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I agree with bigmc that trying to setup lynches so fast is scummy. And thus, Elli eagerness to lynch is scummy. We don't know for sure the recharge time of the mafia NK, and thus, rushing lynches for the sake of lynching is not good. And Elli has done nothing but support that. Also, the omgusing against bigmc doesn't help either.
DRK: I usually post once a day,in almost all games, and I had not much to add rather than Elli seems to be searching for weak reasons to wagon somebody. CLS' policy wagon and Mal's wagon based on actually nothing is not good. You are behind, as well, but I find Elli top suspicious.Taking a long break from mafia games.
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Pro-town? Setting up the lynch of a player, who has done nothing yet, in case we can't find someone "better" is pro-town for you? I do not believe that lynching just for the sake of meeting a 7-day deadline is pro-town.don_johnson wrote:
true. but when read in the context of being in a game with real time mechanics, the motivation certainly seemed protown. also, the majority would only matter if town couldn't find a lynch candidate. as i recall the proposal was to create a "back-up" lynch based on policy. a literally interpreted policy lynch is "quick" by nature, so adding the word "quick" to the accusation at all just seems like an attempt to place more suspicion than is warranted on an otherwise harmless suggestion.TonyMontana wrote: elli started off the game by proposing we put a majority on CSL instantly.
I'm hunting scum. What are you doing?don_johnson wrote: 196 seems like a big waste of space. exactly what is snowbunny doing for us?
Funny, this seems like you are trying to discredit me in order to make me back off from Elli. Huh.
I am not "eager". But I do find Elli suspicious. Again, I do not propose anyone as a deadline wagon. I prefer town waits a couple of day more if needed than just lynching for the sake of meeting the deadline.don_johnson wrote:snowbunny: would you consider yourself "eager" to lynch Elli? if not, who do you propose as a deadline wagon? or do you think a no lynch or weak wagon is better for town?
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So, you are saying that you better weak-lynch someone than wait a bit more to gain more info and thus possibly get a better lynch? I am not against lynching every 7 days, btw. I am against lynching for the sake of lynching. In fact, I'm all on an Elli or DRK lynch, but policy lynching just to meet a deadline is not good. That town-directed kill will likely end up harming more town than scum.Taking a long break from mafia games.
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Though I want an Elli wagon, I will switch to DRK if needed.
Btw, Elli, yet another wagon just like that? It seems like you are going for "weak" targets. It's a shame you are looked "pro-town" by a few other players. :-/Taking a long break from mafia games.
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Yep, you're right. I don't have the balls. Though, it's disturbing to know that you are expecting a girls to have balls. Ewww...TonyMontana wrote:
It's a shame because you don't have the balls to go after someone if it's risky?Snow_Bunny wrote:Though I want an Elli wagon, I will switch to DRK if needed.
Btw, Elli, yet another wagon just like that? It seems like you are going for "weak" targets. It's a shame you are looked "pro-town" by a few other players. :-/Taking a long break from mafia games.
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Nah, you're reading it wrong. I am town, so adjust your reading accordingly.Plumegranate wrote: SB gives me gut scum feelings, probably really null.
...Plumegranate wrote:SB's admission to not have the balls for real scumhunting, which amusing, makes me frown. Seriously. I'm a girl and my other fruit is a girl. We have the balls.
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Ah... It was a joke. My, I never thought someone would take that as seriously! I didn't even get what he was trying to say. I just ignored the comment and went for a joke. D:Taking a long break from mafia games.
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Why? Another reasonless wagon-jumping?Ellibereth wrote:Vote: Annachie
Again, why? What makes you think DRK is town? And what makes you think Annachie is scum?Ellibereth wrote:DRK is town, Annachie is scum.
Assuming that the amount of town > scum in the neighborhood, DRK claiming and revealing his neighbors was the right thing to do. If DRK was scum, and he claimed such (when his lynch is looking already all but inevitable in face of the deadline), it would virtually confirm two members of the town after his flip.
We have 2 hours to get Annachie lynched.
You see, in the quick topic I found something that made me believe DRK is scum. I agree with the points brought up by Annachie, and thus:
Unvote, vote: DRK
Elli's buddying with DRK and wagon-jumping is noted as well. If DRK flips town, and taking into account something he said in the QT, I'll be looking after dj.Taking a long break from mafia games.
