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Psh. I was waiting for you to post in PYP, then I figured your game would've been up... See! Lurking is infective!TonyMontana wrote:
No one else got one -.-Fate wrote:Thanks for the PM that the game had started TM... -_-
Vote: Azhrei
Don't like his posts. He attacks farside for a random vote, and then, seemingly out of nowhere votes me to get me to post?Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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I think he's arguing that your vote wasn't random, because you voted Vaya for her behavior in a past game.
I considered it a "RVS vote" though, which I think is usually interchangeable with "random vote."
I don't know what's changed, Az, but attacking one person then voting someone else is indeed strange. I can understand if I had posted once, promised to catch up, and never posted for awhile to warrant a vote, but I hadn't even made my first one yet.
Vote usually carries some implication of suspicion, yes? Inherently the RVS stage exists because no has done anything yet, so no one's reasons for voting anyone can be substantial at all. Therefore "seriously voting" someone who hasn't posted yet at all the epitome of a baseless vote.
And of course you unvoted when I posted, that's null.
On a side not, because I'm trying to not tunnel as much as I usually do, pwnman is looking pretty scummy with his fear of a quicklynch in a mini..Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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The wagons on Seven, Vaya, and Pwnman are all based off people disagreeing with their playstyles. (Cautious, Lurking, and BW fearful respectively)
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Tell me why your Seven vote is any better than your Jeromus vote, and I'll consider it.esuriospiritus wrote:Why would I do that? Regardless of alignment, it is not inanyone'sbest interests, town or scum, to build cases toward lynching themselves. o_OFate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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You're overreacting. The implication was that I would consider explaining my vote ES, not switch over to join her on you. Your unprovoked defense is noted, though.Seven wrote: So basically you vote Roslin, and then ask her to build a case against herself, and if she doesn't you'll gladly switch your vote over to me if she builds a case against me? Can you not build a case against anyone yourself?
ES is still a better wagon, everyone. If we're going to vote people for not voting, Azhrei is up there too.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Who have I misrepresented?Azhrei wrote:Fate, are you reading the game? or are you intentionally misrepresenting things? I'm trying to decide whether you're incredibly scummy, or just bad.
I'm curious, how many games are you in?
I'm in ~10ish games or so.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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esuriospiritus wrote:
This is harsh wording, if not an attempted misrep. Only 8 hours passed between Vaya's first post and her second post, which hardly constitutes as lurking even in a "short" deadline game (and is far better than the amount of time passed between my first and second posts. <_<; )jeromus wrote:Vaya opened with 2 words, then only posted when someone called her out for lurking. I believe this warrants frustration, if, admittedly, not suspicion.
I find it confusing that Jeromus would word Vaya's actions to make them seem worse than they are, then defend her actions as frustrating but not suspicious. Maybe I'm trying too hard to find something good and get us further out of the RVS, but I also find his use of the word "admittedly" to be odd. I personally take the usage of such phrases as "admittedly" and "to be honest" as a subconscious tack-on that means, "I don't want to admit this, but I will anyway because I get something out of putting it out there, such as appearing slightly more pro-town or avoiding taking a stance". If you're admitting or being honest about this one thing, what are you omitting?
In other words, I consider it a slight scum-tell, though it's the misrep that bothers me more.
unvote; vote: jeromus
...better than random. Let's see where this goes.
They came to each other's defense. Do I really need to spell it out?Right now, esurio comes off as fairly town to me, and I don't see what someone would find scummy about her. So Fate's vote on her bothers me, and I want to hear an explanation for it from him.
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Post #93 for reference.Fate wrote:The wagons on Seven, Vaya, and Pwnman are all based off people disagreeing with their playstyles. (Cautious, Lurking, and BW fearful respectively)
Fate does not approve.
Notice I did not call any of the aforementioned players town, so, no, it was not a defense.
It was a disappointing of their wagons. How I didn't make that clear is beyond me.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Nope. Vaya clearly said he felt you were "town." If you misreped me, and pwnman called you out on it, I would expect him to attack your misrep and not deduce that I was town from said misrep.esuriospiritus wrote:OMG YOU GUYS ARE SCUMMY NOW FOR DEFENDING EACH OTHER according to your logic. Do you see the flaw in this now?
