Mini 933: LRCM - Broken, restart running in new thread

[UncertainKitten]

Umu...you guys are scary!

I...I'll confirm if Kai gives me a restraining order on DT of at least 3 posts.

Sorry, my juristiction only allows restraining orders of at maximum 2 posts. That good enough for you?

[UncertainKitten]

No, it just means all of your posts have to be three away from mine. Well, at least three posts after mine. Since before mine would be rather bitchy since I could set it up like I just did here to get you in trouble .

[UncertainKitten]

That would be an amazingly annoying PR.

And she runs the kinds of games that would take advantage of both using the PR, and abusing it as she stated.

All you are doing is giving her ideas. ;D

Sadly, before he even said anything this was the first thing I though. I totally want to put a "Restraining order'd townie" in a game now. I'd need to figure out what precisely the mechanics and the role itself would be. Probably a tracker or something.

[UncertainKitten]

I could make this work, actually.

[UncertainKitten]

Yeah, that's probably how I'd run it. I'd have to see how it would work. Losing role abilities WOULD be a penalty for breaking PR, but probably on the third strike instead of the second.

[UncertainKitten]

I'd have to think a lot about it. Might be fun to run sometime.

[UncertainKitten]

You know what Kai? Just put my vote on the votecount. We already know I'm voting you, I see no reason to waste any BBcode tags on it.

I trust you to do the right thing.

But that would be breaking protocol. . . aw hell, sure.

And my favorite role is vig as well. I'm going to have to eliminate you before the game is over, aren't I Miles?

[UncertainKitten]

I'm pretty sure all votes count. We'll see a strange vote for "ScumRoboto". I wonder if it counts against DiscoRoboto.

Also, DT, you better keep three posts away from me or I'm calling the cops.

As the resident authority in this thread, I cannot enforce anything above 2 posts. See my last edit on the matter.

[UncertainKitten]

I NEED AN ADULT! POLICIA! POLICIA!

[UncertainKitten]

Unvote, Vote EdFrost

Scumtell.

[UncertainKitten]

No, EdFrost has committed an experimental scumtell. Still working on whether it actually holds true but it's a good place to start. Which is unusual as I usually don't do a serious vote until page 6 or 7. Interesting.

[UncertainKitten]

Actually, looking at it,

FoS: Nikanor

as well.

[UncertainKitten]

If, purely in the interest of saving your time, I were to tell you that I am town and that your experimental scumtell is therefore false, thus saving you the time and effort of having to test it thoroughly, would you believe me?
I'm just curious.

Show me you are town through your actions. So far I have you on the scummy end of my radar. If you post with genuine townie intent (because you are indeed a townie), i'll eventually get off you and move to the real scum. If you ARE scum, however, well, first I'll be happy to have another point in favor of my theory, and I doubt you'll convince me you aren't scum.

So, good luck ^-^.

Miss Kitten, I think I missed something. Sad
The whole thing makes me confuzzled.. my brain hurts Crying or Very sad

With enough luck you'll figure it out.

[UncertainKitten]

Also, your post looks to me like you are using 'guilty until proven innocent' logic. Is this correct? What is your stance on such logic?

Actually, I assume town for most people. It's just that what I saw from you and Ed was scummy. So you two got started as scum having to prove your innocence. It really is rather different.

MY stance is that it is the best logic.

And since I use it, everyone else should as well.

Too bad I mostly disagree SP. It's easier to get scum when you work WITH the town, not against it.

[UncertainKitten]

Magic.

[UncertainKitten]

Magic.

LIES!

What, are you Battler?

You are inc-

HEY! WAIT! W-WHY AM I BEING MODKILLED!? DAMMIT MODS >=[!

[UncertainKitten]

I trust myself to figure it out as the game goes on. By starting cooperative, people's tongues are looser and not tunneled. At least that's my take.

[UncertainKitten]

Is your 'experimental' scum tell about [insert ongoing game here]? If so, that's blegh. I'm intending to vote the mafia group in every game like this regardless of alignment. Plus, that's only one game.

are to tell what your scumtell is, or do you want to keep your super powerful scumhunting techniques a secret?

I can't get into it for the time being. As I said, just play normally. If you are town, there's nothing to worry about.

Do you want me to be Battler, Miss Kitty?
Alternatively, I could be anyone from Higurashi if you want me to run around shouting USODA!!!!!

And why didn't you sign up for Umineko mafia?

[UncertainKitten]

My approach is the opposite. I check their interactions with everyone. When I'm tunnelled on I get a lot less information. Ah well.

[UncertainKitten]

Do you want me to be Battler, Miss Kitty?
Alternatively, I could be anyone from Higurashi if you want me to run around shouting USODA!!!!!

And why didn't you sign up for Umineko mafia?

Because I'm stupid Miss Kitty
I need batteries to get going... or a good smack in the face.

