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Because I hate buttonmen...farside22 wrote:
Why would you even suggest lynching someone that was imprinted then?elvis_knits wrote:I didn't vote him because I thought we were no-lynching. That's all.
And I don't trust him...
And I didn't like that little quickhammer imprint business.Talk nerdy to me.
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I really want to do this.SerialClergyman wrote:we'll have a scumbusting trio of awesome.
The thing you said about pronouncing farside town and nobody imprinting her is a good one. Although I started to think she was town when I saw her playing in another game.
farside, saw me die recently as scum. If she still thinks I'm playing the same this game... then I just don't know what to tell her. Nobody that has seen me play as scum recently confuses it with my town play.Talk nerdy to me.
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No...farside22 wrote:
Do you really read limerick as scum?elvis_knits wrote:
Because I hate buttonmen...farside22 wrote:
Why would you even suggest lynching someone that was imprinted then?elvis_knits wrote:I didn't vote him because I thought we were no-lynching. That's all.
And I don't trust him...
And I didn't like that little quickhammer imprint business.
Read my post about thinking maybe limerick is a patsy.
I was thinking maybe buttonmen wanted somebody else imprinted so that he can use a NK and blame it on somebody else.
I dunno. Honestly, maybe I am going overboard. And being paranoid. If you think I'm wrong, hey, I may be. The way limerick was imprinted just bothers me, with two votes in back-to-back posts.Talk nerdy to me.
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Okay, I think this argument is stupid. Let me know if this is what you're saying:CrashTextDummie wrote:I'm not terribly concerned about the "quick-imprint". If anything, it makes me feel even better about Limerickx as the imprintee. I see almost no incentive for scum to imprint one of their own in this fashion.
Scum would not quick imprint their own because it is so obviously scummy.
That's the "too scummy to be scum" fallacy.
Not a fan.
Plus, if they both were scum, the benefit of them both having an imprint, with no town people having imprints might be huge. It might be enough to win them the game, so it could totally be worth it. I don't see why they wouldn't go for it if they were both scum.
Why was he a lock? There are other people with 3-4 votes. I don't think it was decided.CTD wrote: As far as I'm concerned, Limerickx was a virtual lock to get imprinted after I put my vote on, so there was no reason for scum to pull a fast one.
This is a lot of crappy doublespeak if you ask me. You share my concerns about buttonmen but you're bothered that I brought up the idea of lynching him?CTD wrote: While I do share some of the concerns about TheButtonmen's recent play that Elvis has voiced, I certainly don't think it makes having imprinted him a problem that should be rectified by lynching him. It bothers me quite a bit that Elvis would even bring the idea up, much as it bothers me how strongly she's playing up the paranoia. The mechanics of this game certainly invite it (I've had my share of paranoia while mulling over who I was willing to imprint), but I think it's in the towns best interest to take it out of the equation as best as we can, not wallow in it.
I think that the idea that we can lynch somebody to prevent their imprint is an important point. If we think there are any shenanigans with imprinting, that is our last chance to right things. I'm not being inflexible here in my ideas, but I'm bringing up all our options and listening to what everyone has to say.
I actually thought farside's post was very good, and she draws good conclusions. I don't think it's naive. I wouldn't say that it's like the list for the firing squad or anything, you have to take the whole game into account, but her conclusions are good. Furthermore, they make me more suspicious that one or both of limerick/buttonmen is scum since I know I'm town and I am pretty sure SC is too.CTD wrote: Some other recent things I found interesting or problematic:
I think this is a rather simplistic and naîve way to look at things. Also, am I understanding this correctly, that you would reconsider your town-view on SC/EK/Soc if both imprinted players are town? (or am I mixing getting your town and scum reads mixed up?)farside22 wrote:My problem of the 5 people I find scum only 2 of the players are on each wagon.
KOC - on both imprint wagons
reck - on buttonman
ctd (mostly do to messiah) on limerick's wagon.
Now if buttonman is scum there is the 3 scum left I can lean on more (reck/koc)
If limerick is scum then it would be KOC/CTD
If both are town then I would look at those not imprinting either
SC/EK/Soc
Well then I'd have to go with the mostly option there if they're both town...CTD wrote: This one is in the same vein, but even more problematic:
The wagons being all town would make you scum. Also, would both Limerickx and Buttonmen being town make you reconsider your stance on SerialClergyman?Elvis wrote:Also, if I'm just being paranoid, and buttonmen and limerick are both town, I would expect the wagons to be all or mostly town.
