899 FABLES- THE GRIMMAFIA GAME - The End. Mod Sucks.

[danakillsu]

/confirm

[danakillsu]

Blech. I hate this thread. Lots of words, not much information to be gotten from them. Anyone want to present a concise case against someone else?

[danakillsu]

Whatever. Lynch me. It looks like I walked in on a bad situation.

[danakillsu]

vote:DGB

I think ABR asked for replacement because he was scum who was afraid of losing.
@all
Time for a claim. I'm a town-aligned role who starts as a VT, but can become more. Don't ask me what "more" is, I don't know. I'm asking the town not to make a big mistake by lynching me because of my defeatist attitude. I want to be involved in this game, which means I don't like it when I immediately get a bunch of votes.

[danakillsu]

Can you tell me the secret of your reading ability?
Also, is there any reason why you are giving up?

I don't take the first question seriously. Tell me if I should. I'm only giving up if people continue to vote for me without giving much reason for it. The name of my role is Boy Blue. I don't know what that means to you, but I've never read the fables or whatever behind this game.

[danakillsu]

I believe Dan, as I have a similar role.
Now to find the next scummiest down low.

Not even close to rhyming. And I'm dana, not dan. Although thanks for calling me a male name.

[danakillsu]

"game hate" and "not wanting to read" are not a defeatist attitude. They are a dislike of the thread. This thread is not serious enough to decide what's real.

[danakillsu]

I have 5 votes, not 2. When I said a bunch of votes, that did not have to mean before I "gave up" or whatever. 2 votes caused the defeatist attitude because I already didn't like the position I was in. Now, what do you think of my claim? I want as much comment on it as possible.

[danakillsu]

I'm going to

unvote vote:MM

. It makes no sense for him to be that terrible at rhyming and to blatantly not rhyme in one post and still be a PR. Lies, I say!!! I'm not necessarily a LAL guy, but in this case, I'm leaving my vote there until he gives me a satisfactory explanation.

[danakillsu]

I am okay with either a dana or MM lynch today. Also I am still fully in support of continuing to play this game.

This is a suspicious post. It's almost like this is just so he doesn't get prodded. Also, how can you still be okay with lynching me? Do you not believe my claim?

[danakillsu]

But I wasn't mass prodded. And way to just copy off of what I said.

[danakillsu]

I'm confused. Why did that make you unvote, exactly?
@MonkeyMan
Why don't you prove your role in the way the others suggested? If you proved your role, I would take my vote off of you.

[danakillsu]

vote: play

I just got interested in this game! Don't take it away now.

[danakillsu]

Ok, I'm back after a long, busy weekend. Content to be posted shortly.

[danakillsu]

Ok, is there any reason at all that I shouldn't vote for SP?
'Cause this is getting ridiculous, and I'm starting to think I missed something that most of you got.

[danakillsu]

I'd rather do it now.

vote:SocioPath

. Who knows, maybe I'll get something cool for it.

[danakillsu]

I don't think we're in lylo, so if DoS is lying, we'll lynch him tomorrow. I'll believe him and put the pressure on Iecerint to contradict DoS's claim

vote: Iecerint

[danakillsu]

I already told you guys I didn't have any abilities N1 or N2. Dana-with-a-fakeclaim? Why do you think my claim is fake? And can anyone confirm this inability to use night actions? I don't know who to believe so I'll

unvote

[danakillsu]

Given San's indication that she wanted to do something with me D2 and the likelihood that Beauty/Kay were tied into a single role, I'd say the only thing you're making up is what San's result was.

How convenient. He's telling the truth about everything but what would mean lynching you...

[danakillsu]

Well, you're still alive, aren't you? That would seem to contradict the lovers claim.

No, you're scum who was given Beast as a fakeclaim, in the same way that SP was Geppetto given "Vulko Crow" and masonhood as a fakeclaim. Grimmy was Geppetto in the old game; he probably liked the mechanic so much that he expanded it while simultaneously reducing the number of roles in the game. The absurd Beauty-Beast-Kay-Bigby-Hakim cluster would be an obvious place to significantly reduce the number of connecting roles.

L-2 is, frankly, quite serious business, especially when several off-wagoners have openly expressed interest.

