Mini 910 - Empire Records Mafia ~Over~

[Nikanor]

RayFrostistownRayFrostwhydidyoustopbreadcrumbingithinkitisfundontyouilikekittenstheyaresoftandcuddlylikebearsdoyouwantabearhugidotoo

*Hugs*

Liamisobvscumguyswhyisnthelynchedyetguyslikethatguyinblazingsaddleslololololthatssuchafunnymovieilikethepartwheretheymakethejokeaboutbeinghunglikeahorsehahadontyoulikethatmovieguyswhyarentyousayinganythingguysimgivingyoulotsoftimetotalksowhyarentyousayinganything

Vote: CallMeLiam.

[Nikanor]

Alsoihatewhenpeoplestretchthepagelikeitssillyputtyitmakesmewanttoragelikethehulklikedontyouthinktheycouldputwordwraporsomethinginlikeonnotepadialwaysusewordwraponnotepadunlessimusingitforhtmlthenidontbecausethenilikeeverythingonitsownlinebecauseitlooksbetterthatwaydontyouguysagreeheyspeakingofagreeingthisisthebestbreadcrumbeverdontyouagree

[Nikanor]

No, just a breadcrumb. I think the point is made, so I'll stop.

[Nikanor]

kyle, why do you think CML is scum? DoS, I don't think you provided a reason, either.

Unvote.

This quick bandwagon makes me nervous. Plus, Reck seems to be distancing from Zito.

Andromina, less nothing and more scumhunting, please.

[Nikanor]

I'm...distancing? On p4?

So? You see someone who is likely to be lynched, so why not try out some early distancing? It's not like either of you are likely to be lynched over the other guy. I can't see any downside to it. Why do you think distancing isn't likely to occur on page four? Do you think that there is a time and a place for distancing or something?

Ray Frost, why did you go and change your avatar to something stupid?

[Nikanor]

I guess distancing could occur this early - but when there's very little suspicion on me in the first place, to come right out of the gate and go "Yeah, he's distancing!" seems like a stretch.

Yeah, but judging by your reactions, it looks like I was right. Anyway, Reck's scum, guys. Not sure about Zito, but Reck is definitely scum. TRUST MY SCUMHUNTING OR DIE.

Vote: xRECKONERx.

Plus, the CML wagon is getting ridiculous.

[Nikanor]

Nikanor, do you agree with this RayFrost post that I quoted? (excluding the last bit)

Nope. I'm more sure that Reck is scum than CML being scum, anyway.

CML was serious, the claim was weak and if I'd known he was joking I wouldn't have voted for him.

So, because you thought they were masons, you voted them?
Want to help out and put your vote on Reckoner instead?

[Nikanor]

Also, I didn't mean to stretch the page. I didn't realize that posting all that as one word would stretch the page until after I posted. :<

[Nikanor]

I'm...distancing? On p4?

paranoid much?

Reck's a better player than to think distancing can't occur on page four.

I guess distancing could occur this early - but when there's very little suspicion on me in the first place, to come right out of the gate and go "Yeah, he's distancing!" seems like a stretch.

Backtracking. 'But when there's very little suspicion on you in the first place'? Are you kidding?

[Nikanor]

No, I'm not saying it CAN'T occur. I'm saying it's a bit paranoid to say a person who, thus, far, had no suspicion on him, is distancing just because he suspects another player. I never said it CAN'T occur - I'm saying it's paranoid given the circumstances.

Well, it looked like distancing to me. It's possible to spot a distancing tell between two players you don't already have suspicion of, you know.

Furthermore, to say I'm a better player than anything is... well, it's a misrep, dammit.

Furthermore, to say you're not a better player than anything is... well, it's an appeal to emotion, dammit.

I doubt that you have a Post restriction because I don't see the mod giving you that kind of restriction, and the only way to "balance" it out would be to give someone no vote, and again I doubt that has happened.

Mod-side WIFOM is baaaad. And why do you assume someone would have to have no vote? That's totally not what I thought. Not that I'm going to say what I thought, just in case it's not as super-obvious as I first thought....
On the other hand....
I'd really like if Reck was lynched today. Pleaaaaasee! I will love you all forever if we lynch Reckoner today.

[Nikanor]

Vote: xRECKONERx.

Obviously. He should have been lynched yesterday instead of the VI, but you know, people don't like to listen to Nikanor.

[Nikanor]

Hahahahahahahahaha.
Question: Is the guy in the picture Warren?

[Nikanor]

Never mind! I found the picture myself.

[Nikanor]

Hell yes, vigilante. Day-vig, at least. PS: if you're a one-shot dayvig, claim now. Otherwise, I guess stay hidden.