Limerick and buttonmen being town would not make me reconsider SC. He is town.
CTD, you're right in a sense that we can't know exactly what's what until we get some more bodies or info... but that doesn't change the fact that it seems strange that it's the same 5/6 people on both imprints. That means half the game is imprinting, and half isn't. Don't you think that's ODD? I wasn't sure exactly what it meant, but I really think it means something, and I think we have to keep it in mind for later. We have to look back at it when we get more info.CTD wrote:Comments like these irritate me:
Elvis wrote:Of the six people voting for each imprint, we have 5 people occurring on each one:
buttonmen, limerick, KoC, farside, pug
That's pretty interesting that the lists are almost exactly the same.
If you find something that interesting, or so mindblowing you have to pull out the CAPS LOCK, why don't you share your own conclusions from whatever piece of evidence you're citing? At a first glance, I don't think there's anything substantial about these obvservations that will help us catch scum until we have some more bodies to work with, but by all means, enlighten me.SerialClergyman wrote:Wow. So it turns out, of those on that initial imprint push on D1 before DN was lynched, we have one confirmed scum, one confirmed town (starbuck) and EVERY OTHER VOTE OR NOMINATION barring one imprint from Reck all came from people who are currently on the Limerick imprint.
Essentially, whenever imprints have been decided, Serial, Elvis and Plum have been nowhere near those being imprinted.Talk nerdy to me.
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I'm pretty sure he's trying to make me look like his scum buddy, you know.farside22 wrote:I can't believe no one else see's the irony of what reck is trying to pull with his imprint at that time.Talk nerdy to me.
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The back-to-back posts still bothers me. I can see your pov, but it still bothers me.CrashTextDummie wrote:
That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that there was no reason to quick imprint Limerickx (in a scenario where Limerickx is scum with one or both of Pug and TheButtonman) because there was every reason to believe that Limerickx was getting the imprint no matter what. This is not like voting for a lynch where the guy on the block can talk his way out of it with a claim or a good defense and a quick lynch might have to be secured.Elvis wrote:Okay, I think this argument is stupid. Let me know if this is what you're saying:
Scum would not quick imprint their own because it is so obviously scummy.
Well, I've never liked buttonmen the entire game but was thinking he was town for the breaking strategy. A number of the scummy things about him have happend since he was imprinted, like him stringing us along has gotten more tiresome. Him saying that "nobody is getting pressured today this is bad" while he doesn't pressure anyone. Which is like saying "hey guys why don't you keep fighting with each other." Also his "vigging is investigating" comment has come since his imprint. And the quickhammer imprint. So I couldn't voice opposition to those things when they hadn't happened yet.CTD wrote:
I should have elaborated more. The thing I agree with you about when it comes to TheButtonmen is that he has been too passive since becoming imprinted, and that he wasn't really contributing to the towns efforts to imprint another player. And while IElvis wrote: This is a lot of crappy doublespeak if you ask me. You share my concerns about buttonmen but you're bothered that I brought up the idea of lynching him?
I think that the idea that we can lynch somebody to prevent their imprint is an important point. If we think there are any shenanigans with imprinting, that is our last chance to right things. I'm not being inflexible here in my ideas, but I'm bringing up all our options and listening to what everyone has to say.dofind that somewhat concerning, it doesn't change my opinion of him dramatically. Would I vote to imprint him if it wasn't already a done deal? Probably not (I've had a better feeling about Socrates ever since he replaced into the game). Is he the worst person to have an imprint? Not by a long-shot.
In principle, I don't mind the fact that you're bringing up the fact that we can lynch imprinted people as a last measure, but the vibe I get from your posts is "well, gosh, you guys imprinted a guy 15 pages ago that I'm not comfortable with anymore, have you considered lynching him?" You were in favor of his imprint when it went down, even though you didn't vote to imprint him. You were even in favor of going to night with just him imprinted. Shortly after he got imprinted, you started voicing doubts. These have now escalated to the point where you're cautiously contemplating his lynch. I get that people change opinions, but the way you've gone about it makes me feel like you're deliberately sowing confusion and paranoia among the town now that we've finally settled on imprints.