This post has convinced me until further notice that Iecerint is not the vote for today. However, I'm not 100% sure that DoS is, either. This is just plain confusing...

[danakillsu]

yeah, that's true. I wanted to take the time to make sure that I wouldn't be hammering when I

vote: DragonsofSummer

[danakillsu]

Icerink, you may hammer that scum at your earliest convenience. It's a no-brainer.

ummmm....
aren't you the one that needs to hammer?

[danakillsu]

vote: Iecerint

for obvious reasons.

[danakillsu]

Yes. Last page. Iecerint accused DoS falsely, causing his lynch. We get rid of Iecerint, we win. End of story.

[danakillsu]

But more importantly, I have rolebased reasons to believe Icerink is town.

PLEASE explain these. I know it's not necessarily a fair thing to ask, but it is VITAL.

unvote

[danakillsu]

And it would be hilarious if Ellibereth was scum.

[danakillsu]

Elli is only scum (as in SP's-team-scum) if either Lumi or Rodney got fire-breathing powers or a free fireball-flavored daykill. We know this because of the flavor involved in Mina's death. I think that's pretty improbable both for flavor reasons (Lumi is the Snow Queen /=/ fireballs, Rodney isn't a magician) and for setup reasons (scum had at least 2 members to start, plus (presumably) Baba Yaga if Mina hadn't died, plus recruits starting D2 pending a lucky target N0). It's possible that he's some kind of fire-oriented alternate scumcharacter, but it doesn't seem like Grimmy included any other new roles in the game, and bussing SP like that would nonetheless have been a unnecessary waste given SP's conversion abilities.

I'm not sure I really buy this (partially because I'm confused about what it means). But this is all really weird. I'm confirmed town (because of my roleclaim before the finding of the old thread and becuase the role I claimed hasn't turned up yet). DGB refused to hammer Iecerint. Iecerint tries to clear Ellibereth. So if I'm town, then what we have here is that DGB is either realllllly smart scum or not scum, Iecerint is either reallllly smart scum or not scum, which leaves Ellibereth. I'm surer now than ever that Ellibereth is our man.

vote:Ellibereth

[danakillsu]

Iecerint, explaint that again? How does that make Ellibereth scum?

I think he's saying Iecerint ISN'T scum. That's what confuses me.

[danakillsu]

I think he's saying Iecerint ISN'T scum. That's what confuses me.

Crap. EBWOP: I think Iecerint is saying Elli ISN'T scum.

[danakillsu]

Alright. I can't post anymore until Monday afternoon, but I will say this. It makes NO sense for me to be scum. I have gained abilities as Boy Blue, which I will describe Monday. Town would be VERY stupid to lynch me before then.

[danakillsu]

Don't tell me DGB just hammered. If she did, she's really stupid for saying that I scum-slipped. Just because I said town would be stupid to lynch me doesn't mean I'm scum, and I don't know how you arrive at that conclusion. My ability as Boy Blue involves a Magic Cape that gives me three options. None of these options are particularly important at this point in the game, as far as I know, but they are:
Teleport someone to another location
Make myself unlynchable and unkillable for one day-night. (This one comes with a big drawback of not being able to vote the next day)
Make it harder for everyone to lynch me.
I chose option 3.
However....
It appears that maybe he took the drawback from option 2 and applied it to me, making my vote not count. Perhaps I misunderstood the PM. I will PM the mod to ask about that. It appears that Iecerint-scum may have just won. If not,

unvote vote: Iecerint

[danakillsu]

Okay, so then it's true that Iecerint's vote was the one not counting. I thought he was lying and it actually was mine because that was the drawback for at least one option of my power. Why does it matter if I tell everyone what my abilities are? They can't help me and they might give me some credibility. Alright, so the only person we are actually able to lynch today is Iecerint, it appears. The plus side of doing so would be that we at least have a chance of ending the game. If he's not scum, though, it means town loses. If we no lynch, we can lynch anyone we want tomorrow, but D.G.B will probably be dead (since scum would want to keep me around as a "scummy" town member). Sounds like not lynching anyone might be a good idea. I'll

unvote

anyway. One misgiving I have, however, is that it says "Final Day". So if we no lynch, does that mean town loses? Thoughts?

