Mini #893 - Dollhouse Mafia (Game Over!)

[TheButtonmen]

How do you know if Limerick was honest or not?

It's possible farside is lying, but I don't think she is. She could have just said vig like the two of you, she went last, she knew she couldn't be disproved.

I don't know he's being honest, I am inclined to believe him though based on how/when/what he claimed.

In regards to Farside, as you yourself said, Vigs are decent lynch targets, by claiming Doc she protects herself from that and if a NK does happen down the line she would get the suscipon from being imprinted however people would initally go for someone who had claimed Vig which would give the scum the free march they needed to win.

[TheButtonmen]

I don't think there's much reason to claim doc in her position.

if a NK does happen down the line she would get the suscipon from being imprinted however people would initally go for someone who had claimed Vig which would give the scum the free march they needed to win.

But anyways, You had asked if people had ideas, that is mine. Do you have any thoughts on how to proceed?

[TheButtonmen]

Lynch Elvis or Farside?

IE: They are questioning my motives let me OMGUS vote on one of them.

A) Didn't vote, B) Reasons are more then OMGUS, C) Been vocal about my thinking Elvis is scum long before this.

[TheButtonmen]

Also if you buttonman were given a doc role what would be your first thought on receiving that as an imprint with 2 other players out there also imprinted?

Would have protected Serial Cleargyman. As the two other imprinteded have stated they wouldn't be vigging if they got it and scum know his alignment and if he's town they could have killed him and put a great deal of suspicion on me and probably gotten me me lynched.

[TheButtonmen]

Still waiting on button to comment on my points here that he seems to miss.

It's 1:12 am, the site is slow a bag of molasses in the winter, you just posted them and I've already worked through half of them, I'm completly confused as to the speed you expect me to be responding at.

[TheButtonmen]

Also if you buttonman were given a doc role what would be your first thought on receiving that as an imprint with 2 other players out there also imprinted?

Would have protected Serial Cleargyman. As the two other imprinteded have stated they wouldn't be vigging if they got it and scum know his alignment and if he's town they could have killed him and put a great deal of suspicion on me and probably gotten me me lynched.

Didn't you say last post about vigging was vigging EK?

No, no i didn't, Quote please?

[TheButtonmen]

Your comment about wanting to lynch either myself or EK looks OMGUS not do to a vote but do to both of us questioning you today.

Please stop trying to dictate who I can and can't be suscipous of. You find me odd/scummy/suspcious that's fine but I'm finding it odd that you keep questioning me changing my mind or finding certain people suspcious.

[TheButtonmen]

If we had imprinted two I would have shot Elvis, with three imprints vigging was too much of a risk.

Also why would you have shot at EK when all your post during day 3 was about shooting SC.

Except they weren't?

elvis_knits; She’s the reason I keep giving Serial a second chance as she set’s off my scummdar like no one else in this game and I’m fairly certain only one of the super buddies is scum. I think she’s scum

Not sure why yout posted that? You asked why I would shoot Elvis when all I posted about D3 was shooting SC, Which didn't actually happen so what about that exchange are you accusing me of now?

[TheButtonmen]

Your comment about wanting to lynch either myself or EK looks OMGUS not do to a vote but do to both of us questioning you today.

Please stop trying to dictate who I can and can't be suscipous of. You find me odd/scummy/suspcious that's fine but I'm finding it odd that you keep questioning me changing my mind or finding certain people suspcious.

You have to be joking? This can't be serious.......I shouldn't question your motives? I shouldn't question why you changed your mind or how you talk about vigging yesterday and just happen to get vig as a role claim today?
Your seriously wondering why I'm questioning with all this?

Please stop trying to dictate who I can and can't be suscipous of.

You find me odd/scummy/suspcious that's fine

but I'm finding it odd that you keep questioning me changing my mind or finding certain people suspcious.

Bolded for relevancy, Feel free to question my motives all you like or why I changed my mind, but stop dismissing my answers as OMGUS.

[TheButtonmen]

So far you have I went last but I pointed out certain things in the PM in a subtle way as again I was uncertain if scum would be told what person they were imprinted with and or a game to reference.

