921 Space Quest Mafia (officially Mod Abandoned)

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Vote: Dramonic

Maybe he doesn't suck anymore, but I doubt it.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Vote: Dramonic

Maybe he doesn't suck anymore, but I doubt it.

Is this actually justified?
I played 1 game with you (unless you include that game you died night 0)

Yes.

Hey! I actually had never even heard of Space Quest before joining this game. Can anybody explain me what it is?

Link

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Before I forget: What is everyones experiance with SpaceQuest before? I know a few of you already answered but i want everyone to answer. I myself have played a demo of the first game and thats pretty much it I'm afraid to say

I've played a little of the early games and most of Space Quest 6: The Spinal Frontier (I'm a master at Super Stooge Fighter 3 [

See that, hit that

]).

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

@ortolan: How is DDD town? Likewise, how are Mordy and Spambot scum? I see no reasons for why you should suspect either of them or think that DDD is town.

The how is the mod sent me a town based PM, that is how I'm town. You want to know the "why", not the "how".

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Q: Why isn't dramonic dead yet? What is wrong with you people?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

This game needs more discussion (Yes I'm aware of the irony of saying that.)

Unvote; Vote: Dramonic

Why pick Dramonic?

Do you have a reason why not?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Unvote, Vote: ksen

His scumlist looks like he just read the wiki for the first time and applied what he saw there without any thought. I'm going to assume he's slightly smarter than dramonic and that he's capable of some critical thought. The fact that he didn't use any suggests scum to me.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

...look, I don't like you either, doesn't mean I disrespect you every other post. Make an effort please.

I am making an effort, to harass you into making a mistake I can lynch you for.

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Unvote, Vote: ksen

His scumlist looks like he just read the wiki for the first time and applied what he saw there without any thought. I'm going to assume he's slightly smarter than dramonic and that he's capable of some critical thought. The fact that he didn't use any suggests scum to me.

I am interested in seeing your scumlist at this point in the game. I'd also like to see a bit more criticism than OMGUS!. What are your specific criticisms of each of my reads?

How is it OMGUS? I was buried in the middle-bottom of your scumlist.

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V/LA through Sunday

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Because you're just trying to copy paste tells you read there and twist a situation to fit the mold. You probably don't even find it scummy yourself.

Wow, what just happened here? You actually adequately explained that point that three other people couldn't think of, I'm floored.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

How is it OMGUS? I was buried in the middle-bottom of your scumlist.

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V/LA through Sunday

It's OMGUS! because you are saying "It looks like you used the wiki, OMGUS!"

Please post a list of everyone playing with your thoughts on them.

OMGUS is when you vote for someone simply because they vote for you. If you'd actually read the wiki you'd know that, so that sort of refutes my point. But you've drawn my ire anyways so the vote stands for your failures.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

OMGUS is when you vote for someone simply because they vote for you. If you'd actually read the wiki you'd know that, so that sort of refutes my point. But you've drawn my ire anyways so the vote stands for your failures.

Let me get this straight. It's now obvious that I didn't use the wiki, which I didn't, but you are going to keep your vote on me anyways? Odd.

And this is my third request to you for a read on the players. Why are you avoiding giving a read?

Even if you didn't use the wiki your analysis was exceedingly shallow and simplistic. There's nothing technically wrong with it, but it suggests a distinct lack of thought in regards to scumhunting. As scum it looks busy and can't be argued with terribly much and as town it doesn't actually help find scum; hence such simple analysis is much more likely to come from scum than town.

Others have adequately explained why I have no interest in providing you with a full list of my reads.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Mrs Astro Chiken has been released!

3- ksen- (Debonair Danny DiPietro, Thebuttonmen)

?

Fixed

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Your name is so long you get 2 votes.

I approve.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

It is still kind of mind-boggling to me that talking about reads and trying to get others to talk about reads is seen as anti-town/scummy.

DDD, you said my reads were "techinically correct" and yet you still didn't like them?

Would you mind expanding on that idea?

