mini 883-Krazy Mafia Disaster- Game Over. Who won?

[UncertainKitten]

And I am not trying to find scum by putting pressure on people with no content? (Enough of the condescending writing style, too, please. It's not becoming.)

That's just the way I am. Sorry. And no, it's a nice fluffy stance to take to act like you are contributing when you...aren't

UK is FB. Right?

No, I'm a totally completely different entity with the same avatar, birthday, and signature.

There's a world of difference between my first two posts and RBT's first two posts. After my first two posts, I had a vote on somebody, and was questioning the person that my vote was on. After RBT's first two posts, he'd sort of vaguely made the same statement as lay behind my question, but had no vote on anybody, and said he had his eye on you, for some reason (and that seems to have been a joke). I think that my first two posts had more impact on the game than his, and therefore I think I was perfectly justified in taking the stance I did.

No, it wasn't a joke, it was a reference to our last game together. Further, having a vote out doesn't necessarily mean anything. Especially when it's, yanno, a random vote. Both of you produced about the same content in the same amount of posts. I'd actually argue RBT gave us more to work with.

And this isn't content how?

It's weak content for someone calling everyone else out. More importantly, your defense didn't seem to involve much scumhunting out of rage for RBT.

I don't see how most of the posts you linked to are high quality content that is demonstrably better than mine. Your first seven posts are all about your role and asking for no discussion on it, for example, which isn't the most useful thing in the world. My post about the people not yet contributing, in contrast, affects significantly more players.

Well, obviously you missed the fact that I was totally on tajo for rolefishing, as well as others who were pushing the issue. There was far more scumhunting in those posts than you had exhibited until recently.

Your eighth post is spam, your ninth, tenth and eleventh aren't useful either... then you begin your little stoush with me, but interestingly, accuse me of reiterating and not providing content. Did you yourself not reiterate quite a lot regarding your own role?

Difference being I reiterated actual content. You reiterated "OMG, Lurkers suck"

What more messages could I send to people, who - let us not forget - are actually not actively posting? Should I obnoxiously post a message in big bold text at the top of every page? Wouldn't FL love that?

Wouldn't care if you posted other content as well ^-^

ort is acting weird. Does he NORMALLY do this?

[UncertainKitten]

Uncertainkitten, are you an open minded person regarding sex?

No, not at all, I'm a prude

/me rolls her eyes.

I'm quite open regarding these things. In more than one way depending on a few factors.

[UncertainKitten]

I don't think I'm getting anywhere with FL/UK. It's basically gotten to the 'NO U' stage, which is pretty useless. I would like Pom to weigh in again, since she's dropped out of the conversation despite starting it.

Smart. Overall, I think you are less likely to be scum then CSL right now.

Finally, how is IIoA early on day one scummy? I would accept that it is scummy late on day one, but to demand analysis when there's not even any information seems a bit of a reach to me.

Eh, I guess I'd like to think if you are demanding information and analysis, you should probably be generating some.

[UncertainKitten]

Btw: Kill Zazier . I'm unpleased because I didn't realize he was playing this game. You may discuss this. Think of this like a breath of new activity being injected to this game.

Is this really real? Like, srsly real?

[UncertainKitten]

Huh, interesting, vote counts don't reset after a kill.

Also, why is Zaz still in the votecount?

He isn't

Also, I just like saying also a lot.

[UncertainKitten]

So, anyway, I'd probably vote Ort just to get the inevitable jester flip out of the way :S.

[UncertainKitten]

ZazieR is definitely a kill magnet. Deary.

Well, to be fair, it would have been nice if you had been shot given your...acting, but what's done is done.

I was hoping to get some good reads out of acting like that but I realised I don't know some of these players well enough...Damn.

So, in other words it was completely useless. You knew the playerlist when you started the game, I assume, right? So...why precisely did it take you so long to come to this realization?