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Well, all I can say is that you, DRK, wanted a wagon, not a lynch, on CSL. You also wanted a wagon of yourself to compete with that of CSL. Though, what you really wanted is beyond me. Hope that clear things out. However, you can't rely on your neighbours to counter what you post in thread.Taking a long break from mafia games.
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DRK said something scum would only said (from my point of view, of course). A sort of threat.
@Elli: Why suddenly vote for me when you thought Ann was the other scum? Also, I agree that talking about ongoing games is a big no-no.
@Flare: Stop acting like a sheep. You have done nothing but following wagons without adding anything new, and not even worrying about finding something about other players.
Dj's 278 set me off as scum trying to gain more information from scum. But reading the first paragraph shows that he didn't know there were three neighbours, and thus, I'm leaning towards either one of these: he is town; he is scum and there are no scum neighbours.
I am town, and I haven't gotten a scummy read on Ann. And thus, I am leaning to believe that all neighbours are town.
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farside22 wrote:Sorry I had Eli and DRK flipped.
Why the switch from eli to DRK with so little
Snow_Bunny wrote:Though I want an Elli wagon, I will switch to DRK if needed.
Btw, Elli, yet another wagon just like that? It seems like you are going for "weak" targets. It's a shame you are looked "pro-town" by a few other players. :-/Snow_Bunny wrote: DRK: I usually post once a day,in almost all games, and I had not much to add rather than Elli seems to be searching for weak reasons to wagon somebody. CLS' policy wagon and Mal's wagon based on actually nothing is not good. You are behind, as well, but I find Elli top suspicious.
Both DRK and Elli were suspicious. Why then wouldn't I want either of them lynched? You are trying to imply my vote came out of nowhere. I might not have made a case against either of them, but that doesn't change the fact that I thought both of them were scum (Elli's still there). And, as I also said, DRK said something in the QT that pushed him on top Elli.Snow_Bunny wrote:So, you are saying that you better weak-lynch someone than wait a bit more to gain more info and thus possibly get a better lynch? I am not against lynching every 7 days, btw. I am against lynching for the sake of lynching. In fact, I'm all on an Elli or DRK lynch, but policy lynching just to meet a deadline is not good. That town-directed kill will likely end up harming more town than scum.
Elli's still scummy, but so is Flare.
When a lynch is every 7 days or so, you can't expect each lynchee to have a strong case (specially on D1) before dying. I don't see why you call it policy lynching, as I gave my reasons. :-/Taking a long break from mafia games.
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First of all, let me claim: I'm the town jailkeeper, neighbour with Fishy (Ann) and DRK. I think that Ann was town (and thus Fishy), which makes me think all neighbours are town.
What exactly doesn't make sense to you? Tell me, so I can use paper and pencil to explain. I can't quote anything from the QT, you know. It was something DRK said that I can't see a townie saying. Fishy can confirm, as I already posted what was in there.Ellibereth wrote:Snow bunny makes 0 sense to me.
Why do you still fail to say what DRK that made you think he was scum?
You berated me for voting Flare a few pages ago...
...I also still have a scumread on Ann right now.
Also, it's funny how you have the two remaining neighbours as scum. Such a great way to ensure the lynch of either of us.
Eli didn't discuss a policy lynch. He WANTED and PURSUED it. I can't see protown reasons to setup a lynch that way. You see, in many opportunities I've seen town be guided as a sheep, and if we have a "backup lynch", chances are that we won't try as hard to find scum.farside22 wrote: I don't understand bunny's position Did she think both eli and DRK scum for discussion a policy lynch? Why is this scummy as it takes a majority to agree to a policy lynch.
I fail to see the contradiction there. I think Elli is scum. Lynching scum =/= lynching for the sake of lynching. You are all fixated on thinking that the only thing I have against Elli is the policy lynch (and on DRK the same), when I have pointed out other things. Reasonless wagon-jumping. That certainty which he points out DRK is town Ann is scum. Eagerness to lynch (unlike you, I find this a scumtell).farside22 wrote: Bunny:
Pushes on Eli case based on the policy lynch of CSL. Excuses players (vaya) lurkering using meta.
This feels like she is telegraphing her vote her:
This is my biggest problem:DRK: I usually post once a day, in almost all games, and I had not much to add rather than Elli seems to be searching for weak reasons to wagon somebody. CLS' policy wagon and Mal's wagon based on actually nothing is not good. You are behind, as well, but I find Elli top suspicious.
however:I do not believe that lynching just for the sake of meeting a 7-day deadline is pro-town.
