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I confirm that I am confirming with this response.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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My favorite classic western is Rio Bravo. Love John Wayne. Modern western is tough. Val Kilmer put in a great performance in Tombstone, Sharon Stone made the best female western in Quick and the Dead since Jane Fonda in Kat Ballou, and I like the Young Guns movies, but I think Silverado edges those movies out for all around cast and story.
Clint Eastwood gets the top nod overall for his entire body of work.
That's just off the top of my head, though I also recall They call me Trinity was awesome!I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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I would prefer to vote you over your favorite choices of Western. it is far more interesting than an RVS. Let's hear it! At least list classic western and modern western. Somewhere around 1975-80 is where I think that line is.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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Never even heard of Lone Star, I'll have to look around for it. I was going to vote your lack of enthusiasm for the genre Vi, but anyone who can pull out Chicken Boo deserves to stick around for a bit
vote Benmagefor lack of avatar. I usually look at pictures way before I look at the name.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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Hey! A serious vote! Yay!Nachomamma8 wrote:Vote: Ectomancer
QUIT TRYING TO DIRECT THE TOWN
Or not a serious vote....errmm ok? "Interrogate so thoroughly?" I wouldn't call one question an interrogation.Nachomamma8 wrote:Because I don't feel like being serious right now.
Why do you intend you interrogate me so thoroughly?
Because I wasn't clearly directing the town, it could have been sarcasm or some inside joke of yours. Who knows? You then confound the point by saying "Because I don't feel like being serious right now."Nachomamma8 wrote:
Why wasn't my vote clearly RVS/not RVS?d3x wrote:
Considering everyone else's Votes were very clearly RVS, I find this very interesting. I asked you which it was due to the ambiguity of it. With you getting defensive and dodging for a third time, I'm getting a very bad feeling about you.Nachomamma8 wrote:Actually, Id expect you to react to my vote as you have everyone else's, so, yes. That was what I was expecting.
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Oh ok, so that was not serious then?
Wait, vote with you to lynch scum. Ok, so it was a serious vote.Nachomamma8 wrote:
If you really wanted to lynch scum, then you'd vote who I'm voting. Also, any reason why you always put "*hic" at the end of every post you make?pwnz wrote:The beginning of these games is always so freaking stupid and boring because nobody knows who to vote for and everybody tries to make mountains out of molehills just so that they can feel good about themselves and their pointless votes. How about we just bypass all of the bullshit and lynch the person who IS scum? *hic
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How about the fact that you are being dodgy as hell over a simple question? You made a vote, was it a serious one, yes or no, its not a complicated bit of math here. If you have a serious vote, then the last thing you should be doing is jerking somebody else's chain over whether you meant the vote or not.Nachomamma8 wrote:If you werent suspicious to whether my reasons for voting Echo were legit, then why would you ask if they were in the first place?
Why do you find my reaction more scummy than Ecto's? What scum motive do I have not to answer your question?
There does not have to be an assignable scum 'motive' for your reaction. Instead it illustrates a mindset of a player who does not wish to divulge any information or be held to a specific opinion. By asking whether you were serious or not, d3x prevented you from later saying "What serious vote on Ecto? We were still in RVS stage OMFG you over-reactor!"
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I don't care that you voted me. I care that you are trying to be as slippery as possible before there is even any possible cause to avoid directly answering a question, especially one as simple as whether you cast a serious vote.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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@Vi - We've wrangled over methods to begin a game before. You can either prepare yourself for doing it again, or you can reserve that conversation for a future MD discussion. As you pointed out when you posted first, there was no minor bits of conversation to be twisted into something useful. An RVS is nothing more than a weak attempt at beginning a conversation and ours wasn't doing that any better than it ever does. Just because you couldn't come up with anything offhand to generate post counts doesn't mean nobody else can. I don't have to participate in a zombie ritual that is practiced by those who also protest that they hate it.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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I've used a number of methods to begin games, I don't recall all of them. For direct inspiration, see my grilling of darkstrike in my last game. He claimed to like to start games this way.Vi wrote:Ectomancer - There's trying to end the RVS, and then there's completely sidetracking the discussion. Unless there's something you can tell me about how knowing everyone's favorite Westerns can help your reads on people, of course. Have you used similar methods to begin games before? (I don't recall it in any of the games we've played together)
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As for what can be derived from questions, it generates the type of conversational hooks that you lamented were missing from the game when you first posted. I also cast serious doubt as to whether these types of questions from your own games are any more effective:
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Yes, I bolded #6. Don't be hypocritical. My questions are way more interesting and accomplish the exact same thing.Vi wrote:If I could have everyone's attention, please. I would like for everyone to fill out a quick survey for future reference.
1. How many games have you played to completion on this site?
2. Do you play Mafia on other sites? If so, what is different about those sites vs. here?
3. Do you consider yourself an experienced player?
4. Which other players in this game have you played with in the last six months?
5. Do you prefer to be Town, scum, or third party? Why?
6. Who is your favorite fictional character, and why?
7. How many scum do you think are in this game?
8. Why are you filling this survey out?
9. Do you think this survey will be useful in finding scum?
10. Am I more likely to be Town or scum in creating this survey?
11. Is English your first language?I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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First, I didn't ask you if your vote was serious. I interpreted your statements as best as they could be deciphered as you stated them. Second, a specific scum motive doesn't have to be cited when it can be demonstrated that your mindset itself can be attributed to scum. I like how you brought out one portion of a statement to criticize and cut out the portion that tells you why you are scum.
And if an RVS vote is made and the reasons are legit, then is it still an RVS vote?
