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Vi: Is there anybody that you have trouble getting a read on at this point of the game?
Hohum: If you call me Ed, will you shoot yourself in the face for me?
DDD: Do you feel bad about Friends and Enemies?
xRx: *sigh* Why?
Sotty: MN power woohoo! Are you town?
Zach: More MN Power! Regardless of my intent to vote you, what's the most compelling thing to happen on day 1 in your eyes?
Percy: Don't turn into a cult.
And I think that's everyone. Continuing to read.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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Ok, switch everything, Percy needs to be lynched first, flinter shouldn't, Zach second.
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Every intention of voting Percy solely based on the game up to page 8 (where I am now).
I'm so sad now though, an hour into the game and nothing from anybody...I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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Vote: Percy
Ok, so everyone on hohum look at page 9. Seriously, go back and read it. Now.
Ok, now you tell me if hohum is scum with ortolan or if Percy is attacking hohum who went after ortolan. I don't understand this wagon at all. Hopefully I'll be able to catch fully up tonight.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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@DDD: I just wanted a question to people I've played with before and that was the first one that came to mind. Link to your case on Sotty?
@Jack: Fine, look at hohum attacking Ortolan. Does that look like scum attacking a buddy?I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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lol. Well that's how I feel whenever I read any of your games. "Why do you say this, why do you do that, why are you you, why can't you be me, why aren't you dead, why are they lynching you" It's very frustrating.
What do you think of this game overall so far?I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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How about I'm still not finished catching up (have 3-4 pages left) and I'm fucking getting there. I'll explain everything when I'm caught up.
Also, I love how I'm being attacked by Percy basically blindly from what I skimmed of his attack on me. Instead of waiting and seeing if I had any points to refute he just goes right into attack mode instead of knowing that he's innocent.
I'll finish up tonight (it's still been under 24 hours with sleep and work that I've been in this game and I'm getting attacked for not being 100% into it, Jesus Christ you people!) so just have some damn patience.
Also, just to point out how stupid the "rhetoric" argument is by Percy (pretty much all I caught from him while tired, I replace into pretty much every game like that. Scum and Town; and then explain my reads while I'm done. I've gotten lynched for it once, Sotty (I believe) can attest to that as a recent example.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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Finally caught up.
For hohum, my experience with him is that he's kinda lazy and ... xRx-ish at times. (For reference: this game where hohum (in a simple code) claimed cop first post as cop; and it's also the reason that charter replaced out of this game after seeing hohum here). I've not really seen him outside of this whole playstyle so right now he just feels like an easy target for almost a policy lynch.
Moving on: I get a lot of my reads on people purely by gut; and both Zach and Percy pinged those pretty hardcore. Flinter did for a little bit, but then it seemed more of a playstyle thing for her? which is why I took her off my list in my catching up posts.
For Zach (also, I'll be editing stuff in for him as I see it, so this section is likely to be disjointed): a lot of what I saw of him early on is in his responses to Vi's questioning. Even when admitting that his is an RVS vote, he doesn't do a hell of a lot about it. This post pinged my scumdar the hardest. He got way too jumpy about a simple question it feels like.
This post and the one right after it just seems like he's trying to find any reason to vote for anybody at that point. Not many people have done *anything* at that point. DDD only had 1 post, ekiM had 2; but he picks out flinter because of what Sotty said. If you combine this with what Zach said later about him not being able to fool Sotty, this does seem like a cheesy way to try to fit into a blind spot of hers.
For Percy: It starts with both his RVS vote and continues with his first questioning post. These both look contrived. The RVS vote just doesn't read right. There's not really a way to make the statement an exclamatory one, and it just seems like he's trying to overexaggerate to help give a reason to his vote by making it look scummy. For the questioning post, if that's not the fluffiest question I've ever seen I'll eat my pitchfork. There was absolutely no "lashing out" by anybody *but* xRx; so the question is absolutely pointless for being the 34th one in the game (18th that wasn't confirmations/rules). It's busy work that couldn't even help Percy help to determine how hohum felt about anything.
--Supper time, gonna finish this when I come back so I don't lose it to timing out or anything--
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@Percy: I was more concerned about your revision post where you like saw where I was coming from, but I was still scum for it.
I don't care about where the question came from, the fact that you made it an exclamation rather than just a simple sentence or a question (both of which are more logical and more likely to be a normal reaction) is what made that post ping my gut.
For the question, wouldn't it be better just to ask for an opinion rather than "phras(ing) it pretty open-ended" that actually only left hohum one answer?I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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Oh, and btw Jahudo put me at L-2, not L-1.