[UncertainKitten]

Yes, I also doubt the killer is town. I probably would have shot myself if I were a pro-town vig. Pretty much just not keeping up with the game turned into smartarse replies and the realisation that I could engage in some fun meta-shaping. I didn't pay attention to the playerlist when I signed up, just the fact it was a Kmd game, with a bastard theme. And ironically people probably assumed I was a jester as a result. LOL.

@Town
Btw: Kill Zazier . I'm unpleased because I didn't realize he was playing this game. You may discuss this. Think of this like a breath of new activity being injected to this game.

So, about that, where's your vote?

[UncertainKitten]

I'm sorry. Are you even PART of this game?

Talilan is ort. More specifically ort and Talitha but yeah.

[UncertainKitten]

Pom is scum. I am scumhunting now. Lynch pls.

Why is she scum again?

[UncertainKitten]

Pom and UK are echoing each other so much it's not funny.

Well, I can't help it when at least one person in this game is actually thinking ^-^

I really wish ort would do stuff that made sense. It'd make me feel less encouraged to feel like pseudo voting him. Not that that really does anything :S.

[UncertainKitten]

Anyone feel like doing vote count analysis? I'm vaguely curious if CSL's switches have always been to the wagon with the most votes ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

I'm sure it is...

So it's something like that, is it CSL?

I'd like to remind everyone the genre of this game before we continue attacking CSL based on bandwagon criteria.

Can you elaborate any more on your...ah, let's call it a compulsion, shall we, CSL?

[UncertainKitten]

ortolan seems like a good choice. I'd probably vote him. his behavior feels too inconsistent to have role reasons.

CSL, however, feels like he has something restricting him. That said, I want him to post content. I doubt you'd be so restricted that you can *only* mindlessly bandwagon. Opinions. Nao.

Haylen I was unaware was playing. Where are you? Or am I just inattentive?

[UncertainKitten]

Second off, I'm playing to win, not playing to be mindless and a buffoon.

Now now, I never called you a buffoon. I also only implied that your actions so far have been mindless bandwagoning. Also, that last post didn't involve opinions. Could you please give us those? I'd really rather not lynch someone I, for the time being, has a slightly higher than random chance of being town due to behavior possibly being bastard mod related.

I wouldnt mind getting rid of csl. Yeah, there is always the risk of the village idiot but I really prefer to get rid of these players in early days. Risk we dont have with ortolan who has admitted purposely playing like this. And has not improved since.

I'm not leaning village idiot. I lean bastard moddery. Does anyone have a meta on CSL?

[UncertainKitten]

Want a votecount?

That'd be pretty cool too, but that's kmd's contribution. What I'd like is your opinions on all players playing this game. Even if you do it like tajo did, I'd be happy.

[UncertainKitten]

After some games with him, village idiot meta.

Why do you lean bastard moddery?

Cause I'd totally put in a role that HAD to join the biggest bandwagon everytime there was a shift in voting. I'm not so inelegant as to say they can't admit it, but who knows, maybe kmd is. I'd also make them a double voter, but that's just me being a bitch.

I think you'll notice a similar role in TTGL mafia, that wasn't QUITE as bastardly ^-^.

I'm not playing like a VI anymore, I'm more fitting my compulsive meta now.

Ok, this post. What benefit did it give the town?

[UncertainKitten]

What benefit did this post give the town? I see none more than what my post provided.

One difference. I had far more than that in that post. You quoted on excerpt. I'd also argue I had more of a benefit since I was calling you out on wasteful posting when you COULD be helping the town...if you indeed are as I assume you'd propose if asked.

[UncertainKitten]

You know what? I'd like to pretend most of the posts above mine, except for DTs, don't exist.

I think I'll do that.

It's good for my sanity

I'm still uncomfortable giving CSL a meta pass :S. But is the bandwagoning included in that meta, DT?

[UncertainKitten]

Wait, Haylen still hasn't voted someone useful yet? Not good.

[UncertainKitten]

Certainly more useful than this one:

Again, I have my reasons for not voting. I'm at least telegraphing who I'd currently be voting if I felt it would benefit the town for me to be voting, which it doesn't at this time.