See the difference now?Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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What? When did I say that was my entire reason? I was just building on the case that I had not revealed before.esuriospiritus wrote: ...your entire reason for voting me is null, asby your own logic, I'm not actually defending Vaya and any defending is only one way. It seems to me that, given your own reasoning, you should be voting Vaya, not me.
Also, I voted Azhrei earlier, so don't think I let that slip by.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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/impressesuriospiritus wrote:unvote: jeromus
I read his games in iso. He does indeed seem to have an affinity for exaggeration and hyperbole. I still think his wording was too harsh, but I can let it slide now that I have a better idea of how he words things.
No duh on the "weak case" thing, though I disagree with throwing around the term "straw manning" so easily. It has a connotation of malignant intent.starbuck wrote:You seem to have strawmanned together a very weak case on jeromus.
Obviously anything this early is going to be weak, though, and I acknowledge that in my voting post. I'd rather have a vote on someone for a reason than be voting someone randomly, no matter how far I have to reach to justify that reason.
I do, however, refuse to keep a vote when I can no longer justify that reason, such as is the case now.
@Fate: You say you disagree with most (if not all) of the bandwagons that have happened thus far. Out of the people on the bandwagons you disagree with, who do you think is most likely to be scum? What wagon do you think is most likely to be solely town-motivated?
@Vaya: Out of everyone who has voted you, who do you think is the scummiest, and why?
@Seven: There's always something you can find to ask someone questions about, especially after the first couple of pages. Watching people play without yourself placing a vote or asking questions can be considered active lurking. Our game days are short, so waiting until two days have passed before jumping in is far from pro-town. Even if it is your playstyle to sit back and absorb everything for a while, you can't afford to do that in this game and we can't afford to let someone who intends to off the hook.
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And your response to iam's legitimate question just insults my intelligence. Apparently it is a scumtell to vote someone and then ask them build a case against themselves, which the scum will then use against them, because the scum didn't even have a reason to vote them in the first place.esuriospiritus wrote:
If he thinks I'm scummy, he should build his own case on me instead of trying to get me to build it for him. Also, that he would resist giving any reasoning whatsoever for his vote so long makes me suspicious that maybe he didn't initiallyiam wrote:Again, why?haveany reasoning and just wanted an excuse to not answer my questions and thus take too many stances.
Brilliant! Why didn't I think of it before?Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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If you can admit to it being unconventional, would you mean explaining once again how it is scummy?esuriospiritus wrote:Enlighten us, oh wise unconventional thinker.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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You vote Jeromus. You the unvote him, agreeing your reasoning was weak, and say "I meta'd him and I'll believe that is his style."
Then you vote Seven:"I don't agree with his style." Seven then explains his style, but you do not meta him. Then You switch from your BW vote on Seven to me "I agree with Seven, asking me to make a case on myself is scummy", the one you were previously voting suggested.
Iam then asks you why what I said was scummy, and you provide an unsatisfactory answer that would require me to be a complete idiot.
There, rhyme and reason. I'm exhausted now. Now it is your turn.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Not even reading the game is poor town play. Iam pointed out clear as day why he didn't think it was a scummy action, and pointed out exactly where the pro-town motivation lies.esuriospiritus wrote: ...I can seeno possibletown motivation for asking someone to build a case on themselves. It just doesn't compute for a townie to ask that whatsoever. Therefore it follows in my mind that that action must be scum or neutral motivated.
You seem to insinuate that you donotfind asking someone why they're scummy to be a scummy action. Why not? Do you think Fate is town, or are you just trying to play devil's advocate?
Iam tipped my hand a little too early, but I got a good amount of reads off before he explained what I was doing.
It is called: reaction fishing. I hope I don't have to explain that to you as well.
Azrhei: apparently if you skimmed my other game you'd notice I acted scummy, got pushed all the way to L-1, and then started reasonably defending myself. I consider my own wagon a good D-1 material.
Look at all we have right now based on my base-less, "no pro-town motivation" post:
Pwnman- The epitome of a baseless case. "Convince me otherwise." No one has jumped on him for not explaining his case on me. Ironic, right?
