Mini 882: Star Wars: Legacy of the Force Mafia(GAME OVER!)

[jasonT1981]

/confirm

[jasonT1981]

Vote Zach

Much anger in that one I do sense, Dark side he must be...

[jasonT1981]

Why the change of vote so early?

[jasonT1981]

Vote Count

Zackrulez(1) -

JasonT1981

Not Voting

JasonT1981

Does I get two votes LOL

[jasonT1981]

@jason, Kdub, and Chinaman- Thoughts on the current Alm/Kast/Zach discussion?

Well, I know Zachs plays well.. he comes out quite aggressive like this from the start and will question anything and everything in an attempt to get the conversation going properly. I can understand Alm coming out with the Star Wars quotes, My Initial post was also a very poor impression of Yoda (note: Not a breadcrumb) So I see his quotes being in keeping with the theme of the game and done in a bit of humor.

[jasonT1981]

No, im simply stating that me doing a Yoda impression is not an actual breadcrumb of me being Yoda. I was simply doing the Yoda impression in my initial post because of the star wars theme.

I usually start theme games with a reference to the show or movie the game is taking after.

[jasonT1981]

Not really because in that game everyone was doing little posts related to the show (lost) though I did later breadcrumb my proper role

[jasonT1981]

Then why did you feel the need to explain your RVS posts in this game? No one had questioned you about it, so it's not like anyone else found you suspicious for your statement.

How hard is it to understand... I made a post talking like Yoda, I then said I was not actually bread-crumbing Yoda.. but lets look at something that could potentially arise down the line in this game that could put the town in some trouble now I think about it....

Think of it this way... down the line someone gets in trouble and claims they are Yoda as a defense (if he is in this game) I will be heavily questioned as to why I am bread-crumbing Yoda at the beginning of the game and 2 scenarios happen.

1) They think he is lying... lynch him, he flips Yoda and then I am set up for the next days lynch as it could easily be picked apart that I was falsely bread-crumbing. And town has 2 mis lynches

2) They Believe the person claiming and lynch me then questions will be asked why I made a post that looked like I was bread-crumbing Yoda when I didn't flip Yoda.

So yea, All I was simply saying was I was not breadcrumbing as Yoda and I feel you are reaching too much into this.

[jasonT1981]

No I can't, the forums are clan-related.

Then why are you voting him?

Clan related?

I take it, the game is on the clan's private boards then and not on public view? Heres something for you, I am a member of a very large and successful online gaming clan.. I can link whatever I like, with exception to the Private board which is only for clan related chat.

these sort of games etc usually only take place on public parts of the boards from what I can gather.

Can I ask, what is the clan?

[jasonT1981]

Also, many non MS games are linked to here in games. I can give one such example where a player called Sotty linked to games not played on this site to show various matas and examples.

Linked, or at least very detailed explanations of how you have seen scum doing this please or my vote will also be cast upon you.

What you did, to try and make me look dirty is something scum would do, take a small thing, and strawman it to make someone look dirty.

[jasonT1981]

Then why did you feel the need to explain your RVS posts in this game? No one had questioned you about it, so it's not like anyone else found you suspicious for your statement.

How hard is it to understand... I made a post talking like Yoda, I then said I was not actually bread-crumbing Yoda.. but lets look at something that could potentially arise down the line in this game that could put the town in some trouble now I think about it....

Think of it this way... down the line someone gets in trouble and claims they are Yoda as a defense (if he is in this game) I will be heavily questioned as to why I am bread-crumbing Yoda at the beginning of the game and 2 scenarios happen.

1) They think he is lying... lynch him, he flips Yoda and then I am set up for the next days lynch as it could easily be picked apart that I was falsely bread-crumbing. And town has 2 mis lynches

2) They Believe the person claiming and lynch me then questions will be asked why I made a post that looked like I was bread-crumbing Yoda when I didn't flip Yoda.

So yea, All I was simply saying was I was not breadcrumbing as Yoda and I feel you are reaching too much into this.