You can always PM me about replacement options. I'm getting the impression I might need one or two in the game in about 24 hours.

[UncertainKitten]

Do you want me to be Battler, Miss Kitty?
Alternatively, I could be anyone from Higurashi if you want me to run around shouting USODA!!!!!

And why didn't you sign up for Umineko mafia?

SCUMSLIP! :O

There WAS no real 'sign up' for that game.
It was filled due to pre/ins!

Which makes it a lot harder to sign up for.
I SHOULD KNOW. >;O

You wanted /in? Hell, just PM me about replacement options as well. I like having a stock since I'm pretty sure two of my players flaked. But I'm not certain.

[UncertainKitten]

Aww, Miles is cute. Can we make sure he lives through D1 at least?

[UncertainKitten]

You wanted /in? Hell, just PM me about replacement options as well. I like having a stock since I'm pretty sure two of my players flaked. But I'm not certain.

I'm generally not one to pre/in or replace.
NOT MY STYLE.

The only game I've ever replaced into was one where the mod PM'd me themselves.

Although I missed out on a recent Tar game for the same reasons.

You can just pre/in me for any game either of you two run ever though.

I'll keep that in mind. If I need you'll I'll see about PMing you to replace as well .

Does that mean I'm not cute...? Sad Here I was thinking of trying to take over the town with my cuteness, and some little guy one ups me!

It's the guy with the beard that's lowering your cuteness.

RayFrost's moé is not sufficient to overcome the BEARD!

[UncertainKitten]

I'd hydra with amished IYKWIM

[UncertainKitten]

I'm a girl. I'm supposed to be attracted to rugged six pack abs, beards, and MANLINESS.

Cept I'm not but we'll pretend I am for the sake of the joke.

[UncertainKitten]

Rope is important, yes.

Dear god I feel sorry for us when we have to reread this game. Especially the ISOs.

[UncertainKitten]

Yeah, you can't trust dead people. They suck >=[

[UncertainKitten]

I wouldn't give me too much credit, Ed. I've only found one thing to comment on so far. Technically two since two players did it but yeah.

Miles being cute isn't exactly a scumtell to me. If he remains trying to be cutesy when serious business occurs, I'll reassess his case.

[UncertainKitten]

Post 144 is the scummiest thing I've seen in this game so far.

You noticed? I was just gonna let it simmer to fall into a wall of text later.

[UncertainKitten]

Post 144 is the scummiest thing I've seen in this game so far.

You noticed? I was just gonna let it simmer to fall into a wall of text later.

I was just going to not point out specifics and let the general statement of mine to simmer to later be questioned and then explained in excruciating detail for those that were unaware.

Nyeh, I see the same thing you do I think, I just feel like being mysterious ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

Nah. It's easier to watch them dig their own hole as they talk. I have no questions in particular.

"thing"?
I see at least 3 things wrong with that picture, likely 4, possibly 5 depending on semantics.

thing was meant to be non specific. I'm sure if I looked closer I'd find multiple things too. But don't forget that EdFrost is a hydra, so some things might not be as scummy.

[UncertainKitten]

I mostly agree with Miles but I'm still more likely to forgive inconsistencies if they aren't scummy.

[UncertainKitten]

I have no questions. Nothing needs to be elucidated so far. There are some pretty flat scummy actions occuring is all.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, until then I think you're both full of it and until you either bother to progress the game through either a) voting your apparent suspicions or b) talking about your apparent suspicions I'll be frustrated as hell with both of you for just stagnating the game.

I'm voting my suspicion right now. At least one reasoning has to remain secret for the time being. The other I will reveal in due time, but I want to get everyone's impression first.

[UncertainKitten]

FoS: Miles

Slightly bothered by the last post. But I'll wait to see what happens. It's more a pinky finger at the moment anyway.

[UncertainKitten]

Ah, sorry, in all this mysteriousness I forgot that Miles actually isn't a closed file. The reason I FoS'd him is because it feels like he's following the majority of active posters to justify his semi OMGUS there.

He leaves a lot of wiggle room that doesn't say a lot, and basically just rephrases what has previously been said while trying to appear to take a stance. That's all.

[UncertainKitten]

Don't think you'll clear it up but I have now provided my reasoning since there was no reason to hide it. I do think I need to hold back a little longer on EdFrost.

[UncertainKitten]

Slightly bothered by the last post.

Stop reading my mind! >:O
But I bet its for different reasons than as to why it slightly bothers me.

Was it? I actually put them forth this time.

[UncertainKitten]

I did notice that as well, actually, but it bothered me less than the other points. It's an inconsistency but not precisely a scummy one as he might have been persuaded to look at them slightly separately.

But, yeah, you were right, I was looking at something different.

[UncertainKitten]

But what was the necessity of that post? The idea is it felt like you were echoing us to build rapport. I definitely have an eye on you for the time being.