No. No claims.

Hey Reck, any reason for putting me on your 'to-lynch' list?

I outlined my reasons for wanting to lynch Reckoner yesterday, and they still apply today. kyle would be a fine lynch too, though.

[Nikanor]

Look what he did.

This in particular.

[Nikanor]

Starbuck, kyle99 is voting for DragonsofSummer. Nikanor is voting for xRECKONERx, unless votes are reset after day kills. Is this the case?

Since it still isn't fixed.

Vote: kyle99.

[Nikanor]

Yeah, I really don't understand the wagon on DoS.
Kise, why do you want to vote for DoS?

[Nikanor]

CML was quickhammered. I don't buy that DoS was lurking through the CML wagon, because for all I know he might have been meaning to post on the day that CML was hammered.
And Kise, you say that you have nothing concrete. How am I suspicious for trying to find something concrete as the reason for everyone jumping on DoS's wagon? You're practically voting for him, and you don't even have anything concrete.

@wolf: If you think DoS is a bad lynch, who would you rather go after?

[Nikanor]

Soon after Nik you voted kyle, stating the reason his "Look what he did" post was scummy. Kyle asked why it was scummy (which you never answered Nik so if you can please do) and when you did not answer Kyle never brought it up again, just dropped it in hopes of avoiding attention.

Right. Well, it's scummy because it's something scum says. It's an experience thing.

There's hardly enough activity in this game, goddammit.

You could try doing something useful. For example, explain why you said at the beginning of the day that I was a good lynch.

[Nikanor]

Why didn't you say that when I asked you the first time, then?

[Nikanor]

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[Nikanor]

I know it's only the fourth vote. I want someone to hammer, though. It doesn't really matter what he claims, he's going to be lynched today regardless.

[Nikanor]

@Mod: I'm voting kyle as of post 185.

[Nikanor]

You know what?

Unvote. Vote: DragonsofSummer.

I don't know how the hell he's going to flip anything but town, but Papa Zito and Reckoner aren't going to stop being morons until he's dead. Which is now the case.

[Nikanor]

Again, Zito and Reck aren't going to stop being morons until DoS has been euthanized.

[Nikanor]

Lol Kise. Does it matter? At least now we have a flip. If Reck or Zito act tomorrow like they have today, though, they're getting lynched.

[Nikanor]

Lol sure, sure. There's only three scum, and you didn't inspect me. If there are four scum I'm going to slap our mod.

[Nikanor]

Good night, sweetie pumpkin!

[Nikanor]

Weird flip.
Anything for us today, Zito? Also, any more bogus inspects for us, Kise?

[Nikanor]

Very doubtfu' Nikano try kill "cop" if "cop" claim guilty on him. He would fear "sane cop" flip, yes? Me think Nikano town, with Zito.

Oh, so you're sk with kill immunity.

Vote: Kise.

[Nikanor]

Oh wait.

Unvote.

Kise, why do you think scum targeted you?

[Nikanor]

Yes. Yes I am.
Not really. It's just the fact that Kise assumes the reason for no kill was that scum tried to kill him seems to me like an admission to kill immunity. And there is no such thing as a kill-immune cop. And there's already a doctor flipped.
However, there would have been a kill last night if Kise was sk, and we'd have no other scum. So that theory is gone out the window. I guess Kise is just regular bulletproof.

[Nikanor]

I don't think scum targeted you. However, you certainly seem to think so.

[Nikanor]

Also Kise, preview is nice. You should use it.

[Nikanor]

Why sad face? Cus can't make me die?

So you're saying you're bulletproof. I can understand why you would say you're cop at the end of the day, but why would you claim an inspect result?

[Nikanor]

I'm wondering about Kise's motivation, here. And I think I now know what his role is, but I suppose I'll keep it to myself. Kise the Bulletproof made a good point when he said that I wouldn't try to kill him for fear of a sane cop flip. If he really did have a guilty on me, it would be him or I to die today, then the survivor would be lynched the next day. Assuming I'm scum, it wouldn't make much sense for me to quicken that process by night-killing Kise.

BTW, there's something on your face. Have a napkin.

Isn't this from Rush Hour?

[Nikanor]

What else should I do yes'day? It foolish to draw mafya's kill by just saying, "I'm cop. No result today." They no believe me. I think they try kill me to see if maybe I real cop, and if I did find non-town (you).

No, I meant today. Your vote on Reck in particular.

Also, me think it funny that you no pick up on Zito softclaim yes'day, but then ask him today if he have anthing.

Shhh. Let's keep it a secret, shall we?

