899 FABLES- THE GRIMMAFIA GAME - The End. Mod Sucks.

[SocioPath]

Vote: Grimmy

[SocioPath]

Oh, totally missed that he said rolename and not username.

After I bolded it and everything.

*takes note

Regards,
Jazz

Also note that he stated page 6 as a big deal in itself.
This game didn't even start until page 3.

You really know how to rhyme.

Not as well as you might think:

I was not aware,
I had a yolk anywhere.

'ware' with 'where'

unvote, vote:sociopath,
for taking the lurker's path.

'path' with 'path'

Which...7 posts into the game. Calling lurkers. Hilarious.
Might as just well prod and replace me now, eh?

When you're right,
you're right.

'right' with 'right'


The rhyming in general is pretty sub par, but the above shouldn't even count.

Vote: Sociopath

.

For being the last player to confirm by a significant margin, and not even having the decency to make up an excuse about it like RF.

Maybe you just fail to understand that people have different schedules, and your amounts that you are pushing on this is terrible.

Your ego stroking of RF is questionable at best.

If kpaca is scum, the the distancing bus there is noted as well.
Stating that you'd vote him as RF is expect your 'pressure' vote on me.
Pressure votes != pressure if you STATE its a pressure vote.
Which you've essentially done.

As such, my vote for SP is as serious an early-game vote as you can expect. Being 2 days late to confirm, when those two days aren't a weekend or holiday, is as reasonable a pre-game scumtell as one can hope for IMO. I intend to continue voting SP until I am convinced that someone else is a better vote.

Nope, he's actually usually a lower-activity player as far as I've experienced, and, frankly, one that I almost always find a little scummy.

Also laughable.

Vote: Iecerint

Also, about the rhyming post restrictions:
Yes, it is very scummy to fake a post restriction.

PRs essentially limit the amount of information that the player slot can give a town.
Which also means limits the amount of slips a scum can do.
Essentially, in extreme cases it pretty much give the player slot free reigns to actively lurk and slip by through the game, as no one would except in-depth analysis from them.
And I've read several games where scum has done just that. (Recalls DGB's emoticon fake PR as scum.)

[SocioPath]

Socio posted only 5 times,
and when the wagon on him started, completely ignored the signs.

He did not defend himself or claim,
though he was the godfather in that game.

Referencing ongoing games is a huge no-no.

[SocioPath]

You are dead in that game,
and it is approtriate to mention your posting.

Referencing. Ongoing. Games. Is. A. Huge. No-no.

But you should be posting here just the same,
for you activity in this game is sorely lacking.

Thats cute.
The game has been open for how long?
There was a good 6 hour chunk in there already in which you had not posted.
Argument through repetition facts does not make.

[SocioPath]

SP's return post makes 4 principal claims. Chronologically:

1. GK is not actually that great at rhyming. (What's your point? Are you trying to get GK into trouble for breaking his hypothetical PR?)

Just words.

2. Voting someone during RVS for as reasonable a pre-game scumtell as exists is silly.

Meta me, you'll find that I was not around.

3. Continuing to vote suspect players who have yet to participate is pressure voting and therefore silly.

Answered at the bottom.

4. It's totally OK to ignore local context with regard to the rhymers (namely, the fact that both rhymers are highly active players) and to instead present abstract information about mafia theory.

If a player is rhyming, then makes posts where they are not rhyming, and doesn't get the standard PR posting penalties, I will lynch them in a heartbeat.

]I also wish I could've seen him scumhunt a little less myopically. His only real targets are the two players voting for him.

'Attacks' which mostly consist of that I'm lurking.
In a game thats been open for less than 24 hours.

Stating that you'd vote him as RF is expect your 'pressure' vote on me.

What did you mean here? I'm not sure what you meant.

*accept
What I meant was, you are giving intents to vote, but you say you can't, because of your 'pressure vote', but in that stating its a pressure vote, it loses its value.

Pressure votes are fine, stating 'THIS VOTE IS FOR PRESSURE, AFTER THAT I AM GOING TO MOVE IT TO SOMEONE I FIND SCUMMY' is not.
It loses its pressure.
Whether you vote RF or not, that kind of telegraphing is the kind of distancing that I generally pick up on in the early game.

You want a good early game meta of me for finding scum?
Check out TTGL Mafia.
I found the scum team so quick, and so accurately, that they DK'd me soon after.
Monkey knows all about that.

SP, my initial vote for you was was serious as an RVS vote can be.

Can be?
RVS votes 'can be' very serious.
Looks like you are trying to negate its value now.
Even after you've stated that there are others you'd vote for.
RVS votes are only as good as until you have something real to latch onto.
I certainly do.
My vote certainly wasn't a random one.
Your backtracking and negating of your vote on me is hilarious.