[UncertainKitten]

Don't they say third times the charm? If we DO decide to lynch the mod, it's best to do it early.

[UncertainKitten]

stop voting for the mod and actually play this game, please. Let's start over with a real RVS. vote: UncertainKitten, although I'm not certain that's the right vote.

FoS: Dana

RVS has been over for quite awhile IMO. I already have a level of suspicion on EdFrost, Nikanor, Miles, and now you.

Are you trying to pretend that the last 6 pages have absolutely nothing to go off of? There's a lot of noise but there are some reads you can get from it. I'd advise giving a second shot.

[UncertainKitten]

UT?

And congratulations dana, you basically just hypocritted your way into that one.

I'm about ready to vote you at this point.

[UncertainKitten]

Honestly though, when I look back I'm not seeing many, if any scumtells, but there is a lot of appeal to emotion from the jokes going around, which doesn't help in any way. If this continues with anyone, I'd be starting to look at them suspiciously.

Look harder?

sigh. My RVS had a joke hidden in it which most people seemed to miss. I said I was UNCERTAIN that I should vote for UNCERTAIN KITTEN. No, I don't think there is anything to be gotten from the first 6 pages, anyway.
unvote until I actually have a scum candidate.

Oh, I caught the joke. I just think that you call wasn't very townlike.

[UncertainKitten]

I find smashbro townish because I agree with his assessments of the game.

Agreeableness != towniness.

[UncertainKitten]

reasoning behind calling Smash of SSS townie for agreeing with me:
I'm townie
I think the way he does about the events of this game
He's more likely townie

And that thinking is flawed. So far no concrete stances on other players have been made. Agreeing with you on what amounts to theory is QUITE easy for scum to do. Further, you can't be sure that this is his actual opinion of events. He could easily be posting it to "look townie".

You really don't get much til the bandwagons start forming, when stances on other players are forced.

[UncertainKitten]

But he DISagreed with me. He corrected me rightly on a point that I was wrong on.

Still rather easy at this point.

Now, I don't think he's SCUM, I just don't think you can qualify him as town for mere agreement. Honestly, at this stage it's hard to qualify anyone as town.

[UncertainKitten]

Unvote, Vote danakillsu

Seriously? You stand accused of something very specific in your supposedly real thoughts on the game and generalize it in an Appeal to Emotion? wow.

Your first two posts already had me on the edge.

[UncertainKitten]

If what you had posted had been good "real content", I wouldn't be bothered. But it wasn't. Everything you've posted thus far has not felt town at all.

[UncertainKitten]

Ok, magnus, I think you are missing at least two players on your votecount. And that you can't count.

It's a mess and I don't even know where to begin.

Conflicted on the dana issue now. Don't like how magically the wagon on him sprang up, but don't want to jump off yet as we might get some good info off the wagon. We'll see how it goes.

DT's post seems sparse but I'm not sure if that's just because nothing has been happening or what.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh, hey, Miles has Alice's note.

I should have figured when both mods had colors that something was up.

Unvote, Vote Dana

Discrediting believable role information. Oh wait, I was already voting him ^-^

May I ask why you know the mods

aren't

playing Dana?

Not sure who suggested we kill the mod, but it's a stupid idea. Since when do we skip D1 and just kill the mod? Even if the mod is relevent and a player in this game, we should treat him like any other player ie lynch him if we have a reason to.

Nine out of ten Tar games. That said, I don't think we need to lynch the mod yet.

On dana: wouldn't lynch him just yet. He seems to be playing to what I know of his town-meta right now (though I guess I don't know his scum-meta).

can you back this up with comparative analysis?

I don't like meta.

Meta has uses, but it's not foolproof. I prefer to combine it with active analysis. In your example, White Lightning has had a history of tearing up pillows, so it is entirely fair to investigate him further while placing less suspicion for the pillow ripping on Captain Sparky. But blaming someone out of hand based PURELY on meta isn't a good idea.

Meta is fine and great.

But if a player is scummy, then regardless of meta, they should be called out on it.

Those that hide behind their past meta and go "its not scummy when I do it, because I always do this" IS A FALLACY.

Regardless of what they claim.
There are even players on this site that have user based titles showing their ineptitude.
And hide behind it.
Because people fail to realize it is in fact a fallacy.
Scummy is scummy.
Regardless of past actions.

I agree that to some extent bad players who hide behind meta need to catch flack for their actions. However, I think completely unqualified lynching will lead to more mislynches then otherwise.

@Seven: The mod knows the setup; and just going on pure motivational basis, they want their game to be fun to watch/play (if they're players). Leading the the town to victory would be a bland way to waste the 3+ months that they've been waiting in the Queue. They have no reason to play nice with us, and if they're actually players it eliminates a third party *that we aren't risking a mislynch on*.

