Mini 881 - Moviestar Madness - Game Over

[populartajo]

Voting for DGB in this game will be considered a scumtell. So, scumbags you are warned.

Vote MordyS Voting DGB is a scum tell. That is all.

Psychologic is town, actually.

This is bizarre btw.

Woohoo, first scum found!

Vote: MordyS

[populartajo]

Did you even ask DGB if she had at least a justification to call Psycho town?

Also, DGB is town.

[populartajo]

Question for both jason and Mordys.

[populartajo]

I'm not

so

sure DGB is town.

It's just that after reading all of her posts in iso, I think she has a very relaxed transparent tone.

What do you think?

[populartajo]

I notice you were pretty quick to jump on the MordyS wagon, populartajo. I say go for it. But I didn't catch exactly why, though?

Your post is a good example of what is the town thing to do when you are facing posts like dgb's or mine.

You ask why. You try to read that person. You are actually trying to understand the motives why that person did what he did. I also as town want to understand why DGB called Psycho town. I know there was a reason (I think I know what it is) but I want DGB to explain first.

As scum, obviously, you dont have the motivation to try to understand the motivation. Your motivation is to try to make people look bad so you can mislynch them.

This is what Mordy posted and tell me what do you think of it.

Vote MordyS Voting DGB is a scum tell. That is all.

Psychologic is town, actually.

This is bizarre btw.

(Tbh, if this is just some social clique thing and everyone likes trading cutsey posts with DG, then I don't know what to think. I might as well ignore everything posted so far, since you're just going to claim it was innocent RVS stuff. I happened to find it scummy that DoS attacks me for voting DG, and then DG claims Psycho is town without any justification, and then cateraction attacks me for voting DG too. There's something bizarre going on there.

Most particularly DG claiming Psycho is town without any justification

.)

Bolded for emphasys.

[populartajo]

I'm been scum many, many times, and been part of a large number of scum teams. I know that no scum in their right mind would bulldoze into the game on what, page 1? the way Psycho did. It's a totally townie action. He doesn't care if he sounds like he's rolefishing or some such on his first or second post. I don't think he's experienced enough to fake it; in fact, I don't believe anyone is.

Yeah, this is the reason I also thought why Psycho was prob town. This also gives DGB more townie points.

There is a Mordys debate in my head right now. Mordys really feels like scum that is annoyed at players getting town reads from each other and that is trying to undermine DGB's love. But sometimes it feels like he is one of those dense townies that ask clarification for everything and just argues because he thinks he is right.

DGB, why do you think Mordys is town?

The game.

FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Agreed with ort's that Iecerints looks bad in the cateraction vote.

FoS: Iecerint.

Also, Iecerint has always been an easy town read after some games with him. After an iso, he is lacking in this game.

My reads on tajo lean town too much, and my reads on you (ortolan) and DoS lean scum too much as well. I take that into consideration, and I need more time to evaluate. That puts you all in the "dodgy" category.

Sometimes I feel that after LAL, something broke between us, DGB.

The Vaya case holds its merits but I would really like some pressure on her to get a better read after some posts. For the record, I've seen her lurking massively as town in the infamous /b/. She only posted to get "gets", zero scumhunting.

Her responses are meh. Not ext protown, not ext antitown. Failure to trying to discern DGB's alignment and motivations for her attacks is something I also noticed but Vaya's responses really want to feel honest. I really think we need more posts and pressure and scumlist to decide her fate.

I like

DGB
ort
milkshake
Psycho

Neutrals or players that deserve more observation :

ckd
cateraction
DoS
jason.
Vaya

I dont like

Mordys
Iecerint

Mod, votecount plz.

[populartajo]

Mordys, who is scum and why?

[populartajo]

I'm going to say you're probably town

Why?

I dont like how you attack people for buddying up to DGB (assuming she is town) but you still think she is a wildcard.

Opinions on Iecerint?

[populartajo]

Posting today.

[populartajo]

Im so going to hate this is no-reveal.

Rereading from page 6.

Okay, I think I'm starting to see dgb's and psycho's points about mordys being prob polemic town.

Right now I am leaning town on MordyS due to her antagonistic attitude. Scum generally tend to want to stay away from arguments and controversy, which is the exact opposite of what MordyS is currently doing.

If we assume Mordys town then ckd and dos get a little exposed for his attacks on page 7. Specially ckd. I don't remember him so agressive in Battle Mafia. Also, these attacks feel designed to make Mordys look bad:

Mordy, Mordy, Mordy......you make a lot of assumptions, you typically do that in mafia games? Havent pegged if your out of gate attacks are scummy or towny yet.......

again, what was my "case" against Iece? Do you typically attack gut votes on Day 3?