Iam-Votes Seven for "obvious reasons" (not explaining them), BEFORE I vote ES. But no one jumps on Iam for that-or even mentions it- like ES and friends jumps on me. Makes me think I hit scum.
Farside-sees through my play like Iam. Shows her intelligence, but she wouldn't fall for it as scum either so I can't get a read just yet.
Azhrei-Thinks I'm scum for a good amount of time before actually throwing down a vote. Calls me a "Zwets" type of player or something. Insults my intelligence, says I don't do well in any of my games, but that I think I do, etc.
Vaya-Comes to ES' defense calling her town, and throwing a vote down on me
Seven-Misinterprets my asking ES to convince me how her Seven vote is better than Jeromus vote into me saying I would vote Seven. (I can how he misread this).
There's probably more, but meh. Oh yeah the funniest part of my reaction fishing read was this:
1. Asking someone to make a case on themselves when they have no case of their own isAz wrote:First of all, and I've said this to people before, just because you are aware that it is a scum tactic does not make you town. It makes you scum that knows what they're doing is scummynota scum tactic.
2. If I am scum that knows what I am doing is scummy, what scum motivation would I have to knowingly act scummy and draw attention to myself? Oh wait, you think I'm a terrible player. Nevermind.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Sorry sorry! I should've said, "none of the people who are voting me for my 'base-less vote' are calling Pwnman out on it."farside22 wrote:
What am I chopped liver? Sure I didn't ask pwnman to explain his vote in such a brash tone but I think my post is clear I find his post scummy and he needs to explain his vote.fate wrote:Pwnman- The epitome of a baseless case. "Convince me otherwise." No one has jumped on him for not explaining his case on me. Ironic, right?
I only skimmed your big post yet because I'm focusing on more scummy people.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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You know what? This post has been haunting me in my sleep. This is bullshit. You clearly state "I really dislike players like you." What the hell?Azhrei wrote:Fate, you responded, well... Exactly how I expected. I really dislike players like you. You play in way too many games at once (the only person I've ever seen handle that many games well was zwtchenwasser...), and play none of them well (I'll admit, I've read none of your other games, but take it as a playstyle meta). The worst bit is you think you play them well, and you don't hesitate to insult others about it. Actually, I lied, the worst bit is how you do it as both scum and town, but you can never tell which. And yet, it is inevitable that you get lynched pretty quick. If you're town, then it's a wasted lynch - really, not much comes out of it. If you're scum - well, I feel sorry for your buddies, but it still doesn't help me find them, 'cause they're smart enough to run away as soon as they see you playing like this. I just feel like its a waste of a day, but keeping you around is always unwise.. (lylo situation + player like you = fail)
Might I make a suggestion? You seem to be a reasonably intelligent person. Try playing less games. Maybe go back and play a newbie game or two. Slow down, and think about things. You'll probably find decidedly less D1 lynches, and decidedly less people disliking you. Of course, I'd say you're probably going to ignore all of this, insult me, call me scum, maaaaybe vote me, and then rage in general, claim something, and get lynched.
But I would like to be surprised...
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He just votes me me because he "Do(es)n't like my posts". He goes to a slight clarification by mentioning things I've done, slightly misrepresenting me, as I see it (perhaps point of view here on the terminology of 'random vote').fate wrote:To everyone else, here is my reasoning for belief that Fate is a necessary lynch, and possibly scum, all the way through:
Vote: Azhrei
Don't like his posts. He attacks farside for a random vote, and then, seemingly out of nowhere votes me to get me to post?
After another post responding to myself (not going to quote it here, it's rather large, and this post is getting big as it is, and I responded to it earlier) and a somewhat insulting post at Esurio's stuff up regarding votes, he just suddenly drops his entire aggression on me, in favour of attacking, well, half the players in this game.
Fate wrote:The wagons on Seven, Vaya, and Pwnman are all based off people disagreeing with their playstyles. (Cautious, Lurking, and BW fearful respectively)
Fate does not approve.
eally, really is the important part. The best part is when he asked Esurio to make a case for him.
"You're scum!"
"Why?"
"You tell me!"
"Oh, I think I'm scummy because *insert reassons here*"
"See! Even they think they're scummy, look at all of these reasons!"