[SocioPath]

See, I think pressure votes are 100% crap, so I'm more conservative than you on this point. Luckily, I didn't make a pressure vote, nor did I ever describe my vote on you as a pressure vote or insinuate that it was such.

Oh?

I like RF's vote. I would support it if I weren't busy voting SP.

I want him to post because I don't want to change my vote just because he lurks to safety through the early game. I'm worried about that because he has a tendency to do just that from what I can tell, so I want to illustrate that I'm not going to tolerate that.

That reads to me as a pressure vote.

This is the second time you have deliberately and fraudulently mischaracterized my vote against you.

Oh?

I like RF's vote. I would support it if I weren't busy voting SP.

As such, my vote for SP is as serious an early-game vote as you can expect. Being 2 days late to confirm, when those two days aren't a weekend or holiday, is as reasonable a pre-game scumtell as one can hope for IMO. I intend to continue voting SP until I am convinced that someone else is a better vote.

SP, my initial vote for you was was serious as an RVS vote can be.

So was it a serious vote or not?
You state it as a 'RVS vote' ti negate meaning from its value.
Yet you are keeping it there despite claiming that there are better candidates to vote for.
But, if it WAS serious...why even mention it as a RVS vote?
Obviously if it was serious, it was not be a RVS vote.

[SocioPath]

Claiming that you weren't lurking is an outright lie,
and Iecerint seems to think you where away.
However I see no such claim, though I suppose I could be high,
and it has not been 24 hours as you say.

This is straight up bullshit.
I was not lurking.
Stating I wasn't is not a lie.
Nor did I say that its been 24 hours.
I stated that it was less than 24 hours.
You are stating I've been lurking in a game that been open less than 24 hours.

You sir, are

an idiot

appear to be a VI.

It's not a pressure vote at all.

Well alright then. I misinterpreted it.

It's a so-called RVS vote because it took place during the so-called RVS stage. There are no true random votes IMO. (Well, not unless someone literally uses a random number generator to select a target and fails to disclose that information, but that's sort of lame, etc.) Everyone is trying to vote the player they think is most likely to be scum. Or that's how I approach RVS.

At the same time, RVS happened, ye know, on page 3. Even if you were to confirm 4 days after everyone else (and weren't replaced for whatever reason), I wouldn't consider that lynchable on its own. That's because RVS votes are made before players have a lot of information about the game.

This chunk though. Not so good.
There is no point to point out that its a 'RVS vote' if its not 'random'.
You gave the illusion that it was a more 'serious' vote.
Compare your first vote with other peoples' first vote, yours is notablely more serious.
Playing it off as it meaning as little as everyone else's is backtracking from the stated reasons.

Let me illustrate why for you. Suppose you did something REALLY SCUMMY.

Except I didn't do anything scummy.
Unless Holidays are now scumtells.

[SocioPath]

While you have since been excused, you where lurking the most.
When you don't show up to confirm, like a lurker you appear.

I am not accusing you of lurking,
I am justfying the vote against you at the time it was made.
Since you were not here, I'll assume you were working,
but the argument was never about how long the game had been played.

How can someone who hasn't even confirmed for a game, be considered 'lurking'.
Do yourself a favor. Look up what 'lurking' actually means before you throw that term around.

but the argument was never about how long the game had been played.

Oh?
What was the point of:

it has not been 24 hours as you say.

[SocioPath]

Well there is a method to my madness.

I work best at determining alignments when personally attacking people, or they are personally attacking me.

There was a recent MD poll about the subject,
I was one of the very few that picked:
"I'm town, the rest of you are scum until proven otherwise."

But my methods also work hand-in-hand:
when I attack a pot of people,
people generally use that to attack me.
Win/win.

[SocioPath]

I'm really sorry for coming so late.

First, could someone unvote, like,

now

? L-2 (L-1 if you count mal's vote) when not everyone has even checked in is ridiculous.

Doesn't sound like you are sorry.

You come in and essentially tell us to sit around with our thumbs up our asses until everyone finally gets around to showing up.
I'm 'really sorry' but there are productive things that happen while those that slack are off elsewhere.
A terrible approach for that of a first post.

[SocioPath]

so how sorry do you expect me to be?

Only as sorry as you sound, and you certainly didn't sound 'really' sorry.

Anyway, didn't the other players say that you're known as a chronic lurker?

No one with any real meta of me has called me a chronic lurker. The two that did have very, very limited meta knowledge of me.

Isn't this the pot calling the kettle black?

So no, its nothing like that.
So quick to that accusation though, nice.

So do you have any thoughts on my actual suspicions/arguments? Or are you just looking to pick a fight?

I'll leave that question to the philosophers.

[SocioPath]

Anyway, didn't the other players say that you're known as a chronic lurker?

No one with any real meta of me has called me a chronic lurker. The two that did have very, very limited meta knowledge of me.