[Nikanor]

Shhh. Let's keep it a secret, shall we?

i.e. I figured it out overnight.

[Nikanor]

MC sounds fine, but I'm pretty sure I already know your roles, Zito et Kise.

[Nikanor]

It is also 2am in Japan, which might have something to do with it.

[Nikanor]

Kise, that's not a claim. I'm not claiming my role's name if you're not.

[Nikanor]

You seem to be pretty sure about that scumdar, Reck. Any reason for why you don't have a vote down?

[Nikanor]

Okay then, would you care to give reasons for why each person is on your list?

[Nikanor]

Reck, I'm not giving you a scumlist. There's only one scum left, so there won't be any information about links garnered from a straight scumlist without reasoning. Right now I want to know your reasons for thinking that I am scum and wolf is town.

[Nikanor]

Vote: xRECKONERx.

Zito, I want to know exactly why you think I am scummy. You're not letting me defend myself.
The reason for why I refused to give a straight scumlist is right there in the post. It's convenient that you left that out.
Right now I'm looking at the DoS wagon, because it seems like too easy a lynch. Lynching someone because they lurked in a week-long game day is almost unheard-of. Reckoner's vote is suspicious because all he says is 'That's a goooood lynch!' He doesn't even give any explanation.
Looking at Reck's scumlist, I see that the top three there are *gasp* people who have already been called scummy by others.
That's not to mention the fact that I haven't seen much scumhunting at all from Reck this game.

[Nikanor]

1. You formed and pushed a counter-DoS wagon on Kyle.
2. You actively sought to tear down the DoS wagon.

Because I didn't understand it. I STILL don't understand it. Lynching scum is not supposed to be that easy.

3. Your hammered someone you apparently didn't consider scum.

As opposed to, as Kise said, allowing DoS to put the hammer on kyle and in the process saving my hypothetical scumbuddy? You're right, that is soooo scummy. Not to mention the fact that scum would attempt to take at least some credit for the lynch, not say that they thought the lynch was on town as I have done.

4. You started today trying to figure out Kise's PR.

Because his motivation did not make sense to me. To me, it looked like he was claiming kill immunity and an inspection result at the same time. And that is scummy.

I find your reasons poor.

That's no reason to leave them out. I find your reasons for voting me poor (not to mention wrong), but I'm at least recognizing the fact that they are there. I'd appreciate the same courtesy done to me.

These are all true. Hence Reck at the #2 spot.

That's not good enough.

[Nikanor]

The problem with your 'narrowing-down' is that it is complete bullshit, Reck. You don't give any reason for why you've narrowed it down as such, despite multiple prompts from myself.
And about going down the list of people, we can only count on having three lynches. That is definitely not enough people to start going down the list, and we don't even have anyone confirmed (Kise could be pulling a gambit as a last resort, for example).

[Nikanor]

I'm in for d3 MC, so is Zito.

[Nikanor]

I have a problem with Zito's suspicion on me. I don't think he's scum, however.

[Nikanor]

What about wolf? He echoed many of the concerns I had about yesterday's lynch. What's the difference between he and I?
Excedrin and wolf both ended on kyle yesterday. Why is Excedrin not scum?

[Nikanor]

I have a theory, but if that theory doesn't check out then Zito is my top lynch choice.

[Nikanor]

You mean the version with or without Nik?

[Nikanor]

...
I don't think anyone ever claimed the kill, wolf.

[Nikanor]

Kise, you just said at the beginning of the day that I was town. What changed your mind?

[Nikanor]

you imply knowledge I NK-immune SK

Well, it was right obvious that you were night-kill immune, I just jumped to the conclusion that you were sk because that's where I normally see nk-immune roles: on serial killers.

[Nikanor]

@Exc: It only looks like I'm flailing because I have half the posts today. :/

@Ray: I don't think you're suspicious! I'm looking at the people on the DoS wagon. Care to join me?

[Nikanor]

Popcorn sounds good to me.

[Nikanor]

Full claim, of course. There's no point in mass claiming otherwise.

[Nikanor]

So basically you are a Role Cop. Claim the roles you saw. If you are telling the truth, there should be no need for hesitation as you know those you inspected to be town.

[Nikanor]

I'm waiting for Reck to properly claim, Zito. There's no need to rush this.

[Nikanor]

Does it matter? I'm not going to lynch based on the proportion of town rolecops to scum rolecops, and neither should any of you.

[Nikanor]

Fine. I'm Mark, Vanilla Town.

Papa Zito, I choose you!

I would ask that Kise and wolf not claim until Reck has claimed his results, though.

[Nikanor]

Vanilla Townie*, if it really makes a difference.

