921 Space Quest Mafia (officially Mod Abandoned)

[ksen]

vote: spambot

Spam . . . need I say more?

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The First Vote count:

Players: 12

0- ortolan
0- Toon Fighter
1- Debonair Danny DiPietro- (horrordude)
0- TheButtonmen- (Zang)
1- MordyS- (Doombunny)
1- Doombunny9- (MordyS)
0- Spambot
1- ksen- (Spambot)
0- animorpherv1
0- Zang
2- dramonic- (Ani, DDD)
0- horrordude0215

With 12 players left alive it is 7? to throw someone out of the timepod.


Current Deadline: March 1st 11:59 PM (Mountain Standard Time). Please keep the deadline lynch rules in mind.

Side Note: The flavor for this game is from games 1-6 of the Space Quest Series as stated in signups.

If I'm reading your list right then I think you have something backwards. I voted for spambot. I don't see where he voted for me.

Thx.

Fixed

[ksen]

This game needs more discussion (Yes I'm aware of the irony of saying that.)

Unvote; Vote: Dramonic

Why pick Dramonic?

[ksen]

This game needs more discussion (Yes I'm aware of the irony of saying that.)

Unvote; Vote: Dramonic

Why pick Dramonic?

Do you have a reason why not?

Just seems kind of early to get a bandwagon going on someone. So I'd like to hear what the reason was for putting a 3rd vote in on someone this early into day 1.

Has dramonic done anything particularly scummy?

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From the looks of the rest of the post, it would appear that the reason for it would be to get discussion going.

That's what was said, but he didn't add any actual discussion.

unvote

vote The Buttonmen

I'd like to hear what he felt needed discussing by putting a 3rd vote on Dramonic.

Anyway, I'm still waiting for an explaination from orto.

Yes, how Orto did that was kind of weird. I'd like to hear an explanation for that as well.

[ksen]

@mod:

By my count there are 3 people needing prods:

1) animorpherv1
2) ortolan
3) toon fighter

I haven't seen anything from them since before the 14th.

[ksen]

As of today here's my thinking on each person in order of scumminess:

TheButtonmen - joining a bandwagon without really giving a good reason

ortolan - seeming to know who is town

Toon Fighter - Starting the whole flavor discussion which didn't really seem aimed at helping town figure out who the scum are.

animorpherv1 - slightly scummy for revenge voting

pwnman

horrordude0215

- very slightly scummy because I am usually suspicious of people that dropout.

Debonair Danny DiPietro - no read

MordyS - no read

Spambot - no read

Zang - no read

dramonic - leaning town because I didn't like the early bandwagon on him for no apparent reason.

Doombunny9 - leaning town because tone of discussion has been to mostly help town and scumhunt. Though DB did try to get a sidetrack discussion going on the SpaceQuest game later additions to the discussion have been pro-town.

[ksen]

Can we stop just asking "Why?" to everything?

Good suggestion . . . can we get your reads?

[ksen]

@ ksen: how exactly am I scummy for asking what exactly is the flavour? We were on the first hours of the game, and I just wanted to know somthing about it. That is no reason for accusing me

In the rules posted by Sajin it says:

16) Flavor is flavor. It does not indicate one way or the other about the presence or absence of characters from the game.

Since flavor is just flavor it didn't seem very productive to me to get a conversation started about it. And which team would like town to be non-productive? Is it conclusive? No. But it did make me take a look at you as possible scum.

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Unvote, Vote: ksen

His scumlist looks like he just read the wiki for the first time and applied what he saw there without any thought. I'm going to assume he's slightly smarter than dramonic and that he's capable of some critical thought. The fact that he didn't use any suggests scum to me.

I am interested in seeing your scumlist at this point in the game. I'd also like to see a bit more criticism than OMGUS!. What are your specific criticisms of each of my reads?

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How is it OMGUS? I was buried in the middle-bottom of your scumlist.

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V/LA through Sunday

It's OMGUS! because you are saying "It looks like you used the wiki, OMGUS!"

Please post a list of everyone playing with your thoughts on them.

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OMGUS is when you vote for someone simply because they vote for you. If you'd actually read the wiki you'd know that, so that sort of refutes my point. But you've drawn my ire anyways so the vote stands for your failures.

Let me get this straight. It's now obvious that I didn't use the wiki, which I didn't, but you are going to keep your vote on me anyways? Odd.

And this is my third request to you for a read on the players. Why are you avoiding giving a read?

The only thing I'm not sure about right now is if what you are doing is scummy behavior or just poor-play behavior.

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@The Buttonmen: Are you sure that vote is not for putting you at the top of my scumlist?