I wish I knew why Poro wasn't voting. Or rather, I wish I knew if he had a reason whatsoever for it.

I'd still vote Ort ^-^

[UncertainKitten]

I wasnt voting because I didnt need to initially. Now its because Im needing the time to read through before commenting.

I eagerly anticipate said commentary ^-^

[UncertainKitten]

Oh God, a PBPA...

Well, it's better than what's been posted by Haylen so far so, I'll roll with it ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

Aww...that would have been AWESOME for my PPD had I been hit

[UncertainKitten]

So we move onto how to fix this. We could restart, have a "new" random phase. We could ask the mod if he could provide a vote count more frequently? Or we could put pressure on the person who has not really done anything so far beyond useless posturing. vote ortolan

But what are your thoughts on CSL, who also hasn't done much?

But yeah, I get what you mean about 11 pages of pretty much nothing.

[UncertainKitten]

Very Empking-ish.

Useless person would also have no problem voting him to get this show on the road.

I lean ort over CSL at the moment. But CSL is still a valid target.

[UncertainKitten]

Wow, nothing is happening. Get on with a damn lynch, so I can go home.

What, softclaiming D1 survivor ^-^?

[UncertainKitten]

I'm saying, if you really think ortolan is scum, lynch him.

But how can you go home after that? Assumably there is anywhere from 1-2 scum left, and third parties probably exist (bastard game), and assumably you'd like us to think you town ^-^. So, the go home portion of your statement puzzled me .

[UncertainKitten]

I puzzle people all of the time. For instance, I try to convince people I'm town in one game, they lynch me. Turns out, I'm right, they're wrong, we're done.

See, the thing about that is, you seem to be doing it wrong. You aren't out to convince people you are town unless you are scum. What you are ACTUALLY out to do is find scum. And um...reading your posts, I see very little effort in that direction. Could you at least try a little harder to find the scum ^-^?

[UncertainKitten]

Eh, ortolan is our best bet.

But there isn't likely to be just one scum this game.

Who else? If you had to call a three man scum team right now, who would you accuse?

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP: And why, even

[UncertainKitten]

It's Day 1. It's too early to call out a scumteam right now, as far as I know.

Well, sure, you probably won't be right. But you'd at least be committed to a position as a starting point. One that you'd be able to revise throughout the game. But forcing you to make that first commitment can be very enlightening as flips appear.

Will you at least humor me?

[UncertainKitten]

That said, my top three are Julien, Tajo, and debate between Haylen/UK.

See, this is good.

Now, what I'd like to know is why you think these things. Naming names is one thing, naming reasons is another ^-^

If I were to conjure up reasons why so-and-so were good lynch bets, it'll have to wait until tomorrow.

tomorrow as in Saturday...

right

?

[UncertainKitten]

Yes. Saturday. It's almot 11, and I have to get up early for my sister's bday party, lol.

That's fine then ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

Ort and CSL are being useless and I would probably be willing to vote them, but so far they seem the 'obvious' choices, and I don't like to focus on the obvious in anything. That said, this doesn't mean they're not acting in a scummy manner, and I have found scum in the past by lynching the people who are obviously scummy.

This...rubs me the wrong way. It feels both like "Hey, this is too easy, let's look elsewhere. Um...but wait, I HAVE found scum by lynching the scum in front of me before". It's basically leaving your options open in a big way, like you are pre emptively justifying a planned arbitrary switch.


But that's just the vibe I get.

unvote vote CSL since I last posted the choice between him and orto became infinitely easier.

Well, I'm actually hoping to see something from him today so I won't move my not actually a vote yet.

[UncertainKitten]

Seriously... I cant believe that beyond 1 possibly 2 players I am the most active and Im spending most of my day revising for my exam tomorrow. Mod Can we have a prod on almost everyone.

This. I'm trying to get my PPD up! I can't do that if I have no one to respond to!