Still an odd vote. I don't see hohum scum, and I know I'm not scum. I could see a possibility where I'm wrong about one of Percy/Zach and Jahudo is attacking me for pegging a scummate (and I'm more certain about Percy anyways).
Considering the wagon on hohum looks larger than it should be, Vi starting it fits right, xRx is.. well, xRx and I can see where he's coming from (hey, attacking somebody that was half-assed worked once, why not try it again?), and Jack doesn't seem like the most experienced person so would be likely to follow a Vi in this game. Percy's vote is left in the open there for that; with Jahudo sitting in the "not voting" category to see if there would be more support for any wagon and hop on that.
So from here I'll stop with Zach as I've been wrong before and a lot of people are stating a town read on him. Still a questionable in my mind but meh, not worth it right now.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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This is another post that bugs the hell outta me for Percy. I bolded the significant paragraph, and italicized the specific words that twigged my scumdar. It's such a weak way to say that somebody is town that it just looks fabricated as anything. Obviously, ortolan flipped scum and I think townies would use stronger language as they inherently trust their reads and don't have to undermine themselves in small ways like that. Compare that toPercy wrote:Regarding post restrictions: I'm not convinced it's a post restriction. I think people who are jumping on Vi anddemandingthat sheexplain herselfseem to be both (1) opportunistic and (2) paranoid.
I don't know why you concluded that it was a post restriction. Some reasoning and/or conclusions based on this stance of yours would have been nice.ortolan 109 wrote:Also, how would you have preferred I acted in response to hohum's post if you apparently found my reaction scummy?
Still, I re-read you in ISO, and I find myself with atownishread, simply because in most other cases you explain yourself well, and Ithinkit speaks to townie motivations.
I understand that. What I'm asking is why you've dismissed the case on xRx, even though it's more than just "voting for votehopping", which in and of itself you seem to suggest is "not great" and potentially "setting someone up".flinter 113 wrote:Percy: I would have voted if I thought that action made Reck more likely scum.
Townies know when they're not sure, but scum tend to undermine themselves when talking about a buddy. Heck, it allows them to bus a buddy for town cred if necessary.Vi wrote:With profound, 100% confidence unheard of before on this site... Probably.
There's also countless examples of Percy going after the easy targets. xRx early on, flinter
hohum Also, I like how hohum is scummy for overdefensiveness in that linked post, but then look at the first paragraph. Super defensive over something that's not even relevant to this game.Percy in ISO 8 wrote: I think flinter's attitude of "scumhunting leads to dead townies" and what may very well be as slip on her part regarding knowledge of zach's alignment is what is keeping my scumdar pinging like crazy, but I think xRx's fading into the background when the heat came off him is scummy as hell.
Hey.... Wait, what? You're calling yourself scum, good deal.Percy in ISO 20 wrote:Here I'll clarify each of the points I raised.
1. Overdefensiveness - You note that defensiveness isn't a scumtell, but being overdefensive is a scumtell. I concede that this isn't one of my strongest points (in that it verges on playstyle criticism), but he not only lashes out at anyone who attacks him, he's also accused every person who has ever voted for him of being scum.
Also in the linked post, he keeps with xRx, hohum and flinter as his scapegoats.
This is only odd because Percy basically gives kyle a free pass based solely on meta, but doesn't give a shit about the meta of hohum (lazy, overall) and xRx (erratic). Inconsistent stances on players for the same reason = scumz Oh, and guess who replaced kyle. Yep, that's right, it's Jahudo who voted for me after calling out PercyPercy in ISO 18 wrote:kyle lied/forgot about not playing with xRx as scum. Doubly so. However, kyle is clearly a player who lurks, says stupid things and has to be replaced in many games, as both town and scum.
Percy in ISO 20 wrote:2. Misrepresentations - Firstly, it was his branding me a lurker, and implying I was lying about my modding commitments. That jab was a misrepresentation of my play so far; it felt like he saw my "sorry I'll be on tomorrow" post and did whatever he could to twist that into an attack on me; it's the kind of non-discriminatory knee-jerk case building that screams scum to me. Secondly, his characterization of the post restriction exchange as me "going on the offensive" was really the backbone of his case against me, even though I was posting only to clarify my position, and even stated that it was a very weak tell, if anything at all. This links back to 1.