Tarhalindur has the most extensive mod as player game theory. Kai and m_o

have

to be third party. There are ways to make them a killing third party though, so we might want to be careful of that.

Overall, Dana remains scummy, Seven gets a o_O until he backs up his meta, Miles seems alright, Frost is dissipating my scum read of him little by little, SP as always seems awesome (dammit), and I probably don't have enough from the other players.

[UncertainKitten]

The game I was referring to (Dana's meta) isn't over yet. I don't mind looking over his finished games though. I'll post that tonight.

/me facepalms

One game is NOT enough data to develop a meta of someone out of :S.

[UncertainKitten]

AtE, loose paraphrase.

At this point you might as well paraphrase

your

interpretation of your information.

[UncertainKitten]

I have a present for all of you!

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP: Ok, fine, more like Kison has a present. But still!

[UncertainKitten]

Impressive. L-2 in less than one week. Now what?

[UncertainKitten]

No.
Because going to a single voting title, and saying 'oh hey, that voting title has words, those words could mean something' will lead to nothing.
There is nothing to be gathered from the titles that you can say ANYthing about let alone "I told you so".

Look at the other titles, why no comments on them?
You can't pick and choose them.
You can't pretend a single voting title has meaning and then ignore every other single one.
Perhaps thats just the first one you noticed.
Perhaps you are just insane.
Perhaps fluff is fluff is fluff is fluff.

You are mostly right. Except for the fact Tar gives mod hints in votecount titles. Sometimes. I wouldn't overanalyze them but there could be valuable information.

That said, "multiple interpretations" appears to be a commentary on the Role PM stuff we are talking about now.

[UncertainKitten]

Miles, can you confirm the text of your role to see if it fits dana's interpretation?

Also, being m_o doesn't make you town.

[UncertainKitten]

@all
Just ask yourselves if (taking for granted that I am magnus_orion) my playing style fits my roleclaim. That's all I ask. I believe it's clear that I was trying to help town by pointing out that Miles had a false interpretation of the way this game works.

I think it's clear you could easily be a mafia lynchee as well as town lynchee. Hell, you could be third party!

Your roleclaim is imminently fakeable. Hell, it could just be fluff, but given this is linked role chaos, probably not.



...that said, a mafia lynchee would really give town a sorta advantage so I can't be entirely sure I want you dead yet.

[UncertainKitten]

Fair point, but I'm willing to accept non standard role patterning. Don't forget this is

linked role chaos

.

Course, could be a fakeclaim as well, ne?

[UncertainKitten]

Yes, and it would have been a given that the fakeclaim has to be a "linked role" of some sort.

[UncertainKitten]

Now, that said, I think that some of Fishy's attacks on dana are good points. I'm leaning scum on Fishy, but I'd like some input on my little case here before I make a decision on whether to vote him. I'm very conflicted at the moment. My mind is saying scum while my gut is saying town, and I'd like some help in sorting my thoughts out.

In the interest of succinctness, can you do a bulleted list style case on Fishy that compresses the results of your ISO? Quote striping is becoming increasingly annoying to me, so in exchange for cutting down on it myself, I'm generally requesting others do so as well, so as to actually

communicate

points properly to the town.

That wouldn't be an issue, would it?

Fishy is a saint for responding to that mess in a point by point format, no matter what his alignment may actually be. if I can see the actual case I'll be interested in parsing it and the responses to determine truthiness .

[UncertainKitten]

In the interest of succinctness, can you do a bulleted list style case on BrokenBlueprints that compresses the results of your ISO? Quote striping is becoming increasingly annoying to me, so in exchange for cutting down on it myself, I'm generally requesting others do so as well, so as to actually

communicate

points properly to the town.

That wouldn't be an issue, would it?

I hope that BrokenBlueprints waits for you to compress your case before responding to it.

Together we can help townies not commit suicide during rereads!

[UncertainKitten]

I actually agree with EdFrost. That last post was made of weaksauce. I like my dana vote more right now but...admittedly I'm intrigued.

[UncertainKitten]

@Nikanor: Thank you ^-^
regarding Socio: That is intriguing, but actually his post on BrokenBlueprints was only half way a joke. He was using parallelism as a sarcastic method to condemn your post. read the last paragraph for the most telling part. I think he's still producing.

Regarding L-1: If we have put him to L-1, we probably want him dead anyway, so his lyncher can have it if he wants. I never really cared about non killing third parties "winning"

[UncertainKitten]

Gonna FoS me next ^-^?

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP: Or in fact, anyone on your wagon?

Sorry, I'd advise you to come up with something better than that.

[UncertainKitten]

@Nika: Games usually don't end when the lyncher wins, at least Tar inspired games don't. The winning point is noted, but what if the lynchee were scum? (Note I still don't buy Dana as a lynchee)

[UncertainKitten]

So you think I'm third-party lyncher, most likely, but you want to lynch me. But if someone ELSE is a third-party lyncher, you are fine with them winning. There's something wrong there.
I find it interesting that so many people are voting for me, but none of them can agree on why they are voting for me.