Mordy, you still assume a lot. Can you link me to some of your completed games. You are acting like you have never seen joke votes in a RVS stage before. Your points 2-4 are stretchy. Mordy why in your reread of me in reference to DGB and buddying, did you leave out the fact when DGB asked for additional votes on somone , I said I was fine with my vote elsewhere? Did you not include that in your "buddying proof" because it didnt fit your theory or did you just over look it? Seems to me that you are really stretching here....why?

My problem with these posts is that I dont feel ckd is trying to understand Mordys by asking questions. He is subtly trying to make Mordys look bad.

I agree with dgb's conclusions on Mordys. But why isnt she hunting the people attacking him?

Yep, ckd is prob scum.

I've seen town buddy. Yes, theoretically there could be game related reasons that town might buddy -- would you like to explain yours?

you role fishing?

What is the point of asking someone if he is rolefishing? This is a fabricated question to make mordys look bad without having a firm stance. And this gets worse because in the same post ckd calls mordys prob town!

I still get bad vibes from Iecerint. That vote for milkshake in page 8 is terribad.

Ok, I dont get why dgb is clearing ckd. DGB?

Vaya is starting to look bad for the jason case. See people, this is prob scum fabricating a case to make people look bad. If Vaya is scum, jason is town and viceversa.

Some interesting unvotes and votes after Vaya reaches L-1. dgb unvotes, millkshake unvotes and votes jason and iuecerint unvotes and votes cateraction,

Theorizing about a vaya-iecerint link deflecting to a cat wagon.

Post 266. Arg, Vaya is voting cateraction after he called jason obvscum.

Revivers are usually town roles. So jason is prob town after all.

Yep, I cant say I disagree with the cateraction lynch.

Psycho is so town in page 13. Jason also gets townie points for his paranoid post 317.

jason's claim doesn't change anything about him in my eyes, though. A reviver role could just as easily be a scum role as it could be a town role.

why?

In other news, tajo is not giving me the attention I deserve.

this. post. smells. bad.

[populartajo]

Ok. Night results:

curiouskarmadog | Killed Night 1
ortolan | Killed Night 1
DrippingGoofball | Jailed Night 1
Psychologic | Went missing
cateraction | Al Pacino | Lynched Day 1, Sent to the beyond Night 1

I really cant decide which is the scum kill. ckd and ortolan werent seen as townies by the majority. Mmm, ortolan seems a vig kill, so Im leaning ckd is the scumkill. DGB jailed instead of killed is prob due to fear of doc protection. Jailing seems a very feasible scum ability. And I have no idea why Psycho is missing.

And now Iecering is choked. Day action. Probably town action.

So, we are left with:

DragonsofSummer
jasonT1981
milkshake
MordyS
populartajo
Vaya

Neutral about DOS, will need a reread. Jason, milkshake and mordys are slightly town. By poe and by general scumminess day 1, the Vaya wagon shouldnt have dismantled yesterday.

Vote: Vaya.

Psycho and dgb, can you post?

[populartajo]

Im trying to find a benefit to this no reveal thing with some sort of massclaim, to somehow restrict mafia's arsenal of fakeclaims.

Since abilities are kinda related to movie roles (see jason's one for example) I definitely think we all should claim role names and movie names.

With the amount of actions yesterday I think that the amount of information gained from a partial action claim is starting to outweigh the disadvantages of outing power roles. Anyways, your role changes every day.

[populartajo]

You know what?

I think people should claim if they were responsible for any of the following actions:

curiouskarmadog | Killed Night 1
ortolan | Killed Night 1
DrippingGoofball | Jailed Night 1
Psychologic | Went missing
Iecerint | Choked Day 1

[populartajo]

Nice!

Jason investigate Vaya for the win.

Or we could do the long and tedious way.

Vote to investigate : Vaya.

[populartajo]

Guys, just checking, this is a partial massclaim, we should not claim our next actions and our current powers. We should only claim our role name/role movies and what we did yesterday.

Anyways, Ill contribute with claiming Nicholas Cage. I got Face/Off yesterday and could change roles with anyone I wanted. I thought of using this to check Psycho's or jason's claim but I soon realized that it would have been silly since I couldnt find any motivation for them to lie about their original roles (they are prob not indicative of alignment). I also wanted to test my other movies.

[populartajo]

ohhh face off is my favorite movie... But wasn't Cage the bad guy in it?

I will investigate Vaya as long as the majority agrees, this should be a town decision

Agreed.

Also, cage was the good guy in the majority of the fil, iirc. I definitely doubt this is indicative of alignment though. For example, how can you determinate if Scarlett Johanson is a good or a bad character?

[populartajo]

Convinced more than ever that jason/mordys and milkshake are prob town. Reactions to massclaim are good stuff.