[UncertainKitten]

I dont understand why there seems to be a consensus regarding these players yet there arent more votes on both of these guys.

Makes me feel better about them dying, actually. Too quick a bandwagon would have sounded alarms.

That said, people who don't have reasons to not vote, vote, please. More specifically, vote csl or ort

[UncertainKitten]

why in god's name are we not lynching ortolan? Jester, Scum or Policy-lynch worthy, he's the one who needs to go gentle (or not) into this good night.

Why aren't we lynching csl? Jester, scum, or policy-lynch worthy, he's not much better than ort. By which I mean not at all.

[UncertainKitten]

Seriously? He's not been very helpful, but there's no comparison. Try doing an iso on the two guys and you'll see what I mean. Ortolan exists entirely to be irrelevant. CSL is at least commenting on the game at hand.

Is he? When I asked him for opinions, he gave a VOTECOUNT. Oh, btw, he never DID give us that post I asked for that he said he'd give Saturday. He has posted NO stances on other players, and his entire motif seems to be "wheeeeeeeeeeeeee bandwagon!". I realize orto hasn't posted stances either, but I also haven't seen ort being evasive about posting stances. I'll do a quick iso to support my memory.

[UncertainKitten]

CSL:
Noise for his posts 0-3.

Post 4 is admitting active lurking and trying to excuse it. Nicht gut

Post 5 is a soft accusation of RBT, but not one he can push. He admitted active lurking himself.

Post 6/7, useless basically.

Post 9 is a jump on Haylen, supposedly for the same reasons tajo proposed. Still no real addition.

nothing in the next two posts

Post 12 is a nice bandwagon leap to orto. At least we kinda have reasons.

Post 15...FoS' the person he's voting? Seems careless, as if he doesn't know or really care where his vote/FoS is.

[quote="CSL 16]
Not eager. She's right about me not doing anything but BW hopping and being sarcastic. No, I refuse to white-knight anyone right now. I don't need a reason. [/quote]

So, he even ADMITS he's being useless, and acts as if this should be OK?

Our argument that spanned several posts was basically just more affirmation for me that CSL wasn't planning on being helpful.

And then he posts a votecount. Which, btw, is NOT opinions on all 11 players, as I asked for!

That's DIRECTLY evading questions. And this isn't scummy?

Post 28 is like "wat?" He never said a WORD about julien before that :S

Next rash of posts is basically useless one liners.

If I were to conjure up reasons why so-and-so were good lynch bets, it'll have to wait until tomorrow.

Never happened, btw. So he STILL has created no stance.

I'll do orto next.

[UncertainKitten]

orto:

Yay first post self vote. Honestly, a null tell IMO though.

Up to post 7, it's basically screwing around...

That he admits...in post 8.

So, more of the same up to post 11, where he admits he's not getting reads.

Post 12 is just retarded, as the daykiller POSTED IN THREAD, but I think he was being a smartass.

And, post 14, out of nowhere, attacks pom for no reason.

Post 17 is actually a good point, but still not much of one.

You know what? I'm done. There's nothing here.

I've been persuaded.

I would vote ortolan. At least CSL is giving us a little bit of information. Orto is giving us NONE. His flip will be pretty much useless, but at least we stand a good chance of catching scum...

[UncertainKitten]

I don't like how people are focusing on CSL and Ort specifically, and the remainder are getting free passes, when their level of contribution is just as useless. (I'm looking at you Haylen/Julien/Tajo/Pom)

I'd like to dayvig at least a fourth of the game, but I don't exactly have that power.

Haylen I agree on.

Julien, I don't see

Tajo, I don't see

Pom, I'd have to look at again.

RBT, what contributions have you made that exceeds that of the four people you've mentioned?

[UncertainKitten]

Caught Tajo/Julien, making two scum to lynch. Very Happy

Without flips or investigations, we really can't determine that.

I mean contributions that make it easier for us to assume you are town, and or actual, reasoned cases on other players in such a way that could be considered scumhunting.