Quote where you "pointed out certain things in the PM in a subtle way" as I apperntly missed it.

Also why would you assume I had a tracker imprint when I said I had no investigation role?

You claimed to be able to catch me or Lim if we fake claimed and said you didn't have a investigative role, thus the only role what would allow you to do so was tracker/watcher.

[TheButtonmen]

Quote where you "pointed out certain things in the PM in a subtle way" as I apperntly missed it.

Didn't get a cop check. I want to hear from limerick and thebuttonman a bit since what I got had no investigation imprint and I want to see if anyone lies about their imprint before giving more details on how it works right this moment.

Not seeing where you ""pointed out certain things in the PM in a subtle way" in the above quote.

What reference where you given for your imprint?

Any chance you going to answer my questions any time soon or do you plan on continuing stalling?

I already answered that last night?

I was imprinted with Mcpaltp from Mafia 71

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6490

[TheButtonmen]

confirm vote: buttonman

I have asked you multitude of questions you have ignored thus far

If I was scum why would I not shot anyone if I was given the ability?

You posted that at 1:57 pm, You accuse me of ignoring it at 2:25pm. Twenty Eight minuets, thats how long I have to answer your questions? Its the start of the day, I'm being super active (really your claims of me ignoring your posts is quite laughable) desptite the site lagging / erroring like a sack of dog crud. You dismiss what I say as OMGUS for daring to question you and Elvis and repeatedly accuse me of ignoring your question.

So no I wasn't ignoring your questions, however that's a policy I'm revising.

[TheButtonmen]

Also, bumping so Buttonmen doesn't forget.

I'm not trying to be obnoxious, but I don't want it to get lost in the shuffle.

Buttonmen, please explain why you changed from thinking SC is scum, to thinking I am scum and SC is town to the extent that you would have protected SC and vigged me. What specifically happened that made this change for you?

I don't get a super town read on SC, that comment was in response to Farside question of who I would have protected if I was a Doc and I've been fairly open in my opionion that I find you scummy I don't see why your suddenly suprised by it.

[TheButtonmen]

My thoughts on KoC are that his post night lurking doesn't look good. Theres been ample material to comment on and the fact that he is just sitting back and watching us fight makes me hells of suspcious. And it's not that he's been absent from MS as he posted in Mish mash yesterday/today.

[TheButtonmen]

(if you'd really checked my posting for lurking you'd have seen this in my other Mafia game Button)

And it's not that he's been absent from MS as

he posted in Mish mash yesterday/today.

Worded it the way I did on purpose, you were active in your munchkin game

[TheButtonmen]

@Mod;

Scum's imprints stick around, but do they also stack? By which I mean can the scum becoming Vig x 2?

[TheButtonmen]

Who's up for lynching one of the arthritic hamsters who power the server?

[TheButtonmen]

mmm I almost want to crunch numbers now.

if we mislynch today and scum was imprinted

6-3
scum shoots
5-3
............
scum tries to create another mislynch with those already imprinted
4-3
scum shoots
3-3

unvote:
vote: buttonman

FOS: reck

Just have this bad feeling in the pit and crunching numbers.

Congradulations you just reposted the numbers I posted when explaining why I didn't shoot as it could very possibly end with town getting F'ed over.

[TheButtonmen]

Except when I posted them You thought I was scummy.

[TheButtonmen]

Imprint: TheButtonmen, Limerick and the Hamsters powering the server

Even if I'm wrong about him being town he already would have a NK, Imprinting him seems risk free.

I'd love to hear something from KoC, something more substantive then that he agrees with Lim and Recks.

@SC; Pretty jealous of you, been wanting to jump out of a perfectly good plane for a while.

[TheButtonmen]

@Mod

; Next week I'll probably be taking a day or thee of V/LA as first wave of midterms start up.

@Farside

; Alright I'll bite since you keep bringing it up, what is this list of questions I didn't answer?

@KoC

; You have to have something to say by now.

@Serial

; Scum can also talk during the day, not just the night.