Socio - I was referencing the times you were V/LA in pokemon mafia yet still posting

And I was referencing Iec and GK as the two.

[SocioPath]

I understand, there's this theory that fake-PR's cloud the text enough to give the scum-player a way to avoid analysis. I'm skeptical of that theory however. PR's tend to draw more attention to the person, not less, and outside your DGB example, I'm not aware of many successful scum attempts to duck heat by using a fake-PR. I could maybe buy an idiot scumster trying a fake-PR because they believe it'll help, maybe. But I don't think it'll actually help.

There is also the fact that people with restrictive (fake) PRs also have a harder time expressing themselves well when it comes to scum hunting.
So a player with such, wouldn't necessarily be expected to scumhunt as intensely as someone without one.
Which means they can coast by easier just saying someone is scummy, but not need to go into depth with such, and relying on people to just trust them, because depth is harder to get into when it its hard to post in general with PRs that prohibit clear communication.

But as I said before:

If a player is rhyming, then makes posts where they are not rhyming, and doesn't get the standard PR posting penalties, I will lynch them in a heartbeat.

There is no sense HUNTING for players faking a PR, if they are, most likely it will come out in time.

[SocioPath]

RayFrost has become very suspicious to me,
he is hiding behind his admiration of ABR too much.
He is avoiding whatever responsibility there may be,
and buddying ABR and not thinking for himself and such.

Well thats because he isn't even paying attention in the first place, according to him.

No responsibility.
No attention.

[SocioPath]

Kpaca needs more votes, a prod, and a replacement.

As much as you are scum, this much is true.

Unvote
Vote: Kpaca

I'm liking Mina more and more every time she posts, more on that later.

[SocioPath]

But God came to Kpaca in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man

(Off topic: Of course I spelled Genesis wrong. How could I not?)

Odd how neither of these posts rhyme.

[SocioPath]

Odd how neither of these posts rhyme.

I see no need to make my quotes rhyme,
or to have off topic sentences be in time.

When I quote you I do not change your word,
so doing the same with the bible would be absurd.

O RLY? Except you DID change the words:

But God came to Kpaca in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man

This is not a quote.
Its a creation of you.

Does that mean you can say things like:

God tells me you are scum, and screw rhyming.

And this one:

(Off topic: Of course I spelled Genesis wrong. How could I not?)

Off topic chatter is fine?
Ok, but yours pertains to a misquote dealing with this game that you are trying to pass as non-relevant.

(Off topic: He sure is gone a lot, I wonder if that has anything to do with his alignment. Doesn't matter to me anyways, because I don't have to rhyme when talking like this, AMIRITE GUYS?)

[SocioPath]

My only guess as to why this game seems so dead, with a larger chunk of inactives as compared to normal, is the general troubles with the site.

The pace of this game is as sluggish as the site itself.

[SocioPath]

Google is fun.
See the following: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/member.php?u=4492
We get our wonderful disappeared player, follow up by going to his posts you will see that he's playing mafia on that forum. Further confirmation is given by the date of birthday he mentioned here, as compared to the birthday on his profile there.
Also, if you shift through his posts, you can he see that he has posted there everyday, save the 10th.
So yeah, since he's playing mafia there, I don't think he forgot about this. Let's lynch him.

Vote: Kpaca

Thats some hardcore metaing. I'd enough to make me vote him on that alone, except for me already voting him.

But this:

It'd be nice to at least get a claim out of him.

[SocioPath]

So guys, Sanhora is pretty much confirmed town now.

This is a terrible stance to take.
Scum play to their win condition until days after postmortem.

Sanhora actually hasn't SAID anything yet.
Your stance on such events is shifty, at best.

[SocioPath]

Well it seems if Bert is a bit of a whiner, isn't he.

Unvote

I have no idea what conclusions should be drawn from that, as the replacement still was at L-1.
Meaning Alby could have changed his vote at any time, instead of crying home.

Vote: ABR

I'm definitely leaning towards scum though, and since a replacement is on the way, hope no future votes of his will count either.

[SocioPath]

ABR hammered. Sanhora, thinking that he was dead, posted along the lines of "Nice going, idiot, I could have proven my role!" It's a genuine-looking reaction that heavily implies Sanhora is town.

No, its not.
There is no 'I was lynched' reaction that implies heavily someone is town.
Especially when they don't actually say anything.

simply because Sanhora's reaction to the "hammer" gave us meta information.

No, it didn't.

At least San apparently would have cleared himself.

Continue to believe that at your own peril.

Also, you used the word "shifty." Are you implying that you don't just disagree with me, but that you think I have scum motivations for concluding that Sanhora was town? Can you explain this more?

Its certainly not a town motivation to go 'oh he is cleared, moving on' without him actually saying anything. You are jumping all over his defense before even he has anything to say for himself.

ABR replacing out out of the game because his hammer didn't count and the leading suspect suddenly became cleared?