No, I think that if a third party lyncher exists, I really don't care if they win, since I think you are scum. I don't really buy your lynchee claim, but if you ARE one, I still don't think that precludes you from being scum.

As for your second point, what necessarily is interesting about that? Just means you are scummy in so many different directions that seizing on one thing would be neglectful.

[UncertainKitten]

It'd be hard to come up with something scummier than wanting a lynchee lynched. The difference between him and the other people on my wagon is that he wouldn't care if I was confirmed lynchee. He'd still want to lynch me.

Gonna FoS me now? Just what is scummy about wanting a

non alignment confirmed

lynchee lynched? Especially one that has been as scummy as you have?

Further, I'm PRETTY sure that's a strawman thar. I don't see anything about how if you were a

confirmed town lynchee

, Fishy would still pursue your lynch. If you were just a confirmed lynchee your alignment most certainly wouldn't be confirmed, so I'd just have to judge your behavior, which, hey, guess what? Has been scummy.

[UncertainKitten]

Hmm.
How does this music sounds to the TEAMS ears?:
danakillsu
EdFrost
Nikanor

Its my first draft of three, so go easy on me.

For once I'm actually not trying to sew together a team on D1. dana is pretty damn scummy but there's a lot of noise surrounding him that makes it hard to pick out a team at this time. I'd probably look CLOSER at EdFrost when dana flips scum, but I'm not sure on Nikanor. Waiting for his succinct case mostly.

[UncertainKitten]

I'm taking a more wait and see attitude for the time being.

[UncertainKitten]

But, you could be scum for some of them ^-^.

At any rate, what do you mean by "confirmed lynchee", and what does

he

mean by it?

[UncertainKitten]

I just mean that if he somehow knew for sure that I was a lynchee, he will still not think it a bad idea to lynch me. That is all I am saying. But this is hugely important, because that's the way he would try to portray it if he was the lyncher.

Umu...ok? And if he's the supposed lyncher? That's not exactly mafia. lynchers are a non killing third party role. I'm...really not worried.

Well, add to that I think you're lying but yeah.

[UncertainKitten]

@Nikanor: Links are your friend. I'd have preferred links but I'll follow what you have here.

I'm not the one who is supposed to be defending those points, but I will state one through three, in context, aren't very scummy. Honestly, I think I saw one good point in your case. The rest of it is so many words that don't really stack up to "scummy" in my eyes. Sorry.

exactly what I'm saying! you hit it right on the head, and I think this iso shows him to be scummier than I am. However, overall, I don't see how it makes sense for us both to be scum. Could you explain that part in more detail?

How convenient. Fortunately, the desperation is probably more of a null tell, slight scumtell possibly.

Honestly, Fishy's defense goes along the same lines of how I'd handle my defense against similar accusations as town.

Not sure what to make of Nikanor's case. It feels weak, but not necessarily scum motivated.

[UncertainKitten]

perhaps we should slow down so that I can show you why you should not be voting for me, UK. Please describe the role you think I have in reasonable detail.

I have no idea what your real role is. What I do

not

think you are is a lynchee.

[UncertainKitten]

SP, you are clearly an NK Immune Miller Vig. You are linked to the Daykill Immune Godfather Doctor.

[UncertainKitten]

With 12 players, if you're "alone", you likely are "linked" to someone in your "aloneness"

[UncertainKitten]

It actually isn't. I have a link to someone. Sorry SP. It just wasn't meant to be.

[UncertainKitten]

WIFOM is my shroud and shield ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

Fishy's reasoning puts lynchees in a horrible position. If I am a lynchee (from his point of view) I still shouldn't have claimed lynchee. I should have lied about my role and made up some BS thing that could easily be disproven, like cop.
@DTMaster
I'm just not sure what the thrust of your questions is...
You seem to be confused about the case on me. But I'll try my best to answer your questions, I guess.

Actually, if you were town you SHOULD have played in a way that showed yourself to be town rather than post a lot of scummy posts. You should never have HAD to claim. Claims are not meant to save your life in most cases. It's mostly to prevent us from lynching a strong power role. Lynchees aren't

Also, UK's analysis of my role was so vague (even maybe non-existent) that there's no way to answer it. This is what I mean by saying that noone knows why they want to lynch me. UK isn't even going to give me a guess at what my role is.

Your role, once again, doesn't matter. It's the fact that I feel you are scum and I feel lynchee is a fakeclaim. I've toyed with the theory of a mafia lynchee but overall I just don't think I buy your claim at all.

[UncertainKitten]

And, that's where we have misrep.