@Elvis

; I find your claims about the not knowing scum didn't have a NK suspect partially because I find the logic of it suspect in a game with daytalking scum and partially because in your very first post you say:

Sometimes I only gloss over the rules and such, but I recommend everyone read everything, especially the game specific rules.

This really makes me doubt that you somehow missed that fact as you went out of your way to point out that there are game specfic rules and that we should read them.

[TheButtonmen]

So Farside just going to dismiss everyone who questions you as OMGUS?

[TheButtonmen]

So I got a virus on my computer yesterday. I'm trying to get back into things. Can someone TLDR for me?

Buttonman still not answering questions

You keep saying this, yet your not asking me anything.

[TheButtonmen]

Back sorry, extremely limited time the last few days due to me helping someone pack / move all in a 2 day period and the MS seems to get slower everytime I log in.

Longer post by tonight I've finally got the time to sit down and catch up.

@Soc, I'll vote when I'm done my reread of KoC (Shouldn't take long)

[TheButtonmen]

Appologies for long post.

To start off with I'll get this out of the way I, TheButtonmen, am an ordinary active.

After the reread of KoC / Skim of Vala I'm thinking I'd rather get a replacment / prods for the slot rather then a lynch as nothing really jumps out as being scummy however KoC has pretty said nothing outside of his summary posts so the sample size is quite small.

@Pug:

Shooting is a forminvestigating, you start the next day with their aligment known.Also what about me saying I would doc SC do you find strange?

@Farside:

If I was scum why would I not shot anyone if I was given the ability?

I got a NK, you think I'm scum so I ask you that question. As for why you wouldn't going into night there was a large consesus to your townhood and you knew that you wouldn't be investigated as the other imprintees had already said who we would investigate. Thus there was no risk to you biding your time.

What about my claim do you find false and reasoning do you find false

Your handling of how you claimed (saying you needed to go last and you could catch one of us lying) and that you said you hinted/bread crumbed where as I can't find anything of the sort.

See post 1419

What about it am I supposed to see? In refrence to why I didn't shoot I explained in the post you quoted,you yourself said that it was planning for the worse case, but to you it seemed scummy. I play by the numbers and try to avoid scenarios that can lead to town loss, this isn't new I direct you to the first part of the game as an example.

vAlso what case do you have against me to what to see me lynched that did not satisfy your questions thus far?

Boiled down it's; I don;t like the way you handled your claim and I don't like how you you reacted to both mine and Lim's questioning of you.

@Elvis

I did have questions for buttonmen, but I'm done trying to make him answer him. He had his chance. Now he should die.

Quotes or it didn't happen.

[TheButtonmen]

EBYOP: In my

@Pug

that should read, is a form of investigating.

[TheButtonmen]

@Farside

Who did you think before the night came was scum?

I thought Elvis was scum before night came.

why didn't you not say anything about said person being scum at that time

I did say it.

[TheButtonmen]

So Recks isn't making any sense what soever.

Why does he want KoC slot lynched, why does he want no imprint?

If he thinks I'm scum why would he be trying to get KoC lynched, I could kill tonight if I'm scum, where as there is no way KoC can kill tonight. What reason is there for not imprinting, Lim already got the Vig power if he's scum and Recks is sure Farside is town so what has changed?

[TheButtonmen]

REPOSTING YET AGAIN PER THE SCUMZOR'S REQUEST:

Buttonmen, you have posted twice since this and not explained why you flipped your stances on me and SC.

Please explain.

Also, bumping so Buttonmen doesn't forget.

I'm not trying to be obnoxious, but I don't want it to get lost in the shuffle.

Buttonmen, please explain why you changed from thinking SC is scum, to thinking I am scum and SC is town to the extent that you would have protected SC and vigged me. What specifically happened that made this change for you?

I don't get a super town read on SC, that comment was in response to Farside question of who I would have protected if I was a Doc and I've been fairly open in my opionion that I find you scummy I don't see why your suddenly suprised by it.

Hey so this answer is totally vague and not what I asked you for. You have said for some time that you think SC or me is scum. For a long time you wanted him dead. Now you have flipped to the opposite POV, and I want to know WHY you changed your mind.

Your question is flawed there was no flip in stance towards you and SC.