This. Did. Not. Happen. At. All.
Read the flow of events.
Now read them again.
Only AFTER the mod came in and said the vote didn't count, would it have made sense that ABR was asked to have been replaced.
TWO posts happened after that fact.
You saying Sanhora was 'pretty much confirmed town' and my post in response to that one.

During the Sanhora talking, ABR wouldn't have been asked to be replaced.
Because its not like he went 'OH I HAMMERED A GUY THAT SAYS HE CAN CONFIRM HIMSELF WHILE TALKING IN TWILIGHT, OH SHI- REPLACE REPLACE!'

Then the mod said it wouldn't count.
Then your post, then mine.
Because its not like he went 'OH MINA SAID HE IS PRETTY MUCH CONFIRMED TOWN NOW, OH SHI- REPLACE REPLACE!'
Consider the fact that he could have CHANGED HIS VOTE AT ANY TIME IN ORDER TO SUCCESSFULLY HAMMER SANHORA.

And its certainly not he looked at MY post in response to yours and was like 'WELL HE MIGHT NOT ACTUALLY BE CONFIRMED TOWN, OH SHI- REPLACE REPLACE!'


And as far as anyone 'confirming' ANYthing, first and foremost:
REMEMBER THIS ISN'T A STRAIGHT FORWARD GAME.
ANYTHING "CONFIRMABLE" IS MOST LIKELY BASTARDLY.

[SocioPath]

He didn't actually say anything? Um...what the hell are you talking about?

Here are two of Sanhora's posts, IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE HAMMER!

And he didn't say anything in those posts.

Emphasis on "could be proven," "Seems I'll die sooner than the rose," "dramatic last words" and "my flip will show why." Pretty obviously an "I was lynched" reaction. He acted very confident that he'd flip town and other players would react in a certain way to the information from his flip. What's the point of such an elaborate charade if we'll all know he's scum in two minutes, anyway?

There is no 'I was lynched' reaction that implies heavily someone is town.

Yeah, every once in a blue moon, scum string things along just for fun after a hammer, rather than post "Bah, go scum!" I didn't get that impression from Sanhora's posts because of how many supporting details there were. But fine, calling him "confirmed town" was a little hasty. Do you agree that his reaction was a strong towntell?

There is no 'I was lynched' reaction that implies heavily someone is town.

I'm starting to doubt that you believe what you're arguing. What useful information could we have got from his reaction to Grimmy sparing him? "Yay, I'm alive"? "Guess what, guys, I actually

am

scum"? It's not like I defended him from a

case

before he responded. I was just stating the obvious--that Sanhora looked a hell of a lot better now. I'd argue that scum motivation would be to try to keep suspicion of Sanhora alive so as not to narrow the suspect pool.

There is no 'I was lynched' reaction that implies heavily someone is town.

I know the sequence of events. My point wasn't that ABR would have replaced out because Sanhora looked so townish that ABR was terrified of the pressure he'd be under for hammering.

My point is that if I were scum who'd put away a townie, rejoiced at the news that the hanged could have saved himself with a claim...then all of a sudden, had the rug pulled out from under me and been told that my vote didn't count--well, I'd be a little pissed off. I find it more likely that ABR would replace out to protest a mod decision that harmed his faction than to protest yet another deadline extension. I'll admit it's just a theory, though.

So, the logic flow of events, is that you assume ABR got replaced because of twilight.
Or the 'OH WHY WASN'T THE MOD ON THE SECOND I HAMMERED I EXPECTED THE THREAD TO BE IMMEDIATELY LOCKED OH SHI- REPLACE REPLACE!'

As for re-hammering...well, if you think he looks scummy now for hammering before a Sanhora claim, then imagine if he'd quickhammered AFTER Sanhora had claimed to have a provable role. He'd be lynched within twenty minutes tomorrow.

And yet he wanted replacement, which is worse in my eyes, because not only is the whole scummy intention their, the coward ran away without manning up to his actions.

Anyway, like Iecerint said, why are you voting for ABR if you don't have a problem with him replacing out?

Where did those words come from that you are putting in my mouth?
Just because Sanhora isn't cleared, doesn't mean Bert is.

I think the fact that Sanhora said it was confirmable

after

our perception of him no longer mattered implies that

he

believed

it was confirmable, at the very least

.

Bolded may very well be true although regardless of alignment, first part not so much.

I don't see the point of outing another power role today.

Me either.

I'm much more confident in Sanhora's innocence than ABR's guilt.

I'm much more confident in ABR's guilt than Sanhora's innocence.

I almost find him too scummy to be scum.

Fallacy.

But why do you think my clearing Sanhora was scummy? This isn't a loaded question. I'm genuinely surprised I'm the only one who thinks Sanhora's reaction to the "hammer" was townish. I'd like to hear more opinions.