I'll admit, this would be a stupid gambit to try and pull, but I could see Fate doing it. And it just doesn't fit a townie to try it. Well, not a person playing in the best interests of the town, anyways. He follows up the indignation towards this with:
More and more this smacks of "I just don't have anything and I'm trying to get a bandwagon on you without any reason." It just seems, well, stupid play, to me, for both townie and scum.
From here, he seems to denigrate into petty insults and acting like he's better than those he disagrees with.
For his second last post, he does rally up a little, and at least give it a go, but he still don't seem to give an in depth reason as to why the things he's talking about make Esurio scum.
Gosh, I think that's about everything. In summary, I think that Fatye is either bad-town or bad-scum, and either way, a worthwhile lynch. THis is the most risk-free time to dispose of him, there's a halfway decent chance he's scum, and even if he isn't, he's too big a liability to keep on our hands. Now, I know there are people who disagree with that sort of playstyle, but unless they show me someone who they can show to have a better chance of being scum, I'm staying with Fate.
Have you ever played one fucking game with me? Do you know how it turned out in the end? How do you know I'm such a "terrible player." Why do you assume I can't handle the amount of games I'm in?
Then you condescendingly offer me advice. I've never been lynched on D1, and for you to assume that shows how uncivil you're being. Telling me to go back to newbie games? Do you know how long I've been playing mafia?
You go onto insult my intelligence. "This would be a really stupid gambit for Fate to pull, but I can see him doing it." You don't ***ing know me.
You go on to insult my play, "bad-town or bad-scum." Therefore I am the necessary lynch.
Let me sum this up for you: You're tunneling someone because you hate them, their playstyle, and because they're dumb. When you don't even know if any of that is true or not.
This does not warrant a vote. This warrants a borderline modkill. I also refuse to contribute to a game in which players attack each other personally. We can have a civil game here. This will be my last post until Azhrei gets his act together.
Sorry town. I'm not going to be involved in a "game" that makes me feel real anger. That defeats the definition of a game.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Thank you Tony. I didn't mean to come across as "calling for a modkill," I just wanted you to remind him of the rules.
You're still not reading the game if you think I have taken no stances or had any opinions besides voting you. If you want to stand by this quote, ISO me, quote all my posts, and show how they lack stances or opinions (the recent ones, anyway).esuriospiritus wrote: Note that it is five pages after our back-and-forth began, and he still has blatantly failed to answer most if not all questions I have thrown at him in an attempt to make him take stances or form opinions other than "esurio is scummy lol".
@Pwnman: I swear you voted me. It read: "Vote: Fate", then, "Convince me otherwise."
Now that I ISO you the content of that post has changed to you unvoting and then threatening me to convince you, otherwise...
I suppose I'm going more insane than I already I am.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Irony is irony.Starbuck wrote:Also Iam, you seem to be pretty up in arms about an RVS vote (something that you could have easily looked up yourself via iso), what's with the overreaction?
You just devoted 3 posts, a link of proof, and suspicious questioning of Iam whorealized it was a random vote and clearly stated such.
Who is overreacting here?Starbuck, why are you voting me? You're getting on Seven's case for supporting bandwagons without voting,and yet you're still sitting on a random vote that,as far as I'm aware, you don't have any reason for. Something doesn't add up there.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Hmmm my vote is getting restless.
FOS: Starbuck & Seven
So you two, we're nearing the deadline, feel like throwing a vote down yet? Unconventional playstyle or not votals are a powerful scum-hunting tools. A way to combat this is to vote more conservatively.
Don't be afraid to vote. Voting does not=lynch. It shows the rest of town where your line of thinking is. So far of both Seven and Starbuck the only thinking I've seen is: sit back, respond to questions asked to them, post summaries/analysis of players, minor suspicions, etc.
You're sitting on the sidelines like an observer, "oh he did this, s/he said that. That can be seen as scummy etc." and not playing the game, i.e. "I'll vote X, seems like a good direction to go in. X's responses make me more/less certain, etc."