If you suddenly voted me with no listed reason then I could properly say your vote was an OMGUS vote. That part wouldn't be up for dispute, but if I used it as a reason to get others to vote for you then I need to explain why it's a scumtell in this case and not just make the statement that OMGUS is scummy because there's nothing that's absolutely a scum or town tell.

So when you create a scumlist and litter it with things like, "bandwagoning" and "revenge voting" it's a shallow anlysis that is probably correct, but lacking in critical thought.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Unvote; Vote: ortolan

He wouldn't have pulled that stunt as a town role worth saving, hence either worthless town or scum. And frankly I have no interest in playing with someone who doesn't want to play.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Enough with the speculation regarding SK for now I think. Todays been entirely people welcoming Malt and agreeing it's an SK. It's much easier to look for associative tells from mafia rather then SK hunting.

Post more once I have a chance to look through D1 agian.

It's never too early to vote for ksen again.

Vote: ksen

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Have you read D1 yet? It's quite short and I'd much rather you read it before people start quoting / refrencing parts of it. Fresh mind and all that jazz.

Why do you have this tendency to make suggestions that tries to keep town from talking?

We've got a fresh pair of eyes, shouldn't we use that to our advantage instead of immediatly trying to bias him?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I'll be nice to Zang, my vote on ksen wasn't because he was a noob, but because his analysis showed a distinct lack of critical thought. Now you could suggest this is because he's a noob, but given I've seen noobs who don't have that problem and veterans who make the same mistake I don't think that argument holds up.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

So do you still think it is a newb vote?

no

You voted me for it being a noob vote; you now recognize it was not a noob vote, which begs the question, why are you voting for me?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

So do you still think it is a newb vote?

no

You voted me for it being a noob vote; you now recognize it was not a noob vote, which begs the question, why are you voting for me?

I didn't just vote for you because it was a newb vote, that was just a minor detail. I also voted for you because you thought that asking people for their reads is scummy which I still do not believe at all.

I never said that. I said I wouldn't provide a full list of my reads for reasons others had explained, but I never said requesting such a list was scummy.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

2. Your first reason was newb voting then you said but theres other reasons, now your saying the other reason is newb vote.

AND we just went through how it wasn't a noob vote at all and you agreed to that point.

This doesn't make sense

at all

.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Doombunny, why aren't you voting?

Spambot, why aren't you voting?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Better question; Spambot why aren't you posting?

In the last two weeks you've posted this,

I have no idea who is who after all these replacements.

There was ONE replacment; So tell me in those two weeks have you figured out who Malthusis is replacing yet?

We should wagon him.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

EBWOP:

And by in the last two weeks I mean he had one post within a 2 week time perioid, can we get a Prod on him?

My way would've been more fun.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Vig is far more common then SK.

Or at least equally common and flavor arguments for one over the other are nonsense.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I'd bandwagon someone, but there's no one besides TheButtonmen who has a decent amount of votes and I don't particularly want to wagon him.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I think he didnt appreciate my performance in Stratego Mafia.

Or any of the other games I had read; plus it seemed like I could rattle your cage to get a read.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

vote: DDD

This is a good lynch.

Vote: Kairyuu

Obvious ploy is obvious; you come in, (attempt to) lynch the one competent player who knows you leaving you to cruelly bat around the lurkers and Village Idiots as you coast to an easy scum win in the next couple days.

I shouldn't have to point out how laughably bad your main argument is; you saw me as abrasive as a JESTER, as in trying to get lynched; so now when you see me as abrasive as being a scumtell? Completely illogical.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Love the OMGUS and the self-importance. I want you lynched because you're scum, not because you're competant. Do I also detect a strawman? Why yes, I do. I pointed out that you seemed more abrasive than normal, and THEN I made my case. Try again. I'll even give you a hint. The points against you include your own admission that you wanted to force dramonic to make a mistake, so you can lynch him. This doesn't imply you give a damn about his alignment, it implies you only want him dead.

Wow and despite the fact that I desperately wanted dramonic dead I never placed a vote on him outside the RVS. But I said I wanted him dead regardless of alignment and I must have meant that completely and literally, there's absolutely no chance that statement was tinged with hyperbole and sarcasm. So instead of nonsensical meta your case is based upon a single statement I made that's backed by no other such statement or actions and is quite obviously not meant to be taken literally; have you really sunk this low Kairyuu?