Pretty sure you all remember the latter quote; looks like a pretty clear misrepresentation to me.Percy in ISO 4 against hohum wrote:Percy wrote:Regarding post restrictions: I'm not convinced it's a post restriction. I think people who are jumping on Vi anddemandingthat sheexplain herselfseem to be both (1) opportunistic and (2) paranoid.
This is all up to page 15; and I'm shot at this point. I think I've brought up enough to illustrate my point.
For the crossposts: I've not seen hohumscum either (I don't think, I might've but it'd be over a year ago so I'm really not sure) but he's basically like this anytime I see him play. Obviously I'd support a Jahudo lynch as well, but Percy was the one that I "found" so I'd like him lynched for my own personal ego.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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Oh, forgot about this too, since I'm not particularly paying attention to Percy-scum: Read this again and see if you can see this in Percy's play anytime in .. oh, you know.. the last 2 pages:
(bolding mine)Percy wrote:Here I'll clarify each of the points I raised.
1. Overdefensiveness - You note that defensiveness isn't a scumtell, but being overdefensive is a scumtell. I concede that this isn't one of my strongest points (in that it verges on playstyle criticism),but he not only lashes out at anyone who attacks him, he's also accused every person who has ever voted for him of being scum.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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@Jahudo: And? You had a night to look for connections, or if you were going to do that; you could've made your first post in the day about connections instead of going after ekiM in 552. But I come in, attack Percy/Zach and then you vote me for connections? Riiiiiight. Cause they just popped out of nowhere.. /headdeskI'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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@Percy: I'll get to your wall probably tonight later, I just want to clarify a couple small things that I saw.
For the question: Like I pointed out, there were 18 actual posts in the "game" (so not counting confirmations/rules) when you asked if xRx was the only person "looking for someone to lash out at" when every vote *but* xRx's had a RVS feel. So, who else would be able to lash out, other than xRx? Nobody. It's a fluff question.
Also, at the end where you were questioning what I wrote down for a post on like page three, that was for my reference so I could pick up where I left off continuing my case against you.
@Sotty7, Zachrulez: Since I don't believe that there's more than 2 remaining scum (3:9 is pretty reasonable) and Percy is my top pick; Jahudo looks more like a partner to Percy after I got in and got everyone's feel for Zach. At this point I don't see anybody saying that he's scum so I'm chalking it up to me being paranoid for the moment. He's still one of the few that pinged my scumdar hard, but he's 3rd in line (which technically would make him a townie and not worth building a case on a townie).
@Zachrulez specifically:
Fucking lmao. Yep, there's a lot of Percy hate out there right now. Hohum is the only one voting for Percy, so that statement makes a TON of sense. Get over yourself. Hell, my one "supporter" is more likely to vote for Jahudo (and has) rather than my pick of Percy. So that makes Percy a lot more viable...... /coughProbably has a lot to do with the fact that a Percy lynch is a lot more viable a Zach lynch.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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You can stop right the fuck there. I haven't been around today for page 27 so from page 24 in an 11 player game but whatever (3 pages, 25 posts per page, 75 posts total). 75/11 is roughly 7 (so if everything was equal, I should have 7 posts).Zachrulez wrote:
Here Amished pretty much says that it's a null tell for him. Further, his activity has kinda sputtered out ever since he made the post where he explained the reads. (Though to be fair everyone's activity pretty much has.)
I dare you right now to count how many fucking posts I have to catch up and explain myself fully. Or for the lazy/"I don't want to change my reads" crowd *glares at Zach* including this post I have 26. I'm four times as active as the rest of you should "average" with a perfect type of posts game. You do not get to say my activity is a scumtell in the slightest.
Prove your shit or don't say it in the first place.
I'll hopefully be catching up for what I missed today this weekend, it's another one spent with the girlfriend so I will probably be doing something other than illuminating myself for perfect strangers.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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O RLY?Percy wrote:Describing me as "going after an easy target" when it comes to any of the three playerslots he mentioned (xRx, flinter, hohum) is flatly untrue. I didn't vote xRx untilafterthe wagon had disappeared, Inevervoted flinter (and in fact spent most of the day saying how I couldn't make heads or tails of her), and to call hohum an "easy target" is ridiculous.
Attacking him when he was at L-2; yep, you never went after him when there was a bandwagon around... You bringing up your vote is a clever ruse to make it look like I'm wrong, but your intention to vote him was there despite the lack of vote at the height of his bandwagon. Also, somebody who has barely 10 more posts than I do throughout the game is an easy target, I don't care what you say.Percy in ISO 2 wrote:I don't want to put xRx at L-1 yet, but I understand that early bandwagons are designed to pile on the pressure, and xRx has reacted poorly. His "Unvote whoops well are you going to kill me because if not let's forget it ever happened" is another example of that.