I said this before, as this just might be a difference of playstyles (hence only a FOS), but you're going to need to throw down a vote before the day ends. You have to take a stance. Also Starbuck looks worse of the two, as Iam noted she was on Seven's case when she is essentially playing the same was as Seven.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Don't put me in the same boat as Vaya. Just because someone sees something the same way as mean, it says nothing of their alignment. I haven't seen anything Iam has posted as particularly scummy, but that doesn't make him town by default. Farside and Iam are in the same category for me: good players. They are good at looking town-valuable for both alignments-and can only be read effectively after several days of Voting history and NK choices.esuriospiritus wrote:Is it just me, or has there been a lot of subtle buddying between Fate and Iam?
That said "Town" needs to come together at one point or another and consolidate their targets, and agree with other's cases in order to move forward. No one is agreeing with me on ES, so I have to concede and move over to another suspect.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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It isn't a doublestandard. I stated my views on the bandwagons, I took a stance against them for the reasons I stated. I was not defending those players as town.
You defended Vaya by interpreting something another person said in a particular way. This is up for much more interpretation than my strong single stance. You could have said "I think it was a misrep" as a way to defend someone more subtly than Vaya's defense of you.
Tell me why you still think my #93 is a defense of any of the players mentioned, and not a stance taken against the wagons at that time. Even if you continue think it is, you have to agree it is much different than what you did.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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For strawmanning who? How do you explain not noticing Iam saw your vote was random?Starbuck wrote:Vote: Fate
For strawmanning and some elaborate Jason Voorhees action
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12 pages and you are arguing about something as small as an RVS vote? Interesting.Also Iam, you seem to be pretty up in arms about an RVS vote (something that you could have easily looked up yourself via iso), what's with the overreaction?Also it was done here...
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Your behavior regarding "something as little as a RVS vote" is odd. The fact that you still had a random vote this late in the game shows your unwillingness to take stances, as well.Iam, that's still my RVS vote.
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I'm on Starbuck now. My ES case won't be relevant again unless I vote her again. Needless to say, I think Starbuck looks worse than ES at this point. With ES and me possible being bickering town over minute points.Azhrei wrote:Fate, could you please respond to the part of my 211 that's directed at you? I would really like to know your case on Esurio, and I still can't find it.
Vaya, something is still giving me a bad feeling with your posts. I'm going to reread you when I have a screen bigger than a pancake, so later on tonight. (Stupid school netbook).
Starbuck, the last two pages of your play confuse me. I think I will also reread you. You've overreacted to Iam's questioning on your vote (which was reasonably docile), and voted for... well, not much. Why?
I apologise for the brevity of this post, I'll post something better later on.
Speaking of bickering: ES I never changed the definition. A defense in my eyes has always been a defense in my eyes. Soft defense or not, it has been noted. You can argue till you're blue, but it won't change that in my mind you defended Vaya by interpreting Jeromus' words a certain way.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Agreed to disagree.
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Keeping your vote on a policy lynch for the rest of the day and hoping for the best? WHAT?
What do you think of Starbuck and my vote on him?
What do you think of Vaya doing nothing but defending himself?
What do you think about Seven who still hasn't thrown down a vote?Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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What the hell? I leave the thread for a day or two, and everyone hops on the easy lynch and outs our Tracker/Watcher whatever the hell?
Iam, if you think scum are bussing D1... I just don't know what to say. The way this wagon formed there's no way he's scum. We have two "inactive targets" Pwnman and Bv130. Unless they are both scum, you can bet your ass scum would jump on the "townie inactive."
Major FOS: People jumping on Pwnman wagon
Time to re-read, though, as Starbuck wasn't on that wagon. (Not that all scum were, but I'm sure to find scum on the wagon).Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Holy **** 12 pages and the only leads you have are the two with the least posts?Seven wrote:I don't believe pwnman right now, but if we lynch him right away we have no leads on his buddies. I don't have a scum read on SB either right now. I can't say I agree with her but she's feeling pretty neutral. I would like to consider BV. I'm going to read his ISO and I'll comment tonight after pwn posts.
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Based on this I would not mind a last minute Jeromus train. He was also one of the later ones on Pwnman's terribad wagon that forced him to claim.jeromus wrote:@Fate - HAND of suspicion? Okay. Show me how you use your whole hand to present suspicion!
We still have that "Lynch" thing to do. Really, we need everyone to post their thoughts now - As I shall do now.