I'm getting a not so Jedi vibe from this post. There are 2 reasons for this.
-One:

these 2 scenarios you post are by far and large not the only possibilities that would occur if a claim were to happen. There are many other things that could happen and trying to come up with them all would make our brains explode. Saying that one of those 2 things would happen if someone were to claim Yoda is suspicious as though you know someone probably will and it would screw you. In your 2 scenarios, you consider yourself dead in both.

-Two: So far, you have been very cautious as to explain everything you write and make sure we all know you weren't doing something nobody accused you of doing. Jedi are not so cautious IMO.

Only the Sith would want to elaborate on and cut discussion of something they previously posted.

This whole post and the one where you stated you weren't breadcrumbing reeks of trying to be very clear you aren't doing something that someone might consider scummy. The issue it seems is that without anyone accusing you of breadcrumbing, you decided to defend a possible accusation before it could occur. It's almost as if you re-read your posts to make sure you hadn't done anything anyone could consider Sith-like and posted a defense on something that caught your eye about your own post. Way too cautious for a person at one with the Force. So, for my first real read on anyone:

Vote: Jason

ok in regards to your postings.

1) You will notice I said potential scenarios... I did no where say these where the only two like you are trying to make out

2) Where have I tried to cut conversation? I have been trying to explain things and give my point. No where have I tried as you say to cut conversation.

[jasonT1981]

I am sorry, but you are misrepping me... I never once said I was afraid of there being a Yoda claim. I said there was a possibility it could go that way down the line.

I actually would like you to point out exactly where I said I was AFRAID of a Yoda claim or getting lynched from it...

I said they where only potentail Scanarios. I challenge you to find where I said I was afraid as I know you can not. I NEVER once said those words

[jasonT1981]

I am sorry, but you are yet to show me where I said I was afraid...

And is it scummy to put forth potential scenarios that may or may not happen down the line?

You are making a meal out of this. I have explained it, and you are trying to blow it up by saying things I did not say.

I am still waiting for you to show me where I said I was afraid....

Show me that please in my own words, then we will talk some more

[jasonT1981]

You keep saying that I'm misrepping you, but you're not explaining how.

Well you first say I said I was afraid a real Yoda would claim later...

Saying that he was afraid that there was a real Yoda later would claim and he would get lynched for it

and when called on it, to provide me with the quote saying I am afraid you reply now with

You didn't say you were afraid/worried;

But... you originally said I did until you where challenged, that is how you are misrepping.

I don't find that to be an adequate explanation.

why is it not adequate to you?

Stop trying to avoid discussion like you're trying to in the last sentence.

I'm not avoiding discussion.. I am just seeing this going around in circles in your continued attack on me....

OK Question... Do you think me explaining I was not bread-crumbing during the RVS is proof, or at least very good evidence I am scum?

[jasonT1981]

What is your Question.. I believe I have answered what you wanted me to answer.. you just said it wasn't adequate.

Now you are accusing me of avoiding discussion right? and now you wont answer questions put to you? Why?

What have I not answered and I will be happy to answer it for you.

[jasonT1981]

I felt they where 2 of the possibilities that could hypothetically happen the line...I do not feel I was avoiding discussion in post 95..I actually asked a question in it that you also failed to answer

And is it scummy to put forth potential scenarios that may or may not happen down the line?

So now I have answered your question... I would like you to answer my few that are the above from post 95 and also the question in post 98 which was

Do you think me explaining I was not bread-crumbing during the RVS is proof, or at least very good evidence I am scum?

I look forward to reading your answer in the morning.

[jasonT1981]

I felt they where 2 of the possibilities that could hypothetically happen the line...I do not feel I was avoiding discussion in post 95..I actually asked a question in it that you also failed to answer

Meant to say down the line.

[jasonT1981]

I felt they where 2 of the possibilities that could hypothetically happen the line...I do not feel I was avoiding discussion in post 95..I actually asked a question in it that you also failed to answer

Again, you don't answer my question. The key word is WHY. WHY did you post those two possibilities?