She press's on Eli or DRK based on the policy lynch view, however it never went off beyond the pregame and her holding onto it seems weak.Though I want an Elli wagon, I will switch to DRK if needed.
vote: snow_bunny
@Plum: I really don't get your reasons to vote for me, and that big post (379) seems just like a opportunistic jump on the wagon. You say a lot of things to other players, but yet you say that "I'm scummier" without pointing out why. I'm scummier than Flaresheep? I'm scummier because I lurk despise being other players who have lurked more?
Still waiting for this.TonyMontana wrote:vote: Snow_bunny
Gonna do some more reading, but I like what I've ready regarding snow today.
No, you're vote is on me because I'm the largest wagon.Flareonage wrote:I don't agree with the policy lynch on CSL (Me) of course.
I think our best bet is the 2 remaining neighbors. That's why my vote is on Snow Bunny
And then you wonder why I call the town sheep.
It's funny, you know, how you are going after the neighbours. What are you going to do after I flip town? Lynch Ann based on the "two-towns-one-scum-neighbour-thingy"? Excellent way of scum to get rid of possibly confirmed townies without having to use their kills.
Oh, and regardless the no-scum kill yet, I might have something to say about that. If we base our theories on scum killing as soon as they can, and their power recharging after 7 days (based on my own power and the duration of a day), I think I have found something interesting.Taking a long break from mafia games.
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Ok, let's take for granted the mod's post 40:Fishythefish wrote:
Maybe I'm being dense, but I don't see how scum would use the information.Snow_Bunny wrote:You see, if I claimed who my target was, there was a chance scum would use that information. A jailkeeper doubles as a doc, you know.
I'm suggesting you claim your past target, not any future ones.
If scum knows who I am jailing, they won't target that person for a time. Or, if I have jailed scum, that scum won't submit the kill as he might lose the action. Or, if I claim to have not used the ability yet, they might hurry and try to target someone before I send my action. Or, etc, etc, etc. Giving more info to the scum is not good for town.zoraster wrote:A Rule clarification:
An action that comes in during the middle of a duration does that action beginning at that point.
Take two examples:
Doctor: Duration 10 days
Roleblocker: Duration 5 days
Doctor protects X on Day 0. Roleblocker blocks Doc starting on Day 2.
Result: X is protected from Day 0-2, not protected from Days 2-7, then is protected again from Day 7-10.
In this case, the action did not FAIL, thus the recharge time will be the full recharge time and not the half or 4 days whichever comes first.
Another example:
Framer: Duration 5 Days
Tracker: Duration 5 Days
Framer frames X beginning Day 0. Tracker tracks Day 2.
Result: Framer frames X without being seen Day 0. On Day 2, Tracker tracks and sees that Framer is visiting X.
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My experience tells me that it ends usually in a town lynch. And a non-informative one.farside22 wrote:snow: I'm going to ask you the same question I asked big. What has been your experience on the site from people who lynch based on policy lynch?Taking a long break from mafia games.
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Null tell. However, the point here is not the discussion of that. The point here is the eagerness of it was pursued. In a normal game you have like two-three weeks to talk about it. Here, Elli wanted the lynch as soon as possible to leave it as backup and then discuss. With the small amount of time (a week) chances are the lynch would stay like that.
Take for example, my current situation. I am going to be the lynch unless town decides someone else is scummier in what, 4 or 5 days? Chances are I'm going to end up lynched (unless scum acts blatantly scummy) even if town no longer feels I'm scummy. Why? Because we would need another candidate.Taking a long break from mafia games.
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Well, if no one is a good option for a deadline lynch, then yes, I would advocate for a lynch of an anti-town player. However, this anti-towness should be proved as the day go on, not as a first resource. For example, I would advocate for a CSL policy lynch if he acted anti-town in this topic. But, in order to know that, some amount of time and post must be required. Meta is one thing I don't use often, as the way a player plays a particular game does not necessarily inform about how a player will play another particular game.farside22 wrote:
But if your town would you advicate looking for policy lynches to secure your position or would you scum hunt?Snow_Bunny wrote:Null tell. However, the point here is not the discussion of that. The point here is the eagerness of it was pursued. In a normal game you have like two-three weeks to talk about it. Here, Elli wanted the lynch as soon as possible to leave it as backup and then discuss. With the small amount of time (a week) chances are the lynch would stay like that.