[populartajo]

I thought I was unable to post. It seems like I am.

MordyS, sometimes, being jailed protects a player from being dead. I wouldn't jump on the conclusion that whoever jailed me is scum.

I think tajo is scum. The uncharacteristic lurking yesterday, and the crap cases today where he sloppily attributes quotes that I made to Psychologic, and more. It's all very lame, as in a leprosy sufferer with a too short walking stick. THAT lame.

wat?

[populartajo]

I thought I was unable to post. It seems like I am.

MordyS, sometimes, being jailed protects a player from being dead. I wouldn't jump on the conclusion that whoever jailed me is scum.

I think tajo is scum. The uncharacteristic lurking yesterday, and the crap cases today where he sloppily attributes quotes that I made to Psychologic, and more. It's all very lame, as in a leprosy sufferer with a too short walking stick. THAT lame.

wat?

Seriously dgb, I don't get your case at all.

Also, thoughts of massclaim, vaya and an updated scumlist.

[populartajo]

Hm, if populartajo WAS scum, and he was just claiming the scum-role that he got, Nicholas Cage could be a bad guy and that could indicate bad guys were scum...

So if jasonT really does have a day cop ability, he could target populartajo and that would be informative.

why do you think nicholas cage could be a bad guy?

[populartajo]

I dont want to think dgb is stalling her claim. DGB?

I thought I was unable to post. It seems like I am.

MordyS, sometimes, being jailed protects a player from being dead. I wouldn't jump on the conclusion that whoever jailed me is scum.

I think tajo is scum. The uncharacteristic lurking yesterday, and the crap cases today where he sloppily attributes quotes that I made to Psychologic, and more. It's all very lame, as in a leprosy sufferer with a too short walking stick. THAT lame.

wat?

Seriously dgb, I don't get your case at all.

Also, thoughts of massclaim, vaya and an updated scumlist.

[populartajo]

It's not a total massclaim. It's a claim your last action so we can use puzzle logic and POE to probably clear some players and out some unprepared scumbags. It's not like you are the same role from yesterday.

Role name and role movies are prob not indicative of alignment. So Im, all for restricting the arsenal of future fakeclaims.

Also, seriously how is Vaya 100% totally town?

[populartajo]

Tajo was a decent suggestion since he could confirm or reject the bad-guy-in-movies = scum theory. Of course presumably Nicholas cage is a good guy in some of tajo's movies (although oddly, he didn't say his other movies.)

I could swear I did post them.

Here they are: Face/off Con Air The Rock Lord of War

I don't have to share my formula.

I want to know if vaya is ckd confirmed level or just a read.

Speculative. But then again, maybe today is Poptajo's day of being godfatherrific.

Maybe you should start explaining why I am scum, dgb.

BTW, upon further consideration, whoever jailed me is almost certainly town.

Funny, I got to the opposite conclusion. Care to explain this approach?

Scumtajo jumped and asked for a Vaya investigation.

I think he is scum, so yeah, I want an investigation on her.

I'm with DGB on the claiming, it actually seems like scum trying to find out who the most powerful townies are on day 2 so they can get rid of them tonight. Especially with this few "active" players.

You don't even know what you are talking about, right? We ARE NOT claiming our today roles. We ARE claiming what we did yesterday, powers that we dont have anymore today. Scum is free to target the most powerful role that acted yesterday, but they take the risk that today that player has a total different role.

This isnt hard to understand, is it?

vote Populartajo the more I think about it, the worse the claiming idea becomes, and you have made a crap case against Vaya as DGB said.

Why dont you think for yourself one sec and start posting why do you think I have made a crap against Vaya?

[populartajo]

EBWOP

lol, those last two quotes belong to dragon of summer.

mod, fix tags please?

[populartajo]

I have a theory about the number of scum alive at this point. I know Tony is a good mod so with the amount of deads, jailing and missing, I doubt he planned to have all scum alive at the same point besides day 1. These lists could become important near endgame, so remember them posteriorly:

Pretty sure we have 1-2 scum in this list:

DragonsofSummer
jasonT1981
milkshake
MordyS
populartajo
Vaya


And 1-2 scum in the dead/jail/missing list.

DrippingGoofball | Jailed Night 1
curiouskarmadog | Killed Night 1
ortolan | Killed Night 1
Iecerint | Choked to death Day 2
Psychologic | Went missing Night 1

With this partial massclaim, my idea is to know exactly who did what so we can solve this game like a puzzle and use poe to catch unprepared scumbags. For example DGB thinks his jailer is town. I disagree but lets use the example. So, if that player claims, then dgb will have another town read. See how this works?

[populartajo]

Close.

Close what? DGB, stop playing the dense card.