And if a bear shits in the woods with no one around does it still smell? Seriously, what kind of asinine wordplay game are you going on about that matters one whit? What matters, and what you steadfastly refuse to just simply state, was whether you had serious intentions behind your vote when you made it. You attempted to be coy about it, and got pressured beyond your expectations. Once caught up in act of being elusive as possible, you then tried to turn the situation around by acting as though you have "caught" d3x out in some scummy motivation with your philosophical trap of "And if an RVS vote is made and the reasons are legit, then is it still an RVS vote? "
Now, perhaps now you can go about explaining yourselffrom the beginningand show us the town motivation behind your actions. The scum part is covered.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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You're continuing your trend of being a bullshit artist with your pants down. Scum are just as capable of making snarky comments as town. Not impressed with your obnoxious insistence on refusing to commit to a position, and turning it into your schtick doesn't make you town either.
I'll be pleased to ride this wagon to a lynch. Today.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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My position is stated clearly and succintly Nacho. You have yet to state yours, and that is the entire problem. Yes, I do intend to bypass your attempt at pages of quote rebuttal pyramids to render the town glassy eyed over the topic. Yes I intend to ignore your questions. I have no intentions of playing that particular scum game. You have no right to them through your refusal to answer those put to you. You can either get to explaining your every move from post 1 forward, and you can make absolute certain we know what your position is at every point, or you can expect to see my vote on you till lynch.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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and you didn't stop to think that any of it might be important? You clearly see me trying to squeeze a straight answer from him, you might go "Hey Nacho, just answer the stupid question", or you might say, I see where he's coming from, I don't see that he's being scummy. Hell, if you were just watching closely to see what would come of it, I could accept that, but you're just skimming with disinterest? For Nacho's benefit, the scum motive in this case would be a general sitting back and waiting until he could see which town wagon had the best momentum to join. Until then, no need to really pay much attention or do more than skim...I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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Sure, take that stance. I expect 2 paragraphs, one for each of us, consisting of at least 5 sentences in each explaining why we are retarded. We already know why you hate.pwnz wrote:
Can I take the stance that you are both retarded and I hate you both? That's how I feel. *hicNachomamma8 wrote:Let's wait before everyone else to join the party, shall we? Porkchop, Ben, Amished, ConfidAnon, pwnz, don... Explain a stance on the argument Ecto and I just had, and take a firm stance, and give (1) reason why. "I agree with so-and-so" is not a good answer. Also, please answer all questions asked of you. Thank you, and have a nice day.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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Haha Donkitty has claws
There is no hypocrisy in asking you to comment on the leading wagon that has taken up half the games posting, as opposed to not commenting on a comment you made without even a vote. I'm supposed to take you seriously? You were the one posting tl;dr pal. Why do you care about ConfidAnon not answering a question, and not about Nacho actively refusing to answer? Don't need to fling mud where mud already exists?I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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Bring your vote on. I'll happily hit you right back for your hypocritical refusal to do the same for Nacho whenVP Baltar wrote:
I'll happily lynch you for ignoring his legitimate questions about your case.Ecto wrote:Yes I intend to ignore your questions. I have no intentions of playing that particular scum game.he has been doing it the entire game. Those questions are designed to do nothing but argue and create quote pyramids to drown the town in. I can point to any recent post about the matter to illustrate that most of the town is bored with the matter. Nacho at least recognized the truth of that and called for a truce for town to weigh in, while you seem to prefer to see quote pyramids?
Why does ConfidAnon deserve the vote more than pwnz? Let me show you how you should have done it:
ConfidAnon, what exactly do you mean by "Nacho is obviously scummy?"
Substance pwnz, today.unvote, vote pwnzI have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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I'm also baffled by that 2004 join date when combined with the play...VP Baltar wrote:pwnz, how experienced would you say you are at mafia? When was your last game prior to this one?I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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Responses indicate a lack of interest and beating the same dead horse won't generate new useful content. Nor is anything further I do along those lines likely to alter his starting objectionable behavior. I also liked post 98 where he chose to take the opportunity to force others into the discussion rather than focus on a refusal to volley questions back and forth as VP Baltar did. All of that calls for searching for other likely suspects.Sotty7 wrote:
I thought you wanted to ride nacho's wagon to a lynch. Why the sudden change of heart?Ectomancer Post 109 wrote:Why does ConfidAnon deserve the vote more than pwnz? Let me show you how you should have done it:
ConfidAnon, what exactly do you mean by "Nacho is obviously scummy?"
Substance pwnz, today.unvote, vote pwnzI have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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This was all already asked and answered. Update your attacks if you don't mind.pwnz wrote:
Actually, I am going to revoke my previous statement on this one now that the focus has shifted from you two. I really can't understand why you, Ectomancer, would go so far as to state that you were going to ride Nachomamma8's bandwagon all the way until lynch and then flip your vote over to me on the next page because you didn't think that I offered you any valuable information on the subject. (pro-tip: I was sandbagging) *hicNachomamma8 wrote:Let's wait before everyone else to join the party, shall we? Porkchop, Ben, Amished, ConfidAnon, pwnz, don... Explain a stance on the argument Ecto and I just had, and take a firm stance, and give (1) reason why. "I agree with so-and-so" is not a good answer. Also, please answer all questions asked of you. Thank you, and have a nice day.
It makes it even more hard for me to understand why you flipped your vote over to me when you gave Nachomamma8 such a clear-cut list of things that you needed to see accomplished before you made any further moves: *hic
Now, I realize that my vote on you is no longer going to be as strong of a vote since you already have placed one on me, but your massive flip-flop there just rubs me wrong, especially since it was made with absolutely no correspondence from Nachomamma8 in between. You could have just as easily called me out on my lack of insight and told me that it was unacceptable, but instead you moved your vote off of someone that you were absolutely sure was scum, so sure that you were going to ride it out until lynch. I don't buy it. *hicEctomancer wrote:My position is stated clearly and succintly Nacho. You have yet to state yours, and that is the entire problem. Yes, I do intend to bypass your attempt at pages of quote rebuttal pyramids to render the town glassy eyed over the topic. Yes I intend to ignore your questions. I have no intentions of playing that particular scum game. You have no right to them through your refusal to answer those put to you. You can either get to explaining your every move from post 1 forward, and you can make absolute certain we know what your position is at every point, or you can expect to see my vote on you till lynch.
unvote; vote Ectomancer
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Responses indicate a lack of interest and beating the same dead horse won't generate new useful content. Nor is anything further I do along those lines likely to alter his starting objectionable behavior. I also liked post 98 where he chose to take the opportunity to force others into the discussion rather than focus on a refusal to volley questions back and forth as VP Baltar did. All of that calls for searching for other likely suspects.Sotty7 wrote:
I thought you wanted to ride nacho's wagon to a lynch. Why the sudden change of heart?Ectomancer Post 109 wrote:Why does ConfidAnon deserve the vote more than pwnz? Let me show you how you should have done it:
ConfidAnon, what exactly do you mean by "Nacho is obviously scummy?"