Then there's the fact that you've not voted for someone based on an actual case at all this game, instead parking your vote on ksen for "failing," swapping to your scumbuddy when it looked like his lynch was inevitable, and then coming right back to ksen.

There is absolutely a case to be made for ksen and I did so you liar; the case isn't some generic "failing" but that his analysis lacked critical thought. Ironic that you suggest there's no case when I'd say the case just got that much stronger for the fact that he's willing to simply sheep behind you.

Also, people still alive who know me and who I consider competant: you, Doombunny, malthusis (aka everyone here who knows me). Possibly dramonic too, but I dunno if I've ever played with him. I want you lynched, and I'm calling them town. That's a bit of a disconnect, no? Try again. Thus far your defense is: OMGUS, strawmanning my case against you, and then trying to make yourself out to be the only one "competant" enough to "stand up to me."

Doombunny can barely tie his own shoes let alone scumhunt; I'll give you malthusis as a decent player, but you're crazy if you think either of them will both to buck your attempt to control the game. And if my defense is OMGUS it's because your case does in fact suck, nothing personal homie.

Try again. Alternately, you could save me the hassle of arguing with you by admitting that you're scum and self-voting, but I doubt you'll do that.

Why would I admit to something I'm not; you're not even trying to be sensible anymore, K.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

@DDD: I love it how you're mostly trying to discredit me instead of arguing against my case. Been a while since I've dealt with one this feisty. I'll get to my rebuttal later, as I'm rather busy now. Maybe next time you won't try a blatant lie as a defense, because that's going to bite you in the ass, hard.

Offer's still open on the scumclaim and self-vote. I wouldn't mind. Really.

DDD: Starts out way more abrasive than necessary, and quotes like this:

I am making an effort, to harass you into making a mistake I can lynch you for.

make it look distinctly like he has no interest in dramonic's alignment, so long as he can get a lynch. This is not a pro-town mindset. In addition to that, the entirety of D1 is filled with DDD voting based on players "failing" rather than being scummy.

This continues, as he jumps directly back to ksen on D2 for the exact same reasoning, and then only when I directly question him about being abrasive does he claim that he wanted to "get a read" from it.

Your original case consists of abrasiveness, a theory you spun out of reading a single post exceedingly literally, and my reasons for voting ksen. I have shown how the abrasiveness argument is illogical; how there's no actual evidence to support your interpretation of the post and that my reasons for voting ksen were legitimate. In conclusion, your case sucks and you are scum.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

PBPA? Ewwwww.

He asked for it. Besides. I'm rusty at wallposts and I need some way to get back to them.

I did no such thing; I merely shredded your pathetic excuse for a case and since you can't argue the truth you're going to try to make as much noise as possible to obscure that fact.

Oh and here I'll toss this out so you can save yourself sometime anyways; I'm not getting lynched, you may get me to L-1 but all those votes will then quickly disappear. If you want to save face you could start "hunting for my scum partners" (of which there are none, but I digress) and attempt to hurt the town in a different way, scum.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

PBPA? Ewwwww.

He asked for it. Besides. I'm rusty at wallposts and I need some way to get back to them.

I did no such thing; I merely shredded your pathetic excuse for a case and since you can't argue the truth you're going to try to make as much noise as possible to obscure that fact.

Oh and here I'll toss this out so you can save yourself sometime anyways; I'm not getting lynched, you may get me to L-1 but all those votes will then quickly disappear. If you want to save face you could start "hunting for my scum partners" (of which there are none, but I digress) and attempt to hurt the town in a different way, scum.

why won't you get lynched?

It's called a soft claim Zang, the purpose of a soft claim is so that you don't have to hard claim.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

except for the part where soft claiming is not really likely to block anything lynch-wise...

No, but it might head things off at the pass so there doesn't need to be a hard claim which

would

block a lynch.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Start posting people; this game is plauged by inactivity. At the moment all the "active" players are with Kairyuu, why is no one questioning him or the people in that group?

I did take him to task, everyone else ignored it.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

And would you look at that. The second I bring DDD back up he magically reappears.