I'm not thinking of it absolutes either. I just think that scum are going to want to imprint scum and not imprint town. This is not a sure thing, obviously, and scum want to blend in to an extent and be hard to read... but as a general trend? Scum want scum to be imprinted. Scum don't want town imprinted. I don't see what's counterintuitive about that.CTD wrote:
Her conclusions are "all scum are on a scum imprint" and "scum only imprint scum". I'm simplifying a bit, but that's the basic gist of it.Elvis wrote:I actually thought farside's post was very good, and she draws good conclusions. I don't think it's naive. I wouldn't say that it's like the list for the firing squad or anything, you have to take the whole game into account, but her conclusions are good. Furthermore, they make me more suspicious that one or both of limerick/buttonmen is scum since I know I'm town and I am pretty sure SC is too.
I'm probably finding her post so problematic (and others similar to it) because it violently disagrees with what I consider a productive way to hunt scum. Why would you be willing to throw your own reads out of the window based on the one thing that scum can easily manipulate? It just feels incredibly counter-intuitive to me. I take voting and imprint patterns into consideration as well, but only once we actually have the information to judge them upon (read: dead people and revealed alignments), and then only as a supplement to my own reads.
I would give him a harder look then, yes.CTD wrote:
Socrates then?Limerick and buttonmen being town would not make me reconsider SC. He is town.
I am not misrepresenting the facts.CTD wrote:
You're severely misrepresenting the facts here. Only three out of nine people weren't involved in the imprinting of those two people. Of those three, one hasn't had an imprint vote on record since page 32. That would be you. Why would you consider the fact that some people weren't involved in the imprinting process odd, when you deliberately refrained from participating yourself?Elvis wrote:CTD, you're right in a sense that we can't know exactly what's what until we get some more bodies or info... but that doesn't change the fact that it seems strange that it's the same 5/6 people on both imprints. That means half the game is imprinting, and half isn't. Don't you think that's ODD? I wasn't sure exactly what it meant, but I really think it means something, and I think we have to keep it in mind for later. We have to look back at it when we get more info.
And no, I don't see what's particularly odd about it. But mostly, I don't see the point in trying to read anything into it.
We have 10 players alive right now. 5 players were on both imprints. That's half the town.
Why haven't I imprinted anyone today? Because I feel handicapped by the anti-elvis-and-SC sentiments, and the overwhelming support for buttonmen who I have huge issues with even if he's town. What I really want to do is imprint me and SC, and maybe farside. I haven't done it because I know it's a lost cause and will only enflame all the people who hate our buddying. I don't want the town to waste any more time on the elvis-SC conspiracy theory since it's a distraction.
I also feel a loss of confidence in myself after the starbuck lynch and was trying to just absorb a little more and let my opinions change if I was really going in such a wrong direction before.Talk nerdy to me.
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Almost everything he does bothers me, and it's hard for me to tell how much it is playstyle/personality difference and how much is scumminess.CrashTextDummie wrote:I don't have much to say about Elvis' rebuttal, only this:
Could you clarify what you mean by "like", please?Elvis wrote:Well, I've never liked buttonmen the entire game but was thinking he was town for the breaking strategy.
As an example... he seems to have a hold-your-cards-close attitude when it comes to the game. He hardly gives out any information or shares his thoughts. Now, some people play this way. I don't, and I don't think it helps the game to hold back your thought unless you have a specific reason why it benefits town to do so. But, some people honestly think it's better to be secretive. My problem is that I think it's much better for scum to be secretive, and I find secretive play scummy. And buttonmen is taking it to like a whole new level.Talk nerdy to me.
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Buttonmen, I would totally take those odds. LYLO with 2 possible suspects? 50-50 chance of hitting scum? Given all of the tasty information we have from player behavior throughout the game, I would totally take that. I don't see the problem. One reason is that if farside were one of the players who is possibly scum in a lylo situation, it would make my decision easy. She's probably town. Unless you think there's a huge chance farside is scum (which nobody is saying) then it's not a risk to imprint farside.
So, nobody wants to imprint farside except me and SC. A few people have refused and others aren't even posting (lurking so they don't have to comment).