[UncertainKitten]

I didn't think you'd go this far.

How far? I'm harmless. Not even giving you the "I'd vote you" line.

If you all want to lynch me, go right ahead. I might be able to post a few, but I won't be able to post what I am wanting to post.

We have til the 24th. Surely you can generate content by then? Preferably BEFORE then?

I'm writing my PBPA now.

Give me around 6 hrs

Clock is ticking ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

UK, to clarify, I was not even saying you went THAT far. I'll post content sometime this week. Preferring Wdnesday over any day. I have a concert tomorrow evening, and will be inactive for the day, except in mish-mash, but only about 2 posts.

Ok. I guess I misunderstood?

[UncertainKitten]

UK, I find this post, and other posts of this type useless. The post is only a bunch of comments, which don't add anything to the game, but make it seem like you're doing more scumhunting. I don't find it particularly scummy, but this isn't the place to up your PPD with unnecessary posts.

Hai hai, fine, I'll try to do it less. I tend to do this overall even when I'm not thinking about PPD though.

But yes, relooking over that post, it was useless, quite ironic after accusing orto of the same. Consider your criticism acknowledged and noted.

[UncertainKitten]

Yeah haylen its 2.37pm UK Time... time to get it done. Im sick of waiting for you.

Is Haylen in the UK? It's 9:42 AM EST so it could early for her.

[UncertainKitten]

I'm UK time. Yes, I missed my deadline, i've also missed 3 assignment deadlines in the past week.

Ok. Well, you've at least started. Please, continue posting your PBPA ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

Poro has basically summed up why CSL and orto are both terrible. And the main reason I'd pick ort over CSL.

[UncertainKitten]

Huh. Orto's behavior reminds me of another caught scum in a previous game that has ended. To the end she insisted she was town and got rather irritated at people for calling her scum.

I know you can't really use meta like that (for two different people, yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah), but I think it's a similar phenomenon here. He'll just fight to the end until someone hammers him.

[UncertainKitten]

Ew. Asking for a 3 man scum team right now is very scummy because you focus on finding scum links before they are even established. Ew... I pew pew you!~

Please, explain why this is scummy. Rather, why focusing on finding scum links before they are established is scummy?

[UncertainKitten]

read between the lines porochaz. it's not enough. I would never settle for that in a game. I would want to boost my rep by catching scum day one instead of joining one of two (probably) terrible wagons. why aren't you doing the same thing?

Terrible wagons? I dunno, both of them seem pretty good. I'll admit that if both of you are just playing terrible town, the scum are having a field day though :S.

[UncertainKitten]

Still not voting today, sorry.

Amazed I didn't get killed given how obvious a PR I am.

As for killing roles, we have a mafia, probably a vig, and probably an SK.

The mafia made the mistake of targetting RBT, town bomb.

The vig sucks at shooting.

The SK probably figured winnowing town numbers was wiser.

Unfortunately all that not voting yesterday got me a useless result. Well, not entirely useless, but mostly so. I expect to have a better result today.

That said, why in the nine hells did any pro town vig NOT shoot CSL? He was like, the obvious target.

As for JVW's posts, I pretty much agree that Poro was the swing vote, which is a very strong tell...but only if CSL is scum.

No, actually, CSL is pretty much as good as scum, even if he's not necessarily mafia.

I'm all for a poro lynch.

I'm guessing 2 remaining mafiates and an SK.

SK, your best chance of winning is to help us vote off a mafioso, kill a townie tonight, hope that there is a mafia and town death, leaving you in 1:1 with a townie.

Vig, you better shoot tonight. Raises our chances of hitting the SK or mafia.

Mafia, go for the SK tonight.

But, overall it's just luck at this point ^-^;.

[UncertainKitten]

Pom might not be dead or we have an SK who killed her.

Thinking on it, I actually lean kidnapper (or a role that disappears when targetted by a kill and returns in the next day phase)

Honestly, I will take a wait and see stance on Poro's claim.