Jesus... What part of they where 2 hypothetical scenarios that potentially could happen do you not understand? I have explained it time and again... what part do you not understand.

[jasonT1981]

I would agree, it did not seem like he was wanting info on roles or role fishing... China is seeming to be willing to jump and attack on anyone right now, he jumped on me over my 'breadcrumb' that was non existent and now jumping on Zach for non existent role fishing.

Right now China and Nach are my two top choices for being scum.

I also do not believe this game is as straight forward as Jedi vs Sith.

Vote: China
with a major HOS: Nach

[jasonT1981]

You've got to be fucking kidding me.

Interesting reaction, are you saying this at what has just happened or are you more concerned that the day is continuing and votes reset despite the mod kill? It is something I could see scum being really concerned about...

[jasonT1981]

after reading the past pages exchanges Zachs counter claim seems pretty compelling against Kdub, however if Kdub is telling the truth and flips I will be looking for Zachs lynch tomorrow.

Zach really has no reason to counterclaim if he is lying as he would be the auto lynch tomorrow and he would know that.

vote:Kdub

[jasonT1981]

Care to go into more detail?

[jasonT1981]

I successfully roleblocked Nachomamma last night.

Conveniently, there is no kill this morning.

I PM'd the mod and he said roleblocks stop mafia kills.

More Nachomamma votes, please.

Bullshit

vote: Almaster

[jasonT1981]

vote:Almaster

[jasonT1981]

I know Nach is town.

[jasonT1981]

Nachomamm8 is innocent on that, believe me.

[jasonT1981]

I'd really like to hear from Jason ASAP.

Seriously, I should not post drunk.. its the reasonm I have V/LA for weekends. I have put myself in quite a pickle here, but I have strong reason to believe Nach is actually town and telling the truth when he says he did not try to do anything..

[jasonT1981]

I am the cop, I investigated Nach at got an innocent.

At the time I was not thinking right (bloody alcohol apple shots) , he could still have attempted RBing Nach without anything happening if Nach doesnt have a PR.

unvote

however It does create alot of WIFOM.

[jasonT1981]

It creates WIFOM with the no night kill. my character is the cousin of Han Solo Thracken Sal Solo. This is why I made the comment on agreeing the game being more than just Jedi vs Sith.. as from what I gather Thracken Sal Solo was not a Jedi.

My character is currently trying to start a civil war with the galactic alliance after he gained control of planet Corellia because he felt undermined by his more famous cousin.

Thats all I can really give you without quoting my PM

[jasonT1981]

Any reasons?

[jasonT1981]

Well I can tell you I am not sum aligned and not evil in this game, I don't know that much about Star Wars, im more a Trek fan, ive seen the movies and that's it... I don't even think my character was in the movies.

[jasonT1981]

meant to say scum

[jasonT1981]

I don't know...

All I know is my investigation on Nach came back innocent.

Almaster interests me as he states he was successful in RBing Nach and there being no kill (this is the WIFOM i talked about), where as I have an innocent on him.

Our night actions both contradict each other majorly unless Nach has a town Power Role and was unable to use it in the night, but he has already stated he didn't do anything and I am willing to believe that given my result which means AlmasterGM is lying.

Question to mod: Is cops sanity an issue in this game?

[jasonT1981]

/Bah!

[jasonT1981]

Hmmm, could AlmasterGM be a mafia roleblocker? no one is looking at it that way? anyone think that could be a possibility?

[jasonT1981]

or Nach... could be a Mafa GF?

[jasonT1981]

Cats just cranky because of MovieStar Madness

[jasonT1981]

Ok, Nachomamma8 who else, apart from me do u suspect as scum?

[jasonT1981]

Hmm... So, you're saying you're third party, right? Well, you say "I'm not scum" rather than "I'm town". I'd prefer to lynch scum, but third party is good too.

No, never once said I was 3rd party so stop twisting my words and making them out to be something I am not.. I was accused of being scum, I said I was not scum.... Anyway Since when is cop a 3rd party role? I am not 3rd party.