This should make things easy for you guys. Either me, farside, and SC are the scum who have made a wild flailing gambit to get farside imprinted, or farside is town and the scum don't want her imprinted.
You decide.
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Nobody seems to care about limerick being quick imprinted, so I don't see why anybody would suddenly care if it happened to you. Everybody is saying they think you're town, so I don't see the huge problem.farside22 wrote:Limerick is right there is still the option of if I was scum and EK/SC was not scum there is 3 people needed to imprint and scum doing a quick imprint would look suspicious to many.
So as much as I can see SC's thought process I never consider scum to be dumb.Talk nerdy to me.
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Knight of Cydonia ISO 4 wrote:imprint farside22
Please explain why you imprinted farside in your catchup post then unimprinted farside later, blaming the imprint on VMD (like it was VMD's imprint, when actually it was yours).Knight of Cydonia ISO 8 wrote:unimprint: farside22Not as sure about you as VMD was.Talk nerdy to me.
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TBH, I didn't see much of a reason for him to want to imprint you in the first place... I don't think he mentioned you at all and then you were the only person he imprinted. Then he unimprinted while blaming the imprint on VMD... who wasn't the one who imprinted you -- he did.Talk nerdy to me.
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I'd also like KoC to man up and respond to my points, however, if he would like to be lynched tomorrow instead, he should continue to lurk to the end of day.
I don't mind anyone hammering no lynch, and I'll do it myself if needed later. There's not much incentive for people to post since nobody is getting lynched, so I'm not optimistic about getting info at this point. Just thought I'd give KoC one last chance as well as wait a little in case people want to say something.Talk nerdy to me.
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Why would you have vigged with 2 imprints, but not vigged with 3 imprints?TheButtonmen wrote:If we had imprinted two I would have shot Elvis, with three imprints vigging was too much of a risk.Talk nerdy to me.
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No...TheButtonmen wrote:7-3 -> NK from scum + Misvig -> 5-3 -> Mislynch + NK -> 3-3 = Town loses
If Scum got a NK and I misvigged it was LyLo with 3 suspects. As such due to the 3 imprints I wasn't willing to risk taking the shot as my scum read on Elvis is about 65-75%.
With 2 imprints, if there's a NK I didn't do I knew who was scum, three removed that certainty. Without that certainty risking putting it at Lylo wasn't something I was comfortable with.
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Scum don't get a kill unless they're imprinted with it.
So you're saying that you were worried that one or both of he other imprintees are scum AND would roll a killing role AND would use it.
So, who of the imprintees do you think is scum, and what were the chances of them getting a kill? Given that you got a kill already, the chances of one of hte others also getting a kill seem astronomically low.Talk nerdy to me.
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I'm not embarassed. If they're both telling the truth, I would say it's very unexpected.Socrates wrote:I don't know what to make of the whole clash between buttonmen and others, but the egg is certainly on Elvis's face about a second person indeed getting a kill.
If one is lying I would say it's buttonmen, because he went first. And limerick wouldn't fake a vig after buttonmen claimed vig if he's scum. It draws too much attention.
I also think these things are weird:
-adament about vigging, then decided not to
-said he would vig SC, and then today said he would have killed me
-says he was worried one of the other imprinters is scum who would use a NK, hasn't said who he thinks is scum of the other two... and yesterday he imprinted limerick and said he thought farside was town. So why was he so scared of them NKing all the sudden?Talk nerdy to me.
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I feel like that's why he said that he would have killed me... to throw off from a blocked kill on youSerialClergyman wrote:Also, it's possible that button did shoot me and farside blocked it.
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Buttonmen, please explain why you changed from thinking SC is scum, to thinking I am scum and SC is town to the extent that you would have protected SC and vigged me. What specifically happened that made this change for you?Talk nerdy to me.
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So what should we do about imprints from here on out?
I really liked the lynch, look at flip, then decide imprints plan we had going, but now that we've done imprints once they carry over if somebody is scum.
If all the people imprinted from last night are town, it's like nobody has powers unless we reimprint.
If somebody is scum their imprint continues.
I'm just trying to think of what our strategy is from here on out... help!Talk nerdy to me.
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I'm not sure what I want to do yet with imprints. I am not the best at strategy so I need to work with other people to arrive at a plan.