I am iffy about letting everyone direct my kill because of the amount of potential anti town roles. So I am working on a strategy. I think everyone else is a power role or non vanilla townie looking at things so I recommend a mass claim. Depending on what roles we have it might not be luck. I have to say I dislike UK's post in comparison to her stance yesterday. More on that later.

Do you think that you should choose who claims next, or the town in general and we'll do popcorn after the first player is chosen?

I look forward to the more on that.

[UncertainKitten]

Actually, reconsidering it, we need to lynch the SK (if one exists) today.

That'll leave 5 alive, assuming two scum. Poro (if he's REALLY the vig) needs to shoot and hopefully hit scum. Causing us to go into D3 with three alive, one scum. This should be coordinatable.

I have a theory on who the SK is depending on claims.

[UncertainKitten]

Kill: CSL

I'm an obv role anyways.

Wait, you have more than one shot?

ARE YOU TELLING ME WE HAVE A DAYVIG, A NIGHTVIG, AND SK...AND A MAFIA GROUP!?

WHAT THE HELL!?

[UncertainKitten]

Um. I killed Zazier yesterday. Of course we have a day vig.

Sorry...

A MULTI SHOT DAYVIG!?

[UncertainKitten]

UK: Let the mod process this. You can deal with this after it has been processed. :[p

True

It'll be 5 p once the shot processes. Assuming 3 scum on a team per usual for a 12 person game it is lylo.

Huh. For some reason I thought we were already 5P.

And wait...you think it'd be PD? Please tell you you shot CSL because you thought he was scum. PLEASE.

[UncertainKitten]

Yeah.

At any rate...was zoraster's name under CSL's?

[UncertainKitten]

Also yes. Why else would I have shot CSL if I didn't think he was scummy enough to warrant a shot.

Nyeh, true, nevermind. Sorry, I guess I don't like to think about what happens if I'm wrong when I shoot, so I wouldn't have brought up the PD possibility in your shoes.

[UncertainKitten]

Its a reality we should prepare ourselves for. :< I'm a realist. I like to try and plan out different scenarios.

Yeah, that's fair. I just feel I have a better chance of success by letting failure only exist in the back of my mind. I'll have a plan for it, but I generally won't overthink it or I get trapped in paranoia.

[UncertainKitten]

Wow...REALLY?

This IS a disaster

Fine. I'm a voteless cop. Except I can vote. I just don't get to investigate if I vote.

Haylen next.

Oh yeah, investigated RBT last night. You saw what that got me :S.

[UncertainKitten]

2. But I can kind of see the crumb. It looks like you forgot to unvote for your vote D:.. but I';ll keep it in mind. Though I want to know: why didn't you push for a double lynch on Ort and CSL yesterday? We had enough votes, if UK voted, to do so.

Would it have been worth an investigation at that time? Remember, this was D1, I didn't expect half the group to die in one night, so I figured I'd most likely get a usable result from investigation.


Honestly...Haylen's cop claim is the one I like the least.

[UncertainKitten]

I don't see why Jullien wouldn't push for a double lynch before the blood bath of today. Unless both you and Jullien had inside information of his role, and the other killing roles: at the time of the day 1 bandwagon we could have done a double hammer.

Fair point. I'm just unsure he would have gotten it. I just didn't think that through.

In hindsight, its much easier to critique. If your investigation is correct and sane then yes it's much more useful then the vote. But I could pretty much say: since you investigated RBT your vote would have been more useful.

I had to sacrifice my vote to use my investigation. I was pretty damn sure it was sane.

[UncertainKitten]

Wait if he is a double voter there are 6 votes in play, should it be 4 to lynch because of this?

Not necessarily, in TTGL mafia Sociopath's doublevote was effectively a bonus. With 11 alive, it was 6 to lynch. Despite there being 12 votes in play.

[UncertainKitten]

We can get a double hammer today if I vote, correct?