There is no 'I was lynched' reaction that implies heavily someone is town.

For my repeated quote of emphasis, I can link you to many games where scum proved such time and time again. Actually...scratch that. Just click on a random game, and you are likely to see at least one scum doing such, some more to the extent than other. In fact, one game comes to mind that the GAME WAS GOING TO BE CANCELED, and yet the scum still were playing that card. TO THE POINT IT WAS CLEAR THEY WERE SCUM BECAUSE OF THEIR INCESSANT BEHAVIOR. (At least, clear to me.)

[SocioPath]

I don't know ABR very well, but he's supposedly an experienced player. Would an experienced player try to "quickhammer" town? Especially one Day One? If the lynch had gone through he would've been under intense scrutiny the next day.

That's what I meant when I said to SocioPath that ABR is "almost too scummy to be scum." He doesn't seem to worry about how he's perceived. But maybe you and SP should duke this one out. (I'd be very interested in seeing that. It would help me make up my mind on ABR.)

Oh? You mean like how ABR's style this game has been essentially: VLA, LURK LURK LURK, FLUFF LURK FLUFF, LURK LURK QUICKLYNCH REPLACE.

The only person he legitamately made an attempt to attack was Mordy.

Trying to Appeal to his Authority is silly.
A long time player does not make a good player.
I've read many games with him in them, I've played games that he has modded (a great game none-the-less), and I even know the where abouts of his title origin. (Read: it was not based on his good game play, quite the opposite.)
Just because a player has been around for a long time, and played well in the past, does not make them immune to even the dumbest of moves.
Nor does it prevent players from completely changing the way that they are perceived through later actions.

For example with RayFrost, the first game I played with him, I was very much enjoying his playing, and his very townieness. He was active, he had many of the same opinions I shared, and made very logical arguments.
Since then though every game I've seen him in has been very less than par. Mostly lurking, noncontributing, and getting replaced.

I feel kind of guilty for this vote, because Mordy isn't the most antitown player out there. But at least I can buy that my problems with my other suspects are playstyle-related. This is light-years away from Mordy's town meta. It's unfair to penalize him for having played well in another game, but such is life.

Bummer. I'm scum because, even though I'm not the most antitown player out there, my play here is different than my town meta.

Its a legitimate cause for concern.

I think Mina has a case of "If I'm pushy I'm not scum"
and she thinks the argument doesn't matter

It works, for me, and as such I'm not voting her anytime soon.

Also, its better to be pushy and active and actively pushy, than nonattentive to the point where you have to be asked the same questions over a quarter of dozen times.

[SocioPath]

Its a legitimate cause for concern.

Is it? Then why aren't you attacking me or voting for me? How legitimate is it? How is it legitimate?

Let me guess, you are one of those people that scream, 'META IS USELESS! IGNORE IT!'

It's sneaky scummy gameplay -- attempting to attack people (or legitimize attacks on people) without actually following through or pursuing the comment.

Thats cute, consider I was responding to your 'defense' of just ignoring the point at hand. Your sarcastic dissonance does not eliminate the very legitimate point.

Then why aren't you attacking me or voting for me?

There are bigger fish to fry.

Your shrugging off of something so potentially significant isn't something to be ignored.

Nice straw man response though.

[SocioPath]

SP, you've been voting ABR since his panic attack. What do you think of MM?

His active lurking inattentiveness is scummy as hell.

[SocioPath]

Let me guess, you are one of those people that scream, 'META IS USELESS! IGNORE IT!'

Nope. I'm one of those people who scream, (or say), if you believe my meta differs from my town meta is troubling ways, please explain and illustrate why. If you don't, I've gotta assume you're just blowing smoke. I'm also one of those people who feel blowing smoke is scum behavior 101.

This is a HUGE, blatant of misrepresentation of actions.
I'm not the one that did the meta research that you scoffed at half-assedly.
I was calling out your scoffing of the research.
You trying to pin said actions on me because I don't have a vote on you is scummy as hell.

RayFrost's RVS is Grimmy, which is to me a way to avoid giving himself away by accident.

How convienient for you to not realise EVERYONE VOTED GRMMY.
As part of the conformation process.
Nothing like scum to half-assedly pick a target and tunnel, eh?

He declares scumbag SocioPath to be town, which boggled my mind. The fawning over ABR disgusts me - it's as if he wants to suck up to avoid random lightning strikes from his God. Also, I was only half-joking when I called his replacement scum. He's already lurking.

Odd stance to take, given that you make zero mention of Iec's ABR fawning, whom you seem to be fawning over yourself.

kpaca on the other hand gives me a queasy feeling, he is overly careful and tentative. Pretty much everything he's been writing on page 4 is a good example. His vote for MonkeyMan is pretty awful. I see he has been replaced by Sanhora. Gah! The scummiest player has a provable claim!