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He's not newbtown, he's been playing twice as long as I have.

lol, this is my second game on this site.

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It is still kind of mind-boggling to me that talking about reads and trying to get others to talk about reads is seen as anti-town/scummy.

DDD, you said my reads were "techinically correct" and yet you still didn't like them?

Would you mind expanding on that idea?

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So when you create a scumlist and litter it with things like, "bandwagoning" and "revenge voting" it's a shallow anlysis that is probably correct, but lacking in critical thought.

I didn't feel I had to say more when I was providing links to back up my short statements.

When I update it I will add more than a short comment with a link.

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By the way, the mod wouldn't let me replace on the grounds that it was attempted tactical replacement, which I admitted to him it was. I have to admit 'twould have given me satisfaction to get mislynched though. Does anyone want me to claim so we can start scumhunting?

What does "attempted tactical replacement" even mean? If you're town why would you want to be replaced when you were at L-3 to L-2?

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We're obviously not getting more out of ortolan.

If he's not scum then he is hurtful to town with all the evasiveness and not answering questions. As such he is the best lynch option for today.

unvote

vote: ortolan

[ksen]

Welcome to the game Malthusis.

Have you had a chance to read through day 1?

[ksen]

Agreeded,

Vote: Ksen

What's the case against him?

I laid out my thinking for who was scum and asked for reads and thoughts from others.

[ksen]

Have you read D1 yet? It's quite short and I'd much rather you read it before people start quoting / refrencing parts of it. Fresh mind and all that jazz.

Why do you have this tendency to make suggestions that tries to keep town from talking?

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Have you read D1 yet? It's quite short and I'd much rather you read it before people start quoting / refrencing parts of it. Fresh mind and all that jazz.

Why do you have this tendency to make suggestions that tries to keep town from talking?

We've got a fresh pair of eyes, shouldn't we use that to our advantage instead of immediatly trying to bias him?

He made the request over 36 hours after the new day began. That's hardly "immediately." And why do you use the term "bias?" Do you consider town talk an effort of creating bias?

How long do you think is an adequate amount of time to give a new person to digest old information before diving into Day 2 talk?

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Oh, and one other thing, you didn't seem to care about biasing the new people when you immediately threw a vote on me.

TheButtonmen also didn't seem to care about biasing "fresh minds" when 3 minutes later he followed your lead.

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This is the second day in a row that theButtonmen has jumped on a bandwagon. His posts so far have been about stopping town from talking and I find that behavior if not scummy then at least anti-town.

So I will

vote: theButtonmen

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And don't try to classify this as OMGUS! If I was going to OMGUS! anyone it would have been DDD.

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This is the second day in a row that theButtonmen has jumped on a bandwagon. His posts so far have been about stopping town from talking and I find that behavior if not scummy then at least anti-town.

First off, I freely admit to bandwagoning D1, D1 I will bandwagon anything that moves to get competing bandwagons going, as wagons help town. Secondly can you back that up by showing quotes with me stopping town from talking?

Here are the links to posts of yours I read as trying to get town to stop talking, or at least not talk as much.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 66#2115266

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 30#2119530

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 54#2120554 (In this one you also make a claim about the me playing twice as long as you when I've only played one game besides this one on this site.)

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 13#2120713

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 04#2123104 (I was pushing town to talk and you are arguing that what I was pushing was, talking, is anti-town)

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 98#2142698

[ksen]

Enough with the speculation regarding SK for now I think. Todays been entirely people welcoming Malt and agreeing it's an SK. It's much easier to look for associative tells from mafia rather then SK hunting.

Post more once I have a chance to look through D1 agian.

Have you had a chance to look back through D1 yet?

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There was ONE replacment; So tell me in those two weeks have you figured out who Malthusis is replacing yet?

According to post #1 there have been two replacements: one for animorpherv1 and one for horrordude0215.

[ksen]

Double night kill....SK maybe?

Was the first post of the day, it's by pwnman and he's speculating that there's a SK. Why jump to SK? Now we learn he became a double voter over night. All this when combined with his play so far makes me think somethings fishy.

Unvote; Vote: Pwnman.

I'd like to hear an explanation from pwnman as well but I don't think him having a doublevote (for now?) is enough to tip a vote onto him.

Although if you're scum I can see how you'd be worried at the prospect of a town voter getting multiple votes.

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@malthusis . . . what do you make of pwnman having two votes now?

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@malthusis . . . what do you make of pwnman having two votes now?

In relation to what? His alignment?

Yes, in relation to his alignment.

TheButtonmen has used the multiple votes as part of his reasoning for voting pwnman. Do you find that to be a valid argument?