[danakillsu]

No, that's all wrong. I proved to be town long ago. If scum had fakeclaims, why didn't the other scum use them? Since it's the final day, and you can't lynch me, we have no choice. We must lynch Iecerint. If he's scum, we win, and if he's not, we lose. Either way, it's the final day. It certainly can't be a town win if noone is lynched on the final day.

vote: Iecerint

[danakillsu]

Or I'm too dumb to think of a reason for it being such.

HOW ABOUT THE THREAD TITLE!!!!!!!!
It's a moot point, actually, whether I'm scum. We HAVE to lynch Iecerint, because it's the last day. I didn't really follow the old game at all, so I didn't know about that whole thing. My argument definitely fell apart there, but I certainly don't see any particular REASON to believe me to be scum, even if I can't prove myself to actually be Boy Blue. Wasn't there a Boy Blue in the old game, though? And the real one hasn't counter-claimed.

[danakillsu]

Blech, that's all above my head. How does a teleportation ablility fit with an apparent busdrive, and what is that apparent busdrive? You do realize I just got that ability, right? I think we should trust the mod on this one and assume that this is the Final Day. That can only mean we need to lynch scum and win or not lynch scum and lose. Since Iecerint is the only one we can lynch, let's do so and see if he's scum. It's our only hope, unless this is some huge error, which I leave to Grimmy to point out.

Grimmy: Is it definitely the final day, or was that a mistake?

[danakillsu]

Otherwise, a scum victory is guaranteed regardless of the outcome today, and today wouldn't be happening.

You know what. Your idea here is right. If we can't lynch scum today, and it makes us lose to not lynch scum, then we lose. So that means that we CAN lynch scum today. And you're the only one we can lynch. End of story. You thought of the whole fakeclaim thing because YOU were given a fakeclaim.

[danakillsu]

Also, you are totally ignoring the sundry other explanations for "The Final Day Begins," not the least of which are the ones I listed. Beyond that, knowing all of the actions by that time, do you think it's plausible that Grimmy would basically hand us the game if he meant the title the way you seem to imply?

I'm going to wait and see what he says.

You expect us to believe that Grimmy gave you an ability "to teleport someone" without telling you what teleporting someone would entail, especially given that your other abilities are so powerful?

He told me what it would entail. I'll describe it shortly, even though that's supposedly a "scumtell" [/eye-roll right back to you]

[danakillsu]

I think (although the wording is VERY confusing) that it means I can put someone in a different place, making them safer, but it has a possibility of leading to something bad for that person. I believe I also have the option of redirecting someone's night action to a different target, althought that target could be me.

[danakillsu]

So, basically, either you are not reading your PM very well, Grimmy is bad at English, or you are basically a busdriver redirector (even though busdriving would appear to fit "teleportation" flavor better IMO)?

I guess that states it fairly well.

[danakillsu]

Yeah, Iecerint and I can't both be scum. That really wouldn't work for a lot of reasons. I think there can only be one scum.

@ Ellibereth and DGB
First of all, in what way have I not fullclaimed?
Second, how could I have come up with what teleporting does that quickly if I was BSing you?
Finally, what reasons would you have for not lynching the only lynchable person today?

[danakillsu]

I am Boy Blue. I gained abilities because two other members of the town (who were above me in "rank") died. This gave me abilities that they may or may not have previously had. I have already described these abilities.

[danakillsu]

Beauty and Beast were the ones that died giving me the abilities I have. I don't have time right now to restate the abilities, but I gave them on the last page. See you tommorrow afternoon.

[danakillsu]

(EBWOP: He picked those names because any other characters would have departed from his prior claims about not having prior been activated and/or his claim that he was activated last night.)

That's just a convenient way of looking at it for you. Instead of just accepting that I picked the names that make sense because they're in my PM, you assume that I picked the names that make sense for a fakeclaim. Once again, I had less than a minute to come up with those names. How the $*%# did I come up with those names in less than a minute if I was fakeclaiming. These desperate, meaningless accusations are why I think we should lynch you and not just no lynch.

mod: Could you at least tell me if you're going to answer my question about the thread title?