I don't know why you don't want an imprint farside. The whole "I'm afraid of being a patsy" thing could still happen to you. If you've been imprinted once scum can still argue that you're scum who got a kill imprint, lied about it, then used it another night. What I mean is, if someone dies on any future night you can still be suspected. And nobody really suspects you anyway except OMGUSSCUMButtonmen.
So... yeah. I think that people who have already been imprinted, AND who we think are town, should be first up to be imprinted again. Because it keeps the pool of possible scumkillaz smaller.
Farther than that, not sure what I think yet.Talk nerdy to me.
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Also, bumping so Buttonmen doesn't forget.
I'm not trying to be obnoxious, but I don't want it to get lost in the shuffle.
elvis_knits wrote:Buttonmen, please explain why you changed from thinking SC is scum, to thinking I am scum and SC is town to the extent that you would have protected SC and vigged me. What specifically happened that made this change for you?Talk nerdy to me.
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Hey so this answer is totally vague and not what I asked you for. You have said for some time that you think SC or me is scum. For a long time you wanted him dead. Now you have flipped to the opposite POV, and I want to know WHY you changed your mind.TheButtonmen wrote:
I don't get a super town read on SC, that comment was in response to Farside question of who I would have protected if I was a Doc and I've been fairly open in my opionion that I find you scummy I don't see why your suddenly suprised by it.elvis_knits wrote:Also, bumping so Buttonmen doesn't forget.
I'm not trying to be obnoxious, but I don't want it to get lost in the shuffle.
elvis_knits wrote:Buttonmen, please explain why you changed from thinking SC is scum, to thinking I am scum and SC is town to the extent that you would have protected SC and vigged me. What specifically happened that made this change for you?Talk nerdy to me.
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Buttonmen, you have posted twice since this and not explained why you flipped your stances on me and SC.
Please explain.
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Hey so this answer is totally vague and not what I asked you for. You have said for some time that you think SC or me is scum. For a long time you wanted him dead. Now you have flipped to the opposite POV, and I want to know WHY you changed your mind.TheButtonmen wrote:
I don't get a super town read on SC, that comment was in response to Farside question of who I would have protected if I was a Doc and I've been fairly open in my opionion that I find you scummy I don't see why your suddenly suprised by it.elvis_knits wrote:Also, bumping so Buttonmen doesn't forget.
I'm not trying to be obnoxious, but I don't want it to get lost in the shuffle.
elvis_knits wrote:Buttonmen, please explain why you changed from thinking SC is scum, to thinking I am scum and SC is town to the extent that you would have protected SC and vigged me. What specifically happened that made this change for you?Talk nerdy to me.
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He hasn't answered mine either. Let's kill him!farside22 wrote:Buttonman has out and out not answered the list of question I asked him yesterday.
Go team!
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farside, are you starting to think reck is town? Just wondering because you seem like you're trusting him at this point. My opinion of him is that I'm not hot on lynching him, although some of the old issues still stick out to me. Something about his manner is suggesting town to me though.
Anyway, I think KOC is likely scum too, and I will go for that lynch. However, buttonmen sorely needs atleast a bandwagon, and perhaps a lynch. Given the choice of lynching two scummy people, I would rather lynch the one who potentially has a NK'ING ABILITY.
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Going from two arthritic hamsters to one arthritic hamster doesn't seem like an improvement. We need all the arthiritic hamsters we can get!TheButtonmen wrote:Who's up for lynching one of the arthritic hamsters who power the server?Talk nerdy to me.
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My problem with not imprinting is that if we lynch KoC (which looks like a good idea), and buttonmen is scum, he still has his imprint from the previous night.
What I mean is, if we only imprinted town last night, not imprinting would be fine. But if we imprinted any scum last night, their powers will carry over, and town wont get any new imprints. So choosing not to imprint anyone, if scum has previously been imprinted, is just the same as only imprinting scum. Which sounds badbad.
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Buttonmen
Pug
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CTD
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socrates
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farside
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So I got a virus on my computer yesterday. I'm trying to get back into things. Can someone TLDR for me?
The exact people who are not voting are my picks for scum! Do I get a prize?socrates wrote:To the people that are not voting: Why are you not voting? Who is scum?Talk nerdy to me.