Don't forget the whole deal with kpaca being WILDLY active in other games while posting less than nothing in this one.

SocioPath's vote of Icerint is scummy as hell. Looks like scum trying to spread suspicion on a solid townie. Unacceptable. Also, his assault on the game's Bard makes me cringe.

No. My vote was appropriate as hell.
Iec was blatantly misrepresenting me for something HE KNEW AS FACT to be FALSE.
He was 'calling' out my absent behavior, in a shifty-ass way, when he knew what he was saying to be outright false.

Well folks I got you some scum, and that scum is RayFrost/danakillsu.

DIE SCUM DIE

unvote, vote: danakillsu formerly known as RayFrost

So your case on RF is essentially, HE COMFIRMED FOR THE GAME, and sucked up to ABR (which your IecBuddy did as well I remind you.)
And that the replacement has yet to post anything useful in the less than 24 hours that he was posting in the game...riiiiight.

Not buying it, scumbag.

Whatever. Lynch me. It looks like I walked in on a bad situation.

...There are no words...

[SocioPath]

I'm interested.

I think Sociopath is scum too. Why exactly isn't he voting for anyone?

LERN2REED

I want to be involved in this game, which means I don't like it when I immediately get a bunch of votes.

You had two votes.
TWO VOTES.
And it wasn't immediate.
You came in, and posted beforehand.
With already had starting the defeatist attitude talking about game hate and not wanting to read.

[SocioPath]

Now explain how 2 votes = "a bunch" and causes the defeatist attitude.

[SocioPath]

I am okay with either a dana or MM lynch today. Also I am still fully in support of continuing to play this game.

This is a suspicious post. It's almost like this is just so he doesn't get prodded. Also, how can you still be okay with lynching me? Do you not believe my claim?

This is a terrible post. It's almost like this is just so he doesn't get it that everyone was mass prodded.

[SocioPath]

Im gonna send out a mass prod and end this week on Friday.

But I wasn't mass prodded. And way to just copy off of what I said.

But you didn't read the thread. And way to just notice what I said.

[SocioPath]

I'm not feeling a MM lynch today.

[SocioPath]

Game, Set, And Match.

[SocioPath]

Poor Grimmy.

Not really. It was his fault for doing something as silly as that.

This game just got broken into a million pieces like shattered glass of a magic mirror.

[SocioPath]

Damn sure he's the Godfather, that Geopetto guy, whatever.

Rapunzel was almost certianly combined into my role.

Part of my role is that I'm a limitted mason with Vulko Crow. Vulko Crow is Sociopath.

Wait, shit. Time to fullclaim.
I'm Clara, so I'm breaking my PR right now since the penalty isn't that harsh.
Apparently if Vulko dies I might become an SK which might suck.
I had already vigged Monkey.

Grimmy almost certainly combined Rapunzel and Clara into one role.

Aaaaaaaaaand there it is.
You took longer than I thought though.
Less than 4 hours until deadline, you were really cutting it close.

If the required amount of votes are not reached, then the day will end in a NO LYNCH.

Tick.
Tock.

[SocioPath]

What's the difference between Vullko and Joel Crow?

Vulko and Joel are brothers. Joel cuts hair, Vulko dates Clara.

Why does your vig have a delayed effect?

If you want to kill someone, you must send me the name of the person you are targeting at least 24 Real World hours before the end of the Game Day. It will take you at least that long to find the person you are targeting and set up a stealthy attack. Your kills will normally occur at dusk and be revealed in the end-of-day report.

And why was your immediate reaction to vote DoS rather than Sociopath?

GOOD QUESTION.

[SocioPath]

So you're not even denying it.

One look at the parallels and it would be silly to think it would be any other way.
The Joel/Vulko claim.
The limited mason claim.

I figure I may as well have fun with it...considering deadline is less than 2 1/2 hours away.

[SocioPath]

Well played, SocioPath. A few of your arguments rang falsed, but I dismissed it as a playstyle thing and thought you were too controversial to be scum.

It was a playstyle thing though.
Thats why I got so many dismissive 'oh he is town' comments.

[SocioPath]

Won't you turn into a serial killer no matter when we lynch him, though?

If he dies as town, I don't see why he would switch postmortem, unwise that almost the same as starting as an SK.



I'll throw him a bone though.

Unvote
Vote: Ellibereth

COMPETING SCUM LYNCHES!
WOO!

[SocioPath]

If you become a SK, I guess we have to lynch you, anyway. Might as well give you a chance to win.

Yeah, A claimed SK is lynchbait anyways, at least with his lynch, it gives him a chance at winning.
Whereas with my death doesn't automatically mean a loss.

You probably would have died before SP.

With the other role information out there, and the information I knew he had, he wouldn't have lived to see the next day.
That is, until he realized what everything meant and took me down with him.

[SocioPath]

This is probably going to be abandoned anyway...