[danakillsu]

Alright. So, he means that if we lynch Iecerint, it's the final day, and if we don't, it's not. Well, that does kind of spoil a major part of my case for voting Iecerint, but I really don't know what to do at this point.
@DGB and Ellibereth
First of all, did you ever tell me why you actually think I'm scum? Please give me your full case at once.
Secondly, let's say you're in the position I claim to be in.
You are town. You have some abilities that may or may not be useful. If you don't lynch anyone today, and then there is a night kill, the other players will lynch you tomorrow. Then the scum will win because there is only one townie left. What would you do?
In other words, I'm in this position. I can hope you help me lynch Iecerint and hope that he's scum. Or I can not vote for him, no lynch, and get lynched tomorrow, making town lose. wth am I supposed to do? I really can't NOT vote for Iecerint. His death is town's only hope from my perspective.

[danakillsu]

We know this on the basis of his "teleportation" claim (which later morphed into a redirector claim and then into a "PM is unclear" claim).

Could you show me this "transformation"? I don't believe that my claim ever changed, it just got more specific.

2. From my perspective, it's clear that "Beauty and Beast" aren't in your PM because you 100% have to be Lumi -- even if there are other scum, recruited or otherwise (unless Lumi is disguised as Bigby and part of the "bonus" for my finding him is that someone is falsely confirmed-ish -- super remote). From there, it's a matter of showing why you chose the players you chose, and it's clear why.

What is the point of this? It can't prove I'm scum, because it assumes I'm scum.

3. It's also telling that you don't protest that there is no flavor connection between the players. (Rather, you dubiously assert that your having come up with the names quickly makes your claim unimpeachable.) My PM had flavor regarding Bigby. Other PMs appear to have had flavor connections. It would appear odd that yours is an exception.

Please expand on this. I don't know exactly what you mean. What about a flavor connection?

4. Your most recent post is still more weird. You're asking forgiveness for voting me? Why?

NO. I'm not asking for forgiveness, but advice.

[danakillsu]

with a half dozen other fakeclaim inconsistencies

And these are? I don't believe there are ANY inconsistencies in my claim. You are obvious scum now. You keep "proving" that I must be scum because you might be able to get DGB and Elli to team up against me. In reality all you are doing is desperately reiterating your same assumption that I am scum. SHOW ME SOME PROOF OR LAY DOWN AND DIE, SCUM!

[danakillsu]

Well if that's real, then you just did something really stupid. I was afraid the other town members would lose this one for me. Curses if I was right about Iecerint. More curses if it was actually DGB. (You may consider this a "bah" post)
P.S.
I like sheep.

[danakillsu]

and nice slip in indicating that you had to "come up with" them.

You're kidding, right? "Come up with" doesn't mean that I made them up, but let's just pretend I said "make up".
It still wouldn't mean that I actually did make them up, it would mean that I would have only had a certain amount of time to do so.

his abilities were based on using artifacts.

As are mine, which proves I'm him.

My ability as Boy Blue involves a Magic Cape that gives me three options

This Magic Cape is called the Witching Cloak, which I suppose I neglected to mention before. Does that mean anything to you?

[danakillsu]

sorry. I had a huge post, but it failed to make it on here, so I'll have to redo it.

[danakillsu]

well, suffice it to say I haven't looked earlier in this game or in the old game to find these facts. They are all coming from my PM. I can't believe that Iecerint managed to get me killed without ever bringing up a single valid point.

[danakillsu]

The problem is, I don't know any of what's going on with the whole story background or Beauty and the Beast, or any of that stuff. I just know what was in my PM, I told it to you guys, and you didn't believe it. Whatever. That just makes you guys terrible judges, and Iecerint a good twister of words.

[danakillsu]

dana, DGB, and GK, are all def town.

WAIT! What's this? I discovered this little piece from Elli earlier in the game!

For your low activity after being confirmed?

It was during a weekend.

For your approach to DoS's wagon D3 and/or Elli's wagon D4?

I was very confused at that point in the game.

But when I look back.... Ellibereth called me town. But he just tried to get me lynched. He also had huge connections to Geppetto. Could this mean he's scum? And how does he still have abilities, I thought he used them all.

[danakillsu]

Bad ellibereth. Bad!

[danakillsu]

The first night I had my abilities, I made myself harder to lynch. The last night, I tried to teleport Ellibereth in order to keep him safe.