Substance pwnz, today.unvote, vote pwnzI have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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I like the barking up this tree.VP Baltar wrote:Yeah, I mean, you followed the nacho wagon without even really understanding it and now you're far to eager to jump on ConfidAnon before he has even had a chance to explain himself. If you have nothing original to add to it, I don't see any real reason for you to be in a clamor to join the wagon, especially when your previous post said that you had JUST read him in iso and didn't see any reason to be voting him.
I'll give you a regional radar of the game later when I have some time to devote to a right up. Haven't been feeling or sleeping well. I can give you a pre-liminary excerpt though. "Vi appears to be the same Vi, doing what he does. Seems to have slightly antagonistic undertones, but that is about normal friction."I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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I liked what VP had to say to Ben.Sotty7 wrote:
I like VP and Amished so far, although more posting from the latter would be great. Porkchop could go in here too. Nacho has gone MIA since the pressure left him, I don't like that. As for the rest, I'm still in a sorting process.Vi Post 157 wrote:Do you have any solid insight you would like to contribute to the conversation?
Ecto, what do you think of the confid wagon now with how both Don and Benmage hopped on?
As for ConfidAnon, he looked to me like he is having the classic "scummy vs anti-town" issue with his statement. People don't know when to use them properly. For instance, 'X is scummy' should get a vote after it, while 'X is anti-town' shouldn't necessarily because they do mean different things.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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Lazy and touchy about itVi wrote:Your read on don_johnson?
He crept his way up to his vote on Confid. To be honest, his attack was so weak, I reallydidn'tthink much of it, especially not enough to be accused of "ignoring" it. Could be accused of 'feeling out a wagon' before committing, but he would point to that as saying that he did in fact make a big deal out of it (even though it was really more of ahissy fitblowup than an attempt to build a case on Con)
So, was he scummy for putting his vote on after 2 more votes? As a townie with convictions he follows them and votes, as a scummy without them, he follows his preaching and votes.
I think his grilling of Confid shows preferential scumhunting as his reasoning seems to me to be the same as I was grilling Nacho. However, in that imaginary conversation, it could be pointed out that just as he focused on the player who voted for him, so did I do the same.
To that, I could only say, touche'I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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175 wasn't a laundry list of actions by Don. It was speculation on possible motives for those actions which comes to exactly what I posted. If you are looking for a black or white 'read' on him to suit you, that's not coming. If you insist on a plain statement, that would be "Who knows?", but seriously, I don't think you needed it restated any differently than 175.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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I noticed this phrasing as well and thought it a bit presumptuous.Vi wrote:I didn't even know that there was a dichotomy between Vi and Amished, i.e. there's a winner and a loser and one is scum. That seems to be what you're implying with "the choice".I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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There could be something under this rock. Amished, explain why there is a good reason to assume 3rd party.Sotty7 wrote:
I don't get this. If d3x is scummy to you why do you assume 3rd party? I found him pretty scummy at the start of the game, but his post before going on v/la was pretty decent. What is the difference for you between 3rd party actions to scum actions?Amished Post 188 wrote:EBWOP: To further clarify my point on d3x: obviously no two people read the game the exact same way. In the way that I read the game, d3x's posting very strongly suggests third party. He could be scum; but either way, he's somebody that I feel should have some heat put on him sooner rather than later. Unfortunately for me, I only have one vote so I can't put the amount of pressure that I like on a person that I'm seriously questioning; and there's two other people that I want to deal with before him at this point.
From my standpoint, if you are town, then you are looking for scum in general. Im not certain how you could differentiate between the tow on day 1, so looking for your explanation. The bad side is that while town is looking for scum in general, scum would be looking for 3rd party if they exist, and your post can be interpreted as scum fishing for 3rd parties.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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Vi wrote:Unvote: Sotty7(L-5)
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Less agreeing with what other people have been saying, more taking stances.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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Scum know their numbers and roles. If they feel light in numbers or roles, it could indicate a 3rd party and hence, they would go looking. So seeing someone looking for a 3rd party without reason, ie a 2nd night kill or other obvious factor, is cause to wonder, no?PorkchopExpress wrote:I was going to put a preamble up there but got all excited an hit the post button. Anyhoo, my apologies but work has been slaughtering me. It's primarily because of all this hysteria about a chick who can't decide if she'd rather screw a corpse or a dog. The above were some notes I took as I reread the whole game (the joys of falling behind) and I'll be more active in the next week thanks to five days off. Winner. Also, I'd like to say: After playing in a couple of games together, I am just learning that VP is a woman. This does not bode well for my attention to detail.
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You've lost me here. Why would scum be expecting a 3rd party?Ectomancer wrote:
There could be something under this rock. Amished, explain why there is a good reason to assume 3rd party.
From my standpoint, if you are town, then you are looking for scum in general. Im not certain how you could differentiate between the tow on day 1, so looking for your explanation. The bad side is that while town is looking for scum in general, scum would be looking for 3rd party if they exist, and your post can be interpreted as scum fishing for 3rd parties.