Also, why is 3rd party also good for a lynch? the goal is to lynch scum, not 3rd party people anyway? this sounds like a pretty good distraction to secure a non scum lynch. Any reason why you would opt to lynch 3rd party ahead of looking for scum?

MAJOR HOS - Snow Bunny

[jasonT1981]

Also, I thought the claim of cop would have indicated a town aligned claim... I didn't feel the need to expand on that.

[jasonT1981]

I was wondering why people believed Zach's counter-claim but disbelieved Kdub's claim. I mean, it wouldn't be the first time for me scum CC.

So, it's that enough?

It made no sense for Zach to CC on day 1 if he was lying as it would have made Zach auto day2 lynch if Kdub flipped the Luke Skywalker. That was explained to you on day 1.

[jasonT1981]

Well I can tell you I am not sum aligned and not evil in this game, I don't know that much about Star Wars, im more a Trek fan, ive seen the movies and that's it... I don't even think my character was in the movies.

Me and cateraction are neighbors. Your name is mentioned in my role PM; I don't even know how you're alive. Supposedly, me and cateraction teamed up to kill the "evil Thracken Sal-Solo". You're evil in the books, and since Lumiya is evil in the books and Mara was good in the books, I honestly don't see a reason why you should live right now.

Hmmm interesting indeed, however I don't see how 'he was evil in books' means he is evil in game.

I have played games where characters who where evil on show have been good in game, hell in a game I played Ben Linus was town Doc. Zach, you will remember this game I believe as you played it... MWA Battle of the TV Networks.

So, what exactly does your PM state about me exactly?

So, you and Cat teamed up to kill me? interesting... question though, say I do get lynched and flip Cop like said, its going to look very very bad for both you and Cat is it not? since I am mentioned in your role PM as someone you are trying to kill?

[jasonT1981]

Also Cat, can you confirm this? if you are neighbors then you would have gotten the same role PM. Mentioning me, it makes no sense you have not brought this up yourself before now. Especially since you voted me without very much reasoning.

@Mod: vote count please?

[jasonT1981]

Any chance of a bit more detail, you seem to be on my wagon yet never really post anything apart from one liners against me..What eactly does your PM say about me? What is your character called?

[jasonT1981]

Can I just ask to Nachomamma8 and to cateraction that if I am successfully lynched, and I do indeed flip town cop as stated, you do realize that with what you have said about your role PM's where you have teamed up to kill my character (who is cop) and with you both confirming your roles are linked as 'neighbors', that puts you in a prime position to be lynched tomorrow?

[jasonT1981]

No, im not asking you to take it back.. I am just asking if you are aware of how bad you could look if I do indeed flip town cop.

Also, now you are claiming mason? this is different from 'neighbors' that Nach said.. nothing about being Masons before now.

Also, do you not feel that the game can be at mods discretion as to who is who, just because a character is a bad guy in show does not always make him bad guy in game... As I have said, I have played games where Ben Linus was town where as he was the main bad guy in lost. As well as Barney from how I met your mother as mafia also. I submit this game as evidence that bad guys in shows are not always bad in mafia games and vice versa

http://www.mwa-online.net/forums/viewto ... =76&t=5685

[jasonT1981]

Are you asking us to take it back? Of course we understand that claiming mason always has the possibility of being taken as scum, but we're playing the pro-town way and calling you out before you mislead the town with your cop-claim.

Wait, did you guys claim masons, or neighbors?

Nach is claiming neighbor,

Me and cateraction are neighbors

. Your name is mentioned in my role PM; I don't even know how you're alive. Supposedly, me and cateraction teamed up to kill the "evil Thracken Sal-Solo". You're evil in the books, and since Lumiya is evil in the books and Mara was good in the books, I honestly don't see a reason why you should live right now.

while the Cat is claiming Mason

Are you asking us to take it back?

Of course we understand that claiming mason

always has the possibility of being taken as scum, but we're playing the pro-town way and calling you out before you mislead the town with your cop-claim.