Take for example, my current situation. I am going to be the lynch unless town decides someone else is scummier in what, 4 or 5 days? Chances are I'm going to end up lynched (unless scum acts blatantly scummy) even if town no longer feels I'm scummy. Why? Because we would need another candidate.
What if the person you feel is most town is up for lynch and no one seems to agree with who to lynch do you think targeting the anti-town policy lynch is bad at that point or do you hold true to your feelings and lynch a person you feel is town.
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Then you are an idiot. READ THE DAMN TOPIC AND DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Flareonage wrote:I believe that one of the three neighbors is scum (Didn't we all?). Now that Snow bunny has role claimed then we should switch to the remaining neighbor. If that fails then I'm an idiot
It might just be me, but Plum's mafia lessons to Flare are noted.Taking a long break from mafia games.
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Yes, I can see now. Though, I've never been a fan of policy lynching. For me, it's just like a scum point that adds to a case, but not a case in itself.farside22 wrote:
QFT ^Snow_Bunny wrote:...
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Why? Why, oh mighty god of randomness that decides upon the roles, why can't I ever have a vigshot when I need it?
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@Juls: Why do you want me to claim my target, if any? I would claim my targets once the time has gone, but I won't when I have not decided to use my action or when the action is in progress. Tell me, what exactly do town win knowing who I targeted?Taking a long break from mafia games.
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Ok, time must have elapsed already.
I jailed the twin fruit, Pum.
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No, that isn't the only way. You know, we could always lynch Flare. I still think he's the best option out there.
I chose Pum just because. Seemed to me like the most solid player out there, and that could only mean a good town or a good scum. Jailing works wonder with both.Taking a long break from mafia games.
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@Flare: That's kind of far-fetched. IMO, gunsmith is as hard, or even harder, to fakeclaim as a cop. A very high-risk low-reward gambit, imo.
@Fishy: I myself would have said either any of them or wait and fullclaim. Because by "other" I was thinking in voting abilities.
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Well, seeing as how my action has ended, I can as well claim who I targeted. I targeted Elli. In regards of the lack of scum kill, we can say:
1- Elli was the target of the kill, and it failed (Elli town)
2- Elli was the one who was supposed to perform the scum kill, and thus it was blocked (Elli scum)
3- Scum hasn't sent a kill yet (Elli ?)
I myself lean towards 1, but Elli's jumpiness is suspicious, I must admit. 3 is ridiculous, as I can't see my scum would forfeit their kill (or, maybe, they have a greater recharge time that we expect, still, I don't buy it). 2 is possible as well, but Elli's claim make it less possible (unless of course, we're talking of a Elli-Fishy scum team). One way or another, Elli's and Fishy's role can be confirmed later on.Taking a long break from mafia games.
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Last time I'm outing my target.
Faraday, I'm curious, what's with the wifom in me targeting Pom? You know, it's wifomer the path you are taking assuming the kill and my comment had something to do.
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I fail to see a connection between my claim and Elli's death. If any, scum is waiting for me to claim to make the kill.
Fishy, btw, I would love to see a proof of your claim. You claimed yesterday, I'm guessing you have something as of now worth of claiming.
In conclusion, proof or die.
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I had a protown read on you. In fact, I kind of still have it. But we can't ignore Elli's claim, and your unwillingness to claim make you suspicious.
For example, I fail to see a reason as of why not investigate someone. Useful info for town, you know.Taking a long break from mafia games.
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1- Yes, however, as I said to him, those aren't facts. For all I know, scum can have a recharge time of one day, and just decided to use it after I claimed. And, as I told him, I find rather suspicious that he tries to use that as a fact. I've caught more than one scum this way, you know.farside22 wrote:First of all SB did fishy actually say anything to you in the QT about noticing the timing of the first kill?
Second I have to say that vote from SB comes off as OMGUS.
Finally I agree with SB some info from fishy in regards to his JOAT ability and anything he learned would be helpful
2- Yes, a bit omgus, I agree. I also agree that I don't get a strong scum feeling from fishy. However, there's something there telling me that something's odd.
3- I agree with myself too.
Ani's case is good. Loving it. Lack of Dj's reply makes it better.Taking a long break from mafia games.
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No, it's not reasonable to predict the second kill would be around 10 days after the start. It's an assumption that I decided to not make. That makes me scummy?
Also, we're missing another point here. You are assuming the kill is instantaneously. I wonder, why can't it has a lapse of time just like my ability? The ability kills as soon as possible, but if blocked it waits until the protection wears off (or until the ability's timer ends).