Amished do I have it right that you think d3x could be 3rd party because you believe he is both scummy and scumhunting?I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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I hate the links. Put the relevant material in the post and if I have to scroll past it, so be it. The only time links are ok is when they reference material outside the game.don_johnson wrote:ebwop: i am not sure what is more annoying: giant fucking quote walls or players who repeatedly link to other posts.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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Ok, thanks for the 2nd sentence. I wasn't sure if I was specific in what I wanted from you. I can buy "heightened sense of self preservation" as a valid reference for the idea.Amished wrote:@Ecto: Yes, he's both scummy and looking for scum. His heightened sense of self preservation is a large part of the former (and also what makes me place him in 3rd party rather than mafia group scum).
In this case, my suggestion is we make use of the scumhunting portion and put a bookmark on the scummy portion. Should he turn up as 3rd party, it will help us in the long run, but in the short run we would hurt the scum vs everyone else balance.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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Of course not, but if he's 3rd party you would know two things. First, his scumhunting is sincere and second, he counts against a scum win. You don't take them out on day 1 unless you believe he belongs to a multiple scum 3rd party, and your idea that he is especially self-preserving would argue against itself.Amished wrote:@Ecto: If he's 3rd party, his scumhunting isn't any better than the rest of ours. Do you think he'll have special knowledge?I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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How could you have a gun andVi wrote:One of Amished and Ectomancer is virtually guaranteed to be scum for the third party speculation. Since VP Baltar just called out Amished and since Ectomancer has done even less for scumhunting, please do me a flavor and kill Ectomancer.
If scum have guns in this game - and because of the wounded status that bad shots give, they probably do - there is no reason whatsoever to let d_j live.notwonder about a 3rd party? Why do you think I was trying to carefully determine Amished's causation? I wanted to know if his speculation was rooted from the same source as my own. (having a gun separate from the rest of my pm). This is the Wild West and themed and there are a number of factions that could be a part of the game and all with their own agendas. For a good example, watch Fist Full of Dollars.
Why do you think IA Man with No Name (Clint Eastwood), arrives at a little Mexican border town named San Miguel. He is quickly introduced to the feud between two families vying to gain control the town: the Rojo brothers, consisting of Don Miguel (the eldest and nominally in charge), Esteban (Sieghardt Rupp) (the most headstrong) and Ramón (the most capable and intelligent, played by Gian Maria Volontè, who would reappear in For a Few Dollars More as the psychopathic El Indio), and the family of so-called "town sheriff" John Baxter (Wolfgang Lukschy).
The Stranger quickly spies an opportunity to make a "fistful of dollars" and decides to play both families against each other.wouldn'tvote Amished for clearly being scum looking for a 3rd party unless I thought there was a secondary non-scum motivation for speculating? (P.S. - his answer didn't dispell that notion, but my own doubt has held me)I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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Apparent by now being the operable phrase. Prior to don shooting you, it was apparent only that I had one.Vi wrote:Ectomancer: Everyone has a gun. I think that has been made rather apparent by now.
I'm claiming game-related speculation on other factions in the game based upon flavor and the fact that I had a gun, but not other information in my PM normally related to having a gun. There was quite a number of other speculations that went through my head, including that everyone might have a gun. but let's address a pertinent issue here.Vi wrote:Even so, are you claiming game-related knowledge about "another faction"? The idea is that we kill all nonTown. This is standard in every Mafia game.
You sir, are stretching a few truths in this matter, whatever your alignment. Firstly, there has been no "snowballing" accusations against d3x in his absence. What there has been is a discussion over what we should do even if Amished's speculations were correct. Secondly, there has been a discussion over what the source of Amished's speculations were. Neither of these added to the accusations, and in the case of the former, actually was a statement on my part that it wasn't something to pursue today anyhow. In the case of the latter, it was a probing intoAmished'smotivations, and not d3x, so once again you are completely wrong in your stated interpretation of the recent posts creating a "snowball" of accusation against d3x
Once again, wrong as I have just illustrated. There has been no snowball of accusations. 2nd, if you have absolute information that a player is 3rd party,Vi wrote: Last, Amished's speculation is based on things that d3x hasn't had a chance to respond to for ~7 pages, and the accusations have only snowballed over time. (Which reminds me, his V/LA should be up today.) Even if the third party has "inside information", that player has no ulterior motive in revealing it when we're supposed to kill him anyway. Scum is scum.maybewe could have a nice long argument over whether you lynch them on day 1. I say no. But in this case, where Amished is just speculating? Definitely hell no. But in the meantime, you figure out just where Amished got the idea of a 3rd party. Because he's scum and knows the numbers? Or he has a gun too and thought to look out for one? Prior to Don shooting, I didnt have that answer. I don't really now, though I suspect you are right and everyone does have one.
BTW unlike Don's assessment, you always look like scum who might be town to me, not the other way around.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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I do too, but WIFOM floweth over. Same situation even if Vi shows up as scum. Gambits work because people don't think they would ever be attempted.pwnz wrote:
I see what you are saying. *hicdon_johnson wrote:not really, but if you see two plainclothes men BLATANTLY breaking into a house during the daytime in full view of the entire neighborhood, would it be more probable to assume that they are burgulars, or would it be just as, if not moreso, possible that they are undercover cops working a case?I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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I'm supposed to give a radar overview at some point, but my morning was spent with a blocked sewage line
The current issue is that we have plenty of time or no time at all. By that I mean that deadline is of no concern, but Vi expires in less than 24 hours. I'd say that primarily by inertia we wont have a lynch utilizing Vi's vote unless a groundswell for either Benmage or Don arises in the next 12 hours. I don't see cause for either to be settled in that time frame.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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I think it makes sense that we don't shoot VP, better to get a lynch and keep the extra killings to a minimum, but do I take this as an endorsement to take this to lynch?Vi wrote:Vi #23 wrote:VP Baltar's last two votes have been for astonishingly weak reasons, especially considering he was the third on both the ConfidAnon and Benmage wagons. Still leaning toward scum.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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I didn't like this much when you wrote it Vi. We don't know the number of power roles and cant exactly take a poll. I had planned to wait until your alignment flip to see where your allegiance lies to evaluate the earnestness of the idea, but if you've been healed, I'd like you to re-evaluate this and either elaborate on why it would work for us, or snuff it as not useful.Vi wrote:I disagree about the extra killing though. It occurs to me that if we don't take the game to Night and there aren't many power roles, we'll be better off democratically choosing who to shoot.