Well there are still 2 1/2 scums out there, and more roles than players to choose from. And the 1/2 is already secured in their role.

[SocioPath]

SP: Two-and-a-

half

? Interesting.

Wait a minute. I just realized that we have to lynch SocioPath as soon as possible. Geppetto is the MAFIA RECRUITER! I'm not sure if he starts recruiting on N0 or N1, but if he lives an extra day, the Mafia will get another teammate.

It starts N0, concludes N1, so by D2 my children will start to run around freely, and your scum lists will all be inaccurate.

But don't worry, if there is a NL today. And you lynch Elli tomorrow, then you can still get me before I pop out another one, because of the 2 night procedure.

But if by some miracle, I get a mass of votes in 45 minutes, then that just means Elli auto-loses.

[SocioPath]

Ugh. I hate, hate, HATE cult games. I think players should be warned in advance if alignments can change.

It was heavily implied in the sign up that such mechanics would have a role.

[SocioPath]

Dear Scum: Please mercy kill me tonight. Thanks.

You had your chance at that, then you opened yer big mouth. ;o

[SocioPath]

Oh man, this is too fun.

Vote: Play

BANDWAGON!

[SocioPath]

I'd be extremely biased in voting continue or not because of my role...

Abstain

Well you've got my vote. ;D

I'm voting to keep you TOWN!

[SocioPath]

SUP GUYS?

SO WHO WE IS GONNA LYNCH TODAY?

DER BE SCUMBAGS CREEPIN' 'ROUND HEA'

[SocioPath]

I HAVE GOOD NEWS GUYS.
I killed two people D1, so I became "depressed" and split away from my beloved Vulko, hence I will no longer be dismayed by his death. (I'll stay town after Socio dies).
The bad news is I lose my vig. Whatevs.

Vote: Socio

I SMELL A GAMBIT.
GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.
LET ME KNOW HOW THAT WORKS OUT FOR YOU.

[SocioPath]

SO THAT FRAU GUY DIED HUH?

I TOTALLY DID NOT SEE THAT COMING.

[SocioPath]

TRANSLATION:

EVEN IF ALL YOU SCUM TRY TO SPEED LYNCH A POOR, DEFENSELESS TOWNIE, DISCUSSION WON'T END UNTIL THREE DAYS FROM NOW.

[SocioPath]

DOS, I THINK A MASS CLAIM IS BAD AT THIS POINT BECAUSE IT WILL GIVE SCUM TOO MUCH INFORMATION.

[SocioPath]

ELLI IS A DUDE.

CHECK THE GENDER ICON.

[SocioPath]

I SMELL A BANDWAGON.

[SocioPath]

I HAVE AMNESIA.

I THINK ELLI IS THE MAFIA GODFATHER.

I AM A LIMITED MASON WITH HIM.

IN THE OTHER GAME THE LIMITED MASON IS WITH THE MAFIA GF.

ERGO ELLI MUST BE THE MAFIA GF.

VOTE: ELLI

[SocioPath]

TRYING TO SAVE ME FOR A LATER MISLYNCH HUH?

I SEE THROUGH YOUR INGENIOUS PLAN.

ILL LYNCH MYSELF FIRST SO YOU CANT.

YOU WOULDNT SEE THAT COMING.

[SocioPath]

MY REACTIONS YESTERDAY ARE SHOULD BE WHAT I AM JUDGED ON.

[SocioPath]

I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE ANYTIME SOON.

YOU GUYS ARE STUCK WITH ME.

HAND IN HAND.

DANCING.

[SocioPath]

I'VE GOT ALL DAY.

[SocioPath]

TRANSLATION:

EVEN IF ALL YOU SCUM TRY TO SPEED LYNCH A POOR, DEFENSELESS TOWNIE, DISCUSSION WON'T END UNTIL THREE DAYS FROM NOW.

[SocioPath]

SO WHO WANTS TO DISCUSS SOME GAME STRATEGIES?

I HAVE SOME THEORIES AS TO WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE SCUM.

[SocioPath]

LYING?

THAT IS THE MOST ABSURD THOUGHT THAT SOMEONE COULD POSSIBLY HAVE.

MY WORDS ARE THE VOICES THAT REIGN DOWN FROM THE HEAVENS THEMSELVES.

[SocioPath]

TRANSLATION:

EVEN IF ALL YOU SCUM TRY TO SPEED LYNCH A POOR, DEFENSELESS TOWNIE, DISCUSSION WON'T END UNTIL THREE DAYS FROM NOW.

[SocioPath]

ALSO.

HERE IS MY LIST OF POSSIBLE SCUM:
DANAKILLSU
DRAGONSOFSUMMER
DRIPPINGGOOFBALL
ELLIBERETH
IECERINT
SANHORA


IN NO GIVEN ORDER OTHER THAN ALPHABETICAL.