See, I keep debating to myself whether this is some sort of genius plan to keep us both alive late into the game or if you got walloped upside the head with a brick sometime since we played last and the content of your posts is now being produced by the drool falling from your mouth and splashing the keys. Frankly I find the sinister motives of scum the most compelling and realistic however.

But I do understand your desire for my lynch today especially what with my soft claim and all. You've got to be absolutely terrified now that if we go to night that one way or another you're screwed.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

First off if you've got a problem say it; it's not my fault if you're pussyfooting around an issue and I'm not psychic enough for your liking. Second you lack any sort of standing to complain about my interactions with other players; if I don't have a problem and Dramonic doesn't have a problem and the mod doesn't have a problem then you're the problem.

I also take issue with you trying to dictate what is and isn't a valid defensive technique. Personally I've become quite frustrated with your repeated claims of "DDD is scum let's lynch him" despite the fact that I've eviscerated your case and you've done nothing to re-establish it or add significant points to it. If you're just going to ignore me and tunnel on me then it does nothing but frustrate me and make me not want to deal with you anymore.

I've reviewed everything I've said to you and the only thing I've said that might be out of bounds would be my last post which is born out of frustration with you and your tiresome behavior and if it has you that distressed then I apologize. BUT everything else I've said to you, as edgy and drenched in cynicism as it might be, is well within established mafia bounds.

tl;dr: Play better or adios, amigo.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I already addressed the points you raised against me; stop pretending otherwise, K. Though you’re right, I haven’t responded to SOTS yet. So here that goes.

Ok, the first points from smashbro_of_the_SSS consist of the same points that fail to make any sense to me. I open the game pushing excessively hard for a Dramonic lynch; at this point I’ve provided no reasons for the wagon and it’s the first three pages, does anyone actually think I’m going to get a Dramonic lynch under these circumstances? It seems like Kairyuu and smashbro_of_the_SSS actually think a lynch is likely at this point; that I really want Dramonic dead. Obviously this isn’t the case, it’s a way to get information during the low information part of the game; to see if anyone will jump on the bandwagon, attempt to appease me, or defend Dramonic.

Next smashbro_of_the_SSS brings up my soft claim which he overstates as claiming with “only” one or two votes on me. Besides being an exaggeration of the claim (it’s a soft claim, not a hard claim there is a significant difference) it also fails to take into account the entire game state. Despite the fact that there were only a few votes cast on me at that point, there were several more who expressed interest or willingness to vote for me and Kairyuu was busy gathering the votes together in his hilariously poor version of SpyreX’s unbreakable alliance. Frankly if I sit around and wait for what looks rather inevitable to happen, I’ll have to claim anyways; thus it makes sense to jump the gun and soft claim so as to attempt to make the inevitable not happen.

The point about ortolan is correct; I did not associate his early play with scum play until he admitted to attempting a strategic replacement which was both obnoxious and scummy and he was rightfully lynched for.

SOTS never really gives any thoughts about the D2 attempt to bandwagon ksen again, he only notes that it seems odd. TheButtonman had suggested in his post that we should stop pointlessly speculating about the second NK and get back to hunting scum. I agreed and attempted to restart the ksen wagon from D1, which he agreed would be a good thing to do; it’s all very obvious.

He also calls me out for my playstyle shift, but again the answer to that is obvious; there were no players who could or would respond to paragraphs of text early in this game, it seems pointless to me to write a book and have Zang respond with a one line post. K replaced in and he fired off actual arguments and knowing him I had no issue responding in kind.

tl;dr: SOTS offers a single valid point about my read on ortolan and the placement of my vote; it’s incorrect but it’s at least reasonable. The rest of his case is just noise where he doesn’t take a hard stance or is easily refuted.