I'm sure you don't. I do, and that's all that matters cause it's a scumtell for you; and you're doing it.Percy wrote:Amished has accused me of being overdefensive, but I don't think that's the case.
Look at Percy attacking me in 602 saying I'm coming out all guns'a'blazing and that I have a lot of empty rhetoric when all I did was declare him scum for reasons to be explained after I caught up. This is also in reference to the "overdefensive" thing that I called him out on. I didn't even make a case at that point and he attacked me. If anybody calls that town behavior, I'll come to your house and kick a puppy over a fence that I built in your front yard.Jahudo in 645 wrote:-quote by me pointing out Percy saying lashing out at anyone who attacked the original player is a scumtell-What's this reffering to? I couldn't find anything two pages from when that quote was made, or the last two pages overall.
I know there's somewhere recently where Percy said he doesn't really put much stock in meta or some-such-nonsense...Percy in ISO 3 wrote:I don't like hohum's play so far. Sound and fury, signifying nothing, excused with belligerent "I'll pressure who I want!". I find it scummy. If he has played like this before as town, I'd appreciate a link.
@Vi: For my hohum looks town opinion: It's a combination of I see him being lazy/anti-town; but I have three other suspects that are more blatantly scummy than hohum is in my eyes. Fourth out of ten people isn't really going to be a strong read for me.
Also, I know you were modding the game at the time but if you look back at Jazzmyn's reactions to me calling her scum in Last Man Standing it's awfully similar to Percy's reactions here. No real defense, just attacks me for calling them scum without me saying much behind it. (To clarify: snake-oil = rhetoric/guns'a'blazin' is what I'm talking about)
@Zach: Not normally, but this is a fun game and when I'm relaxed and screwing around with friends I have a foul mouth. As I've played with the majority of people here, I feel relaxed around you all. Except scum, you can die in a fire (gogo VP Baltar reference ) Is there a point to your question or are you going to do something productive?
@xRx: AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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Yeah, and what other games have I had any type of long lasting relationship of sorts with like 3/4ths of the playerlist?
Get to doing something other than BS'ing with me. I have my case completed and I want Percy to hang, and Jahudo to be shot or something. The other way around wouldn't be bad but I like my ego and I stroke it while I can.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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@ekiM: Quick thought for you: Everything I'm doing (apparently) is a scumtell. Is anyone always that scummy? Especially an experienced player? Or are you tunneled and just paranoid. Back away from the game and really take a look at it; I feel Vi is the only one that's really doing this objectively at this point.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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@ekiM (post 697): It's because of early game stuff that I'm being wagoned (well, it's all Locke's doing, a lot of which happened D1). Because I bring stuff up about Percy on D1 makes it less invalid than stuff that has been brought against Locke/me from D1? I don't really think so.
As for my case against Percy: I don't really look at overall general themes of a game like that. I scumhunt by looking for things that feel off to me. If I find scum and they do something obvious (like Percy's giving kyle a free pass for replacing out because it's "kyle's meta") then I find associative tells. The fact that Percy was campaigning for a counter-wagon to Ortolan at the time sure as hell doesn't make him more likely to be town just because *I* don't mention it or catch onto it. Are you really saying that I'm more likely to be scum because I didn't bring up something on somebody I'm trying to lynch? Really start to think about your position on my entire player slot if this is why you're still voting me. There was a game that I played with Vi (that I recently referenced as well) where I caught scum in the first 3 pages due to how they worded their statements. VP and I as a hydra caught scum on page 1-2 because of how he worded an attack. Scumtells are scumtells for me, regardless of where they occur.
As for the over-defensiveness: I didn't realize calling somebody scum and voting them was "goading". "Hey, you're scum too, I should vote you!" ..... No, that is in no way a goad against a player; especially not one as experienced as Percy. How many times have you attacked somebody as town for putting you at L-4 when it's 6 to lynch without a case? I'm guessing it's somewhere around never. I didn't have a case up at that point, but what I said was "empty rhetoric" without reasoning or anything.
@Vi: My second post was largely a random post essentially stating who I've played with/have some experience with. The reason I asked you a legit question is because I have a notoriously hard time reading you as a player. If you ended up in my town category based on my other reads; then your opinion is highly useful and respected for me. If you would've turned up in a scum category; then I had a feel for who you interacted with/perhaps giving more of a free pass.