You are playing how a town lynchee, or a

mafiate fakeclaiming lynchee

would play. No where did anyone EVER say you were a lyncher. Secondly, even if you ARE A lynchee, which I doubt, it's more likely to be a joint win for lyncher and town as opposed to directly ending the game. That'd be bad set up design.

Finally, where do you get the idea that Fishy agrees you are helping town?

That entire post is just a miserable pile of misrep.

[UncertainKitten]

/me sighs.

I really should let Fishy defend himself but when the attacks turn so scummy I can't really help myself, considering I

am

making the same arguments Fishy is for the most part, so I guess I feel equally bound to defend them.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, he can show me why he doesn't agree, if he wants, but it seems to me he has to agree based on what he's said. But if I was mafia, why would I claim lynchee? That just wouldn't make sense. If I was mafia and fakeclaimed lynchee, I would have to realize that there could very well be a lyncher out there who would jump on my wagon as soon as possible, thinking me the real lynchee. That would just be really stupid of me.

Gonna use some mod meta here. Tar provides fakeclaims at the start of the game. Do you think Kai wouldn't? Of course, finding linked roles to claim would be difficult, so lynchee is probably one of the first I'd put out there.

And that's ignoring the controversy between Miles and me. Why would I know he was wrong if my role had nothing to do with the lyncher/lynchee situation? And don't say that I already had a fakeclaim ready. That wouldn't make sense. I wouldn't start a controversy to get people on my wagon just so I could fakeclaim.

Well, you probably DID have the fakeclaim already, and secondly Miles has not been proven wrong yet.

I'm pretty sure you were already being wagoned at that point anyway.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh, right, you could be right about the role names in this game, but m_o and Kai do not necessarily have to be town, ne? nor do they need to be a lyncher/lynchee pair.

[UncertainKitten]

Guilty as charged.

I'm working through resolving my assumption and your fakeclaim. And I'm not sure I can, at this point.

[UncertainKitten]

True, but not important. The fact is, I admitted knowledge of their roles before I had a wagon on me. If you can't think of a reason for that, why are you voting for me?

I think that you had 2 votes on you before all this happened going through page 10 and 11. I also think you were under suspicion and had a chance of attracting more votes when you countered Miles.

And yeah, your survival instinct is bugging me a lot.

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP: A chance of attracting more votes

before

you countered Miles

Here's the thing though. Miles has barely produced anything except hanging on to others as well. He's not exactly sterling. You've just been louder with your scumminess.

[UncertainKitten]

Yeah, I forgot about that whole AtE thing. But those votes were pretty weak, and three (yes, it was three) votes is no reason for me to get frantic.

But it

is

a good time to set up your fakeclaim so that people don't accuse you of fakeclaiming to save your ass, ne?

Honestly I have to ISO both you and Miles, and try to see if you fit as a lynchee or a scum fakeclaiming lynchee, and Miles because I still get the bad feeling he was acting scummy and we forgot about him.

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So you want to lose a game if a lynchee is in it who, if he dies, will make town lose. That scares me gravely. I would vote for you, but it seems a little to obvious. HoS:Sociopath

And then you post like this. I agree with SP. If this game were to end because the lyncher won, I'd be pissed and honestly don't think the game would be worth playing.

Further, you do realize the lyncher winning would be bad for a mafiate as well. Are you

only

lyncher hunting, or are you scumhunting? You aren't any value to town if you aren't scumhunting.

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my scumlist (after a very short deliberation):
fishythefish (not just because he seems like the lyncher)
Miles Prower (he disappeared once the huge wagon on me had accumulated)
SocioPath (reasons mentioned above)

I would probably change this after a longer re-read, but that's what I've got for now.

Forgive me, but could you present a bulleted list of why Fishy and Sociopath are scum and not lynchers? I agree on the Miles accusation.

That might be a mistake, as he could be changing his mind right now.

She's probably not going to after that really crappy scumlist. But you can try to convince her differently by posting real reasons.

What? No, it doesn't, because that's not what I'm saying. Quit lurking and post some real content. I ISO'd Socio and found him to be sorely lacking in the contribution department. He has promised to post things that he hasn't, and has made too many non-serious posts.

Getting closer. I want links to every instance of what you accuse him of. You can link to a specific post by clicking on the little white paper thingy next to the timestamp of the post, and copying the url.

Of course I'm scumhunting. But the easiest thing for me to do is obviously trying to find the person trying to kill me. For all I know, that could lead me to scum.

Uh...probably not. I'd find a mafia lynchee FAR more likely than a mafia lyncher. assuming that were even the case.

Sorry about the quote stripes of death, it was hard to avoid this time.

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For his sake, I hope you are referring to the first part (promise to post things I haven't), and not the last part. (non-serious posts)

I indeed meant both, but as for the non serious posts part, perhaps it would be easier just for him to give a count of non serious posts out of total posts. Like if SP has 72 posts, and you think 32 of them are not serious, just post 32/72 non serious posts and I'll confirm with my own count in ISO. Perhaps particularly scummy examples of non seriousness should be highlighted with a link.