Pwnman - I'm unsure of you. Your claim makes me reluctant to support your lynching - But I still thought you were a tad suspicious in that you only posted once at L-1, along with your post in response to me asking your opinion, stating not your suspicions, but simply stating the two other bandwagons.
Az - Based on other games, and, y'know, having known you for 4 years - I'm getting town. Aggressive, obnoxious on occasion, town, but town.
Seven - Your stance appeared odd at first; even scummy, but as the game waddles along, I'm finding you more and more town.
Farside - Look...I've really got nothing. You say a lot of what other people say, only badly phrased, but it's hardly a solid tell.
Iam – Has done nothing to offend as yet – Is good at saying what everyone else is saying and what everyone else is clearly thinking, but that might be the BW spam in this game getting to…Well, everyone.
Starbuck – Look, Iam was really not getting up in arms about that; that claim was hardly valid, but other than that, you’ve been neutral.
Esurio – I like you. Your prose and your play both please me and I get critical town from your play.
Fate - Fate...I'm sorry, I just dislike you. Your play frustrates me; and it still appears quite scummy to me, with your "No...YOU tell me why I should vote you!" case. I'd say you're pretty high on my scumdar, for your unorthodox and, what I believe is illogical play.
Bv310? - I've got nothing. Try posting. Please, I beg of you.
Wolf - You're a whole heap of neutral right now. I've got no bad feelings on you, ETC. which bothers me, for that's the perfect situation for the scum to be in; but thus far I have nothing.
Vaya - You're also neutral, perhaps even pro-town. You don't post much, but when you do, your logic is sound and your posts contain appropriate and valid content. Keep that up . But change your gorramned avatar.
Gah, too many neutral reads!
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Don't look at the claim. Look at his wagon, the people on it, how it formed.bv310 wrote:I still don't know if I believe Pwnman's claim, if only because the power seems really strange, and the way he presents it seems like he's either whining or REALLY trying to convince everyone.
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At least we can agree on something Azhrei.
No Jeromus, I didn't ask you to post a case on yourself. You already did with that abysmal player list...
Farside has poor grammar? That's a new one. I'd like to remind you of Rule 16 before you say any more...Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Jeromus, that's nothing new. You should have voted me in the last post, where in your whole list of players of people that were neutral, and pwnman who you were unsure of, etc.
I was the only player that was "high on your scumdar" yet you didn't even vote me until I voted you.
Play being frustrating does not make me scummy. You'll have to have better reasons than my "make a case on yourself" post to ES, which I have yet to do again with another player (apparently no one but Iam sees the town reasoning behind this).
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Deja vu? It was self-explanatory. Votes often are, or should be. Especially when a post is quoted. It also let Azhrei post his own reasoning for voting you rather than just piggybacking on to me, thus earning town points for him in my eyes.
"We just need a lynch." Agreed. However scum use that reasoning far more often than town just to push a mislynch through. Especially when a pwnman flip is barely going to tell us anything than "oh scum bussed him" or "oh he was bad town" with the former being much more unlikely for reasons I already stated.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Azhrei you're missing the whole part about how lacking his town list is. He has only one suspect, me, and he doesn't even vote me. He's content with the pwnman lynch that is already in the works, rather than trying to start up a Fate lynch (since I'm scum in his eyes).Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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So my crappy scumhunting which netted a vote on Jeromus... the same person you voted... ergo your scumhunting is crappy as well?
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Also Watchers target people likely to be town, as Watchers see who visits them (unless it is the other kind of watcher that sees if the person actions or not), so yeah...Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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At Seven by the way.TonyMontana wrote:The BaM Ruleset: (stolen/modified from Xyl)
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We have about 8 hours or so. Sit and wait for the gallows? That's always pro-town.
You going to claim, or will you be around before the deadline in case you're put at L-1?Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Well I'm lockeng up and going to bed now. Hopefully I don't sleep through the deadline, but:
If Jeromus goes and claims 'nilla like I predict, then I'm fine with my vote where it is. If he claims Cop or Tracker or something... well I just hope we have enough people on to make a good decision/start up another wagon, or something.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Morning town. I assume we can get past badgering me and calling my methods ineffective?
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Feel even better about this after Seven's flip.