Essentially it was a starting point to say hi/start talking to people and get an in-game feel for people and get into a dialog with people where they have little time to react if I can catch them online. Having people relax and then ask them questions where they typically don't have time to really think about their responses is one of the best ways to get a feel for the alignment of a player. I was especially happy that I got xRx online so I could get more of a feel for him cause he's probably the most unreasonably random person on MS that I've had the pleasure of playing with.
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Amished ~ L-2 (ekiM, Sotty7, Zachrulez, Jahudo)
ekiM seems to be holding a long term "grudge" (not the right word but whatever) against Locke's play and is reluctant to let that go probably due to ego and thinking that he was right about Locke and then giving me credit as a good player replacing in. I can see this thought-process coming from a townie, it's just annoying for me since I know he's wrong.
I honestly have no idea why Sotty is voting for me in the first place. It was from before I replaced in so it was against Locke; but nothing really jumped out as a solid reason from her.
Zach was from Locke as well, and I think he's not switching his stance due to tunnel-blindness as well as ekiM's "Amished is a good player" or something along those lines.
Jahudo voted for me after I replaced in; and two and a half real-life days after the start of the day. I feel that he's chainsawing for Percy (possibly trying to play Percy-town as thinking he'll vote for me and put me at L-1 or something, but that's less likely in my eyes). His given reasoning is Locke's associative play to Ortolan; but with the 2.5 days that he had before I even replaced in, he could've put up a case against Locke during that time since I believe it's more beneficial to look for scum connections instead of (essentially) picking out somebody and saying "oh, they're town because of this scum!" which doesn't give credit to the scum player either since good scum attack each other anyways (which was the gist of why ekiM was cleared for Jahudo at the start of the day).
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I believe he's scum with Percy, so my vote on either of them works for me. I still want Percy to die, but I don't appear to have control over that
@xRx: Will you follow me onto different scum? *bats eyelashes*I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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@Sotty: (sorry about the missed questions here, just briefly popping in)
hohum is somebody that I like, but don't really think he puts a lot of effort into his games (the cop claim one, Vi having to take over modding one that he abandoned, there's been another one that I've been in that he's modded that he's not always been on the ball with) so I think he's an easy target. I didn't get a scum-vibe from hohum besides the apathy which I've seen in all aspects of his stay on MS from modding to playing so there's less of an expectation of him being around and/or doing a hell of a lot which is what a lot of the case against him boils down to in my eyes.
I don't find defensiveness a scumtell at all cause townies do that just as much (if not more cause they outnumber scum). However, I definitely fall into the category of thought that people find their own scumtells through time through their own experience, and if I catch somebody doing what they consider a scumtell; then *that* is a scumtell. Random example: If you found that vote hopping quickly was a scumtell and then I saw you vote hopping; I'd call you scum for it. Percy being super defensive by going on the attack before there was anything to attack or defend falls into what I feel he would classify as a scumtell; which makes that a scumtell for him from my perspective (if you can follow that).
I'm calling it a chainsaw because I believe Percy is scum that much. The vote by Jahudo looks like a weaker and panicked attempt to try to get me lynched, especially considering the timing of it. I've come into a lot of games like I have in this one and I haven't been attacked that harshly because of it pretty much ever OTOH. There's a certain backlash feeling that I get to try to throw whatever that might possibly stick to me in an attempt to try to just force something. I'm basically calling it the opposite of my experience is a town reaction. Scum don't always react like that, especially if I have something wrong but how I pushed Percy first and foremost and then got voted by Jah for something that could've come out just as easily the first post of the day for him makes it all seem too convenient.
And sorry that there's a lot of semantics; but it's strange wordings that I tend to look for to find scum. That's essentially the same thing ekiM criticized about my case against Percy as well; that I didn't see all the angles. I scumhunt my own way and put it down. It's hard to get people convinced over a gut thing; but I did my best and apparently it wasn't enough with a crowd such as this.
Though there's still that good point that I do have that you pointed out; so I'm glad that you're reevaluating the game because of it and I look forward to your thoughts on Jahudo.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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And... you had 2.5 days when Locke was still "in" the game to do your scum connections. Also, the tone that I got from your post (the connections one) was that you fully thought ekiM was scum; not that you were really questioning him.
Try again with your next excuse since that post (against ekiM) took all of one hour to put together. 2.5 days later when I replace in gives you enough time to put another one together.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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I have no idea what's been going on these last couple pages mostly cause I've skimmed to see if there's anything super important to respond to and there really isn't.
@Percy: I saw you wanted me to respond to something, where was it for expediencies sake?