[TheButtonmen]

I also wonder why buttonman has gone from so town as to be imprinted to a solid lynch candidate.

A) Weird question considiring your voting me, B)I didn't really, Farside is voting me because I mentioned vigging yesterday and am suspcious of her, Elvis is just piggy backing on Farsides vote, no idea why you are and Socrate is voting me to end the day.

[TheButtonmen]

@Farside: Me getting the Vig imprint is a scum tell? I'd love to hear the logic behind that.

@Pug: The likelyhood of it happening doesn't really matter, the best move if I got doc was to protect SC by far as protecting anyone else doesn't carry the benifit where as protecting SC elminates that risk no matter how small you feel it is.

[TheButtonmen]

@Farside: Me getting the Vig imprint is a scum tell? I'd love to hear the logic behind that.
.

Tell you what, when you finally answer the question I asked 4 times and stop avoiding it I will answer this.
Till then.

The post you keep quoting has my answer in it, what about it don't you understand.

[TheButtonmen]

Hey, buttonmen, you're L-1.

Your point being? It's nice to see you scum all pushing for it so hard though, good team work!

[TheButtonmen]

The post you keep refrencing never mentions me thinking someone who was imprinted was scum at the time.

Side Note: The servers giving me much internet rage.

[TheButtonmen]

@Farside:

Frankly I don't see how anyone has a case on KoC, he hasn't done anything yet,, I'm suprised he hasn't been replaced yet actually. I'm agianst his lynch as I disagree with lynching a slot when theres still time in the day to get a replacment and for them to get up to speed and then see how they act with the slot.

@Recks

, The last time you posted something was more then one line and wasn't a varient of "Don't Imprint, Lynch KoC!" was on the 23rd. Can we get an explination behind why you feel so strongly KoC is scum and why we shouldn;t be imprinting?

[TheButtonmen]

Critisizing Reck but not KOC for lack of posting? Why?

Recks is still active, KoC has disapperd. Thus I'd like more content from Recks and a replacment for KoC.

[TheButtonmen]

Also yes the loss of the search ability is really quite a pain in the arse.

[TheButtonmen]

@Elvis:

Or KoC isn't on MS anymore. Yes I'm aware of the danger of him getting replaced and the replacment hammering if they are scum but if they do that when I flip town the town will be in a good place to nail at least one scum based of my wagon.

@Farside:

Why are you so agianst the fact that I found shooting unoptimal when the number of imprints went up?

[TheButtonmen]

If I was scum I would have a NK, why wouldn't I bus?

[TheButtonmen]

If I was scum I would have a NK, why wouldn't I bus?

Not a fan of this comment. At all.

Yes a great deal of WIFOM in that comment but I'm trying to get a understanding of where Farside is coming from with her comments about me not wanting to bus.

[TheButtonmen]

If I was scum I would have a NK, why wouldn't I bus?

I'm not getting into your WIFOM. But please feel free to continue to ignore my point all you like.

What point would that be?

[TheButtonmen]

@Farside:

How do you want me to respond to that? We clearly disagree on if I should have shot or not, I've made it clear many times my reasoning for changing my mind. I'm not going to suddenly change my mind just because you bring it up fourteen times.

[TheButtonmen]

Sorry, Not scum.

[TheButtonmen]

Before I get offed anything you guys want me to answer / speculate on?

[TheButtonmen]

Already said I was town post lynch.

Scum:
Elvis is strongest scum read by far, she piggy backed SC case vs 'Buck and cheered it on, now she done it agian agianst me with Farside.

Wouldn't be Suprised if they were:
Farsides whole case agianst me was that I changed my mind when the situation changed. She refused to answer most questions and dismissed any argument that didn't fit her case.

People that stood out:
Socrates voted me saying the day needed to end, around 2 weeks before deadline then promptly went back to lurking.

Serial's been lurking then popped into to ask why no one was suspecting Recks and wondering why I was the #1 lynch canidate then went back to lurking, the whole time his vote was on me.

Recks no longer gives a flying fudge about this game.

KoC needs a replacment.

And theres been a whole lot of coasting / lurking today.