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Right, I read your last post as "Vaya didn't suspect Jeromus except for early on in the day."
But now that I've re-read it I see your suspicion of him is based off him following and not having any real suspicions.
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Probably didn't make myself clear:
I thought you were voting Vaya for an early distancing attempt, which would have been impossible, but you are voting him for other reasons.
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@bv130+Wolf: Aren't we little balls of helpful sunshine? Have anything else to add to the game besides flavor discussion? No votes from either?FoS: Aforementioned
@ES:It seems to me he was posting more based on how likable people's playing personalities were with a few nitpicks on playstyles than any known alignments.
ES ES ES... I try to not tunnel you and this is what you give me? A blatant damage control? He DID know alignments, so saying "he was posting based off people's personalities" is just trying to misrepresent him. His role was to help the mafia from the shadows, so I'm sure we can find that in his posts.@iam: Curious as how you could have read Jeromus in iso and not so much as mentioned all his Vaya-buddying. Not sure it warrants an FOS, but it is noted.
The second quote is even MORE damage control+Hypocrisy. You admit ES buddy'd up to you, (I didn't see one post of yours stating how "uncomfortable" this made you) but then you use him buddy'ing up to Vaya as an attack against him?
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Yeah I would mind. What do you think of Jeromus' defense of ES?Azhrei wrote:Hey Fate... You know how you said your case on Esurio wouldn't matter unless you voted her again? Well, yeah. Would you mind recapping on your D1 suspicions of her and their reasoning? Also, I really, really don't like how you claim not voting at the start of the day is a scum-tell. Please explain why not voting is inherently scummy.
Wolf, I'm liking your long post. I can see where you're coming from, and I really don't see any flaws. Except for the part where I don't read Esurio as scum :/ When I have some time, I'ma reread. Again :/
Oh, also, might I just note, Jeromus does tend to be... well, eccentric is the best word I can think of, so I'm not sure how much we should take from his interactions. And just to clarify, all his insulting me really is just friendly banter, and nothing is meant by it. Well, insofar as I can tell. He doesn't really hate me xD
When did I say not voting at the start of the day was scummy? I FOS'd Wolf and Bv for not contributing anything in their first posts, but nice misrep.
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From the newbie queue. Foreshadowing ftw...I need a replacement for pwnman in Newbie 918. We're on Day 1, page 9.
pwnman was an SE in this game, so I'd prefer an SE replacement to fill the spot if possible. Please shoot a PM to me if interested. TIA.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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(Hey Bv130 while you're here, who do you think is scum?)
@Starbuck: We clearly were both on you end of D1 before Jeromus. Do we have to restate reasons every single time we vote for you?
@Az: I was calling something else, them not contributing, scummy. Not just the fact that they didn't vote in their first post. You haven't the foggiest? Still? Well then, good sir, your, your play style of not having a clue after a scum flip D2 frustrates me.
Also I think you would have learned to accept mine by now. Isn't that what got the most "content" out of Jeromus? If it turns out Jeromus was indeed defending ES against me, wouldn't my play style have caught two scum?Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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1. It isn't a cop out if I already gave the reasons.Starbuck wrote: Absolutely.
I think voting for someone and then stating you have to re-read to make sure is a definite cop out on giving a reason.
2. Iam+Fate buddying? Last time I checked here are the two prime examples of buddying:
Es+Jeromus: Jeromus defends ES and goes so far as to vote her attacker (me). Jeromus calls ES critical town
Fate+Iam: Iam explains the possible town-motivations behind Fate's play. Iam seems understanding of what Fate is doing. Iam does NOT vote Fate's attackers. Fate says Iam is a good player, and is difficult to read. Iam and Fate agreed on Jeromus' lynch, seeing the same scumtells. Iam and Fate agreed on Starbuck's tells.
So if people are ever together on a lynch they are buddying? I'm not quite sure I understand this position other than, "well don't vote me for buddying when THEY WERE DOING IT TOOOO"-paraphrased ES, which is a scummy position to take.
Also, my thoughts on Vaya? I was thoroughly disappointed when he wasn't vigged last night. Maybe he's a Bulletproof or something. Other than that, looking forward to his eventual replacement along with Pwnman's. (oh wait this is BaM...damn)Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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