One or the other, which is it guys?

[jasonT1981]

Could scum have slipped up, and fucked up their fake claims?

I actually now would like more information on their claims, such as characters and any other information they can provide, to catagoricaly prove I am lying in my claim.

Also, you state that your characters team up to kill my character... This seems very interesting, is it a win condition for you that you must kill my character? seems the way you have worded things that you do have to kill me.. why else would it be mentioned in your PM's?

Me and cateraction are neighbors. Your name is mentioned in my role PM; I don't even know how you're alive. S

upposedly, me and cateraction teamed up to kill the "evil Thracken Sal-Solo".

You're evil in the books, and since Lumiya is evil in the books and Mara was good in the books, I honestly don't see a reason why you should live right now.

[jasonT1981]

I could get behind it fully if it was not for my innocent on him in my investigation. I am pretty torn right now. My main reason I investigated him was my belief from day 1 he was scum.

[jasonT1981]

I suppose if Nach does get lynched and flips scum... then it will help prove Cats alignment.

[jasonT1981]

Hey Snow Bunny, I see you lurking about here.... care to post?

[jasonT1981]

Ah what the hell, lets put some pressure on Snow Bunny the Uber Lurker.

Vote: Snow Bunny

More SB votes please......

[jasonT1981]

I tend to agree that lynching Cat will test Nach's innocence.

unvote
vote:Cat

[jasonT1981]

I tend to agree that lynching Cat will test Nach's innocence.

unvote
vote:Cat

Wait, what? You want to lynch someone so we can test the innocence of someone else (so we can verify that you got an innocent as cop)? Why not just go directly to the source and lynch Nachomamma? That cuts out all the loose ends and complications.

I really don't like the way you're jumping all over the board lately. It seems like you're scrambling to put us on any track that doesn't lead to you or, to a lesser extent, Nachomamma. I still like Nachomamma and you as my top suspects.

Fair enough, it could work either way, but I have already stated

I could get behind it fully if it was not for my innocent on him in my investigation. I am pretty torn right now. My main reason I investigated him was my belief from day 1 he was scum.

Which is why I voted Cat over Nach.

Also, why was it so easy for SB to get your vote off of her Jason?

I wanted her to post, I had seen her all over the boards, and lurking about this game... wanted to get her attention and get her to post by voting her.

[jasonT1981]

... We haven't even gotten clarification on either of their claims.

And regardless of what the clarification is, I still prefer lynching snow_bunny by miles.

That is true, I have asked them to elaborate further on their claims and as to how I am mentioned in their PM

I think the way Nach and Cat reacted was a bit strange, almost as if they where waiting for a claim like that to jump all over, would it not stand to reason that I would be named in their PM also as the person who is in that role..

thats if their characters where or are trying to kill me after all.....

Can you state your case on SB Zach?

[jasonT1981]

@JT-
What is the flavor of Thrackan as a cop?

Why did you choose to investigate NM8?

1) can you elaborate? my role simply stated town cop and then the information I have already provided.

2) I had him as a possible suspect on Day 1. we bickered quite a bit during day 1 also, and I made my suspicions very clear about him

Right now China and Nach are my two top choices for being scum.

I also do not believe this game is as straight forward as Jedi vs Sith.

Vote: China
with a major HOS: Nach

[jasonT1981]

To be honest, I do not see any way out of being lynched for myself. What Kast says is pretty compelling against me and truthfully, I would probably be voting anyone in a similar position to myself right now given different circumstances.

SB makes an interesting point about neighbors being scum/town... in that case, if it is true my innocent on Nach could make Cat guilty... but only if the above is actually the case.

I don't like how Cat, early in day 2 didn't really add anything when voting me, or confirming that what Nach said is true. one liners basically. That is another reason my vote is on him,it seems like he thinks he can get by on what Nach is saying and not be suspicious because of my innocent on Nach. Almost like he thinks he is scott free and now does not have to add much to the game at times.

[jasonT1981]

Any vote puts me at L-1 BTW, and the possibility of a quick lynch.