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I'll let SP defend the first example. But it's not a scumtell, I'll tell you that.

And the second is a vote for EdFrost. I don't think he ever claimed he'd reveal his reasons either.

I'm not seeing it Dana.

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I don't need to remind you of all of his non-serious posts, do I?

An X/Y format would work well enough. Just how many posts you think are noise over his total posts, and I'll see if I agree. If we don't arrive at the same number we'll have to show our work.

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Fishy and Socio could both just as easily be scum as lyncher because they don't care if I am a lynchee. They want to get rid of a townie if they're scum, or win the game if they're lycher.

Once again, I agree with them about your lynchee claim not impressing me. Why am I not on your scum list?

And what of everyone else on your wagon? Are they scum too for wanting to "get rid of a townie"?

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Holy fuck that was awesome. I just totally randomly said 72 posts and he actually had 73?

Again, demonstrate for me exactly WHERE people have said they don't care whether you are town or not?

Anyway, I'll take a look myself.

[UncertainKitten]

I'm going to toss out all information that was before the game started. So I'll start from ISO 8

16.5/66

I had about 3 posts I'd consider half fluff.

I think you need to read some of his posts closer. I don't see NEARLY the amount of fluff you do.

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I disagree that there has been a disproportionate amount of fluff posting.

Come on, this is getting ridiculous.
Sociopath just said that if I was a lynchee and it would make town lose to lynch me, he would want to lynch me anyway. And we already had this conversation about Fishy. He says that the possibility of me being a lynchee doesn't bother him because I might be dangerous later on, which doesn't make any sense.

Actually, both of those sound rather town or lyncher, but not scummy. I do recall the first quote, but I agree there because honestly, a game where a D1 lynch would cut both town and mafia out of winning is friggen stupid. As for fishy, we HAVE had that conversation. I disagree with your assessment.

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What's hilarious is if you had just claimed that no one would believe you ^-^.

What I'm curious is how that role is linked to anything ^-^.

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Alright, I'm Kairyuu, the lyncher. My goal is to lynch magnus_orion. I DON'T KNOW WHO HE IS!!!!! I don't expect you to, but if you keep me alive, I will try to help town lynch scum. I will simply vote for the person I find scummiest until a lynch looks inevitable at which time I will move my vote to the person about to be lynched, just in case they are magnus_orion. You are free to offer me a different deal in exchange for my life.

Awaiting a counterclaim I guess? Honestly we might as well just lynch you and get rid of the third party headache. I will state this is SPECIFICALLY because it's you and you've sucked at helping us so far. If another lyncher comes forward a deal might be arrived at.

Oh, wait, you're lying. Lynchers (in general), know the player they are targetting.

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Bullshit. You can ALWAYS help town while defending yourself. In fact, it makes your defense far more likely to be successful.

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@DT: Don't get what you mean here :S.

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Because they win if they have a majority, and if you help them win by winning yourself, neither of you or the mafia loses...

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How about we just lynch you and not have to deal with the lyncher equation ever ^-^. Sounds like a plan!

I guess you get removed from the game if you win, right? So, therefore, we can either have a chance of lynching your target, and going into night with 10 players, or lynch you, who is confirmed non town, and go into night with 11 players.

I think I know what I prefer.

[UncertainKitten]

Alright. Let the votes be cast. Would you rather be certain of not catching mafia tonight and certain of catching a non-townie, or would you rather have a chance of catching mafia and getting closer to your win condition?

Cept I'm not certain about that. The bargaining and rapidly changing claims, coupled with your attitude towards how a lyncher should be treated have me firmly convinced you are scum.

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Also, this wouldn't be the first time that SCUM would have called me annoying.
IF YOU DO RECALL, UK.
I guess my style annoys scum.
GOOD.
I'm sure SCUM would have DK'd me by now if they good.

I seem to recall a time when you were a doublevoter with ADHD that was flipping between two of the three scum until they shot you in the face. So I have to agree with this at the least.

Why am I being called annoying as well though?

[UncertainKitten]

Oh, that game . Eh, Open Source was...interesting.

[UncertainKitten]

@DT: Well, Cobalt was obvscum that game.

[UncertainKitten]

SOMEONE SHOULD SUGGEST A THEME GAME FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

CAN WE ROLL IT INTO THAT POST RESTRICTION GAME WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER!?

[UncertainKitten]

Yes, because survivor is

so much better

Die. in a fire.

ALL CAPS MAFIA WOULD SUCK THOUGH >=[

[UncertainKitten]

Oh, ok. So, you basically want to prove your point by dying and being about 2/3rds of a good lynch because you are NOT counting towards a town win con?