[SocioPath]

NEWS OF THE DAY:

I HAVE A FEELING THAT MAKES ME THINK THAT SEXY MAFIA GODFATHER RECRUITED EVERYONE ELSE.

IN CONCLUSION, YOU ARE ALL SCUM AND NEED TO DIE.

QUICK!

EVERYONE!

GET IN HERE!

CLAIM YOUR ROLES!

I'VE GOT A HANKERIN' FOR A MASS CLAIMIN'

OH WAIT NEVERMIND YOU GUYS ALREADY DID THAT.

AND THEN I ETCHED IT ALL INSIDE OF MY BRAIN.

JUST ASK FRAU.

OH WAIT. YOU CANT. HE IS DEAD.

[SocioPath]

LOOKED LIKE A MAN TO ME.

SCREAMED LIKE ONE TOO.

[SocioPath]

.NOOS EMITYNA EREHWYNA GNIOG TON M'I

.EM HTIW KCUTS ERA SYUG UOY

.DNAH NI DNAH

.GNICNAD

TFQ

[SocioPath]

I HAVE A FEELING THAT MAKES ME THINK THAT SEXY MAFIA GODFATHER RECRUITED EVERYONE ELSE.

LUST

I SMELL A BANDWAGON.

GLUTTONY

TRYING TO SAVE ME FOR A LATER MISLYNCH HUH?

I SEE THROUGH YOUR INGENIOUS PLAN.

ILL LYNCH MYSELF FIRST SO YOU CANT.

YOU WOULDNT SEE THAT COMING.

GREED

EVEN IF ALL YOU SCUM TRY TO SPEED LYNCH A POOR, DEFENSELESS TOWNIE, DISCUSSION WON'T END UNTIL THREE DAYS FROM NOW.

SLOTH

SO THAT FRAU GUY DIED HUH?

I TOTALLY DID NOT SEE THAT COMING.

PRIDE

LOOKED LIKE A MAN TO ME.

SCREAMED LIKE ONE TOO.

WRATH

I HAVE AMNESIA.

I THINK ELLI IS THE MAFIA GODFATHER.

I AM A LIMITED MASON WITH HIM.

IN THE OTHER GAME THE LIMITED MASON IS WITH THE MAFIA GF.

ERGO ELLI MUST BE THE MAFIA GF.

VOTE: ELLI

ENVY





THIS PROVES MY INNOCENCE.

[SocioPath]

I REJECT YOUR REALITY AND SUBSTITUTE MY OWN.

[SocioPath]

ANOTHER TIDBIT PROVING MY INNOCENCE:

IF I WAS SOME SORT OF MAFIA GODFATHER, I WOULD SAY SOMETHING ABOUT TARGETING THE PLAYER THAT "WOULD SEEM TO BE THE BEST" QUOTE UNQUOTE.

AND SINCE I HAVENT, IM CLEARLY THE WRONG GUY.

I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS EVEN SUPPOSED TO MEAN.

[SocioPath]

AND BY TARGET I WOULD MEAN KILL.

BUT I WOULDNT MEAN THAT.

BECAUSE I WOULDNT HAVE SAID THAT.

I OVERHEARD ELLI SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT THOUGH.

DID I MENTION THAT WE ARE LIMITED MASONS?

TURNS OUT HE TALKED TO ME WHEN HE MEANT TO TALK TO HIS SCUM GUY.

HE SAID THAT.

HE WAS ALL "OOPS. DISREGARD THAT MESSAGE. THAT MESSAGE WAS FOR SCUM. THAT MESSAGE WASNT FOR YOU, YOU IGNORANT TOWNIE...I MEAN MASON BUDDY."

I DONT KNOW WHAT HE MEANT BY THAT EITHER THOUGH.

[SocioPath]

SEE?

I TOLD YOU I WAS CLARA.

LOOK AT MY SEXY FIGURE.

I GET ALL THE CROWS.

[SocioPath]

I CANT FIND MY BOOK.
VERY NICE BOOK.
AND NOW IT IS GONE LIKE LEAVES IN AUTUMN.
BUT OF ALL THE THINGS IVE LOST...
I MISS MY MIND THE MOST.

[SocioPath]

HI IM NEW HERE.

ASL?

[SocioPath]

WELL THAT GAME WAS CERTAINLY AMUSING.

And I managed to go down and tie zero scum to me. ;o

Also, I was secretly trying to help our team the previous day before I knew Iec didn't have a vote.

In another game that ended that Dana was in, as soon as I saw him place a vote on Elli, I posted in that game calling for a massive post to keep him distracted, he was lynch-bait at that point and was likely going to be run up.

After I saw Elli was impossible to vote though, I gave up my subterfuge.
Note the times:
FABLES
LRCM

[SocioPath]

I DO WHAT I CAN.

[SocioPath]

GASP!
The truth is out, Grimmy!