Confid - seeing as you seem to be a healer and people only have 48 hours before they die,could you not go AWOL again?[/b]I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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While I appreciate the vote, I think we have a nightless suggestion on the table. Certainly if we chose to follow that path, it will take more consideration, deliberation, compromise and planning in a coordinated manner than will a typical lynch as we will need to get everyone onboard as opposed to a simple majority.don_johnson wrote:*yawn*
unvote, vote ectomancer
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I think that it very likely would be just a well orchestrated attempt at gaming the mod, but in the thought process, we may come up with methods that actually could prove fruitful later.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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You really should have just been allowed to die.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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Thanksgiving. I'll be gone. Happy Turkey Day!~I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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That's because he hasn't said anything against me. I guess you could count his 3rd party issue, except that I already pointed out where he completely stretched the truth of the matter, if not being a straight out liar. Here's the breakdown of exactly how close Vi came to a bald faced lie.Amished wrote:Luckily, we have another candidate; and I don't disagree with anything that Vi has said against Ecto.
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Now, get to explaining all of these "anythings" that you so strongly don't disagree with that you can't even list them.Ectomancer wrote:
Apparent by now being the operable phrase. Prior to don shooting you, it was apparent only that I had one.Vi wrote:Ectomancer: Everyone has a gun. I think that has been made rather apparent by now.
I'm claiming game-related speculation on other factions in the game based upon flavor and the fact that I had a gun, but not other information in my PM normally related to having a gun. There was quite a number of other speculations that went through my head, including that everyone might have a gun. but let's address a pertinent issue here.Vi wrote:Even so, are you claiming game-related knowledge about "another faction"? The idea is that we kill all nonTown. This is standard in every Mafia game.
You sir, are stretching a few truths in this matter, whatever your alignment. Firstly, there has been no "snowballing" accusations against d3x in his absence. What there has been is a discussion over what we should do even if Amished's speculations were correct. Secondly, there has been a discussion over what the source of Amished's speculations were. Neither of these added to the accusations, and in the case of the former, actually was a statement on my part that it wasn't something to pursue today anyhow. In the case of the latter, it was a probing intoAmished'smotivations, and not d3x, so once again you are completely wrong in your stated interpretation of the recent posts creating a "snowball" of accusation against d3x
Once again, wrong as I have just illustrated. There has been no snowball of accusations. 2nd, if you have absolute information that a player is 3rd party,Vi wrote: Last, Amished's speculation is based on things that d3x hasn't had a chance to respond to for ~7 pages, and the accusations have only snowballed over time. (Which reminds me, his V/LA should be up today.) Even if the third party has "inside information", that player has no ulterior motive in revealing it when we're supposed to kill him anyway. Scum is scum.maybewe could have a nice long argument over whether you lynch them on day 1. I say no. But in this case, where Amished is just speculating? Definitely hell no. But in the meantime, you figure out just where Amished got the idea of a 3rd party. Because he's scum and knows the numbers? Or he has a gun too and thought to look out for one? Prior to Don shooting, I didnt have that answer. I don't really now, though I suspect you are right and everyone does have one.
BTW unlike Don's assessment, you always look like scum who might be town to me, not the other way around.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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Oh yes Amished, nice delayed OMGUS for my probing of your motivations. Are you sure you waited long enough to not look bad for it?I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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Bah, I (and we) need the answer to this for a couple reasons anyhow.
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Umm yeah. VP calling me scumbag. I think we'll wait for the results k thx.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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Yes, Don's attempt at bussing failed so I had to try again...Amished wrote:@Ecto: Regardless of his alignment; he could be bussing you just as easily. Nice try.
Too bad. This is in fact the crux of the reason for your vote. OMGUS.Amished wrote: Also, have I ever hinted that I didn't like your questioning my motives for 3rd party? Shit no.
He didn't. He made a characterization that was fictional, and he tried to make me play the game the way he wants. Neither are cases. That leaves you to explain just what it is that you agreed with. No jumping on wagons with a "what Vi said", you can stick your own neck out anytime now.Amished wrote:Also, it was a valiant effort to try to say that Vi doesn't have a case on you; but I'd suggest that you read all of her posts.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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Nope. No case. Vi doesn't like the way I play mafia, period. He can take that up in MD, not in game. I'm not going to argue "optimum" methods of playing. You see what isn't there? Specifics. No case, so what are you agreeing with? Why don'tAmished wrote:Oh, you mean how you've basically taken a stance on nothing, and clearly don't take votes on you seriously?
In the post before where she first votes you.Vi wrote: Pay no attention to the Ectomancer trying to distract the Town from playing Mafia from the very beginning.
In the next one (which both says that you're not adding to the discussion; and actively distracting the town. Both of which I do agree with.Vi wrote:Ectomancer - There's trying to end the RVS, and then there's completely sidetracking the discussion.
How about this line when Vi voted for you again? Not a point against you?Vi wrote:Less agreeing with what other people have been saying, more taking stances.
Not an accusation towards you either, eh?Vi wrote:...Ectomancer has done even less for scumhunting, please do me a flavor and kill Ectomancer.youactually make a case there scumbag?I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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By the way, that has little to do with why I shot Vi, just in case you want to strawman that action later with that reply. Savvy?I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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Once again someone who makes statements with no backup.Amished wrote:lol ok. I'm flat out accusing you of active lurking because you're not actually contributing to the game. Your shot wasted a heal of a power role. If you actually want her dead, make a fucking case. DJ at least explained why he shot Vi.