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@malthusis . . . what do you make of pwnman having two votes now?

In relation to what? His alignment?

Yes, in relation to his alignment.

TheButtonmen has used the multiple votes as part of his reasoning for voting pwnman. Do you find that to be a valid argument?

Buttonmen isn't using that as part of his argument

, he his using the "people who comment on night kills are scum" tell. (I'm too lazy to look it up on the wiki).

He isn't?

Then please explain what you think when he says:

Was the first post of the day, it's by pwnman and he's speculating that there's a SK. Why jump to SK?

Now we learn he became a double voter over night.

All this when combined

with his play so far makes me think somethings fishy.

That reads to me like he is factoring the double votes into his reasoning for voting for pwnman.

As for my opinion....
I think that is more of null tell for several reasons. While most double-voters are town, I can say that I have seen a scum double-voter (Legacy of the Ancients). As well, Kinetic is not the type of mod to make setups to assume things like that. Also another worrying point is that if pwnman is town (which I still think he scum), he will be a liability in any end-game situation. Would you really trust him with the well-being of town? I'm perfectly fine with where my vote is sitting right now.

I don't know pwnman enough to know if I could trust him to win for Town in an endgame situation.

Still annoyed he hasn't chimed in yet...

Yes, that's a bit annoying.

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I will post my thoughts about the game so far tomorrow.

malthusis, you said this back on the 1st. I don't remember seeing you post your thoughts on the game.

You've posted about some specific new things to crop up but I never saw this promised post.

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We have a week until the deadline hits. Here's a question I'll post to everybody (especially to our newcomer, Kairyuu): Who are your 1st and 2nd picks for a lynch today?

TheButtonmen and you.

[ksen]

We have a week until the deadline hits. Here's a question I'll post to everybody (especially to our newcomer, Kairyuu): Who are your 1st and 2nd picks for a lynch today?

Buttonmen and spambot for reasons I've already stated

Also, @ksen: I don't recall you saying anything about malt other then waiting for the thoughts on the game. Any reson you suspect him so much?

Pretty much because of his broken promise to give a read of the game. Which makes it appear to me like Malthusis was trying to sound helpful without actually having to be helpful.

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Kairyuu, I am willing to go along with your alliance idea. If you and Doom can agree on who to lynch today I will move my vote if necessary.

As I've stated before I'd be happiest with a TheButtonmen lynch. But if you guys agree to lynch DDD first then I am ok with that too since you made a compelling case against him.

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@TheButtonmen

: TheButtonmen, what changed your mind about DDD? On Day 1 and through most of Day 2 you were happy to follow his lead. Now you seem to be happy following Kairyuu's lead and said the DDD wagon was a good one. Why?

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@TheButtonmen

: TheButtonmen, what changed your mind about DDD? On Day 1 and through most of Day 2 you were happy to follow his lead.

What makes you think I following DDD?

DDD wonders why Dramonic isn't dead yet

You vote for Dramonic

DDD moves his vote to me

After a short pause you move your vote to me.

DDD's first order of business on Day 2 is to vote for me.

Followed by you 3 minutes later.

That is why I said you were happy to follow his lead, because you were.

But now you have decided for whatever reason to vote for him. How come you changed your mind?

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Dramonic was voted as a band wagon,

Mm-hmm, a bandwagon suggested by DDD. There were plenty of other people with one vote on them at the time, why pick Dramonic? By itself it would mean nothing. However when viewed alongside your other actions it shows a tendency to defer to DDD.

Are you going to answer the question about why you've decided to vote for DDD?

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Sidetracking and stalling? I was

fairly

completely blunt and straight forward.

You were? Please direct me to the post where you were blunt and direct about why you are voting for DDD now.

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We have been over this.

Oh, so you

haven't

been blunt and direct about why you've decided DDD would make a good lynch.

Thanks for clarifying.

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When did I claim to have done that? I said i wasn't side tracking or stalling.

You did. And then I asked where you were blunt and straight-forward about why you changed your vote to DDD.

You linked me to a post that said nothing about why you changed your vote to DDD. You are refusing to say why you've changed your mind about DDD.

How is that helpful to Town?

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@Mod:

Can we get a count?

I think Dramonic's vote put TheButtonmen at L-1.

[ksen]

Welcome to the game smashbro.

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Like I said earlier I'm happy with either a DDD or TBM lynch today as I feel they have been the scummiest so far.

unvote

vote DDD

[ksen]

I wouldn't mind continuing.

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I was the Godfather. Ortolan and I were the only scum. Since there were only two of us we were considering that there was another scumteam.

I put the kill in last night for: Malthusis