Mini 904 - Narnia: LWW Mafia (Game Over)

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/confirm, as well as

vote: manho

Wait, I was replacing dana? That's surprising, I'm in another game with her.

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J.R., why would you put kiku at L-3 this early? A quick-wagon is not the best way to start this day.

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What are your thoughts on the discussion between Starbuck and Dybeck (and others) regarding whether Starbuck halted a quick-lynch?

At this point, I think the whole action is being taken way too seriously. I don't like how there was a stated wagon this early in RVS, but that's just playstyle I guess.

Sibelius, so far my attention has gone towards the lurkers, rather than the players. Honestly, the people posting frequently so far have been relatively good with their styles, and although I did find Starbuck suspicious before, I find the quick L-3 move less odd now.

If I can get on tomorrow, I'll try to read a bit more and come up with a real case.

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Honestly, the people posting frequently so far have been relatively good with their styles, and although I did find Starbuck suspicious before, I find the quick L-3 move less odd now.

When did you find Starbuck suspicious? Initially you agreed with her.

Regarding the quick L-3 move, what would you say changed your mind?

I didn't like that she called it scummy to have an L-3, but I didn't like having anyone at L-3 this early, especially in RVS. It just seemed that there was too much opportunity for it to go bad, but Starbuck whiteknight-ing the cause seemed like an attempt to build town cred without having to do anything all that pro-town.

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Also,

Unvote: Manho

Looks like RVS ended earlier than usual.

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Sorry about that.

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Heil, I didn't say she was scummy, just that I found her reaction a bit over-the-top.

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After re-reading, it is considerably less whiteknight, so much as semi-overreaction.
Post 38 is when you say that you're not comfortable at L-3 (which I agreed with at the time. It seemed too early to be in the neighbourhood of a lynch).

Then in 47 you seem to be overreacting to an FoS by Wolf, which isn't entirely unjustified as it does seem a bit strong.

Then in 52, your conversation with Dybeck seems really accusatory and an attempt to draw discussion away from yourself.

In 63, after you state how many games you've played on here, you ask how it could possibly be seen as scummy for you to halt a quicklynch, when most of the people not voting were the ones who wouldn't hammer. Experience should tell you that.

In ISO, this all seems blown way out of proportion for what happened. Also, Papa Zito's posting so far has been erratic at best. Leading the town, tunneling, and just plain blowing off several points is really not a good thing.

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Call it whatever you want, my opinion on you has changed.

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meta tells me to overlook her for now.

Explain this plz. What about meta allows you to give carte blanche to another player?

Not Voting (4)- kikuchiyo, bv310, manho, Grandi

Vote people.


Man, posting from the PS3 is way too hard. Stupid dead laptop.

Deadline's not until the 26th. I see no need to force a vote right now, not while there's still a bit of discussion going on.

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As you didn't say anything about it, I'm assuming that you agree with my assessment of your play thus far?

I went back and tried to reread myself unbiased, and it does seem pretty wishy-washy, even to me. I still think my vote there was right, but putting it back now seems even MORE wishy washy. I'd like to see Star's answers to some questions that have been posed to her before I make up my mind.

Not voting means you don't think anyone is scummy. At least one person must be scummier than the rest to everyone. Not sharing that information with the town is, well, scummy.

So far, Starbuck and PZ are the most scummy to me. I think my opinion of Starbuck right now is more just based on eveybody else's reactions to her.

PZ on the other hand, seems really scummy by trying to lead the town. It's annoying to play with someone who always tries to lead the game, and most players that lead are usually scum.

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To me, the way PZ has been leading seems scummy. Maybe I'm just reading too much (or too little) into it.

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I don't have anything new to bring because I haven't seen anything new to bring. The last couple pages have been rehashing the same basic points. The only new thing in the last two pages has been Dybeck's point on PZ's following, which is good, but not really a whole lot to go on, until PZ responds.

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Rumblebuffin

Are you really trying to claim the most obscure Giant in Narnia as your role? (Yes, I looked it up)

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Maybe I exaggerated a bit with "the most obscure", but I somewhat doubt that a Giant who plays such a minor role in the book would be included as a character in a 12 person mafia game. I'd expect things like Peter, Lucy, Tumnus, maybe Mr and Mrs Beaver, but not Rumblebuffin. (Note: I haven't read the book in a little while. May be time to bust out the collection)

As for the voting, I haven't voted because I was waiting for a real case to be made. As it is, the case against Starbuck is pretty good, but I think there's a good chance that she's actually just a very lazy townie.

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I think I trust Dybeck here. Star's play has just been going down over the course of this day.

VOTE: Starbuck

Note that this is L-1, according to the vote count. You may want to try again on the claim.

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Manho, if you want Starbuck lynched why haven't you switched your vote yet? You defended her, then abruptly switch to "we need to lynch her", so why hasn't your vote changed? Trying to bus from your scumbuddy without putting her back at L-1?

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Which request?

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Wasn't sure which question you wanted me to answer, so I found any that seemed like they were important.

Also

vote Bv310

He has not come up with a case on his own, just going off of dybeck. He wouldn't vote for Starbuck before, especially when it would have been a hamme,r but he has no problem voting her back to L-1.

Correct. I originally got a vibe off her Rumblebuffin claim of possible power role trying to vanilla claim in order to avoid a lynch. It was her subsequent attempt to derail any real questioning by calling me and Dybeck out on how well either of us know source material that made me think she was scum trying to vanilla claim.

A case that rests on a less-than-significant action and a choice of words that might be questionable is a good case?

I wouldn't call her actions less-than-questionable, not by a longshot, but in her claim, she made this a much more legitimate case.

Two questions:

1. Why do you trust dybeck as much as you claim?
2. What has recently changed in Starbuck’s play to make you more willing to cast a vote?

1: I trust Dybeck because he's been raising the exact same thoughts I've been having so far in this game.
2: Her trying to deflect onto the source, and trying to justify the weakest vanilla claim I've seen in any game I've played on this site are what made me more willing to vote.



I'd also like to take this chance to point out my suspicions against Manho.

First, he nearly whiteknights her cause (I snipped this post, but the whole thing is valid in my argument.

that starbuck-wagon is a shit. there is no reason behind the wagon. and dybeck is the scum behind that, asking for an early roleclaim, asking for an early roleclaim, asking for others to support the wagon, asking for others to vote starbuck to get her at L-1 for a claim, etc.

He goes as far as calling the entire wagon shit, claiming there is NO reason. Anybody who has read any of this thread can see the case building. He outright calls Dybeck scum as well, which is outright false.

He quickly (as in within a day) switches his position entirely, stating:

after a second thought, dybeck can't be scum if starbuck flip scum. we need to lynch starbuck first.

Of course, this last part is already on the last page, but I wanted to reiterate.


Any other questions, I'm going to be on in about an hour to answer them My connection is being a touch buggy lately, so I'm somewhat LA, not enough to worry though, I can always get on in class.

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Sorry about my lack of posting. Being on in class kinda liits my posting ability. My Lappy's back up to 100% now, so I can contribute again.

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Posting in response to prod. Starbuck's AtEs are really much lamer than I would expect from a veteran of as many games as her. I can't imagine her real role to be Rumblebuffin, so I'd like to see what her real role is.

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And that's a hammer, is it not? Wow.

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Well played, RBT.