On that note, why did you shoot Vi?
@Benmage: I'm gonna be in another country; so very away.
Mischaracterization approaching Vi's level there Amished. Contribution?
Let's see if there is anything directly attributable to Ectomancer.
Pages worth of full attack on Nacho. +++ contribution
Endorsement of VP questioning Ben over his failure to provide reason to
vote, and in fact voted after he said he didnt see anything wrong! +
contribution
Full assessment of Don's actions surrounding his joining the Confid
wagon ++ contribution
Thorough evaluation of Amished's 3rd party speculation ++++
contribution.
Forcing Vi on his nightless gambit and revealing that he had no actual
desire to follow up on this line of thinking. He just wanted to look
(irony here) like he was contributing when in fact he was just trying to
look that way. +++ contribution
So why shoot Vi?
Don shot Vi. - While I protested that it could have been an upfront scum
gambit to bus/shoot a buddy, I think a meteor strike appearing in the
newspaper today about as likely. In this situation, Don is an enigma,
while Vi, Vi is scum. I'll explain why.
Amished with no reasoning suddenly follows scumbag Vi. I think he is
simply backing a buddies play to remove a threat. Establish Vi is scum
before you start following that line of reasoning though.
Some people deserve to be allowed to die. When Vi turns up scum, perhaps our healer might decide to be abit more discerning about who he decides to heal and when. Vi is definitely not obvtown, and claimed vanilla. Why in hell would you heal him?
At least one other question will be answered for me that makes a big difference in how I'll play. Questions to the mod didn't make things clear and I didn't realize exactly how unclear it was until events in game.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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Didn't even random vote. Voted for the mod of all things he could have done. Is that something Vi doesn't think about? Hell no! He knows exactly what he was doing! Look!Vi wrote:
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He did even WORSE than using dice,Vi wrote:The "Random Voting Stage" is a tradition celebrated by Townies who don't want to win and scum that want to burn time until deadline.
The idea behind it is to basically hope that conversation falls out from
it somehow due to the inherent NONrandomness of someone's vote.
By using dice you are not making a nonrandom vote, and therefore doing
nothing to end the useless RVS.
Therefore you are guilty of making the first blatantly anti-Town action in the game and should be wagoned accordingly. Ideally a mod should be able to include some kind of benign conversation starter in the setup.he avoided participating in the. Also, look at that last line. He states that ideally a
rvs at all.
mod should include a benign conversation starter, and then attacks a
player that uses the games flavor as the benign conversation starter.
Total hypocrite in game. This shows he is not posting what he actually
believes.
Voted Ecto and implied there was a reason associated with Nacho'sVi wrote:
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Nacho: *vote*
"actually that was a good idea, let's do that"
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@Nacho: Trim quotes to live. Trim quotes or die. I literally cannot
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posts? i am still waiting on an answer to my first two questions. is
there something else i should be doing?
doing something else while you're waiting comes to mind.
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response, but then we find he was simply wagoning. Then, rather than
support that wagon, he jumps off and votes Don for not contributing. I
guess if you are making a bunch of noise about others contributions,
that means you are contributing? NO.
Very next post, more vote hopping and no contribution, again.Vi wrote:I like d_j's list, but not because they haven't explained
their RVS votes so much as because they're already flying under the
radar.
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Let's see, VP Baltar, Sotty7, Amished, maybe ConfidAnon and
PorkExpress... Oh hay, may as well go with the statistically probable
one.
Vote: VP Baltar(L-6)
This looks like a slip of revealing inside information. At best hisVi wrote:The ConfidAnon wagon is lame and it has all three of the
people I just listed as good scum candidates on it back-to-back-to-back.
Amished 124 looks like the kind of post I would make to force a weak
wagon on someone.
d_j is also on the wagon but he's playing so badly that I'm less
interested in him.
I like my vote but would freely switch to whichever of VP, Sotty, and
Amished has the largest wagon.
This unfortunately has the side effect of alienating half of my fan club
at once, but etc.
"scum candidates" are accused of lack of contribution. Yet, he uses a
vote (and a good one) on Confid asanotherreason these people
are scum? Keeping our options wide open arent we Vi?
More bias and biasing. "Nacho reminds me of me" buddy buddy buddy andVi wrote:On Nacho vs. Ectomancer: Nacho reminds me of me. I don't
think he's scum ATM.
Ectomancer can... well, he knows how that sentence ends.
Ecto can...get after your ass like nobody else will?
Wait, I thought Ecto wasn't doing anything? Oh, and here we have Vi'sVi wrote:
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nothing really to say about that. What do you think about the two wagons
side by side?
Admiral D3X,I can go with what Ectomancer is doing, the jury is
out on PorkchopExpress, and Benmage is already in front of me.
Do you have any solid insight you would like to contribute to the
conversation?
"contribute" word again. Where is Vi's contribution? Oh that's right, he
accuses people of not contributing.
More vote hopping with no case. Contribution? It's what's lacking.Vi wrote:
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townies"?
are probably Town).
I have no idea why you think it was too early for that suggestion to be
tossed around.
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Obviously avoiding me where possible.
Really? Detracting from the Confid that you think is town? Clearly justVi wrote:
Well, ISotty7 176 wrote:Deflection how? This is still me not
avoiding you which was your reasoning for voting me in the first place.
So I scum because I have opposite reads to you? I don't buy that. I
disagree with plenty of people but that doesn't make them auto scum in
my book. But it's nice to know how to get on your good side quick (agree
with you at every point)dolike having
followers... :vain:
I'm reading your question about the Nacho wagon as an attempt to steer
the conversation away from the ConfidAnon wagon, which was part of why I
was talking to you in the first place.
slinging mud wherever it will stick.