@ekiM: I remember you saying that I misrepresented your position about how I feel everything I do for you is scummy. Let me phrase this a different way: what (if anything) have you given me town-cred for? I contest that the answer is "nothing" so therefore everything I do (since it's not scummy?) is a null tell? How does that work? Everything that our other replacements are doing can't be a null tell either; so why are you singling me out?
@Sotty: I think I saw you criticize me for not bringing up a point (or attacking Percy's early game or something): That's essentially the same thing Mike was saying about me, I look for things that are scumtells for me. Early game, late game, one post, whatever. I don't look at overall game states (Percy leading a competing wagon against Ortolan) nor do I forget early game shit that pings my scumdar. The feel of the post was off and that's what I look for. Even when I find my own scumtell (pegging xRx in F and E and him not getting lynched *glare*), people don't believe me about it, so I don't have the persuasiveness that I want, but I do find more scum than I'm given credit for. I hate it but this is how I find them.
Gah, there's something else that I wanted to pick up on but I can't remember what it is anymore.
In any case:
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... yup. Mod definitely hates the scum to make them not have time to make a NK. If there's an ability to shorten the night, then that player is cleared as that person would have zero scum intention to deprive their team of night-communication and/or a night kill.VP Baltar wrote:5) Nights will have a set deadline of 72 hours. Any night actions not sent in by that time will not be counted. No exceptions.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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Aren't beloved princesses normally like... named something other than a neighbor-maker?
If the case is that Ort/Cobalt had another passive-ability like that, then it's less likely that scum would buss in that situation, wouldn't it?I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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Wait a second.... Does anybody left really understand the "theme" of the game pretty much inside and out?
What I'm primarily wondering is if the scum don't even have a night-kill. Neighbor-maker would make them less likely to be pegged as scum had they lived. One person acting alone would have the time to decide to not-kill on N1; and my evidence against Percy giving kyle/jah a free pass with Jah turning scum does make sense with like a vig kill or something.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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I dunno, I just don't see xRx scum, Vi. Other than your kyle being stupid as scum and talking about xRx meta (which I can see as kyle wanting to keep his options open) what else do you got on Reck?
Oh, and /facepalm theme game, I'm sure that there'd be a fake-claim or vanilla roles sent to the scum or something anyways.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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I don't see us ringing up two scum on day 2 so that kinda confirms in my mind that hohum is just lazy.
ekiM I just reread through and I can't see anything super pro-town by him either.
I'm kinda lost at the moment cause I really thought Percy was the last scum.
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I will hammer you after Vi answers my question if you want out this bad. I hate that I think you're town though.
It'd be for the sole reason that you called me Ed all this time. And claiming cop in your first post that one game.... *grr*I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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Also, I like how xRx is deciding not to vote for hohum (for my alleged slip or what the fuck ever you want to take my comment out of context as) but isn't voting for me because of the slip and how sure he is about it.
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Zach, what do you think I'm doing?
xRx: You also need 3 mislynches to win (assuming 3-9 split) from here out (6 other players, 3 mislynches and 2 nk's leaves you in a 1:1 night endgame). Using up a single easy one now is not going to win you the game. Allowing an "easy" mislynch to go through now while not creating another one pretty much backs you into a corner where it's damn near impossible for you to win.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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Ahh, DDD. I both love that you read the game the same way that I do, but it's for that reason that I have a hard time distinguishing a playing of me or not. However; it'd be stupid to try to play me with with all the animosity. Well, that confirms it for me, I definitely agree with you about Sotty; and I don't see Zach's role being a scum role either. We can go through everybody else at this point I think.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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@DDD: All the people who have me at the top of their scumlists. Why would you choose me (if you were scum) to play when there's quite a few people that want to see me lynched within the next 2 days rather than go with all of them and have yourself a mislynch target since whoever the scum is they have to be getting pretty desperate at this point.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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Sotty: I think that hohum is town. It's gut more than anything and there's not much reasoning behind it. Therefore I'd be comfortable using a chance on him in case I'm wrong about my gut.
The latter quote does not relate to the former quote. The latter refers back to Day 2 when xRx followed me onto Jahudo for basically no reason at all.I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
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Yay, "terrible play" as an excuse for my lynch! After not seeing anything scummy pop out on a quick reread (read Vi's previous posts) and basically agreeing with both DDD and I about hohum (should get lynched one way or another but won't right now?); but still wanting me lynched essentially because of me stating that hohum should be lynched at the time.
Looks like desperate scum to me.
xRx: stop being so random.
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