[UncertainKitten]

I find your list utterly hilarious. The thing is, you HAVEN'T helped town. The post you just made is THE most contentful post you've made all game. And even it sucks.

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SP, it's not fair when you take my points and repeat them more forcefully so people remember it from you .

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Don't make me get a restraining order against you! I already have one against DT! I'll keep you three posts away from me! Judge Kai! Judge Kai! Sociopath is a sociopath! He keeps stalking me!

Geez. Quite popular with the creepy types eh? You sure you're not provoking these poor guys? Nevertheless, I will award you a (completely meaningless) 1 post restraining order against Sociopath the sociopath.

[UncertainKitten]

You thought your clever capitalization would obscure the truth!

(totally not m_o but actually Beatrice) SocioPath is actually a sociopath!

Please refrain from doing that again.

[UncertainKitten]

I recommend not breaking rule 5a regardless of reason to do so.

But I'm not the mod! I can't use gold text. Oh shi-

It's not MY fault m_o STOLE the color of truth from me! Who does he think he is? Beatrice?

Yes.

[UncertainKitten]

Hai hai Kai, I'll stop joking with red. Also, I hope you told SP that I have a restraining order against him!

And yes, that WAS the hammer.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh, no it wasn't. Disco was already voting dana.

:V

[UncertainKitten]

Oh, yeah, it just occurred to me. Nikanor and myself are scummier due to the Disco fake hammer exchange. Obviously it can be a townie mistake (I made it), but it does occur to me that Nikanor would want to protect his erratic scumbuddy from saying "bah, go scum" and getting auto caught.

Well, actually, that's just one hell of a conspiracy theory. Something to keep in mind but not seriously believe without lots more evidence.

[UncertainKitten]

Wut UK, elaborate please? I didn't catch that one.

...You mean you didn't realize you were already voting Dana and were trying to fakehammer so he'd claim scum prematurely?

...well then.

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I don't know what you're thinking UK, but I still think he's third party. That is what he claimed, after all. And ITT we lynch third parties.
On another note, I think that Seven is a flaker. I just checked on the Search utility and he hasn't posted elsewhere since the seventh (har har). I'll still wait for Seven, but if he gets replaced I'm just going to hammer.

It's a conspiracy theory. And I have to implicate myself to make it work. Not exactly the greatest tactic, ne?

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It's a conspiracy theory. And I have to implicate myself to make it work. Not exactly the greatest tactic, ne?

Not really. If you did try to push it, I'd have to call you on reaching AND hypocrisy, and that just wouldn't be cool.

As I said, I'm keeping it in mind, but I'm not pushing it.

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The lurkers need to post.

I have no read on you. Probably slightly town actually. I don't agree with your case on Fish but I don't think it was scum motivated. But I'd really have to reread you.

[UncertainKitten]

Lurking is fucking annoying. Scummy or not needs to be determined by replacements. If they are posting enough to not get prodded, it becomes active lurking, which is scummy.

[UncertainKitten]

...

FoS:Nikanor

[UncertainKitten]

SP, if I'm scum, my scumbuddy is blatantly obvious.

But, at any rate,

HoS: Nikanor

for that clever reply.

[UncertainKitten]

It's not you.

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Ok, so, here's the deal. I agree Smashbro is terrible. I think he's also probably close to L-1 if he isn't already there.

I'm going to make a vote on a feeling I got yesterday. This would be a

Vote: Nikanor

I'll ISO him either later today or tomorrow to back this up.

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I was town Socio.

I'm re-/inning, Kairyuu.

[UncertainKitten]

OH HEY I KNOW!

We could pretend this is a UK game, and lynch ourselves as town, after the entire scum team has been outed.

ALL HER GAMES END THAT WAY.

The last two in some fashion or another...TTGL most glaringly, Umineko more subtly. Seriously Kai ?

[UncertainKitten]

HA! So my initial read on EdFrost was RIGHT. Hell yes for secret scumtells! Course, I was all wrong elsewhere.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, still, 1/3 isn't terrible for a rather annoyingly distracted D1 and a barely started D2. Just wish I had stuck to EdFrost after that scumtell :S.

[UncertainKitten]

Wat.

You talkin' 'bout the extended RVS stage?
Because I LOOOOOOVE extended RVS stages.
Because some of the best scum hunting can come from such.
It certainly caught EF.
Very much so.
I mean, this guy was so much scum that I wish I wasn't bound and gagged.

Actually, I meant the lyncher/lynchee bullshit.

Huh, cool. Usually lynching the mod is a no lynch in my games .

[UncertainKitten]

Kairyuu apparently takes after the UK philosophy of cop design for the most part. Though I guess it's Vi's shtick too...

[UncertainKitten]

Pah. I've been screwing cops since my first modded game on here! And not in the obvious double entendre way SocioPath is going to point out!

[UncertainKitten]

That was slightly less obvious .

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Sounds like FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN~!