Several points here. First, I just demonstrated how Vi listed or votedVi wrote:
I'd love for you to elaborate on this, especially considering I don'tAmished 179 wrote:Vi is neutral to me, which has me
worried. I've been able to read her better in other games than I have
here.The rapid vote switching and suspecting everyone doesn't seem
like a good setup to the game either.
suspect "everyone". (although it's true that I don't have much to any
obvious Town reads)
Similarly, listing posts that are scummy without bringing up any
justification neither helps nor convinces anyone.
Why are you so confident - or evenbringing up- that d3x could
be third party?
I've also an eyebrow to raise about how you jumped on the ConfidAnon
wagon and then off it in favor of the equally large Benmage wagon - each
time for reasons thatjust happento have already been mentioned
by others.
pretty much everyone. 2nd, Vi brings up the 3rd partyhimself,
yet later uses it to accuse others anddespite never getting an. Another hypocritical
answer himself to this quite important question he drops it so that he
can accuse based upon "3rd party speculation"
move.
Really? And where were your reasons for your vote hopping? MoreVi wrote:
I wouldAmished 187 wrote:@Vi: I was the first to actually vote
for CA, so good detective work on that one. In that post (93) I also
expressed my wish to vote for Benmage, so this isn't a new development.
At that point, Benmage didn't have a vote on him either.
be more inclined to go along with this if you mentioned anything about
WHY you wanted to vote either of those people at the time.
hypocritical non-contribution from our contribution hound.
Vi wrote:I was (somewhat) obvious Town.
Geez, no contradiction there.Vi wrote:
lol, I thought I was acting really scummy in this game - goodd_j 242 wrote:vi is one of those players that always
reads town imo. only way to know for sure is investigate,vig, etc.
for my meta!
Oh wouldn't you like us to believe that? Why don't you shoot me thenVi wrote:Ectomancer: Everyone has a gun. I think that has been made
rather apparent by now.
scumbag? Because you can't? Oh but how convenient to be healed and be
"confirmed" as the townie who wouldnt shoot.
Completely crap response just making noise. Hello? Ben just said he brought up meta? He certainly didnt deny it, so why does Vi need to respond as though he did? Noise and fluff and trying to look busy, that's it.Vi wrote:
If we were in LyLo then I would see your point. At theAmished 283 wrote:@Vi: If d3x is SK, then he's a threat
to the mafia; and if I can lynch a mafia while also adding another
suspect (or even not) then there's a chance that d3x hits mafia, mafia
goes after the "other" killing role; two anti-town killing roles dead
and three mafia dead in a cycle. Obviously a lot of things have to fall
in place, but it's not outlandish. Mafia has always been my priority.
beginning of the game, getting rid of a night-kill is a priority
(especially since if this game is 8-3-1 that sounds like the setup's
fault).
Further, notice what you're doing -making excuses to avoid lynchingwithout providing a suitable
someone you're calling out for scum
alternative that you are as confident in.
Slandering Amished without addressing Amished's point, or really
addressing his reasoning. We are talking about a 3rd party here, and
while they can be lumped into a general "scum" category, the two
certainly are not the same thing.
Comments on Ecto's contribution that he supposedly didnt make. Here proposes a nightless game, but then later refuses to pursue it. What did you think of that ruined your gameplan?Vi wrote:@Amished: I kind of agree with Ectomancer 309 in that rushing a lynch because my vote's going to go away won't do much good.
I disagree about the extra killing though. It occurs to me that if we don't take the game to Night and there aren't many power roles, we'll be better off democratically choosing who to shoot.
Vi wrote:That would be a strong implication from my posts...
But I would recommend you hold your fire until there's a decision made on this game going nightless tbh.
Well ok, let's talk about it.
Great, so there is your reason. There's no point in not killing the day away. So why don't we? Let's do it!Vi wrote:Wait, does that heal actually count? *sets out mod bait*
You don't like anything anyone says except for third party speculation. Or would you rather I die?Ectomancer 318 wrote:I didn't like this much when you wrote it Vi. We don't know the number of power roles and cant exactly take a poll. I had planned to wait until your alignment flip to see where your allegiance lies to evaluate the earnestness of the idea, but if you've been healed, I'd like you to re-evaluate this and either elaborate on why it would work for us, or snuff it as not useful.
Simply put, unless there's a role that gives Town an advantage that outweighs a Mafia night-kill (by which I meanCop) there's no point innotkilling the day away.
While there is a decent possibility for there to exist a Cop in this setup given the flavor, the number of places left to look for one is getting smaller considering there have been two claims so far, so that Cop is already in heightened danger.
Vi wrote: It wounds my soul to move my vote from Ectomancer-scum, but I can hop onto an Amished wagon.
Unvote: Ectomancer(L-5)
Vote: Amished
more vote hopping
This? More lack of contribution while "contributing" with a vote count.Vi wrote:PoE is Process of Elimination.
Vote count looks like this.
Way to avoid actually responding.Vi wrote:
no comment necessary that I haven't said a couple of dozen times alreadyEctomancer 380 wrote:blah blah blah blah
MORE vote hopping ffs.Vi wrote:*messes up the vote count*
Unvote: Amished(L-4)
Vote: Ectomancer
Vi wrote:Hypocrisy goes here.
If you're talking about your case on VP Baltar - and if you're not, oh well - then you absolutelyBenmage 398 wrote:
I brought up meta...you playing this game?ConfidAnon wrote:
Yea, I've read the thread. 360 doesn't do anything for me. Coasting is just as much a scumtell as it is a lazy towntell. *waits for ben to bring up meta* And meta on it's own isn't a case.benmage, 382 wrote:Clearly you didnt understand post 360, nor bother to read 370...But hell i'll indulge you...What about 367 stuck out as particularly good, suddenly so convincing you want to vote me?didbring up meta.
With that said, meta itselfcanmake up a case.
In addition, while "lazy Townies" coast, they're also the ones that hurt less if mislynched.