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Other notes: I love that TheButtonman lamely following Kairyuu to the other big wagon when he’s the other wagon is somehow completely glossed over by Kairyuu and others. I also love how that I could’ve hammered TheButtonman or easily shifted to helping get him lynched when it became convenient for me to do so because I was under pressure and the fact that I did not do so has been readily ignored. There’s a fun little symmetry there. Sheeping to another wagon with no reasons to try and save your own hide = not reacting like scum would; sticking to your convictions when it becomes dangerous to do so = mighty scummah. Just another example where Kairyuu is out for my blood instead of being interested in objective analysis.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Unvote, Vote:Debonair Danny DiPietro

I'd rather it be tbm after his refusal to answer the question about his vote on ddd but I'm still fine with a ddd lynch and hopefully kairyuu will survive the night.

Why so you can hide behind him after my town flip, Zang?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I'm also glad malthusis and Dramonic have been completely allowed to drop off the radar; that was a sensible pro-town approach from the benevolent and genius leader of the mindless mob, Kairyuu. And of course lest we forget smashbro who showed up, served his purpose and disappeared back into that good night.

Personally I have Doombunny pegged as the vig/SK and he should kill Kairyuu tonight, huge possibility he's scum.

Zang and ksen are simultaneously useless and extremely scummy they should both be lynched before the game is over.

TheButtonman is town, a complete hack, but town.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Insert shameless plug for the restart of my mini theme which currently needs at least 1 replacement before it can go ahead.

Wow, what a productive post, scum.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Seriously, Kairyuu isn't an idiot and yet he showed absolutely no interest in trying to separate tone and role; something Doombunny did extremely easily, why do you think this is? He also admitted to having absolutely no interest in my soft claim; why is that? Because it works to his advantage to get the mindless hoard who were willing to follow them to lynch someone with a useful ability. SCUM.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Alright, well, it has been two days since I posted, but I didn't feel I had much more to add. My feelings toward your lynch, DDD, haven't changed. No matter what happens though, DDD, don't feel bad, your lynch will not be in vain. If you get a town flip, then looks like we need to question why kairyuu pushed it so much. True, you have been acting scummy, but it seems like he is a player who would spot scum and get it right, so if he's wrong about you, well, its something to look into. If you're scum...well, guess you might feel bad, but it would help the town.

Yeah, when you're instrumental in facilitating a town lynch its best to just do it and then get scarce; no need to actually make sure the facts warrant your vote. And it's extremely hypocritical of you to call me out for "acting scummy" and then position Kairyuu as the one responsible for my lynch after he used identical logic. But HE should've known better? What about you?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

well that was the hammer, so...

So you continue to not have to actually contribute anything, maybe you should just replace out since you apparently have no interest in actually playing this game.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

@DDD: See here's the thing. Your play was not pro-town, so I got you lynched for it. You can be irritated with me as much as you want, but that doesn't change the fact that you're dead. I don't plan to apologize for pushing your lynch even if you're town. You were acting blatantly scummy, and then tried to say that it was too obvious for it to actually make you scum. I didn't buy it, and apparently neither did 4 other people. Face it, "being suspicious of DDD" is not a scumtell.

You know what's even less pro-town lynching town aligned players, so what does that say about you? And here's the thing, you could call me an obnoxious, belligerent jerk in this game and I wouldn't argue; but that fact that you can't or won't differentiate that from scummy play is what indicts you as scum. It's the first lesson everyone learns when playing mafia; that you cannot conflate personality and role. I know you know that lesson and the fact that you completely ignored it is a massive statement on you.

As for my comment about my own game, it's Twilight. I have no reason not to post whatever I want about my game while I'm waiting for the mod to lock the thread and confirm you scum. It's not like I'm suddenly going to change my stance on you, or come out and say that I was stupid for wagonning you to a lynch.

And if it's twilight I have no reason not to post whatever I want mocking you for it. You've got valuable time here; your last chance to try and get something useful from me. Since you're still pathetically "convinced" I'm scum you'd think you'd try to use this time productively, to find my last scumpartner and whatnot. But you have no interest in doing that because you know I'll flip town, because you're scum.

@vig: If you have multiple shots (aka shooting Toon was not your only shot) you will NOT shoot tonight, ESPECIALLY if DDD somehow flips town. Doing so would put us directly in lylo (well, mylo, but still) if DDD is town, and would remove one of our two potential mislynches when if he flips scum.

Really, look at how pathetically he pleads for his life; he's scum, kill him.