linked is Fate saying basically what you said. I can pose this to him too. Why does it make him scum to contradict himself?
Contradictions and backtracking is scum-like because scum have more motivation to do so than town. Town augment their arguments, while scum and anti-town are more likely to contradict themselves. It's one of Mastin's Insane Tells (wiki it) and I've found it to be generally true.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Okay. Would you support a Zang lynch, then?Espeonage wrote:No i don't think Zang is scum.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Speaking of Insane Tells, this whole life wager thing is stupid, IMO.
Interested to see what happens if FG flips town though...If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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I know. It says it at the top of the article.Fugitive wrote:
You realize they're called "insane" tells because most people regard them as worthless.InflatablePie wrote:It's one of Mastin's Insane Tells (wiki it) and I've found it to be generally true.
But 2, 2.5 and 3 are usually true, IMO. 5 is true about... 60%(?) of the time, and 5.5 is worthless half the time anyways.
1 is the only real "insane" one that I've seen.
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So, you've changed your mind on the policy lynch idea you posed earlier?Espeonage wrote:
Currently, No.InflatablePie wrote:
Okay. Would you support a Zang lynch, then?Espeonage wrote:No i don't think Zang is scum.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Shh, Fugi. It's bad enough I had to bring up the tell - don't ruin my plan.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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ISO 14/Post 212:Espeonage wrote:When did I say I wanted a policy lynch? I said that it could potentialy be a good idea but I wouldn't follow that while there are people who actually have done scummy things.Espeonage wrote:Zang isn't a noob. I would probably policy lynch him on the fact that his only tell while scum that I saw was my gut feeling.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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To clear something up, since someone seems to ask every game:
ISO means to look at in isolation, IIRC.
Click the 'Display posts from previous [All Posts] by[All Users[Oldest First] box at the bottom of the page to scroll through everyone who has posted in the topic so far. You can view just their posts. ex. - Espeon's ISO 14 is his 14th (actually 15th) post in the thread.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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You HAVE voted for Zang. Your first post:
Other than the posts I brought up in my arguments against you (policy lynching, Zang being a good scum), I don't think you've mentioned Zang much.Espeonage wrote:OMGUSVote: Zang
Calm down, Esp. Maybe hum a little bit of "I Feel Pretty"?If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Also, if you could list your suspicions at the moment, I'd enjoy that.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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And Fugi puts Espeon at L-1, I believe.
FG may be starting to seem more townie with the gamble idea, but it doesn't affect my view of Fugi positively or negatively, for reasons that I'll disclose at a later time.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Is that a serious claim, Espeon?If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Not sure if I buy it, but I don't think lynching a doc claim right now is the best idea anyways.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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@Fugi: Weak doctors, IIRC, die when they protect mafia roles. So they can double as either a protection or investigative role.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Even if Espeon IS left alive another night, that's pure WIFOM. We're not lynching the doc claim today regardless.FoS: broom- that plus the attitude of your posts is giving me weird vibes.
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Let's go with my other option.
DocPotter. Do you have any suspicions? Any comments on Espeon's claim? Any game content at all?If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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I think you overreacting. All esp was doing was explaining why he agreed with fate. I don't know how you can get that he thinks I'm scum from that.InflatablePie wrote:You say you don't want a Zang lynch and you tell us what Fate was thinking, rather than letting Fate answer the question.
So you're hinting that you think Zang is scum, but at the same time saying you don't want him lynched. I don't like that. It looks like you're trying to be on both sides here, so you can back up either side later on.
I don't mind your vote on DP, but it's not making you look better.
Have you seen him say I was scum anywhere?
Aside from the comments on policy lynching and you "being a good scum", he hasn't mentioned you I don't think. But that's why I said hinting and not saying. He's said he wouldn't mind your lynch (or would possibly policy lynch you) and has said that you're good scum player. Sounded like he was hinting or at least setting something up for a reason to vote you later. That's what it seemed like to me.
That vote was in RVS, it shouldn't count toward if esp has voted for me.InflatablePie wrote:You HAVE voted for Zang. Your first post:
Other than the posts I brought up in my arguments against you (policy lynching, Zang being a good scum), I don't think you've mentioned Zang much.Espeonage wrote:OMGUSVote: Zang
Calm down, Esp. Maybe hum a little bit of "I Feel Pretty"?
Am I taking it as a serious vote? No. Does it still count as a vote? Yes.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Be back in a few hours.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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@"pointless question" - Because I wanted to see his response. Something like that. Yeah, in hindsight, I'm an idiot.
@"evil plot" - It's not an evil plot. It's a plan. You'll see, in due time - if things play out like I expect them to. Which they probably won't. I'll explain when the time is right.
Most of your arguments seem solid for now, but I admit I kind of skimmed through after a bit. I don't feel like taking that whole wall apart right now.
Personally, I have a neutral read on Fugi moreso than a scumread. I haven't seen Fugi make himself scummy on purpose before (iirc), but that doesn't tell me anything either. I'm okay with broom/Zang lynches at the moment, too.
The only thing I find weird is that you were kind of active towards the beginning, Parama, but kind of dissapeared for a bit. I was gonna bring this up, but then you posted. I understand real life gets in the way, but this seems a bit odd so I'm noting it here. Glad to see you at least caught up on providing content.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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If broom flips scum then Fate was just bussing.Fate wrote:People need to start suspecting me more or I'll be NKd at this rate.
Happy, Fate?If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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WE ARE NOT STARTING THIS ALL-CAPS THING AGAIN.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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In all honesty Fate, I don't know what to make of you. You seem to give slightly vague answers or responses with your votes. Most of them being semi-jokes like saying you're buddying with someone.
Aside from quoting Espeon (your ISO 12), I haven't seen you make an actual "case" on anyone you've voted for. And your only other serious post seems to be concerning Esp claiming Weak Doc.
Then again, your playstyle is reminding me a bit of the last game I was in that you were in (were we alive at the same time? Don't remember.). Maybe that's why I haven't thought of you as scum yet.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Being that I replaced in, it's entirely possible we weren't. >_>Fate wrote:
Unless it was a night start game, yes we were alive at the same time at one point.were we alive at the same time? Don't remember.
And I like Blueberry or Cherry better, myself.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Yep.Fugitive wrote:Pie, I don't believe this game has had any replacements. Unless you're talking about a different game...
Haven't tried Key Lime, Cheesecake is okay depending on where it's made, Pumpkin is disgusting.
FoS Brandi for finding Cherry Pie "incredibly gross". >:(If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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