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Okay, this is what I think we should do:
We can lynch buttonmen and imprint nobody
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We can lynch KoC and imprint some people
My thinking is that since buttonmen is scum, if he is lynched, I would be fine with no imprints because I don't think farside or lim is scum. Therefore nobody should have an imprint (as only scum would have one and I don't think they're scum).
If buttonmen is not lynched, we need some town people imprinted to balance out what I think is a scum having a NK imprint.
I think buttonmen and KoC are both scum, but since buttonmen has been previously imprinted and KoC hasn't, the way we deal with imprints depends on which we are lynching.Talk nerdy to me.
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REPOSTING YET AGAIN PER THE SCUMZOR'S REQUEST:
elvis_knits wrote:Buttonmen, you have posted twice since this and not explained why you flipped your stances on me and SC.
Please explain.
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Hey so this answer is totally vague and not what I asked you for. You have said for some time that you think SC or me is scum. For a long time you wanted him dead. Now you have flipped to the opposite POV, and I want to know WHY you changed your mind.TheButtonmen wrote:
I don't get a super town read on SC, that comment was in response to Farside question of who I would have protected if I was a Doc and I've been fairly open in my opionion that I find you scummy I don't see why your suddenly suprised by it.elvis_knits wrote:Also, bumping so Buttonmen doesn't forget.
I'm not trying to be obnoxious, but I don't want it to get lost in the shuffle.
elvis_knits wrote:Buttonmen, please explain why you changed from thinking SC is scum, to thinking I am scum and SC is town to the extent that you would have protected SC and vigged me. What specifically happened that made this change for you?Talk nerdy to me.
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You know, it's been a long time and he hasn't done ANYTHING in this game. KOC would be a good lynch too. But I just loathe buttonmen and thirst for his blood. And if he's scum with a vig imprint, I really don't want him alive, even if KOC is scum too.xRECKONERx wrote:LYNCH KOC. NO IMPRINTS. THANK YOU.Talk nerdy to me.
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I do agree KOC is probably scum, but I think the same of buttonmen and he potentially has a killing role this night.
CTD, please explain to me why there is a better chance buttonmen is town.Talk nerdy to me.
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Then why would he say he got a kill imprint?CrashTextDummie wrote:By the by, the fact that Buttonman doesn't support the KoC wagon suggests to me that if he is scum, he probably didn't get a killing or otherwise majorly useful imprint yesterday. This is irregardless of whether those two are scum together. If he had the capacity to kill, I'd expect him to do more to avoid his own lynch.
I'm stating this for the benefit of the "ZOMG, we must lynch him first because if he is scum he will kill us at nite" crowd.Talk nerdy to me.
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The buttonmen lynch is taking a LOOOOONG ass time, so it's not looking like buttonmen is being bussed. KOC isn't even voting the guy and he could hammer buttonmen. Why woundn't KOC hammer buttonmen at this point. He has literally nothing to lose unless they're both scum, and KOC doesn't want to hammer the partner with a NK option.Talk nerdy to me.
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TheButtonmen wrote:@Elvis:Or KoC isn't on MS anymore. Yes I'm aware of the danger of him getting replaced and the replacment hammering if they are scum but if they do that when I flip town the town will be in a good place to nail at least one scum based of my wagon.MOD, have you prodded KoC, and has he picked the prod up?Talk nerdy to me.
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Strike the last post, I see he has been prodded on Sunday.iamausername wrote:-=CrashTextDummie, Limerickx, Knight of Cydonia and SerialClergyman have been prodded=-
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I understood your point, farside, and I don't always understand what you mean.
You were telling buttonmen that his reasoning for not shooting depended on one or both of the other imprintees being scum. And he never said he thought you or lim, were, so this shouldn't have worried him.Talk nerdy to me.
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The buttonmen was totally not willing to work with us and his reads are wrong from what I can tell. If he is town... oh well. I can't say it's any great loss. We didn't imprint today, so if there is a NK, then lim or farside is scum. But I don't think they are. So we should all be back here tomorrow. And even though there has been a lot of drama and hystrionics, we still have only mislynched twice is buttons is town. The game is not over as far as I can figure. We still have a good shot at this.Talk nerdy to me.
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I guess pug, or perhaps socrates.
Pug's lack of participation sucks.
Socrates replaced plum... and plum is a very tricksy scum player, so I think if there is a player who has been fooling us so far, it might be plum/socrates.
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