It would reduce us to 3 players. Do you think this wise? Since we'd be likely to take out at least once scum (provided the double voter isn't scum himself), and possibly take care of the SK...but it leads to a scary endgame if we miss any lynch...then again if we really do have 2 scum and an SK left, we already are in a prisoner's dilemma so...hmm.

[UncertainKitten]

I would have assumed that having a 3 man scum team would be way to overpowered even in a bastard game such as this... I think we should be playing under the assumption there is 1 scum and 1 sk left.

Well, as I said, I've done 1 SK 3 scum 8 town before, and it was swingy as fuck, but not inherently unbalanced IMO. So...I wouldn't be so sure.

[UncertainKitten]

So if we are going to double lynch, who do we go for? Haylen and someone else? KMD is still on the playerlist; if we can double lynch, should we off him?

I'm all for a mod lynch but have a feeling it's a red herring.

Or that he's the SK. Could go either way. Which doesn't help us much, ne?

I like the idea of Haylen being lynched, but I'd like to see cases on others if any exist.

[UncertainKitten]

@UK
Also why are you trying to orchestrate a double lynch when I just said we are most likely in lylo? 0-0.

Because I think we are already beyond lylo and in a prisoner's dilemma. Further, if we ARE in lylo, should we not be maximizing our chances of hitting scum?

But...yeah...upon further review if it's a 1 scum 1 SK situation, we'd NEED to hit both in one blow to win, or else we've just accelerated our demise. I didn't think it through all the way, to be honest :S.

[UncertainKitten]

I find your reasoning to be very weak. In fact it's really scummy coming from someone experienced as you. Why?

Experience doesn't necessarily preclude carelessness. Would you like me to lie about why I thought it was a good idea?

You advocate that leaving 1 scum alive would accelerate our demise, but the fact that a double lynch just makes it to the end game right now. We either hit the scum, or we don't. At least with a single lynch, with potentially 3 NKers, scum is bound to be hit.

You misunderstood. I meant if we double lynched we'd accelerate our demise with 1 sk 1 mafiate. I think I get why you thought my response was scummy now.

I'm NOT advocating double lynch anymore, to be clear.

You can even investigate if Jullien double hammers for you.

I can? I...don't think so. I CANNOT VOTE if I want to investigate.

[UncertainKitten]

So really, I think I would prefer a Haylen or a Poro lynch. If we lynch two people, I would like one of them to be the mod. It's a bastard game, activity's pretty low, and it's not very fun any more, so I would like to get it over with before the end of this month if at all possible.

This is actually not a bad idea.

[UncertainKitten]

@UK
If Julien is town, and telling the truth, its 3 to lynch. With 2 scum, someone could vote and Julien can hammer. Unless I'm mistaken, you did say double voters second vote do not count towards the lynching total. This will confirm his role, and give the town an extra day to unravel the mystery.

Um...but even so...we'd need to get two votes on two players, right? And finally we'd need JVW to split his vote. We still need 6 votes in play to lynch two people with 3 to lynch.

Meaning we need EVERYONE to vote, including me. I don't see where you got your numbers?

As for doublevoters not counting, that's how I handled them once. kmd could be handling it differently.

[UncertainKitten]

Umu...what?

Keeps saying that she would like me to lynch and again does not explain why.

I don't like hows she's eager to lynch people to end the game, even if she thinks the people being lynched are town. Wanting to lynch townies is very very antitown.

I...don't understand where I ever said I wanted to lynch townies?

Further, most of your points against me are pretty null in light of my fullclaim.

And, excuse me for worrying about DYING as a COP.

Her "analysis" feels very halfhearted, to be honest. I think I'm more comfortable with her lynch at this point.

Oh, hey, this was rich too:

Post 9, she points out that in another game she claimed something ridiculous and they town believed her because it was too crazy a claim to fake. If you really cant vote UK, then place a vote on someone to prove it in the next votecount. I want proof that you arent just making another gambit.

First, why the hell didn't you ask this in the first place? Secondly, the reason I brought that up is obviously because poptaj and RBT were looking at me FOR THAT VERY REASON. lrn2context ^-^.