Lurking

I had limited access a big part of day 1 and was terribly busy the last days of day 1. So no.

crap case

tell me why do you think its a crap case.

asking to investigate Vaya, instead of a hard to read experienced player that could do a lot of damage, like, say, DoS, or yourself.

yey, say i want the cop to investigate me so that you can finally have a good reason to call me godfather.

Investigating vaya is a good idea because vaya is an awesome informational flip. DOS is my second choice, fyi.

It has protected me from death. Why, you have a better explanation? Let's hear it.

Mafia Jailkeeper. Remember it doesnt only protect you. It roleblocks you and gives you zero voting. If you are town, dont you think its likely that you were "jailed" instead of "killed" because mafiosos thought you would be protected?

Hey guys! Al Pacino = The Godfather = cateraction = scum?

Hey, this is actually your best post of the day!

Blah blah blah safe claims.

This isnt hard to understand, is it?

Safe claims are not even related to my idea of this partial massclaim. Are you even reading?

With this partial massclaim, my idea is to know exactly who did what so we can solve this game like a puzzle and use poe to catch unprepared scumbags. For example DGB thinks his jailer is town. I disagree but lets use the example. So, if that player claims, then dgb will have another town read. See how this works?

[populartajo]

That isn't okay with me at this point in the game

Why not?

I will tell you I had no night actions yesterday, but I am not prepared to give my role.

Thx for your partial cooperation. Are you saying that you didn't have an action to make or that you decided not to use your action?

[populartajo]

Vote: populartajo, his latest posting just feels bad to me.

gogogo explanation.

DGB: No refutals to my defense? Also you are prob the only one that hasnt claimed what you did last night. Please do so.

[populartajo]

Right, lets just ignore tajo and not even try to find out if he is scum or not. Seriously, am I at l-2 for a reason?

At this moment Im very tempted to investigate dgb just for the potential of clearing ckd and possibly vaya and to end my paranoid feeling about her tricking me and to see if the scum are in the sheepish followers takind advantage of her wacky ways. I see that she hasnt still partial claimed, sigh.

Im also fine with investigating me if you wish. Even though I see no reason why I am the next top choice. Seriously, give me one at least.

[populartajo]

dgb, answer;

why havent you claimed?

why am i scum?

is vaya ckd confirmed or is just a read?

[populartajo]

/keeps being ignored.

hey jason. deadline. tomorrow. yeah. investigate. someone. now.

[populartajo]

when did you stop loving me?

[populartajo]

dgb, you more than anyone that a failed result is at best a null tell, so wtf are you trying to imply here.

I want the reason why you think Vaya is town in the table now. I reread her again and I dont think how you can get a town read on her. Is thats what it is, ofc.

Seriously, dgb, start making sense now or Ill start hunting you. Im dead serious.


In case you all people decide to be mindless sheeps, then Ill give you a list to hunt for tomorrow. Because yey, surprise, Im town.

Town (dont ever lynch these guys, people trying to lynch them tomorrow are prob scum):

psycho
jason
milkshake
mordys

the dgbs (come clean about this, i doubt you can have two confirmed town players in day 2

dgb
ckd
vaya

Neutral (need to post moar and die less)

ort

scum lynch lynch lynch

dos
iecerint


Pending dgb confirmation Ill decide my vote between vaya and dos. Its her choice.

[populartajo]

I really dont know what to make of the last post.

Usual V/LA until Monday. Party all the weekend.

Will prob check tomorrow.

[populartajo]

I have this insane feelign dgb is playing me but Im going to trust this secret town tell she has from me. If she really wanted me lynched, I dont think she would have come up with a sudden "oh maybe tajo is town after all".

I still dont understand her vaya love and I definitely think there is no a valid reason in thread to think she is but i guess its omething that we'll be answered sooner or later.

Unvote Vote: Dragon of Summer.

Not the effort in defense I would expect for someone with a powerful town role. Also softclaiming powerful town role when only dgb was the one asking for his kill and vaya and me are the "only" choices. Overreaction ftlose and it has happened to me as scum when I feel threatened by someone who is very vocal. Happened in Lynch all Lurkers.

[populartajo]

Town (dont ever lynch these guys, people trying to lynch them tomorrow are prob scum):
psycho
jason
milkshake
mordys

"Town": also known as every single scum left

heheheh.

yeah, I guess I should have sticked with my mordys initial case, i dont remember who convinced me of him being town. Psycho and milkshake did a good job in looking townies, tbh.

This was a god game, the movie choices were awesome and the way people died, revived and disappeared was amazing. I appreciate the effort you put in this game and consider me pre-in in all the games you run from this on. I really think you should stay away from no reveal though.

Good game all.

[populartajo]

also, shame dgb was jailed, I really wanted her to use my gun.