No summary required. Vi should have been allowed to die for all the reasons above.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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Exactly, plus other mechnics questions you aren't asking or would even know to ask.don_johnson wrote:not sure if vi's hit. could be only one shot per day for all of us, or not all of us may be able to shoot. let's lynch ecto, let vi die, then someone shoot benmage. that should net us plenty of info and drop someone from each "faction". i like games with mechanics like this because you can move them along. let's not get all lazy and drag this shit out.
Good questions and demand.don_johnson wrote:
what do you mean? are you going to kill me depending on her flip? or are you going to kill me regardless?Benmage wrote:
Well im gonna see what rolls with vi. and than kill you.don_johnson wrote:you tell me.
if she flips scum wouldn't it make more sense to kill Conifd?
if she flips town, wouldn't it make more sense to shoot Ecto?
i am not following you. maybe its because you are full of shit.
if you are going to shoot then go ahead and shoot. stop being such a pussy.
Ummm yeah. Explain your regardless reasoning. The whole point of shooting Vi is to determine alignment and utilize that information along with other information we will get from this. If you intended to shoot Don regardless, why didn't you shoot him already?Benmage wrote:don_johnson wrote: regardlessI have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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I'll go ahead and give the question to one other answer. I'm a retired soldier. I fought against the Indians and now I'm trying to settle down peacefully in this little town except Vi and his buddies has other plans. I'm shooting Vi for all the reasons above,plusto dispel the notion that the mod revealed alignement in his flavor of Vi being shot. I don't expect to miss, and I don't expect to simply wound him either.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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I don't care what you have to say until you've read everything. I have noted that you interupted your read to hurry over and post a strawman to defend your buddy though. Why the rush, rather than finish the read and post a proper reply? Better to sling mud on it first ehh?Amished wrote:I read your {ecto's} first post, and about 3 sections of your 2nd; and I see at least 3 glaring mistakes.
Also, vote-hopping is not inherently scummy. Provide motivation more than picking up on the surface if you're gonna convince anybody.
Why would I reveal my case to Vi until I had enough of one to lynch? I'm not trying to alter Vi's behaviour, which is what you do when you don't like what someone is doing. You vote them, warn them about the nasty behavior and wait for them to change or not. I'm not interested in getting scum to change their play.Amished wrote: Random question: Ecto, why didn't you bring any of this up when I was voting Vi before DJ shot him? Why now instead of you seeing she's more widely read?
Also, I have confidence in Benmage to not shoot dj mostly cause of in game flavor. I'm pretty sure that just slipped his mind (I've seen Ben forget some little things from time to time).I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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Well he already shot twice and is out of bullets (at least for today), so he certainly cant shoot you. Your vote is somewhere else, so you don't look to be lynching him. What are you going to do? Wait until tomorrow when he could get another bullet to shoot you? If you don't care about the reveal, then why wait, especially if you are concerned that it could take us to night?Benmage wrote:
Indeed, but if its me or him, its him whose dying. And the dudes tunneled for no apparent reason for quite some time.Amished wrote: Also, I have confidence in Benmage to not shoot dj mostly cause of in game flavor. I'm pretty sure that just slipped his mind (I've seen Ben forget some little things from time to time).
What I'm saying is your actions don't seem to match your convictions, and by waiting you're just gauging the town's reactions to your statement to Don. So either you meant it, and were just taunting Don when you could have waited (what purpose did that serve if his response didnt matter?) So...I can only assume you said it to decide whether town would approve or not. Why do you care? If he's scum, shoot him!I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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I think that with ConfidAnon cleared we can still take this to nightless.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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Vi wrote:Ectomancer, why are you suddenly in favor of going to Nightless after saying using that very same suggestion as being obvious evidence of my sinister intent?d3x wrote:
Why wouldn't you use your shot if it could help the Town? Are you not sure of your Vote on Ecto?Vi wrote:I don't think you need my shot at this point.
I was being a smartass.Ectomancer wrote:I think that with ConfidAnon cleared we can still take this to nightless.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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Post 466...that's this one -3, and yours -2...I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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As far as I'm concerned, this is semi-twilight. We'll see, but yeah, other than chat there shouldn't be any actions taken.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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Soldier bitch.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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I was thinking along the same lines myself. He would look quite the confirmed hero?don_johnson wrote:
h healed vi. now he's "waiting" for flip in order to vote. doesn't make sense. he thought vi was town enough to heal. why wait to vote? why not pursue his top suspect? he's not scumhunting. hasn't been since page 1. i was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt regarding his stubborness, but we're into this now. and i see no reason why scum wouldn't have a healer if they are the minority standing in a room full of trigger happy monkeys. its not 100%, but i'm not going to sit by and let the pot call the kettle black(i.e. don't tell me to play better when you're playing like shit) it makes more sense to me if he's scum.d3x wrote:It was more of a rhetorical question. What are you basing your theory off of?
Look, I'm sorry about Vi turning up town, but not sorry I shot him. I suspected from the wording of my PM that I was a full Vig and I wanted to know, and Vi was playing scummy to me. How do I base that? I've played with Vi as scum buddies, I've played with Vi with me as scum and him as town, and I've played with Vi as both of us town (and I think both vanilla). I made my case, and my only regret is that it will just make Vi that much more frustrating to play with.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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Alright, I'm going to go back through the questions one at a time.
Don also shot at a town Vi. I think he did it for much the same type of meta reasons that I did. Ben, you said you were going to shoot him regardless. What are you going to do now?I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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Going tounvotefor awhile.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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Also, regarding mod absence, is the deadline still set for dec 07th? I believe that was the date?I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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I'm also guessing from Vi's result that there is a random factor to the shooting. I could also have gotten entirely lucky and gotten a random kill shot, but I don't think so.I have a degree in bullshit. I have patents on entire lines of bullshit. So don't sit here and feed me a line of bullshit and think that I'm not going to recognize it as one.
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