@farside: I must have missed your question. I thought fishy answered well enough for what you asked.
@fishy: Though I had a town read on you, that doesn't mean you are confirmed in my eyes, and thus I have no reason to say you everything I think.Taking a long break from mafia games.
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No, you're getting it wrong. My ability kicks in as soon as I PM the mod, but it last for some days before wearing off. I'm saying the same thing could happen to the scum kill.farside22 wrote:I'm sorry I'm confused a bit. SB your ability does not kick in as soon as you PM the mod?
Fishy do you have this same delay?Taking a long break from mafia games.
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@fishy: I worked under the assumption of seven days recharge time. My line of thoughts were the following: scum used first NK some time after it got charged to create a false impression about the duration. The second NK then would have been harder to prevent.
Also, I used it when Elli said that she had info about you and feared she might get killed.
Oh! That reminds me something really interesting the mod said. If an action is blocked, the recharge time is less than if it wasn't blocked. So, it is entirely possible that I blocked the first assassination attempt against Elli, but couldn't prevent the second one.
@farside: My ability lasts long enough. Thanks for asking.Taking a long break from mafia games.
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What doesn't add up? Really, I don't follow at all. For your information, with "last long enough" meant "I won't tell you until I find it necessary". You are using a very shaky logic here, trying to use timers and recharge as scumhunting (when you have no proof of them, unless of course, you are scum), when it is obviously leading you to wrong conclusions.Taking a long break from mafia games.
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MY ANSWER WAS LONG ENOUGH AS A MEAN TO SAY THAT I WON'T TELL YOU! It has nothing to do with the actual duration, which can be 1, 2, 3 or even more days. Why the hell you are clinging to that?
I never said you were scummy, not at least in the last posts. Have I said that? I used the ability on Elli as soon as the request from him came. I did not give a second thought from timers and that crap. You know why? Because that's how I play! Too much thoughts on a single matter can make you draw any number of conclusions, most of them wrong. And thus, I rather go with quick actions, and then see what happens.
Oh, and btw, Fishy is not mason. At least I don't know his alignment. And even if I knew his alignment, I had no reason to listen to him if I don't want to. But you seems so sure he is town. Makes me wonder why. See? That's the kind of thing I do.
This actually makes me thing fishy is town, and you are scum. You are making a mountain out of a snowball, and makes me think you are just drawing for a quicklynch to give scum higher chances of winning.
Unvote, vote: farside
It's not omgus. I fail to see your reasons of your case. They are all based on assumptions of fishy's alignment, scum timer, and my own ability's timer, none of them youshouldn'tknow. Yet you act as if you do.Taking a long break from mafia games.
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No, I don't think ani is scum. I had my suspicious on Plum, but they weren't strong. He's also not appeared under my radar yet. So, I'm scummy for not attacking a player that has not shown in my radar yet, and that my last impression was a weak suspicious? Right...manho wrote:
i have a similar scum list with fishy probably town, except that SB is more likely pro-town than ani now, but still, they are my top 2 suspect and i'm happy with both lynch.Fishythefish wrote:Right, access is going to be a bit spotty until deadline. I'll be able to get on and vote and stuff, though. Players in the game:
farside: town
manho: probable town
Juls: no read to speak of. Wasn't comfortable with his play around the manho wagon. Needs to get his reads out there asap after his V/LA.
ani: didn't have much of a read on p-fruit. I'm not sure I quite believe ani's case. Leaning scum
dj: Not comfortable with the change in his play at this important stage.
SB: most likely scum
Of the scummy players, the two who correlate well are ani and SB - ani's attack on dj came as SB was coming under pressure, and they've been ignoring both the wagons on each other and the cases they each made. I'm happy with lynching SB at the moment.
vote: ani
@ani, do you think SB is scum? and the reason?
@SB, do you think ani is scum? and the reason?
My vote on you? Are you sure you are reading things right? My vote's on Fishy. I think Dj right now is scummy, but I find Fishy to be top. And, I hope you got things right after I flip town, should I ever be lynched.farside22 wrote: SB do you think that vote on me is doing you any good? Who is scum right now and why? What do you think about animorph's/plums play this game and where do you stand on the lynch of him?
Also, useful =/= town. Just a note.
Oh, and, btw,Mod: why are Flare and DRK still on the votecount?Taking a long break from mafia games.
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