As for why I don't like your cop claim. It's the least verifiable claim of all of us. Granted, I'm second least verifiable, but I've kinda been forced to breadcrumb. DT has pretty much confirmed himself at the very least as a dayvig. Possibly a SCUM dayvig, but honestly, given his posting I'd have to believe he deserves to win if he's scum. JVW can verify his role just by double voting whenever he needs to. And finally, Poro would explain one of the deaths last night, but the lack of redirector is disturbing. He's probably my second pick for scum.

[UncertainKitten]

I dunno what to dooooooooo~!

Should we just go into the lynch? Doesn't seem like much else is happening :S.

[UncertainKitten]

/me sighs...

Alright then

Vote Haylen

[UncertainKitten]

are we lynching the mod as well?

...DAMMIT!

We should, yes. Since I just BLEW my investigation like a damned MORON!

Might as well make USE of my vote now that I've wasted it.

[UncertainKitten]

2. ITT odd slip by UK. How can you possibly predict 4 deaths in 1 night

huh?

1, haylen needs to vote for kmd for this to work if we are double hammering.

...yeah, I just realized how stupid that was.

[UncertainKitten]

Since I just BLEW my investigation like a damned MORON! <<<- This.

What the hell? Have you been reading ANYTHING I've said?

My claim was

VOTELESS COP!

However, I was

ABLE TO VOTE

, it's just

I COULD NOT INVESTIGATE

if I

VOTED!

Where, in the NINE HELLS did you get the idea I said ANYTHING else?

I'm sorry, but would you PLEASE drop the idiot ball and READ THE GAME?

[UncertainKitten]

At Mod

: Could you fix my tags? And preferably make the text even bigger? I'm still unsure if it'll actually be noticed without flashing lights.

Done. Let me know if that wasn't what you wanted.

[UncertainKitten]

Never mind. I thought you referred to last night, not when you voted Haylen. /has been dropped.

Still confusing, since I targetted RBT and she was town, wasn't she?

[UncertainKitten]

So, I'm not actually here today. I'll catch up tomorrow.

[UncertainKitten]

Seriously?

Seriously?

I wasted my investigation and you do that?

I fucking give up. Whatever.

[UncertainKitten]

She's dressed in a french maid outfit and tied to a bed
Wonder what happened
Looks like someone tied the rope too tightly

Please, as if I'd still be wearing the outfit at that point ^-^;

This constitutes a bah post.

Fixed.

[UncertainKitten]

My role was nice but I'm pissed I screwed it up D2. Also pissed that Julien WASTED THE LYNCH on kmd. I kinda supported that but would have preferred a Haylen lynch. Honestly, DT fooled me beyond his role, so kudos to him.

Overall, not super bastardly IMO, but fun.

[UncertainKitten]

I was trying to get lynched Day One. I couldn't say my role, because I'd lose anyways.

Haylen deserves this win. Scum, you STANK!

I still think UK should not have voted.

Um...I kinda agree CSL. That was basically an accident, hence my "FUCK" comment.

[UncertainKitten]

UK, do you see now why I tried to act so scummy Day One?

Yes, I do ^-^. I don't understand why ort did it though. That was srsly wtf.

Honestly, what you should have done was played to your townie win con til it looked like town was about to lose, and just say "Ok mafia, I'm a jester, lynch me please, you'll all win"

[UncertainKitten]

Sorry guys Sad

Meh, could be worse. This game wasn't played incredibly well by town or scum. I think Haylen...

DAMMIT HAYLEN DID YOU WIN AS THIRD PARTY AGAIN!? Dear GOD woman!

[UncertainKitten]

You sounded so so much like someone I know IRL then...

Do I want to know who she is?

[UncertainKitten]

She's Asian and wears really short skirts and showy off tops and likes to do things with people in public....

Oddly enough, I dress rather conservatively. Though playing in public would be simultaneously humiliating and appeal to my sense of exhibitionism. How contradictory .