[Nikanor]

Why wouldn't you do that every night, then?

Unvote. Vote: Papa Zito.

[Nikanor]

Oh, and my vote has nothing to do with what I put in that post and everything to do with you not being a cop.

[Nikanor]

I'm ADHD. See my breadcrumb in my first few posts.

[Nikanor]

So you can shoot today, right?

[Nikanor]

And Kise. I'd still like for him to confirm Reck's claim. Because I don't think he's going to confirm Reck's claim.

[Nikanor]

Monsieur Frost, would you mind vidging yon Père Zito?

[Nikanor]

I thought Kise was a hider.

So, Nikanor and xRECKONERx are now thinking that Papa Zito bussed DoS since PZ isn't a cop? Is that the general idea?

Yup, that's exactly it.

[Nikanor]

Yeah, that's true. wolf is probably a VT.

[Nikanor]

They did. Read the thread.
And I'd like to add that your list is vastly inferior to that of Papa Zito.

[Nikanor]

Boo.

[Nikanor]

I would try to convince you Ray, but my good man Reckoner seems to be doing a damned good job of making an argument already.

[Nikanor]

It's your choice. You know what the town wants, but in the end, you're the one with the gun.

[Nikanor]

Anyway, Papa Zito requested death, so I'm shooting excedrin instead.

Boo.

[Nikanor]

The nailbiting emote means Kise is one-shot but wants to remain thought of as fully bulletproof.

[Nikanor]

Also, if Kise was full bulletproof he would have just come out and said it and proved Reck a liar.

[Nikanor]

Yeah, we could. I think lynching Zito would be more fun, though.

[Nikanor]

Anyway, the shot is actually for Papa Zito.

Boo.

[Nikanor]

Vote: kyle99.

I'm a bit wary of Reck's claim. Village Cop? Not Town Cop? I wasn't sure exactly how the power role names were worded, so I didn't say anything earlier.

[Nikanor]

Vote: Excedrin.

I don't really see this going any other way. wolf and Kise are cleared, even if Ray is sk he'll be lynched tomorrow when Exc flips mafia and the game is still going. Interesting to note is that Excedrin did not vote me even when he knows it's down to him and I.

[Nikanor]

Bleh.

Vote: No lynch.

[Nikanor]

I'm not scum, though. Which makes for an interesting dilemma.

[Nikanor]

Uhm, even if we assume me to be scum, I'd kill you overnight, giving everyone more incentive to nolynch.

[Nikanor]

Ray, look at the times the mod does stuff. You're always online during those times.

[Nikanor]

Whatever. Kise is probably our last scum. He was never alignment confirmed by Reck, iirc.

[Nikanor]

Papa Zito was kill immune for that night as well. I originally thought Zito was either a cop or scum, so it's not too out-there for him to have been killed by scum.
Also remember that we still have too many town power roles. I'm willing to bet that either you, Ray, or Kise is scum.

[Nikanor]

I don't know what problem you people have, becuase we should be nolynching. I don't see the disadvantages of nolynching, because even if I were mafia, I'd have to nk Ray Frost, the sk, to have any chance of winning. And I really don't like the way Ray uses 'you guys can lynch me when I'm asleep, though!' As an excuse to nolynch, as it requires two relatively inactive players to get online before him, which isn't going to happen.

[Nikanor]

Vote: Kise.

Hey wolf, look back at Reck's claim. Nowhere does he say that Kise was TOWN one-shot bulletproof. He says that Kise was one-shot bulletproof, but not town.
In addition, look at Papa Zito's role. He was a commuter. Do you really think the town would have two bulletproof roles? I don't.
Finally, we've already discussed the fact that the town would have too much power if Kise were town. It just doesn't make sense. If either of us are scum, it would mean that there would only be four townies in this game.

CML -

Vanilla Townie

semioldguy -

Weak Doctor

Andromina -

Mafia Goon

DoS -

Mafia Roleblocker

Zito -

Commuter

kyle -

Vanilla Townie

Reck -

Rolecop

Excedrin -

Vanilla Townie

Ray Frost -

Dayvig

CML, kyle, and Exc are our flipped townies.
semioldguy, Zito, Reck, and Ray are our flipped power roles.
If Kise is town and I'm scum, that would mean that town would have more power roles than townies. Do you think that's balanced? Kise's role even makes sense for scum when there's a vig around.

[Nikanor]

[Nikanor]

Nah. I stuck with my 'Town has too much power' subscription for the lose.

[Nikanor]

anyone who looked at the setup went "No way are there that many power roles".

So then how was my vote poor?
Anyway, wolf would have just voted me and ended the game anyway if I hadn't reciprocated.